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Britain's coldest Xmas in history caused by Global Warming

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Sunday, December 26, 2010 9:35 AM

PIRATENEWS

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Frozen rivers: Green English winters replaced with Ice Age

It's chillier than Lapland: Minus 18C makes it our coldest Christmas Day EVER
www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1341610/Coldest-Christmas-Temperature
s-hit-minus-18C.html


The green hijack of the Met Office is crippling Britain
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/columnists/christopherbooker/822316
5/The-green-hijack-of-the-Met-Office-is-crippling-Britain.html



Loch Ness monster frozen in Scotland


Shakespeare shudders in his grave: -17 C = zero F at Stratford Upon Avon


English rivers frozen solid in York


Heathrow Airport turned off heat to 100,000 passengers stranded on Xmas by 2 feet of snow

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Sunday, December 26, 2010 9:51 AM

WHOZIT


Al Gore likes to have sex with Hookers.

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Sunday, December 26, 2010 10:00 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


What's amusing is that you just MADE exactly the argument FOR "global warming", which is actually "climate change" and which ACTUALLY heralds unusually severe weather and weather in places where it doesn't normally happen. A rise in GLOBAL temperatures shifts climate change, doesn't mean just "extra warm".
Quote:

It is predicted that future climate changes will include further global warming (i.e., an upward trend in global mean temperature), sea level rise, and a probable increase in the frequency of some extreme weather events.
Wikipedia
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Melting ice caps will throw the global ecosystem out of balance. The ice caps are fresh water, and when they melt they will desalinate the ocean. The desalinization of the gulf current will "screw up" ocean currents, which regulate temperatures. The stream shutdown or irregularity would cool the area around north-east America and Western Europe.
http://www.environmentalgraffiti.com/sciencetech/5-deadliest-effects-o
f-global-warming/276


Gee, and we haven't seen unusually high snowfall and extreme weather in Northeast America, either, have we?
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Some impacts from increasing temperatures are already happening:

•Precipitation (rain and snowfall) has increased across the globe, on average.

Other effects could happen later this century, if warming continues:

•Hurricanes and other storms are likely to become stronger.

(Excerpt: http://environment.nationalgeographic.com/environment/global-warming/g
w-effects.html
)
Quote:

Extreme Weather Events

We are now witnessing on a more regular basis are consequences of increasing global temperatures.

There are many extreme weather events that may be attributed to global warming:

Extreme winter cold and snow fall
•Extreme storms

Extreme weather events in general are projected to increase as a result of global warming.

(Excerpt: http://www.tropical-rainforest-animals.com/Global-Warming-Effects.html )

I could go on forever, but you idjits are just so desperate to believe that "global warming" should only bring about extra HEAT that it's useless to try and get you to look at reality. Snark and rationalize away; it makes no difference in what will actually happen, but by the time you wake up (if you ever DO and don't keep rationalizing to suit your desperation), it'll be too late. Hopefully I'll be gone before then.


Hippie Operative Nikovich Nikita Nicovna Talibani,
Contracted Agent of Veritas Oilspillus, code name “Nike”,
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Sunday, December 26, 2010 10:20 AM

PHOENIXROSE

You think you know--what's to come, what you are. You haven't even begun.


Thanks for making the "climate change" argument, Niki. I was going to do that if no one else had.

I was also going to point out that, here in Colorado, I'm walking around in short sleeves. It's almost 50 degrees out there. (That's 10 degrees to our friends over there in Britain.) It was nearly that warm yesterday. It's rained here this month. Not to mention that, earlier this month, scorpions were discovered in Rocky Mountain National Park. Scorpions. Little desert creatures. In the mountains of Colorado. In December. You might have to live here to comprehend just how disturbing that is, but if you know a thing about this state that should be disturbing enough.
So. It's not cold everywhere.


I do not need the written code of a spiritual belief to act like a decent human being

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Sunday, December 26, 2010 10:25 AM

WHOZIT


From "Global Warming" to "Climate Change", you libs have no shame....and your icky.

Al Gore likes to fuck Hookers.

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Sunday, December 26, 2010 10:35 AM

CANTTAKESKY


Quote:

Originally posted by Niki2:
.... which is actually "climate change" ...

Yes, yes, climate change. That is the theory where:

1. If it is really cold, it is because of CO2.
2. If it is really hot, it is because of CO2.
3. If it is somewhere in between, it is because of CO2.

There is simply no way to prove it isn't because of CO2, is there? Is "climate change" falsifiable at all?

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Sunday, December 26, 2010 10:42 AM

PHOENIXROSE

You think you know--what's to come, what you are. You haven't even begun.


Actually, if I understand much of what I've heard, it's the theory where if it's really warm it's because of C02, and if it's really cold it's because the ice caps are melting. The heat melts the ice caps, the released cold spreads, and the collision causes severe weather patterns all over the world. There's nothing about moderate weather in there at all, it's all about severe weather, unusual weather, that sort of thing. It's fairly easy to check all those historical record thingies and see if the weather is doing something rather unusual. Record lows. Record highs. If you haven't been hearing a whole lot about those wherever you're living, you're fortunate.


I do not need the written code of a spiritual belief to act like a decent human being

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Sunday, December 26, 2010 10:51 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


No, CTTS dear:

1. If it is EXTREMELY cold where it SHOULDN'T be...
2. If it is EXTREMELY hot where it SHOULDN'T be...

The words are "extreme" and "unusual". Can you grasp the concept? Probably not. Or, no, wait, it's that you guys don't WANT to, I know, it might mean we should change something...like our too-comfortable lifestyles...

While Jo was here they had heat spells like never before back in England. They're not prepared for that, their houses aren't built for heat, and her mom suffered a lot, given she's in poor health. Felt awfully sorry for her; the only good thing was, being here in CA, Jo was able to give her ll kinds of tips for minimizing the heat.

Jezus, Rose, that's truly wild! Colorado should be steeped in snow about now, shouldn't it?? And scorpions, my gawd, they must be going nuts...they're warm-weather beasties and hibernate, don't they? Poor confused babies!

We'll get a heat spell in January, but that's normal for us...sometimes we get up into the 80s for a week or so, always have.

The only difference this year was that my beloved "Pineapple Expresses" went South to LA and we got cold, northern storms. Those are storms that come up from the tropics, they bring heavy rain that goes on forever and warm temps. Bah. I wait eagerly for the Pineapple Expresses, which even bring the occasional (joy of joys)LIGHTNING! We rarely get lightning here in Marin, it goes out across the Bay. We did get ONE P.E., which brought three whole lightning strikes and thunder booms. I was in heaven.

But the rest of them went South, which means L.A. is suffering greatly. With their annual fires, which destroy the undergrowth, and their over-development, they suffer awful mudslides and flooding when the P.E.s head South. I pity them, more than I'm envious, but admittedly, only slightly. I WANT MORE RAIN!


Hippie Operative Nikovich Nikita Nicovna Talibani,
Contracted Agent of Veritas Oilspillus, code name “Nike”,
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Sunday, December 26, 2010 11:09 AM

PHOENIXROSE

You think you know--what's to come, what you are. You haven't even begun.


It's usually steeped in snow, yes. Or if not steeped in snow (this being a rather arid region, we don't always get the precipitation) then at least below freezing. I'm actually enjoying the warmth, as I'm not a huge fan of cold, but it's still unsettling. I've lived here all my life, and never have I been able to walk around without a jacket in the winter. Hell, I always had to plan my Halloween costumes to be nice and warm, because it usually dropped below freezing by then. This year it was a balmy 70 degrees on Halloween. I didn't know what to make of that, let alone the current weather. I got a new down coat for my birthday, which was the first day of winter, and I've only worn it once. Didn't even need to zip it up, I think it was about 35 out that day.

I have no idea if scorpions hibernate. Since they usually live in hot southern climates, I don't know if it ever gets cold enough for them to be hibernators. I think they just hang out in the hot desert regions. I mean, this is technically a sort of desert region, but not a hot one. We're not even supposed to have scorpions, let alone in December. I mentioned that it was in the mountains, right? You know, the ones that have ski resorts that generally open by September? The ones that go from Winter to July and back again? Yeah. It's disturbing. Again, I stress that I don't like being cold. I should be loving the weather, and sort of am, but it is just weird.


I do not need the written code of a spiritual belief to act like a decent human being

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Sunday, December 26, 2010 11:12 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Ooops, thanx Rose--I was typing while you posted. I believe that's mostly right; I'm not that well versed on it. I've always remembered the "extreme" and "unusual" and heavier-than-normal heat and cold, so I always grimace when the global-warming deniers try to point to heavy cold as not global warming. Uneducated only works for so long; denial in the face of facts becomes deliberate stupidity. Sigh...

Another point, just for the hell of it and those who are actually interested in LEARNING (you can tune out now, Kane, PN, Whozit...):
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As an example, the government of the Maldives - an archipelago of almost 1,200 coral islands located in the Indian Ocean with most islands lying just 1.5 meters above the sea level - is considering a purchase of land elsewhere in the world for a complete relocation of this nation, because of the fear that these islands will be totally flooded by rising sea levels.
http://www.tropical-rainforest-animals.com/Global-Warming-Effects.html
Quote:

The planet is warming, from North Pole to South Pole, and everywhere in between. Globally, the mercury is already up more than 1 degree Fahrenheit (0.8 degree Celsius), and even more in sensitive polar regions. And the effects of rising temperatures aren’t waiting for some far-flung future. They’re happening right now. Signs are appearing all over, and some of them are surprising. The heat is not only melting glaciers and sea ice, it’s also shifting precipitation patterns and setting animals on the move.

•Ice is melting worldwide, especially at the Earth’s poles. This includes mountain glaciers, ice sheets covering West Antarctica and Greenland, and Arctic sea ice.
•Researcher Bill Fraser has tracked the decline of the Adélie penguins on Antarctica, where their numbers have fallen from 32,000 breeding pairs to 11,000 in 30 years.
•Sea level rise became faster over the last century.
•Some butterflies, foxes, and alpine plants have moved farther north or to higher, cooler areas.
•Spruce bark beetles have boomed in Alaska thanks to 20 years of warm summers. The insects have chewed up 4 million acres of spruce trees.

http://www.tropical-rainforest-animals.com/Global-Warming-Effects.html bears have become “poster children” for the melting of Arctic ice due to climate change.

Melting ice reduces the ability of polar bears to find enough food as they prefer to use ice as a platform to hunt for prey.

We are starting to witness:

•Earlier leaf production by trees
•Earlier greening of vegetation
•Changed timing of egg-laying and hatching
•Changes in migration patterns of birds, fish and other animals
•Reductions and re-distributions in populations of algae and plankton; this threatens the existence of fish and other animals that rely on algae and plankton for food

http://www.tropical-rainforest-animals.com/Global-Warming-Effects.html
Quote:

How are polar bears being impacted by global warming?

•Population sizes decreasing
•Sea ice platforms moving farther apart and swimming conditions more dangerous
•Fewer hunting opportunities and increased scarcity of food

Rapid Arctic ice melting in 2007:

•Caused a record low for the surface area of summer sea ice in the Arctic Ocean, nearly 23 percent below the previous record low in 2005.
•Melted an additional area equivalent to the size of Alaska and Texas, combined (compared to average sea ice conditions).
•Exceeded the projections of most climate-ice models. Based on the rapid melt, one NASA scientist projected summer ice could be essentially gone as early as 2012.

In southern portions of their range, like Hudson Bay, Canada, there is no sea ice during the summer, and the polar bears must live on land until the Bay freezes in the fall, whereupon they can again hunt on the ice. While on land during the summer, these bears eat little or nothing.

In just 20 years the ice-free period in Hudson Bay has increased by an average of 20 days, cutting short polar bears' seal hunting season by nearly three weeks. The ice is freezing later in the fall, but it is the earlier spring ice melt that is especially difficult for the bears. They have a narrower timeframe in which to hunt during the critical season when seal pups are born. As a result, average bear weight has dropped by 15 percent, causing reproduction rates to decline. The Hudson Bay population is down more than 20 percent.

Polar bears are going hungry for longer periods of time, resulting in cannibalistic behavior. Although it has long been known polar bears will kill for dominance or kill cubs so they can breed with the female, outright predation for food was previously unobserved by biologists.

The polar bear is the proverbial "canary in the coal mine" of the serious threat global warming poses to wildlife species around the world

http://www.nwf.org/Global-Warming/Effects-on-Wildlife-and-Habitat/Pola
r-Bears.aspx


"...serious threat global warming poses to wildlife species around the world"...including us, by the way. Some awful things will start happening to the human population as this continues, but again, hopefully it won't happen fast enough for me to have to see it.

Disbelieve and deliberate denial of the potential for global warming is a political ploy, and gee, just look how well it's working on the sheeples, sadly...


Hippie Operative Nikovich Nikita Nicovna Talibani,
Contracted Agent of Veritas Oilspillus, code name “Nike”,
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Sunday, December 26, 2010 11:23 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


We're cross-posting again (hee, hee, hee). Which is neat; I rarely if ever get to "talk" to you.

Yes, scorpions hibernate: In snowy areas, they hibernate during the cold months of the year. In drought areas they may "aestivate" (pass the summer in a dormant or torpid state). Do you have the really bad ones, or just the stingers?

We were lucky in Afghanistan...despite having so many various deadly insects, we had the big yellow scorpions, about like a bee sting. My dad got stung three times while sleeping once, the scorpion was under the covers, and as he kept moving around, he ran into it three times. Eep!

Yeah, you guys are "high desert", I know. Some of Idaho and Nevada are, too, and where Paula built her house upon retirement as well. It's just the Eastern edge of the Sierras, so they get "dustings" and only real snow at certain times of the year. Enough for her to cross-country and run with her huskies, so she's happy. But when we drove to Idaho to see Jim's parents long ago, we used to pass through high desert. It's neat (but I wouldn't want to live there, thank you!).

Didn't button up at 35, eh? Eeep...we wouldn't want to go OUT at that temperature...hell, none of the three of us want to right NOW, and our daytime temps are almost invariable in the 50s. It gets down to freezing maybe three-four times a year, and I actually have to use my heated throws (terribly inconvenient!) in the Outback. Rest of the time quilt(s) are enough. That's one of the things I bless about living here...my Outback, which would be impossible in many parts of the country/world! I ADORE going to bed and listening to the wind and rain of a good storm.

What the hell, kiddo, you might as well enjoy the balmy weather. Nothin' we can do about it anyway, and you'll probably get more (OR humongous snowstorms!) in future.


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Sunday, December 26, 2010 11:38 AM

PHOENIXROSE

You think you know--what's to come, what you are. You haven't even begun.


Big fluffy down coat in 35 degree weather? Nah, don't need to button it up unless it's windy. The wind is always what'll get ya. Though to be fair, I was born and raised here. I'm a wimp by Colorado standards, but I probably have a higher tolerance for cold than a lot of people. My brother was born in Oregon and now lives out there in L.A. and he was complaining about the weather out here when it was about 60. I made so much fun of him. I have thought that it would be nice to live in California's climate, though. When I'm all wealthy and successful and can afford to move, perhaps.

I don't think the scorpions found here were nasty ones. Don't know much about the critters, since they're not native to the area, and I find them too creepy to read about in my free time. They said they were "common striped bark scorpions." Whatever they are, they shouldn't be here.
Armadillos are being spotted further north every year, as well. They're not as creepy as scorpions, but they still shouldn't be happy in northern climes.

Now, what is this Outback you're referring to? I assume it's not the Subaru Outback, and I know it's not the Australian Outback.


I do not need the written code of a spiritual belief to act like a decent human being

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Sunday, December 26, 2010 12:25 PM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Ahhh, these guys:

They're the most common scorpion in America (some say) and their sting is pretty much like a bee...can be painful for a couple of days but usually passes in a few hours.

We had so many kinds in Afghanistan, I don't know which was which. Some were very venomous, so I should have said IN KABUL we only encountered the big yellow guys. I won't disgust you by putting up a picture ;o).

What a I call my "Outback"--and it IS named after the Aussie outback, since that's what it MEANS--is where I sleep. It's a pavillion-like thingy (they sell them for Summer use, canvas-topped with metal frame) with a bed and table inside. I slept ouside one hot night 8 or 9 years ago, and adored it, so I built my own with plastic sheeting and wood. It was pretty screwey, and Jim and Jo would laugh at me as I wrestled with it in wind storms, but it was just too wonderful to let the storms win! A few years ago Jim bought me one of the "real" ones, about 10' by 10' and I put clear plastic sheeting on it for winter. It has a secondary "bed" alongside mine, for the huskies (who adore it out there and spend a lot of daytime out there)...trouble is they prefer my bed, so it gets kinda cramped!

I've only slept indoors a couple of times since that first night...when my last dog was too sick, tho' she'd still hobble up and go out there if I didn't block off the doorway. Otherwise, I'll be heading out there until I'm too old to wobble...I've even slept out there when I'm sick, I love it so much.

The fresh air, cold fresh air in Winter, less stuffy temps than indoors on hot summer nights; the sounds of the crickets (and the tiny waterfall right next to it in the pond I built); rain on the roof, wind, owls at night up in the redwoods (it's RIGHT next to the redwood canopy of our tiny redwood "grove"), I wouldn't give it up for the world.

I haven't taken photos in years, but here's a couple:


The outside, as seen from the house


The inside, several years ago when I still had Punkin, my "outside" bunny


My double bed (it sticks out about three feet from the edge of the canvas top, so I can see the moon and the stars


The pond I built right next to the Outback...the white fence is where the Outback starts. The steps you see go to Jim's hot tub, the next level up under the redwoods. We got it pretty "whipped" in many ways!

That's my Outback, to answer your question. ;o)

By the way, I really like your signature...pretty much says how I feel; I'm buddhist partly because the concept is we don't need a "god", if we learn self-awareness and AWARENESS, we can KNOW how "to act like a decent human being without outside influences. We don't have a "written code", only parables, the life of Buddha and what he learned, and our own sense of responsibility to being true to ourselves. Much like what you wrote.


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Contracted Agent of Veritas Oilspillus, code name “Nike”,
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Sunday, December 26, 2010 12:40 PM

PHOENIXROSE

You think you know--what's to come, what you are. You haven't even begun.


Ah, thanks very much. There's no way you'd get away with that setup here, even with the above-average winter. It definitely freezes at night.

I actually can't take all the credit for my signature. I agree with it 100% of course, but it comes from a character in the Dresden Files. Probably one of my favorite characters in a series that I adore; an Agnostic Knight of the Cross. Yeah. He's a soldier of God who doesn't adhere to any religious code. He actually starts off saying he's an Atheist, and amends it to Agnostic after a couple philosophical exchanges. He's awesome.


I do not need the written code of a spiritual belief to act like a decent human being

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Sunday, December 26, 2010 1:59 PM

CANTTAKESKY


Quote:

Originally posted by PhoenixRose:
There's nothing about moderate weather in there at all, it's all about severe weather, unusual weather, that sort of thing.

Fair enough.

Does this mean, though, that when we have average, moderate weather, CO2 is NOT to blame? I don't think that is what it means.

How much average, moderate weather do we have vs. extreme and unusual weather? Let's say we have 95% normal weather and 5% extreme/unusual weather. Then next year, we have 90% normal weather and 10% extreme/unusual weather. The way that is interpreted is, "Look! CO2 is causing more extreme unusual weather!" It isn't interpreted as "Look! Most of the time, CO2 isn't doing anything at all!"

Normal weather is seen mostly as the background noise, insignificant baseline data. Lack of extreme and unusual weather doesn't do anything to falsify the GW/CC theory.

I am concerned, because science is all about falsifiability. Religion is all about finding confirmation of one's beliefs, no matter what happens.

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Sunday, December 26, 2010 2:04 PM

PIRATENEWS

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Another Ice Age: Since the 1940s the global temperature has dropped 2.7° F
http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,944914,00.html

BRITAIN’S winter is the coldest since 1683 and close to being the chilliest in nearly 1,000 years.
http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/view/169577/Winter-may-be-coldest-in-1
000-years
/

Snow in the desert: Now the U.S. West Coast is hit by storms as blizzards, hurricane-strength winds and heavy rain shut roads and cut power
www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1343007/The-weather-Its-prickly-subje
ct-Now-U-S-West-Coast-hit-snow-storms-heavy-rain.html



The Sun...it's that giant fiery ball in the sky. But that isn't important right now?


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Sunday, December 26, 2010 3:17 PM

HERO


Quote:

Originally posted by Niki2:
What's amusing is that you just MADE exactly the argument FOR "global warming", which is actually "climate change" and which ACTUALLY heralds unusually severe weather and weather in places where it doesn't normally happen. A rise in GLOBAL temperatures shifts climate change, doesn't mean just "extra warm".


That argument was invented after 2000 to explain why Global Warming is not actually happening.

In truth Global Warming aka Climate Change has been around throughout human history. Ancient man would make up stories to explain rain, drought, snow, thunder, the sun, then moon, etc. Global warming is your God, invented to explain nature...

When you build your temple remember Global Warming likes marble and gold and the blood of chickens.

As I've noted before...sometimes it snows, sometimes it don't, sometimes it rains, sometimes it don't, sometimes its warm, sometimes it ain't, and its all cyclical.

H

"Hero. I have come to respect you." "I am forced to agree with Hero here."- Chrisisall, 2009.
"I would rather not ignore your contributions." Niki2, 2010.

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Sunday, December 26, 2010 7:27 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by Hero:

When you build your temple remember Global Warming likes marble and gold and the blood of chickens.




Remember to crucify a few folks, too. Especially the ones claiming to be god. Deicide is always good for a laugh.

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Monday, December 27, 2010 7:44 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


CTTS: Did you ever consider that scientists started finding abnormalities and searched for the cause, and that’s how they found global warming? I don’t know that much about it’s beginnings, but I think that JUST might be a possibility, given how scientists work. I don’t think they started out “Hey, there’s too much CO2 in the air, it must be fucking up SOMETHING...let’s find out what”.

Well, I’m wrong, apparently:
Quote:

The global warming hypothesis originated in 1896 when Svante Arrhenius, a Swedish chemist, developed the theory that carbon dioxide emissions from the burning of fossil fuels would cause global temperatures to rise by trapping excess heat in the earth’s atmosphere.

In 1988, the United Nations Environment Program and the World Meteorological Organization established the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC), comprising more than two thousand scientists responsible for studying global warming’s potential impact on climate. According to the IPCC, the atmospheric concentration of carbon dioxide has increased by 31 percent, methane by 151 percent, and nitrous oxide by 17 percent since 1750. Over the twentieth century, the IPCC believes that global temperatures increased close to 0.5 degree Centigrade (C), the largest increase of any century during the past one thousand years. The 1990s, according to IPCC data, was the warmest decade recorded in the Northern Hemisphere since records were first taken in 1861, with 1998 the warmest year ever recorded.

Excerpts from http://www.enotes.com/global-warming-article/

I’m not 100% sold on global warming, given the earth’s climate has changed dramatically over millions of years. Let’s say I believe it more than I disbelieve it, given evidence and, to me, common sense. Since we’ve affected the oceans so much—-the next biggest thing I can think of to the air---I find it not impossible we may be changing the air in more ways than just what's visible. Only time will tell. I also put some “faith” in man’s ability to deny his rffects on the world until they become impossible to deny, and given commerce, politics, governments and regular people are loathe to change from fossil fuels, that increases my belief that any scientific facts would make us seek other options, unless we were faced with something too obvious to ignore. By the time that happens, I think it would be too late. But that’s just my opinion.

I don’t want to get into a heavy discussion on global warming, there’s far too much pro and con, so it could go on forever...and we’ve done it already.

As to moderate vs. extreme weather, I can’t find anything. All I CAN find is that weather has become more extreme faster over time, with heat records broken enormously in recent times:


Quote:

A year of deadly record-smashing weather extremes from Nashville to Moscow, from the Amazon to Pakistan, ended with staggering deluges from California — “Rainfall records weren’t just broken, they were obliterated” — to Australia:

More than a year's rain fell in Carnarvon in just 24 hours this week. A monsoonal low hovering over the Gascoyne dumped a 24-hour record 204.8mm, smashing the previous record of 119.4mm set on March 24, 1923.

NASA reported that it was the hottest ‘meteorological year’ [December to November] on record and likely to be the hottest calendar year.

Meteorologist and former NOAA Hurricane hunter Dr. Jeff Masters reported, “The year 2010 now has the most national extreme heat records for a single year–-nineteen. These nations comprise 20% of the total land area of Earth. This is the largest area of Earth’s surface to experience all-time record high temperatures in any single year in the historical record.”

http://climateprogress.org/category/extreme-weather/

Certainly cyclical climate change has happened throughout history, long before us. Maybe it is just cyclic, but I don’t think anyone sees global warming as their “god”, and there’s a huge difference between mythology used to explain unusual events and scientific data observed over time. And yes, scientists can certainly be wrong; those considered “scientists” throughout history have also been witch doctors, etc. Maybe as time goes on, we'll find other answers.

As far as this question goes, I believe everyone has to make up their own mind. I’m more on one side of the fence than the other, but I’m still straddling it. I don’t see dismissing global warming out of hand as easy as many do. I do see “climate change” happening, and if it continues to happen, it will have a dramatic effect on our lives, and I think that’s worth paying attention to, whether caused by global warming or something else.

My main objection is to those who say “Hey, it snowed extra heavily in Southern climates”, “It froze hugely where it doesn’t usually”, etc., etc., as DISproving global warming to be ignorant of the concept. Extreme, unusual weather can be an indication of global warming every bit as much as it can’t.

By the way, Tahoe ski resorts have experienced snow totalling more than 200% of normal snowfall usual for this time of year, and some have 75% of the normal annual rainfall (and it's only January).

Mike, your crack is as irrelevant a snark as those made by PN and his buddies. Just sayin'.


Hippie Operative Nikovich Nikita Nicovna Talibani,
Contracted Agent of Veritas Oilspillus, code name “Nike”,
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Monday, December 27, 2010 7:59 AM

OLDENGLANDDRY


Britains coldest winter in history?
No,
1963 was worse and 1947 was worse than that, the difference is that "global warming" had'nt been invented (yes, I mean invented) and people (far fewer anyway) were'nt traveling by air. So apart from the inconvenience caused to those trying to get out of the country for Christmas, most of us over here are saying a big "Meh".
A far bigger problem is the hiking of fuel bills by the Gas and petrol corporations, but thats another story.

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Friday, December 31, 2010 2:57 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by Niki2:




Record Highest Temperatures by State [none are recent]

State Temp. °F Temp. °C Date Station Elevation in feet
Alabama 112 44 Sept. 5, 1925 Centerville 345
Alaska 100 38 June 27, 1915 Fort Yukon est. 420
Arizona 128 53 June 29, 1994 Lake Havasu City 505
Arkansas 120 49 Aug. 10, 1936 Ozark 396
California 134 57 July 10, 1913 Greenland Ranch -178
Colorado 118 48 July 11, 1888 Bennett 5,484
Connecticut 106 41 July 15, 1995 Danbury 450
Delaware 110 43 July 21, 1930 Millsboro 20
D.C. 106 41 July 20, 1930 Washington 410
Florida 109 43 June 29, 1931 Monticello 207
Georgia 112 44 Aug. 20, 1983 Greenville 860
Hawaii 100 38 Apr. 27, 1931 Pahala 850
Idaho 118 48 July 28, 1934 Orofino 1,027
Illinois 117 47 July 14, 1954 E. St. Louis 410
Indiana 116 47 July 14, 1936 Collegeville 672
Iowa 118 48 July 20, 1934 Keokuk 614
Kansas 121 49 July 24, 1936 Alton (near) 1,651
Kentucky 114 46 July 28, 1930 Greensburg 581
Louisiana 114 46 Aug. 10, 1936 Plain Dealing 268
Maine 105 41 July 10, 1911 North Bridgton 450
Maryland 109 43 July 10, 1936 Cumberland & Frederick 623; 325
Massachusetts 107 42 Aug. 2, 1975 New Bedford & Chester 120; 640
Michigan 112 44 July 13, 1936 Mio 963
Minnesota 114 46 July 6, 1936 Moorhead 904
Mississippi 115 46 July 29, 1930 Holly Springs 600
Missouri 118 48 July 14, 1954 Warsaw & Union 705; 560
Montana 117 47 July 5, 1937 Medicine Lake 1,950
Nebraska 118 48 July 24, 1936 Minden 2,169
Nevada 125 52 June 29, 1994 Laughlin 605
New Hampshire 106 41 July 4, 1911 Nashua 125
New Jersey 110 43 July 10, 1936 Runyon 18
New Mexico 122 50 June 27, 1994 Waste Isolat. Pilot Pit 3,418
New York 108 42 July 22, 1926 Troy 35
North Carolina 110 43 Aug. 21, 1983 Fayetteville 213
North Dakota 121 49 July 6, 1936 Steele 1,857
Ohio 113 45 July 21, 1934 Gallipolis (near) 673
Oklahoma 120 49 June 27, 1994 Tipton 1,350
Oregon 119 48 Aug. 10, 1898 Pendleton 1,074
Pennsylvania 111 44 July 10, 1936 Phoenixville 100
Rhode Island 104 40 Aug. 2, 1975 Providence 51
South Carolina 111 44 June 28, 1954 Camden 170
South Dakota 120 49 July 5, 1936 Gannvalley 1,750
Tennessee 113 45 Aug. 9, 1930 Perryville 377
Texas 120 49 June 28, 1994 Monahans 2,660
Utah 117 47 July 5, 1895 Saint George 2,880
Vermont 105 41 July 4, 1911 Vernon 310
Virginia 110 43 July 15, 1954 Balcony Falls 725
Washington 118 48 Aug. 5, 1961 Ice Harbor Dam 475
West Virginia 112 44 July 10, 1936 Martinsburg 435
Wisconsin 114 46 July 13, 1936 Wisconsin Dells 900
Wyoming 115 46 Aug. 8, 1983 Basin 3,500

Source: National Climatic Data Center, Asheville, N.C., and Storm Phillips, STORMFAX, INC.

http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0001416.html

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Saturday, January 1, 2011 2:34 AM

FREMDFIRMA



Meh, yeah, keep putting up pics of snow... meanwhile it was fifty freakin degrees up here tonite, in JANUARY, arghh!

This culminated in my dumb ass, overheated and wheezing, coming off the first round and having to fling off all my cold-weather gear down to the skivvies and pull one of my light-wear uniforms for use, to the tremendous amusement of lil miss lets-drink-the-cooking-sherry, who didn't realize the stuff was alcoholic till she drank damn near half of it!

Some people should not bake unattended, I swear, last time she tried to make cookies the dough never did quite make it to the oven, as she has a habit of being hard on the ingrediants... although this carries it's own revenge cause the ploshed and now sleeping 89lb wonder is gonna be hatin it when she wakes up, and I am *SO* gonna be an ass about it.

Anyhows, fifty freaking degrees, in Michigan, in January - what the fuck, man ?
Oh, and it's raining besides, where's my goddamn SNOW ?!

-Frem

I do not serve the Blind God.

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Saturday, January 1, 2011 7:28 AM

CATPIRATE


Why do these people still believe in Global warming. Big Al doesn't with a 40k a month utility bill. But hey lets put the coal industry out of buisness. Democrats are for the working man remember.

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Saturday, January 1, 2011 10:22 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


I countered the SAME selection of facts as you put up in the other thread, PN; your facts are just plain wrong. But what the hell, if you insist on splashing your incorrect facts in more than one post, I'll do the same with REAL facts:

Here are a few real ones for you, JUST from 2010:
Quote:

1. An all-time record high in Los Angeles. 97 degrees is nothing compared to September 28. That day, downtown L.A. registered at 113 degrees, besting the old mark of 112 set in 1990.

2. Houston's hottest month ever. While Houston's residents are used to hot days, they've never seen heat like this, with an average temperature of 87.8 degrees in August, a new record for the hottest month in the city's history.

3. A new all-time high in Asia. Temperatures in Pakistan's ancient city of Mohenjo-daro reached a scorching 129 degrees on June 1, marking the hottest weather ever recorded in Asia, and the fourth-highest temperature in history.

4. An unprecedented heat wave in Russia. With smoke from burning peat-bogs clogging the muggy air, the heat in Moscow on August 6 broke the "psychological barrier" of 40 degrees Celsius, or 104 degrees Fahrenheit.

5. Record heat in Sudan. While searing weather is common in Sudan, the 121-degree temperature recorded on June 25 in the city of Dongola was the hottest the country has ever seen. The previous record was set in 1987.

6. New all-time highs in the Middle East. U.S. troops in Iraq endured some of the most intense heat of the summer. The mercury hit a blistering 125.6 degrees Fahrenheit in July, the highest temperature ever recorded in the country.

7. The hottest month in world history — four times in a row. June 2010 was the warmest month ever recorded on planet Earth. The previous mark had been set in May. The mark before that had been set in April. The one before that in March.

http://theweek.com/article/index/205871/the-2010-heat-wave-5-excruciat
ing-climate-records


In 2003 and 2005:
Quote:

 Recent data from Antarctic ice cores indicates that carbon dioxide oncentrations are now higher than at any time during the past 650,000 years, which is as far back as measurements can now reach.

 2005 was the warmest year on record since atmospheric temperatures have been measured.
The ten warmest years on record have all been since 1990. In summer 2005, heat records were
broken in hundreds of U.S. cities.

 Over the past 50 years, the average global temperature has increased at the fastest rate in
recorded history.

 In 2003, heat waves caused over 30,000 deaths in Europe and 1500 deaths in India.

 Since 1978, arctic sea ice has been shrinking by about 9 percent per decade.

http://www.globalwarmingfactsheet.com.au/truth/doc/global_warming_fact
_sheet.pdf


Try 2006:
Quote:

Record temperatures of well over 35 degrees Celsius were recorded all over Europe this week. On Jul. 20 Paris and Berlin registered 39 degrees. In Belgium, Jul. 19 was the hottest day ever in July, with 37 degrees.

The July maximum temperature record was also broken in Britain. The mercury reached 36.5 Celsius at the Royal Horticultural Society's gardens at Wisley in Surrey. The previous record for July, 36 degrees, was set in Epsom in 1911.

The heat wave has led to several deaths across Europe.

French minister of health Xavier Bertrand said Jul. 19 that at least nine people had died this summer, victims of the heat.

In Spain, at least two heat wave deaths have been reported. Both victims were bricklayers, who died at work. In Germany and the Netherlands, four people died of cardio-vascular complications provoked by the heat.

But this year's death toll remains low compared to some 35,000 people who died across Europe in the heat wave of 2003. That year 15,000 people, mostly the elderly, died in France.

Gerstengarbe said that over the last century temperatures in Germany rose 0.8 degrees. "Over the next 75 years, we expect a warming of between 1.8 to 3..6 degrees for our region."

The heat is also taking its toll on agriculture, and affecting the generation of electricity, especially in nuclear power plants.

The lack of fresh water for the nuclear plants' cooling systems has led German private electricity suppliers to slow down their generators.

In France, the state-owned Electricité de France (EdF) was allowed to continue to drain hot water from the cooling system into rivers, although the water temperatures exceeded the limits imposed by environmental authorities. But output has had to be lowered.

EdF has been importing electricity to compensate the nuclear power plants' lower performance. Eighty percent of electricity generated in France is produced by nuclear power plants.

In Italy, hydroelectric plants have had to slow down due to a shortage of water in rivers.

European agriculture has also been hit by the heat wave and the drought.

In Germany, president of the association of farmers Gerd Sonnleitner told the press that this year's harvest on cereals would be 10 to 15 percent lower than in 2004, for which figures are available. "We had excellent expectations, but the heat and the drought have destroyed them."

In France farmers say the heat has damaged harvests. Livestock breeders said they have been forced to exhaust their forage reserves.

"This is the fourth successive drought we are suffering," Jean-Luc Poulain, commissioner for risks management at the French Association of Farmers told IPS. "We have not been able to reconstitute our stocks. And the situation gets worse by the day."

http://www.commondreams.org/headlines06/0721-06.htm

And again, from this year alone, if we're talking just the US, here's April 2010:
Quote:

Total heat records now stand at 671 record highs broken this month (plus another 293 record high minimums, for a total near 1,000).



The temperatures are really extreme, in many cases exceeding what you'd normally see at the peak of the summer. Grandfather Mountain, NC hit 80 yesterday (update, they hit it again today) - their warmest ever in April and only 3 degrees away from their all-time record high (for any month)! At Central Park they broke their daily record set in 1929.

Mid 90s have been seen by official stations; 95 was recorded at Leesburg and Louisa in Virginia, and it rose to 94 at Hagerstown, Maryland this afternoon - just over the Pennsylvania border! As they say about the Desert Southwest, "it's a dry heat" though - relative humidities are as low as 9% at Petersburg, Virginia.

- Only one day (out of more than 41,000) has ever been warmer than this, this early. We hit 86 F at Penn State yesterday, April 6th; only March 31, 1989 saw a warmer temperature (87) before April 15th!

- We don't normally get this warm any time of year. The 86-degree reading is 5 degrees above our normal high during the peak of the Summer in July/August.

- Last night was much warmer than a normal Summer night. Joe Bastardi's weather station south of town (which I installed and am confident that is sited correctly) did not fall below 74 degrees last night -- 12 degrees above the normal overnight low at Summer's peak, making for a +34 temperature departure for the 24-hour period.

http://www.accuweather.com/blogs/weathermatrix/story/27172/nearly-1000
-heat-records-broken-in-northeast.asp


You might as well give it up, PN; for everything you post about record-breaking cold (which, again, can be as much an indication of global warming as record-breaking heat), I can counter with equal facts on unusual heat waves. And the figures you presented are obviously wrong, just given New York's Central Park broke a 1929 record (which your cite said hadn't been broken since 1926), LA broke its record (which your cite listed as not having been broken since 1913) and Houston, Texas broke it's record (which the cite said hadn't been broken since 1941).

Given your cite said New York's "latest" high was in 1926 and it was actually 1929, I question the veracity of your one cite. Was it dated back in 1926 or something???


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Sunday, January 2, 2011 7:15 AM

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Scientist says Ice Age is here to stay:



My brother-in-law the foreign Commie Global Warming scientist is now freezing in his home in southern AZ, with his furnace broken. First time they've had snow in world history. Their house has been burglerized 3 times by the illegal aliens they hired. They have no TV and no internet and breast feed their babies until at least 10 years old. My sister the law professor is paid $6,000 per year. They want everyone to live like Commie China, where they used to live, paid 20-cents an hour, families living 12 to a room and all 2nd-born babies killed on the spot. They say graduated from Yale and brag they are "proud Marxists", just like the Clinton Blythe Rockefllers. They voted for illegal alien allCIAduh Dictator Saddam Hussein Obama Bin Laden Soetoro.

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