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Assassination of Police - repercussions.

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Sunday, November 29, 2009 9:54 AM

FREMDFIRMA



Quite a while ago, I did mention that should police abuses continue unchecked, eventually folk would begin to target and assassinate police, especially notoriously abusive ones, of which there are many.

Unless you have faced stuff like this, or watched The Wire, it's hard for folk to understand just how deep the hatreds are, in both directions.

Getting Ground by the Wheels of Justice
http://www.vachss.com/av_articles/williams.html

The locality where I live has been for the past couple months, in an escalating adversarial confrontation with their own so-called protectors, who have been acting more and more like an extortion racket every day - they are very angry cause some of their murderous brethren finally got fired despite years of stonewalling and manipulation by the police, the union and FOP, and even more so that the fine resulted in some shrinkage of their budget.

But the spark that lit the fire was forcing a millage onto the ballot, and taking out a half page ad in the local paper (which they bullied into giving them a cut rate) which contained some very threatening language and an abusive tone - in efforts to influence the vote.

Not only was the millage voted down brutally, the local citizenry and government responded with a punitive budget CUT - and they went freakin berserk.

Other than a few sterling examples (which surprised me) their whole focus at the current time is revenue generation to the exclusion of ANYTHING else, and their community protection was such a joke in the first place that said communities hired *US* to do the job the cops won't, despite being paid ten times as much for it AND given all manner of legal immunities.

And I mean berserk, they pulled over one of the residents last night for no particular reason, and then cited him for a bent windshield wiper, and maximum fine for improper/dangerous operation, all the while threatening to seize his vehicle if he disputed the ticket...

This behavior has grown ever more common and blatant around here, on both sides of Detroit, and especially IN Detroit - so that should give you the background to comprehend my concern, ok ?

Official: 4 police officers shot dead in Wash.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091129/ap_on_re_us/us_officers_shot

I am kinda hopin this is an isolated incident rather than a taste of things to come because if communities really do start going insurgent against their own police forces, things could get ugly in a hurry - if they really wanna STOP that behavior, quit bankrolling it.

Our current retaliation against the ticket-seizure extortion is a measure which will be introduced monday which if it passes, and we GOT the votes, oh boy do we ever, will re-route all ticket and seizure proceeds into the general fund rather than the police budget - we mean to take the MONEY out of it, thus removing much of the reason for the shakedown, and we'll go from there, cause we can ALWAYS cut their budget some more.

And here's us, takin care of the business they won't - WITHOUT the shakedown, racism and abuse, and for a far more reasonable price, neh ?

Anyhows, I am hopin this isn't the start of a trend, two of the signs of things going really bad would be both this, and retaliatory bombings against corporations, one of which was already attempted against paypal with a springtrap bomb rigged to an employee exit door.

Although, sometimes I really do wonder if I am doing the right thing when I reccommend against violence that people have cause for, when the alternatives are so obviously ineffective - that bombing of a military recruiter DID put a damper on the aggressiveness of such recruitment for a while, and DID also bring media attention to their abuses, without actually harming a soul, although the potential was there.

So.. sometimes I do wonder, is it really "right" to try and stop violence so richly deserved by the recipients, when often enough the only alternative I can offer is suck it up and deal ?

But then I think of crowd dynamics, lynch mobs, innocent victims - and 25 million casualties, and I know what side "right" really is.

But damn it's hard sometimes to not just cry havoc and help unleash the dogs, you know ?

-Frem

There always has to be a price.

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Sunday, November 29, 2009 10:17 AM

GINOBIFFARONI


It is not just the ticket / arrogance culture Frem,.

it many places anger is building dues to the caviler use of unnecessary force, the fact they investigate themselves and get away with things they should not...

it builds and build, respect lessens, then..... shit starts to come apart

examples

http://www.cbc.ca/canada/british-columbia/story/2007/11/14/bc-taservid
eo.html


http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story/2001/08/07/apec010807.html

http://www.cbc.ca/canada/british-columbia/story/2008/05/08/bc-kamloops
-man-taser.html


http://www.cbc.ca/canada/calgary/story/2009/07/07/calgary-police-offic
er-dog-death.html


http://www.ppao.gov.on.ca/pdfs/sys-tas-cbc.pdf


your definitely right about ticket money should be going into general revenue...

things like quotas and radar cameras which have less to do with public safety ( as the cops claim ) as a big payday.




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Sunday, November 29, 2009 12:51 PM

ANTHONYT

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Hello,

I wonder if this will result in escalation.

--Anthony


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Sunday, November 29, 2009 3:52 PM

PIZMOBEACH

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It may just be a result of being around this forum for a while but doesn't it seem like the world in general is a lot angrier lately? I mean violently angry, especially in the US. Anger always seems to trump it's opposite emotions, and the internet is a conduit for public outcries, conspiracy threats, you name it - all the wrongs ever done or imagined get discussed and amped up and forwarded.

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Sunday, November 29, 2009 4:25 PM

DREAMTROVE


Frem

agreed. This sort of thing is going to just provoke harsher aggression. Discrediting the force would be a much better idea. I suggested earlier that obviating it would be good. If the police were reduced to harassing motorists, support for the idea would quickly dwindle.

Anyone catch Jack Reed's "War Tax" idea?

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Sunday, November 29, 2009 5:39 PM

PIRATENEWS

John Lee, conspiracy therapist at Hollywood award-winner History Channel-mocked SNL-spoofed PirateNew.org wooHOO!!!!!!


Google Battle of Athens Tennessee 1946 for THE CURE. It started over speeding tickets.

Of course fluoride was added to the water supply the next year.

Google Rocky and Leon Houston in Tennessee, who a jury found Not Guilty after they gunned down 2 crooked cops in a firefight. Repercussions yes, but Not Guilty in 2009. FYI keep your loaded AK47 within arms reach when you see a cop car pulling in your driveway, with spare clips handy. A 9mm dont stand no chance, even tho the jury said the cops rolled up and just started shootin. It started over a speeding ticket, and the judge ended up in fed prison.




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Monday, November 30, 2009 4:01 AM

HERO


Quote:

Originally posted by Fremdfirma:
...eventually folk would begin to target and assassinate police, especially notoriously abusive ones, of which there are many....
Anyhows, I am hopin this isn't the start of a trend,


Its not the start of a trend. Its a continuation of what's been happening probably since the first policeman was ever sworn in.

My father was a Deputy in West Virginia in the 1970's. They had a guy with an automatic rifle ambush one of their officers at night in a parking lot. Just walked up on him and emptied 30 rounds into his car. Dropped his wallet at the scene, massive manhunt, guy gets caught, prison, death.

Last year we had a local cop shot and killed during a routine traffic stop. Guy had no record and was not drunk and had a licensed firearm...he was a highly educated male nurse. Got stopped, pulled his gun, shot the officer, walked over and put two more round through his head after the officer was on the ground. Going to trial in December.

Point is, this stuff happens, its what cops deal with, its why the job is dangerous and we can give them a little leeway in how they do their job.

H



"Hero. I have come to respect you." "I am forced to agree with Hero here."- Chrisisall, 2009.

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Monday, November 30, 2009 4:24 AM

GEEZER

Keep the Shiny side up


Quote:

Originally posted by Fremdfirma:

I am kinda hopin this is an isolated incident rather than a taste of things to come because if communities really do start going insurgent against their own police forces, things could get ugly in a hurry - if they really wanna STOP that behavior, quit bankrolling it.



Looks like the shooter wasn't some honest citizen pushed too far. Extensive record of violent crime and out on bail at the time of the shooting for assaulting an officer and second-degree rape of a child. I'm wondering if it isn't 'suicide by cop'?
http://wtop.com/?nid=104&sid=1825385

"Keep the Shiny side up"

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Monday, November 30, 2009 6:09 AM

HERO


Quote:

Originally posted by Geezer:
Extensive record of violent crime and out on bail at the time of the shooting for assaulting an officer and second-degree rape of a child. I'm wondering if it isn't 'suicide by cop'?


Wonder how he made bail?

I understand folks complaining about Huckabee (although the Willie Horton comparison does not hold water...it just looks real bad from a Monday morning quarterback perspective), but Huckabee didn't set the guys bail too low for child rape and assaulting a police officer. Sounds like a liberal Judge problem.

Or they could be after the wrong guy...he is innocent until proven guilty. Heck, he wasn't even in the house. Maybe he's not even shot in which case it really is another guy.

H


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Monday, November 30, 2009 6:45 AM

NEWOLDBROWNCOAT


Quote:

Originally posted by Hero:
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I understand folks complaining about Huckabee (although the Willie Horton comparison does not hold water...it just looks real bad from a Monday morning quarterback perspective), but Huckabee didn't set the guys bail too low for child rape and assaulting a police officer. Sounds like a liberal Judge problem.



found this thru Slate.com:Huckabee Granted Clemency To Man Linked to Police Shootings

Four police officers who worked in Lakewood, Wash., which is just south of Tacoma, were gunned down inside a coffee shop yesterday morning in what officers described as an "ambush." Police are zeroing in on Maurice Clemmons, who had a lengthy prison sentence commuted by then-Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee almost 10 years ago despite the objection of prosecutors. Clemmons has a long criminal history and, in fact, had been released on bail just six days ago on a child rape charge in Washington state. His criminal record "stands out for the number of times he has been released from custody despite questions about the danger he posed," notes the Seattle Times. Huckabee released a statement last night calling the shootings a "horrible and tragic event" but emphasized that the Arkansas parole board reviewed and approved Clemmons' release from prison. Clemmons had served 11 years for crimes he committed when he was 17 at the time of his release in Arkansas.

" Despite objections of prosecutors."
" Emphasized that the Arkansas parole board reviewed and approved Clemmons' release."
" Sounds like a liberal judge problem."

oh, and==

" maybe it wasn't him. Innocent until proven guilty."

Translated to English: " *O*U*R* guy screwed up, but maybe we can get away with ' It wasn't *H*I*S* fault. Maybe we can spread the blame around." and the Hell with "Willie Horton comparisons don't fly."
Glad the " tough on crime " and " law and order" and " no nonsense real American justice"factions did their jobs so well...

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Monday, November 30, 2009 7:56 AM

PIRATENEWS

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Quote:

Originally posted by Hero:

Last year we had a local cop shot and killed during a routine traffic stop. Guy had no record and was not drunk and had a licensed firearm...he was a highly educated male nurse. Got stopped, pulled his gun, shot the officer, walked over and put two more round through his head after the officer was on the ground. Going to trial in December.



I'd say that's an improvement.

Payback's a bitch. Better hope you don't have a cop-hating jury.

Don't you morons realize that every traffic stop makes one more person who hates you? Yet you make 100-million traffic stop arrests every year, and steal millions of cars for parking tickets? At the same time, you refuse to kill real criminals, and ALWAYS refuse to arrest the most homicidal criminals on Earth? Bush and Ghouliani massacre 35 cops and 350 firemen on 9/11, so cops worship the copkillers as their gods. HA.

Cops exist to protect criminals from the sheeple, then extort billion$ from everybody else for the gulag industrial complex.

USA did great for 100 years without any police officers. No frakkin taxes either.

The Police State scam will never end until 1,000s more cops are killed, since their own greed will never allow enforcement of the Constitutions. No profit in that. The next false-flag terror attack is guaranteed to make 9/11 look like the OK City Fed Daycare Bombing.

Quote:

Cop.
to steal; filch.
to buy (narcotics).
cop out, to avoid one's responsibility, the fulfillment of a promise, etc.; renege; back out.
cop a plea.
to plead guilty or confess in return for receiving a lighter sentence.
to plead guilty to a lesser charge as a means of bargaining one's way out of standing trial for a more serious charge; plea-bargain.
-Random House Unabridged Dictionary



PS: Sorry your daddy was a scumbag. At least bribery paid for your law school.


Does this moron in a Nazi helmet know he's standing in front of the private foreign "Federal" Reserve Bank of NY that illegally counterfeits all "US dollars", steals all fed income taxes, has never been audited since its invention in 1913, and was the kosher nostra behind the 9/11 false-flag attacks?
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7065177340464808778
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1656880303867390173

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Monday, November 30, 2009 8:44 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

I understand folks complaining about Huckabee (although the Willie Horton comparison does not hold water...it just looks real bad from a Monday morning quarterback perspective)


So how is it that comparisons to Willie Horton don't hold water? Is it because Dukakis was a Democrat and Huckabee a Republican? That seems to be one of the key differences here.

From the Washington Post:

Quote:

Mike Huckabeee issued this statement:

Should he be found to be responsible for this horrible tragedy, it will be the result of a series of failures in the criminal justice system in both Arkansas and Washington State. He was recommended for and received a commutation of his original sentence from 1990, making him parole eligible and was paroled by the parole board once they determined he met the conditions at that time. He was arrested later for parole violation and taken back to prison to serve his full term, but prosecutors dropped the charges that would have held him. It appears that he has continued to have a string of criminal and psychotic behavior but was not kept incarcerated by either state. This is a horrible and tragic event and if found and convicted the offender should be held accountable to the fullest extent of the law. Our thoughts and prayers are and should be with the families of those honorable, brave, and heroic police officers.

The revelation marks the second time Huckabee's clemency decisions have become an issue. During the 2007-2008 campaign, the story of his 1999 grant of clemency to convicted rapist Wayne Dumond, who went on to rape again, was widely reported.



So according to Huckabee, he just signed whatever was put in front of him, it would seem. The buck stops... WAAAAAAYYYYY over there, in a place that is absolutely, positively, decidedly NOT here, not anywhere NEAR the governor at the time.

So how is it that Willie Horton was - according to Lee Atwater and the HW Bush campaign - 100% the fault of Mike Dukakis, yet NEITHER of these guys have even a passing guilt-by-association with Huckabee? Are you saying he wasn't really in charge of anything? Or are you saying that "personal responsibility" the GOP always prattles on about really is just a talking point, and isn't something any of you really believe in?

If weekend furloughs are a governor's responsibility, surely clemency and commutation of sentences fall under his umbrella as well, do they not? Or is it your position that the governor - at least a REPUBLICAN governor - is in no way responsible for anything that happens on his watch?


Mike

Work is the curse of the Drinking Class.
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Monday, November 30, 2009 9:11 AM

NEWOLDBROWNCOAT


Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:


So how is it that comparisons to Willie Horton don't hold water?


You could make a case, by splitting hairs, that this guy wasn't on a week-end furlough, but had been out of the Arkansas jail for quite a while.

But that don't matter- we lib Demos are gonna hang this one around Huckabee's neck like a stinking albatross. He's gonna get sick of re-explaining this at every press conference for the rest of his career, every campaign stop where he takes open questions from the audience, every debate. He's gonna be less popular than Bill and Hillary put together. Le'see-- Swift Boat Prosecutors for Truth? I know of some rich liberal guys who would be glad to fund a non-profit, exposure-exempt group like that. A lesson legally and well-taught by the Karl Rove faction of the Republican party.
What is it they say about payback?

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Monday, November 30, 2009 10:17 AM

FREMDFIRMA


Some of the case against the guy doesn't pass the sniff test.

Mind you, there's no doubt the primary suspect is a creep - but that's just it, he's a suspect, and I am not fool enough to take the word of the police mafia when they have blood on their minds.

Funny the lengths they'll go to over one of their own (the SWAT assault on an empty house was so overblown and psychotic it was almost darkly funny) but for one of us peons they can barely give a fuck.

I don't "know" anything yet, mind you - but given just how quick the cops were to go running to the media with their stories about this guy gives me cause to doubt them - or perhaps doubt the case behind them - remember I am no stranger to bullshit prosecutions even if the suspect *IS* a creep, and was pointedly reminded by Alice, this morning, that technically she is also a Sex Offender and Porn Trafficker for the "Crime" of reporting a site that buried her PC in a hostile-java window cascade - she yanked the plug and called the cops, who sent the feds, who arrested HER (this was all too common at the time, before they dumped it on NCMEC) and despite all our efforts, managed to ram a case through because I could not get enough public outrage or political muscle on it to stop em.

So straight from her, one damn well should question both the police cases against the man and any effort to demonize him in the press and wind people up about it - cause if YOU did that to someone, you would be accused of incitement to violence and perhaps other criminal behavior, would you not ?

Sure, the guy is a creep - but given typical police behavior, one MUST countenance the possibility that simply because he had a record, an officer or department may have tried to hang a case on him without just cause, and to his mind, if he is a dead man walkin any way because of it, what does he have to lose ?

Innocent till proven guilty - if the man is a suspect, arrest and question him, by the fucking book - but that isn't what the cops are after now, is it ?

I think we all know exactly how this is gonna go.
Dead men tell no tales indeed, and certainly cannot protest claims against them.

-Frem

PS. For the record, I think he's guilty - but unless we hold to the goddamn rules even when things get ugly, we're not living in a land of law and order, but under law of the gun, which makes our whole national concept naught more than a sham - and I for one, will NOT be party to that.

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Monday, November 30, 2009 10:33 AM

FREMDFIRMA



Newoldbrowncoat?

That's hardball, I like.
We really do need to drive a stake in the heart of the Republican party and finish it off before it climbs from the casket again, and doing it via their own dirty methods is just frosting on the cake, innit ?

Of course, the Democrats ain't gonna be so happy about it when we turn on them with the knife still bloody in our hands, but they HAD their chance, and it's really long past time to clear the deck for progress instead of maintaining a disastrous status quo.

By all means, sink his ass like a rock, leave them NOTHING - and then throw them an anvil for a life preserver when they start to sink, and good riddance to em.

-F

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Monday, November 30, 2009 10:40 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Frem, I don't know if I should credit you with it, but the very first thought that crossed my mind when I heard this story breaking was, "How fucking corrupt were THOSE cops, that someone actually hunted 'em down in a coffee shop and did 'em - and DIDN'T kill the employees who witnessed it all!"

So, yeah... It *might* be a tragedy. Or it might just be some light housekeeping.

Mike

Work is the curse of the Drinking Class.
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Monday, November 30, 2009 12:00 PM

PIRATENEWS

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Somebody in that same town arsoned 4 cop cars 1 week prior using pipe bombs, and left a note predicting an attack to kill cops.
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2010201478_webofficer0
4m.html


Quote:

Officials at the scene said two suspects had opened fire, KOMO-TV reported.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/8385421.stm



Allegedly his scumbag friends called the cops and said the night before he said he wanted to kill some cops. Other friends were arrested and helped him escape, said he had a gunshot to the belly.

www.abcnews.go.com/GMA/police-target-lakewood-cop-shooting-suspect-mau
rice-clemmons/story?id=9202384


It always amazes me this don't happen more often.

But the crooks don't take their rage out on the cops who deserve it, and pick defenseless victims to rob, rape and kill instead. In this case, the 4th dead cop got off a couple of shots before he died.

Lesson is, armed citizens have less to fear from criminals. And shoot for the head.

Quote:

"Now if the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms comes to disarm you and they are bearing arms, resist them with arms. Go for a head shot; they're going to be wearing bulletproof vests. They've got a big target on there, ATF. Don't shoot at that, because they've got a vest on underneath that. Head shots, head shots.... Kill the sons of bitches. If the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms insists upon a firefight, give them a firefight. Just remember, they're wearing flak jackets and you're better off shooting for the head. I was talking about a situation in which law enforced agents comes smashing into a house, doesn't say who they are, and their guns are out, they're shooting, and they're in the wrong place. This has happened time and time again. The ATF has gone in and gotten the wrong guy in the wrong place. The law is that if somebody is shooting at you, using deadly force, the mere fact that they are a law enforcement officer, if they are in the wrong, does not mean you are obliged to allow yourself to be killed so your kinfolk can have a wrongful death action. You are legally entitled to defend yourself and I was speaking of exactly those kind of situations. If you're going to do that, you should know that they're wearing body armor so you should use a head shot. Now all I'm doing is stating the law, but all the nuances in there got left out when the story got repeated."
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Monday, November 30, 2009 1:08 PM

PIRATENEWS

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Looks like this killing of 4 cops on Sunday was retaliation for cops shooting man in the head 1 day prior on Saturday, who was suspected of the arson of 4 cop cars with pipe bombs, AND WHO SHOT TWO MORE COPS (5 DEAD COPS TOTAL THAT MONTH IN SEATTLE WASHINGTON). The bomber was a former security guard and college grad who wanted to be a cop.
http://the-bully-pulpit.blogspot.com/2009/11/person-of-interest-in-sea
ttle-police.html

http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=146468.0


Copkiller bomber Christopher Monfort ambushed by SWAT and shot in head 1 day before 4 cops gunned down in donut shop, would have killed more cops but his semiauto didn't have a round chambered

Montfort's brother wrote:

Quote:

“Chris was not a terrorist. He loved and respected the law. His track record not only exemplifies that, but also his ideals reflected his commitment to support the community, a community which includes law enforcement. These allegations are preposterous. It seems when a man of color pursues greatness he is tracked down like a run-away slave when it is obvious that he has God-given abilities. Take time to reflect on his life and his track record. Do his past actions look even remotely close to the allegations this police department is making? Who saw the incident? What witnesses do the police have? I know my brother and I know he is no criminal. From what I understand from the community in Seattle, the police department has been known to abuse black males. Living in Los Angeles during the riots, this looks very similar in police tactics to me. I would hope you would use your publication as a vehicle to find what the "truth" truly is. Not only are they trying to kill my brother, but they are trying to kill his reputation as an honest, brilliant, focused, hard-working African-American man. If you need some background information that is truthful and unbiased you can contact me at any time. Please do not hide nor withhold this email from anyone. We have nothing to hide. Also, tell the police department to let Christopher's mother see him in the hospital. That's her right as a mother. Thank you.


Apparently Montfort was angry about a bogus traffic ticket for not being able to afford insurance, 6 days before the bombing. It is unconstitutional and illegal for any cop or court to require any person to buy private insurance contract, as proven in all state statutes.

Quote:

A veteran Seattle police officer, speaking on condition of anonymity, said Wednesday that officers are being told to make sure to carry rifles and shotguns on duty.

At each site, investigators found an American flag.


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Monday, November 30, 2009 5:56 PM

FREMDFIRMA



Mikey ?

NOW you understand why the Wayne County PD calls me the Voice of Saruman and threatens to gag me if they ever have to arrest me.

-F

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Tuesday, December 1, 2009 2:04 AM

PIRATENEWS

John Lee, conspiracy therapist at Hollywood award-winner History Channel-mocked SNL-spoofed PirateNew.org wooHOO!!!!!!


Lest we forget the Battle in Seattle 10 years ago, where PD defended WTO's coup to overthrow USA.

Under US Code the punishment for treason is death, even for cops.

















The Civil War is just warming up...

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Tuesday, December 1, 2009 7:23 AM

FREMDFIRMA


Quote:

Originally posted by Fremdfirma:
I think we all know exactly how this is gonna go.
Dead men tell no tales indeed, and certainly cannot protest claims against them.


Right in one.

Some cop spotted the guy and filled him fulla lead - I'd be pretty interested to see the coroners report but I doubt that's gonna happen.

Procedurally, blowin him away doesn't offend me since he was armed and obviously had zero qualms about shooting cops, so shoot first, fast, and more than once is the recommended policy for dealing with something like that, paperwork be damned.

That said, I *highly doubt* he was offered any chance to stop and surrender, or that it would have been accepted if he had - cops were lookin to kill the guy, and meant to do so regardless, which *does* offend me a bit, as does this...
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A couple dozen police officers milled around at the scene where Clemmons apparently was shot, shaking hands and patting each other on the back later Tuesday morning

That's a bit savage and unprofessional, don't ya think ?

And of COURSE they're gonna round up anyone who even said hello to the guy, to send the message to the peons who their lords are - whether or not any of those people knew what they were into, believe me, patching up battle damage in a city in order to avoid questions from the police is commonplace enough that whoever did may not have connected it to the police shootings immediately if they even knew of such at the time.

The commutation of sentence does bring to light the stupidity of simply lockin folk up without rehab, and the point of how a criminal record hems these folk in to where they just about have to return to crime in order to survive, which is just plain stupid.

Rehabilitation is not an on/off switch, and many folk turn to crime because of both lack of valid opportunities and often minor to major mental health problems which render those more valid opportunities unavailable to them (as it seems in this case) and our penal system is ill equipped to do anything but simply put them in a cage, which does nothing but amplify those problems.

Just think - if someone had gotten to this man and been able to help him way back when before his consciousness spiraled into the madness that drove him to the teenaged crime spree that sent him up in the first damned place - all of this mess, from the initial prison term, parole violations, other crimes, and finally this death and carnage, might have been avoided.

Isn't that cheap at the price ?

But no, our system handles crime and rehabilitation the same way it handles debt, put it off and put it off till it becomes someone elses problem - and now it's OUR problem.

Look around you, at children struggling in this world, at kids being sent up by juvie into a youth detention that hardens them into monsters, and listen to the song of their hearts.

Tick tick tick, bombs in the making, powered by hate and an unconscious revenge seeking against their fellow man.

And sooner or later, boom, just like this.

A damn simple equation, and one I wish more people would see and understand.

-Frem

There always has to be a price.

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Tuesday, December 1, 2009 9:10 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Yeah, you can imagine my utter lack of shock when I heard he was gunned down after a "confrontation". I had a mental picture of a Monty Python animated skit, with Babyface Nelson's final showdown with the cops. "You'll never take me alive, coppers!" cries Babyface, to which the police captain responds, "Oh. All right." and drops a 16-ton weight on his head.

Somehow I just had a feeling this one was going to end in a showdown, no matter how many throwdown guns they had to plant on the guy. ;)

Mike

Work is the curse of the Drinking Class.
- Oscar Wilde

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Tuesday, December 1, 2009 9:41 AM

WULFENSTAR

http://youtu.be/VUnGTXRxGHg


Brownshirts = blueshirts. Sad but true.

Notice, I didn't say brownCOATS.


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Tuesday, December 1, 2009 9:57 AM

WULFENSTAR

http://youtu.be/VUnGTXRxGHg

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Tuesday, December 1, 2009 11:49 AM

PIRATENEWS

John Lee, conspiracy therapist at Hollywood award-winner History Channel-mocked SNL-spoofed PirateNew.org wooHOO!!!!!!


Update: Sheriff's spokesman says Seattle police have fatally shot suspect in officer shooting
www.wbir.com/news/national/story.aspx?storyid=106489&catid=16

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Originally posted by Fremdfirma:

That said, I *highly doubt* he was offered any chance to stop and surrender, or that it would have been accepted if he had - cops were lookin to kill the guy, and meant to do so regardless, which *does* offend me a bit, as does this...
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A couple dozen police officers milled around at the scene where Clemmons apparently was shot, shaking hands and patting each other on the back later Tuesday morning



Celebrations, just like Waco, after massacrering 80 men women and little children. Shot on sight, even after surrender.

All I can say is I'm glad there's 5 dead pigs in Seattle this month. Plus one more with a bullet in the head. Gangmembers killing gangmembers just don't bother me, especially when they shoot straight and there's no collateral damage. And they save the taxslaves several million $$$ in prison tax and lawyer fees.

One thing's for sure, Amerika hates pigs. Even Joss says so. Make a movie about yourself killing an entire police station full of cops, and They make you governor of California, soon to be president of USSA.

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Tuesday, December 1, 2009 11:51 AM

PIRATENEWS

John Lee, conspiracy therapist at Hollywood award-winner History Channel-mocked SNL-spoofed PirateNew.org wooHOO!!!!!!


Quote:

Originally posted by Fremdfirma:

Look around you, at children struggling in this world, at kids being sent up by juvie into a youth detention that hardens them into monsters, and listen to the song of their hearts.

Tick tick tick, bombs in the making, powered by hate and an unconscious revenge seeking against their fellow man.

And sooner or later, boom, just like this.



That's all part of The Plan. Gotta have cannon fodder for the Civil War, as NWO banksters sip champagne offshore.

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Tuesday, December 1, 2009 4:46 PM

FREMDFIRMA



Which is, in essence, MY plan - deprive them of that cannon fodder by "reforming" the institutions that provide it, whittle the numbers down till they have to take the field themselves in order to get shit done cause they can no longer count on the power of numbers and the masses apathy...

And then the quick decapitation strike and subversion of as many of their forces as possible, hell, I've done stated that's my intent, and more than once - we pulled that shit on ole Adolph with Paperclip, it's only karmic justice to return it to the folk who've become just like his fascist ass, innit ?

And you of all people should KNOW this, John.

-F

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