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.454 casull Rifle

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Tuesday, May 17, 2011 6:09 AM

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Hello,

Does anyone have any experience with the .454 casull fired from a long-arm? I noticed a couple rifles on the market chambered for this round, and I also noticed this on the way from Taurus:

http://www.taurususa.com/product-details.cfm?id=701&category=Revolver&
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Which offers the versatility of three types of ammunition.

I rather enjoy having handguns and rifles/carbines in the same caliber, but wondered if the .454 is worth anything in the 100-200 yard range.

Thanks,

--Anthony

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Tuesday, May 17, 2011 7:42 AM

HARDWARE

I have no personal experience with the .454 Casull. However, .44 magnums out of a longarm are supposed to be respectable, even up to battle carbine ballistics out to 300 yards.

The 3 calibers they are talking about, if you didn't know, are .454 Casull, .45 Long Colt and .410 shotgun. All share the same chamber diameter and rim dimensions, the only difference being length. Casull is the longest and the stoutest, so with a Casull chambered weapon you can also load and fire the other two.

Check the manufacturer's site for the ammunition. The velocities stated are almost always out of test barrels that are longer than 16 inches. But don't forget to look at bullet drop, which is not a function of speed or bullet weight but distance over time.

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Tuesday, May 17, 2011 10:17 AM

GEEZER

Keep the Shiny side up

Looking at some other forums, most folk like the .454 rifles out to 200yds or so. After that, the trajectory gets kind'a howitzer-like and you need a ladder sight or some such. The ammo is also pretty expensive, at $1.50 to $4.00 a round. Something to consider if you don't reload.

Couldn't find anything on the accuracy of the Taurus, but I'd suspect with that long cylinder to fit the .410 shotgun round, the .454 and .45 bullets would rattle around in the chamber quite a bit before getting to the rifling, and that's no recipe for accuracy.

"Keep the Shiny side up"

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Tuesday, May 17, 2011 4:16 PM

KWICKO

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I like the idea of having multiple weapons that share calibers, but I'm not convinced that having one weapon that shares multiple calibers has ever really worked out terribly well. Seems every time I hear of it, it turns out to have more drawbacks than pluses.

I've avoided picking up a 9mm carbine/rifle, just because the only one I can find that interests me at all is the Ruger PC9, and it would really only be useful in that it uses the same mags as some of my P85 handguns. Sorry, but that's just not a big enough selling point for me to go looking for one...

So instead of using one gun for lots of ammo, I use lots of guns that use the same ammo.

I'm not sure which is the more "sane" decision, but my way works for me.

"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservatives." - John Stuart Mill

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Tuesday, May 17, 2011 5:35 PM

HARDWARE

I've got the Kel Tec 2000 carbine that takes the same mags as my Glock 17. Not terrible on accuracy and the longer barrel gets them up to .357 magnum velocities. Plus, it folds in half for storage.

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Tuesday, May 17, 2011 8:26 PM

ANTHONYT

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Quote:
Originally posted by Kwicko:
I like the idea of having multiple weapons that share calibers, but I'm not convinced that having one weapon that shares multiple calibers has ever really worked out terribly well. Seems every time I hear of it, it turns out to have more drawbacks than pluses.

I've avoided picking up a 9mm carbine/rifle, just because the only one I can find that interests me at all is the Ruger PC9, and it would really only be useful in that it uses the same mags as some of my P85 handguns. Sorry, but that's just not a big enough selling point for me to go looking for one...

So instead of using one gun for lots of ammo, I use lots of guns that use the same ammo.

I'm not sure which is the more "sane" decision, but my way works for me.

"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservatives." - John Stuart Mill

Hello,

Whatever works for you is always the right choice.

I have a long romance with the .357 magnum, and enjoy the ability to use the cheaper .38 special for target practice.

Versatility enthralls me, but it's not for everyone. Many people find one singular favorite caliber and use it for everything.

I do like to have a long-arm and handgun in the same caliber, and so I've been thinking about the best possible combo for the future.

Knowing me, I'll think on this for three months and wind up buying an old-fashioned .357 lever-action carbine.

--Anthony

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“If you are not free to choose wrongly and irresponsibly, you are not free at all”

Jacob Hornberger

“Freedom is not worth having if it does not connote freedom to err. It passes my comprehension how human beings, be they ever so experienced and able, can delight in depriving other human beings of that precious right.”

Mahatma Gandhi

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Wednesday, May 18, 2011 1:33 AM

KWICKO

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Knowing me, I'll think on this for three months and wind up buying an old-fashioned .357 lever-action carbine.

Sounds like me!

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Wednesday, May 18, 2011 5:24 AM

ANTHONYT

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Hello,

Thanks to all who lent their expertise to this thread.

--Anthony

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“If you are not free to choose wrongly and irresponsibly, you are not free at all”

Jacob Hornberger

“Freedom is not worth having if it does not connote freedom to err. It passes my comprehension how human beings, be they ever so experienced and able, can delight in depriving other human beings of that precious right.”

Mahatma Gandhi

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Friday, May 27, 2011 9:40 PM

MOOSE

Quote:
Originally posted by Kwicko:
I've avoided picking up a 9mm carbine/rifle, just because the only one I can find that interests me at all is the Ruger PC9...

I've had a PC9 for over 10yrs and love it.
It's a great carbine, but for the $$ they're going for nowadays, it ain't worth it.

Quote:
Originally posted by Hardware:
I've got the Kel Tec 2000 carbine that takes the same mags as my Glock 17. Not terrible on accuracy and the longer barrel gets them up to .357 magnum velocities. Plus, it folds in half for storage.

I have the Beretta 92 version and it is a pretty handy carbine, almost too small for my bigass frame. And if you think 9mm outta a carbine is hot, just think what a .357mag will do...

Quote:
Originally posted by Kwicko:
Quote:
Knowing me, I'll think on this for three months and wind up buying an old-fashioned .357 lever-action carbine.

Sounds like me!

And me!

I have a number of pistol caliber carbines, but the only one that ALWAYS goes with me when I go to the range is my M92 Rossi .357mag. It pretty much has supplanted my cherished Ruger 10/22 as my "fun gun".

And if you use the right loadings, the .357mag out of a carbine length barrel is very potent.

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Saturday, May 28, 2011 7:08 AM

FREMDFIRMA

Well, I'd skip the .454C and just right to the classic Marlin lever action 45-70 Gov, it's quite effective and can be had on a budget.

Got to play with a not-yet-in-production model of a submachinegun some south american company is working on recently - it's not much bigger than a large frame pistol, but uses a fifty round drum and some kind of buffer system to suppress recoil and hold down the rate of fire to make it controllable.
Not sure what their market for it is, but I do hope they get it in production cause it's comparitively unbeatable for house-to-house type work.

-F

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