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Poooor Bart....versus 59,000 nuns

POSTED BY: NIKI2
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Thursday, March 18, 2010 8:21 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


He didn't get the abortion language he wanted. And he's carrying around a secret "list" of the supposedly 12 others who are allied with him in his pocket. I say tackle the bastard and see who's on the list, because other anti-abortion members are now agreeing that the language is sufficient to prevent "government-paid for abortion". These include Virginia's Tom Parliello (SP?), Pennsylvania's Jason Altmeir and Stupak's own colleague from Michigan, Dale Kilsey. All three supported him in the past, but now say he's wrong. So who's on this "list"?

And he's essentially taken on a whole lotta nuns:
Quote:

National Catholic Social Justice Lobby, released the text of a letter to Congress supporting healthcare legislation from organizations and communities representing tens of thousands of Catholic Sisters. This letter, which is being delivered to each Member of Congress today, comes just days after a statement in support of passing healthcare reform by Sister Carol Keehan, President and CEO of the Catholic Health Association.

Text of the letter:
Quote:

Dear Members of Congress:

We write to urge you to cast a life-affirming “yes” vote when the Senate health care bill (H.R. 3590) comes to the floor of the House for a vote as early as this week. We join the Catholic Health Association of the United States (CHA), which represents 1,200 Catholic sponsors, systems, facilities and related organizations, in saying: the time is now for health reform AND the Senate bill is a good way forward.

As the heads of major Catholic women’s religious order in the United States, we represent 59,000 Catholic Sisters in the United States who respond to needs of people in many ways. Among our other ministries we are responsible for running many of our nation’s hospital systems as well as free clinics throughout the country.

We have witnessed firsthand the impact of our national health care crisis, particularly its impact on women, children and people who are poor. We see the toll on families who have delayed seeking care due to a lack of health insurance coverage or lack of funds with which to pay high deductibles and co-pays. We have counseled and prayed with men, women and children who have been denied health care coverage by insurance companies. We have witnessed early and avoidable deaths because of delayed medical treatment.

The health care bill that has been passed by the Senate and that will be voted on by the House will expand coverage to over 30 million uninsured Americans. While it is an imperfect measure, it is a crucial next step in realizing health care for all. It will invest in preventative care. It will bar insurers from denying coverage based on pre-existing conditions. It will make crucial investments in community health centers that largely serve poor women and children. And despite false claims to the contrary, the Senate bill will not provide taxpayer funding for elective abortions. It will uphold longstanding conscience protections and it will make historic new investments – $250 million – in support of pregnant women. This is the REAL pro-life stance, and we as Catholics are all for it.

Congress must act. We are asking every member of our community to contact their congressional representatives this week. In this Lenten time, we have launched nationwide prayer vigils for health care reform. We are praying for those who currently lack health care. We are praying for the nearly 45,000 who will lose their lives this year if Congress fails to act. We are also praying for you and your fellow Members of Congress as you complete your work in the coming days. For us, this health care reform is a faith mandate for life and dignity of all of our people.

We urge you to vote “yes” for life by voting yes for health care reform in H.R. 3590.

http://www.networklobby.org/press/3-17-10HealthcareSistersLetter.htm

His response?[quote[Congressman Bart Stupak, D-Mich, responded sharply to White House officials touting a letter representing 59,000nuns that was sent to lawmakers urging them to pass the health care bill.

The conservative Democrat dismissed the action by the White House saying, "When I'm drafting right to life language, I don't call up the nuns." He says he instead confers with other groups including "leading bishops, Focus on the Family, and The National Right to Life Committee."

http://congress.blogs.foxnews.com/2010/03/17/rep-stupak-dismisses-lett
er-from-nuns
/ (note that's from FAUX NEWS)


"I'm just right. Kinda like the sun rising in the east and the world being round...its not a need its just the way it is." The Delusional "Hero", 3/1/10

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Thursday, March 18, 2010 10:40 AM

FREMDFIRMA



You do know that the mere fact he is affiliated with Focus on Family (i.e. That monster Dobsons fucking propaganda engine) is the primary reason for me making Black Bart my political buttmonkey in the first place, every chance I get ?

Just sayin, that one act is all it takes to justify kickin his ass from Monroe to Mackinac.

-F

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Thursday, March 18, 2010 11:49 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Oh yeah, I know. Sometimes seems those groups who name themselves most "pro-family" turn out to be the most narrow-minded, bigoted, hypocritical folks around, don't it?


"I'm just right. Kinda like the sun rising in the east and the world being round...its not a need its just the way it is." The Delusional "Hero", 3/1/10

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Friday, March 19, 2010 6:59 AM

FREMDFIRMA



Oh indeed.

The irony here is the sheer impressiveness of the way they shot themselves in the foot...

You see, these asshats are masters of the bullshit doublespeak, crap like "Clean Air Act" and "Healthy Forests Initiative" multiplied over and over to where a lot of americans, the instant they even hear such a term coming out of one of these hypocritical shits gaping pie holes, they *immediately* assume the opposite!

Which means they inadvertently managed to represent themselves for the evil that they are, in the same way a boxed crooks theatrical, overblown, melodramatic denials actually wind up implicating him.

As I put it before, they tried the old boiled-frog trick, but kicked up the heat too quick and the frogs (that bein us) are hoppin around the kitchen with scorched butts croakin and bitchin, and they're cussin up their sleeve about how hard it's gonna be to get em back in the pot.

And so they go to the old standby of either pretending they weren't part of it, or sliming their way under a rock and hoping for forgiveness and short memories...

That this has resulted in a gruesome corruption of the libertarian party thanks to their invasion and attempts to distance themselves, all the while plotting a comeback and return to the same old shit, is one of two reasons why I do not, can not, support it.

Worst of em isn't the bastards themselves, as they'd be fairly powerless without the ignorant, stupid, downright malicious gits who enable and support them, often as not with reasons based in racism, intolerance and a purile hatred of anything "other", anything that isn't exactly like them, with no room in their mindset for anything but their way of life, of thinking, of existing, and fully willing to deny that existance to anyone else so long as they don't have to dirty their own hands and can engage the machinery of the state, cause like their masters, they are cowards in both word and deed - as evidenced by their backasswards doubletalk and weasel words whenever they wish to sponsor something they know is malicious, but don't have the guts to admit to, and whine and weasel and cower when called out on it, too.

It's like a drunken captain who plows the ship into an iceberg, and we're on the lifeboat with the crew who are screaming at and blaming us, throwing a tantrum, and all the while poking holes in the lifeboat trying to sink it like petulant fucking children (which is, in essence, what authoritarians are) because we didn't go down with the ship hoping for some idiotic pie in the sky of afterlife despite knowing that whole cloth bullshit was just shovelled at us to get us to submit... fuck that, fuck THEM.

Me, I'm *all for* throwing em over the side, it's one thing to do that shit out of ignorance, that can be cured, but once someone has CHOSEN that path, knowingly and willingly, by voluntarily surrendering their humanity and (in my eyes) any realistic claim to it - they're not human, not enough for me to care about.

It ain't even that I hate em, in order to hate em, I'd have to give a fuck *about* them... and I don't - what I care about is how their actions harm and destroy all that doesn't fit their concept what should be, and looking at just how horrible, how monstrous, how inhumane their concept of what should be is...

How can you call it anything but evil ?

-Frem

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Friday, March 19, 2010 9:43 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Wow Frem, GREAT rant!
Quote:

Worst of em isn't the bastards themselves, as they'd be fairly powerless without the ignorant, stupid, downright malicious gits who enable and support them, often as not with reasons based in racism, intolerance and a purile hatred of anything "other", anything that isn't exactly like them, with no room in their mindset for anything but their way of life, of thinking, of existing, and fully willing to deny that existance to anyone else so long as they don't have to dirty their own hands and can engage the machinery of the state, cause like their masters, they are cowards in both word and deed - as evidenced by their backasswards doubletalk and weasel words whenever they wish to sponsor something they know is malicious, but don't have the guts to admit to, and whine and weasel and cower when called out on it, too.
Helluva long sentence, but that about covers it.

And
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It ain't even that I hate em, in order to hate em, I'd have to give a fuck *about* them... and I don't - what I care about is how their actions harm and destroy all that doesn't fit their concept what should be, and looking at just how horrible, how monstrous, how inhumane their concept of what should be is...
On the money, exactly how I feel!


"I'm just right. Kinda like the sun rising in the east and the world being round...its not a need its just the way it is." The Delusional "Hero", 3/1/10

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Friday, March 19, 2010 10:46 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!



Anyone who thinks 59,000 nuns are actually for Gov't funded abortions is quite literally , a moron.


Summer Glau can simply walk into Mordor


Bones: "Don't 'rawr' her!"
Booth: "What? she'rawred' me first."

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Friday, March 19, 2010 10:59 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


No, idjit, they're saying existing law is sufficient to keep government from funding abortions, so should not be a reason for killing the bill. Try reading it--or just check the underlined part. Or here, I'll make it easier for you:
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And despite false claims to the contrary, the Senate bill will not provide taxpayer funding for elective abortions. It will uphold longstanding conscience protections and it will make historic new investments – $250 million – in support of pregnant women. This is the REAL pro-life stance, and we as Catholics are all for it.
And yes, the organizations represent 59,000 nuns.


"I'm just right. Kinda like the sun rising in the east and the world being round...its not a need its just the way it is." The Delusional "Hero", 3/1/10

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Friday, March 19, 2010 11:00 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:

Originally posted by Niki2:No, idjit, they're saying existing law is sufficient to keep government from funding abortions, so should not be a reason for killing the bill. Try reading it.




Rush said free abortions are in the bill, so I believe him.

THAT, you'd believe. But would you also believe this ???

Washington, DC (LifeNews.com) -- A letter form a group of several dozen dissident Catholic nuns whose position in favor of the pro-abortion Senate health care bill is coming under further scrutiny. Now, the nation's Catholic bishops say the media wrongly represented the letter as speaking for 59,000 nuns.

The letter, which has already come under fire from pro-life Catholic groups, has been responsible for shifting some pro-life Democrats to the undecided column on the bill or leaning towards voting for it.

Sister Mary Ann Walsh, the director of media relations for the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops, emailed LifeNews.com with a rebuttal.

"A recent letter from Network, a social justice lobby of sisters, grossly overstated whom they represent in a letter to Congress that was also released to media," she writes. "Network’s letter, about health care reform, was signed by a few dozen people, and despite what Network said, they do not come anywhere near representing 59,000 American sisters."

"The letter had 55 signatories, some individuals, some groups of three to five persons. One endorser signed twice," she noted. "There are 793 religious communities in the United States. The math is clear. Network is far off the mark."

In fact, there are only 59,000 women in Catholic religious orders in the United States, meaning the Network letter could never have represented all, or even most, of them.



http://www.lifenews.com/nat6145.html



Summer Glau can simply walk into Mordor


Bones: "Don't 'rawr' her!"
Booth: "What? she'rawred' me first."

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Friday, March 19, 2010 1:02 PM

FREMDFIRMA


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
Rush said free abortions are in the bill, so I believe him.





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