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Obama Bin Laden

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Tuesday, September 15, 2009 9:30 AM

John Lee, conspiracy therapist at Hollywood award-winner History Channel-mocked SNL-spoofed PirateNew.org wooHOO!!!!!!

'Bin Laden': 'Obama Is Powerless To Stop Wars'
http://uk.news.yahoo.com/5/20090914/twl-bin-laden-obama-is-powerless-t
o-stop-3fd0ae9.html

Has Osama Bin Laden been dead for seven years - and are the U.S. and Britain covering it up to continue war on terror?
www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1212851/Has-Osama-Bin-Laden-dead-seve
n-years--U-S-Britain-covering-continue-war-terror.html

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Obama's Jewish Polish advisor Zbigniew Brezinski founded AllCIAduh, hanging out with USAma Bin Laden in Pakistan (Village Voice 1981 when CIA agent Barack Hussein Obama Soetoro was illegally in Pakistan)

"Regret what? That secret operation (the CIA backing of Islamic Fundamentalist Terrorists) was an excellent idea. It had the effect of drawing the Russians into the Afghan trap and you want me to regret it? What is most important to the history of the world? The Taliban or the collapse of the Soviet empire? Some stirred-up Moslems or the liberation of Central Europe and the end of the cold war?"
-Zbigniew Brzezinski, Le Nouvel Observateur, Jan, 1998

"I've learned an immense amount from Dr. Brzezinski."
-Hussein Obama, 12 Sept 2007
youtube.com/watch?v=ASlETEx0T-I

"I endorsed Obama."
-Zbigniew Brzezinski, MSNBC

"I would like to assure the world that I did not plan the recent attacks.”
—Usama bin Laden, CNN, "Bin Laden says he wasn't behind attacks," September 17, 2001
http://archives.cnn.com/2001/US/09/16/inv.binladen.denial/

"We've never made the case, or argued the case that somehow Osama bin Laden was directly involved in 9/11. That evidence has never been forthcoming."
—Dick Cheney, "Interview of the Vice President by Tony Snow", March 29, 2006
www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2006/03/20060329-2.html

"9/11 is not mentioned on Usama Bin Laden’s Most Wanted page. He has not been formally indicted and charged in connection with 9/11 because the FBI has no hard evidence connecting Bin Laden to 9/11.”
—FBI agent Rex Tomb, June 6, 2006
www.fbi.gov/wanted/terrorists/terbinladen.htm

"The goal has never been to get Bin Laden."
—General Richard Myers, chairman, US Joint Chiefs of Staff
www.myspace.com/911pressfortruth

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Tuesday, September 15, 2009 11:35 AM

PIRATENEWS

John Lee, conspiracy therapist at Hollywood award-winner History Channel-mocked SNL-spoofed PirateNew.org wooHOO!!!!!!

Dont you think its strange we have a "president" named "Obama" that sounds like Osama?

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Tuesday, September 15, 2009 12:16 PM

BYTEMITE

The quotes hit at the heart of the matter, wish I could watch the embedded videos. There is just one thing: a lot of people on the left are simply going to be turned off to this message by the "Osama" "Obama" name comparison.

Those who supported Obama in the elections heard that comparison too many times, it tends to provoke a reaction of disbelief to anyone who points that out.

Myself, I think the name similarity is coincidence, they were born in two different places and cultures.

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Tuesday, September 15, 2009 4:47 PM

DREAMTROVE

1. Osama bin Laden, prince turned spy turned revolutionary, RIP, was never involved in terrorist attacks against the united states. His worst offense was drug trafficking to fund his war, of which he himself was a victim, he died of liver failure.

2. Osama and Obama are relatively common names in their shared culture. Osama bin Laden is a Yemeni, and Yemen was part of the east african empire of upper egypt, as was the sudan, from where Obama's family hails. Both men are of mixed black east african and white blood, albeit it unrelated white races. Both cultures became muslim during the madness that followed the death of Mohammed.

3. Two people from the same cultural background says nothing. All of us are from the same cultural background, or a lot closer than the *parents* of Obama and Osama. Osama himself seems to have spent some time growing up in Sweden, and Obama of course is from Hawaii.

4. Any in depth study into these two individuals reveals that they have nothing at all in common. Here's hoping that history doesn't prove me otherwise, as Osama was a tragic and ineffectual individual, whose importance on the global scene is vastly exaggerated by others for political gain. In a very different way, the same could be said of Gorbachev, and also of Hoover. The last is Obama's potential fate.

5. No, I'm not even going to go to any Obama is Osama or anything remotely related to that, I'd sooner appoint Kanye West ambassador to the UN...

Edit:

Barack(Hebrew): Lightning, shine
Obama(Luo): Crooked, slightly bending. One who goes against the grain. A maverick.

Osama(Farsi derivation of east african/arabic): The lion.
bin Laden, son of Laden, which appears to mean thoughtful or thinking. This was the hardest name to find.

The ear above is probably a photoshop

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Tuesday, September 15, 2009 4:53 PM

CHRISISALL

PN needs meds on occasion.

The laughing Chrisisall

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Tuesday, September 15, 2009 5:01 PM

BYTEMITE

Looked it up, and looks like I'm still thinking too geographical, not enough tribal. Sudan is the country just to the north of Kenya... But it's a big country, and also borders Egypt. Likely to be some genetic dispersion between Kenya and north African races, but a common background culture seems possible.

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Tuesday, September 15, 2009 5:30 PM

DREAMTROVE

Chris,

lol

Byte,

The Obama family is Luo. The Luo are from central Sudan, the Yemeni from Eritea, but these borders were drawn by european invaders quite recently. If you trace back to biblical times, around first millenia BC ish, both regions would have been part of the empire of axum, one of the kingoms of upper egypt, black african civilizations that were in many ways the successor states to ancient egypt and still are.

These tribes are part of a larger nubian ethnic group, no relation to american blacks, who are almost universally of west african descent.

The african expansion into the peninsula was so advances across the eastern banks of the red sea that it actually bordered Judah, the ancient enemy of Israel. I strongly suspect this is where the attitude on race is coming from in the old testament. The OT is very fierce against the enemies of judah or judea, and if you can name them, than the world political picture unravels in an uncomfily eerie manner.

but yes, Obama's and Osama's fathers would be distantly related, more so than they would to the rest of us. Osama has much arab blood of course, and appears *mostly* white, though probably darker than Beyonce Knowles. Many Yemeni are quite dark. Osama was born to Yemeni parents working in Riyadh.

Obama is also a Dunham, and is of anglo-saxon ancestry, as one of the germanic families of england, though his grandfather was from moneygal, ireland, making him a celt.

I'm pretty good with faces, so it was easy for me to peg these two:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Madelyn_Payne
just as it was obama himself.

What we should be asking ourselves is "Is our president too German?"

Seriously, genetics don't determine a lot here. Culturally, both spent much of their youth wandering the world, though Osama was more upper class. Most of their more recent lives, however, Osama was living in Afghanistan and Sudan; Obama in Hawaii and Chicago.

In time spent, certainly Osama is the more African of the two, spending a good portion of his life there, Obama spent very little time in Africa, mostly just visiting relatives.

None of this is leading anywhere at all. I'm just countering John's layout of selective information with a wider array of more accurate information, I could go on forever, I just wanted to cast a perspective on this.

Overall I have a fairly neutral view of Osama, and fairly positive view of Obama, but I blame both of them for pointless bloodshed in war. I also blame Osama for a decent amount of drug trade, though not actual terrorism, and I worry that Obama might lead us into a recession, mostly because he's surrounded by economic wolves and doesn't seem to have a solid grasp of the field himself.

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Tuesday, September 15, 2009 6:05 PM

GINOBIFFARONI

" I also blame Osama for a decent amount of drug trade "

Pre US invasion the only part of Afghanistan that was producing / exporting opium in any major quantity was under the control the Northern Alliance ie the US allies that now control the Afghan government.

The Taliban actually done a serious job of kicking the drug / warlords out...

" I don't believe in hypothetical situations - it's kinda like lying to your brain "

" They don't hate America, they hate Americans " Homer Simpson

Lets party like its 1939

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Tuesday, September 15, 2009 6:27 PM

DREAMTROVE

Gino

I was aware of this. I would place Osama certainly on the Northern Alliance side, as he was on their side in the Soviet War, and had more than a few choice words to say about the Taliban. He was also a US ally at the time. I'm not sure that really ever changed. By the time we made him into a boogieman he was already so sick it didn't matter. I can't help but think that some sort of family connection here.

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Tuesday, September 15, 2009 7:29 PM

GINOBIFFARONI

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Originally posted by dreamtrove:
Gino

I was aware of this. I would place Osama certainly on the Northern Alliance side, as he was on their side in the Soviet War, and had more than a few choice words to say about the Taliban. He was also a US ally at the time. I'm not sure that really ever changed. By the time we made him into a boogieman he was already so sick it didn't matter. I can't help but think that some sort of family connection here.

Only challenging your statement putting the blame on OBL for the boost in the drug trade, I could point at the Bush occupation team and the Alphabet goons Frem likes to talk about as having 100X more to do with it.

And both sides were united against the Soviets, it was only after they pulled out and the country fell to pieces they began to oppose each other. While OBL really choose neither side, his connections and support really came more from the Taliban side... and that probably had more to do with why he was " made a boogieman "

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Wednesday, September 16, 2009 3:08 AM

DREAMTROVE

Not absolving the US who can easily do it without Osama, but we needn't be so buried in self blame that it becomes egotism. Osama had a large organization which he used to plant, refine and traffic opium, and mostly to finance his own operation. Intermittently, those guys, known colloquially as "Al Qaeda" are working for us. Little known fact: They are working for us right now in Afghanistan, officially, and helping us against the Taliban and possibly Iran. They're a total pain in the ass to Iran, more so than anyone outside of Afghanistan and Pakistan, though lately the Taliban is being more of a pain in Pakistan, and of course, the US is being a pain all over that area.

I think Niki should be able to weigh in here.

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Wednesday, September 16, 2009 6:02 AM

GINOBIFFARONI

While Al Qaeda is a grouping of other organizations and some of which surely have some connection to the drug trade, I can't seem to find a pre 2001 cite linking drugs to Al Qaeda.

As boogiemen go, the US always seems to link drugs and their enemies so I am not really sure about media reports after that, the propaganda machine is loud enough to overcome the truth... whatever that truth might be.

" I don't believe in hypothetical situations - it's kinda like lying to your brain "

" They don't hate America, they hate Americans " Homer Simpson

Lets party like its 1939

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Wednesday, September 16, 2009 8:13 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...

How lovely to see educated, knowledgeable people trying to understand! It's actually pretty complicated and confusing. As to the drug trade:

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Pre US invasion the only part of Afghanistan that was producing / exporting opium in any major quantity was under the control the Northern Alliance ie the US allies that now control the Afghan government.

The Taliban actually done a serious job of kicking the drug / warlords out...

I would say "did" more than "done", as they're actually profiting from it now...

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I would place Osama certainly on the Northern Alliance side, as he was on their side in the Soviet War, and had more than a few choice words to say about the Taliban. He was also a US ally at the time.

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And both sides were united against the Soviets, it was only after they pulled out and the country fell to pieces they began to oppose each other. While OBL really choose neither side, his connections and support really came more from the Taliban side

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Osama had a large organization which he used to plant, refine and traffic opium, and mostly to finance his own operation. Intermittently, those guys, known colloquially as "Al Qaeda" are working for us. Little known fact: They are working for us right now in Afghanistan, officially, and helping us against the Taliban and possibly Iran. They're a total pain in the ass to Iran, more so than anyone outside of Afghanistan and Pakistan, though lately the Taliban is being more of a pain in Pakistan, and of course, the US is being a pain all over that area.

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While Al Qaeda is a grouping of other organizations and some of which surely have some connection to the drug trade, I can't seem to find a pre 2001 cite linking drugs to Al Qaeda.

As boogiemen go, the US always seems to link drugs and their enemies so I am not really sure about media reports after that, the propaganda machine is loud enough to overcome the truth... whatever that truth might be.

Excellent; right and wrong, but you guys are LOOKING for the truth, you have no idea how lovely that is, as opposed to buying into the usual rhetoric.

Okay. From what the Afghan friends I know have to say (and I've checked it and included facts from a bunch of internet sites, which I obviously put more faith in than the MSM. Most of those I know have been here for ages now--like one guy in his twenties who was born here and only knows what his father told him--and what they knew/remember isn't always the same):

The Taliban initially outlawed poppy growth in 2000, since drugs are against Islamic law, and the Taliban was largely Mullah-driven. Production went waaaay down under them. But the minute we invaded, it started going up now. Now the Taliban take their “cut” (as do the Afghan officials so they will overlook the fields), and justify it by saying they send it out to the “infidels” rather than for Muslim consumption. Which of course is bullshit—I don’t know what the current estimate of Afghan addicts is, but I’ll bet it’s high. Yes, you bet is the US is highly involved…the people I know say the farmers are paid by underlings or some other way that they don’t actually see who buys it. Wouldn’t matter; easy enough to hire Afghans to pretend to be the only “bosses”. Supposedly the figures I’ve seen say Afghanistan produces between 90% and 92% of the opium in the world; can you imagine America passing that up?

The farmers THEMSELVES don’t make a great profit, they get paid very little—but “very little” is better than subsistence level, so who can blame them, with their country bombed into worse poverty than it was already? Given the drug trade is the third biggest moneymaker in the world, after oil and arms sales…why would we even imagine the US HASN’T got it’s finger in the pie? Corruption is a way of life there, always has been, more, and more openly than we at home are familiar with. There’s rumor that Karzai’s own brother is a drug lord, and hey, ho; we haven’t arrested anyone on drug charges since 2006…what does that say?

The capital of the province of Pakistan from which we and the Saudis supplied the resistance to the Russians from ’79 to ’89 is Peshawar…right on the border. We went there a lot, back then was kind of an “oasis” in all mountain/desert area—they grew fantastic melons. The drug trade flows through there mostly today.

Bin laden started (along with a Palestinian) Al-Qaeda there via the offices of the World Muslim League and the Muslim Brotherhood, where he worked with the local Mujahideen leaders. It’s actually "mujahidin", by the way: theoretically Muslims who engage in the defense of Muslim lands, or who take up a struggle in defense of the oppressed, the poor or the exploited, or against the oppression of the state or foreign invaders.

Peshawar is erroneously identified as part of Pakistan’s Federally Administered Tribal Areas; it’s not, it’s part of Pakistan’s Northwest Frontier Province…the only thing the two have in common is they’re Pushtun, and Pakistan’s government was pretty ineffective there. Probably still is; I don’t know much about what they’re doing up there now to fight the Taliban.

Back to al Qaeda. Its name actually means “the BASE”. It was formed as a general headquarters for future jihad after the Russians pulled out. Bin Laden (whose name was actually Usama, not Osama) didn’t actually FIGHT in the jihad, he was more a financier. Bin Laden wanted to prepare al Qaeda to fight all over in the world, not just in Afghanistan. It’s a political terrorist organization.

He left Peshawar and moved to Saudi Arabia—which, along with the US, had been backing their battle against the Soviets. Saudi Arabia kicked him out; he moved to the Sudan. He went back to Afghanistan to rebuild his terrorist network, and with the rise of the Taliban, he gained further strength. He joined with Zawahri’s Egyptian Islamist Jihad. While previously they’d only been involved in training, funding and aiding other groups, once back in Afghanistan, with the increased power, they started actually being active themselves around 1998.

The Taliban was actually “created” by Pakistan, as a result of the Soviet-Afghan war. Pakistan decided to directly influence the outcome, but rather than allow the most gifted Afghan commanders and parties to flourish, who would be difficult to control later, Pakistan preferred to groom the incompetent ones for the role of future leaders of Afghanistan. Being incompetent, they would be wholly reliant on Pakistan for support.

The principal beneficiary of this policy was Gulbuddin Hekmatyar. His credentials were that of an anti-Western Islamic fundamentalist. In tandem with favoring the incompetent Hekmatyar over more enterprising and gifted commanders such as Ahmed Shah Masoud, the Tadjik commander from northern Afghanistan, Pakistan also encouraged, facilitated and often escorted Arabs from the Middle East into Afghanistan. However, they lacked numbers, confidence, experience or bonding ties sufficient to give them a separate identity from their hosts.

When Kabul finally fell, it was Ahmed Shah Masoud who captured it, not Hekmatyar. When they did, they hunted down the last Soviet ruler, ripped off his testicles, shot him, and hung his body from a streetlamp. Tough folk.

The Taliban have forged relationships among many Afghan (and Pakistani) tribes. These tribes are Pashtuns, and their beliefs stem in part from Pashtunwali, a complex two-thousand-year-old code of honor. Grossly oversimplified: “befriend a Pashtun and he will die for you. Piss off a Pashtun, and his neighbor’s great-grandchildren may hate yours.” That’s what we met in Afghanistan, that wonderfully open, loyal, kindness.

After the Soviet defeat in Afghanistan, Pakistan still had an unstable neighbor, and the mujahedin still didn’t have their Islamist state. Pakistan hoped that by holding the purse strings of extremists like Mullah Mohammad Omar, they could keep a lid on things. However, while not all Pashtun are Taliban, virtually all Taliban are Pashtun. And Pashtunwali means that many non-Taliban Pashtuns will favor the Taliban over non-Pashtuns. So this was a recipe for spreading extremism.

The CIA claims al Qaeda was always supported by the Taliban and they work together, which…well, we know the CIA. Substantial portions of the Taliban, which is a TRIBAL and religious entity, actually turned against al Qaeda. But when bin Laden eventually split from his mujahedin allies and returned from Sudan, settled into Kandahar (Afghanistan’s second-largest city when we were there, in the South, mainly “owned” the South, and was ruled by the Mullahs--Islamic religious leaders), married one of his sons to Mullah Omar’s daughter, and started funding and providing personnel to the Taliban, the Taliban let Osama and his motley foreign Islamists hang out.

The tribes have been alienated by Karzai and the Americans, and far more important, they do not perceive the Americans and Karzai as able to win. The tribes have long memories, and they know that foreigners don't stay very long. They’re not betting on the US. Despite our military supremacy, human intelligence is the only effective long-term solution to defeating them, and the Taliban have the advantage: They have been there longer, they are in more places and they are not going anywhere.

I found this, which helps explain:

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Taliban consider themselves pure traditional Muslims, but their ideology is influenced by the relatively recent works of an Egyptian named Sayyid Qutb, whose writings from prison in the 1950s and 1960s are like a bizarro Letters from a Birmingham Jail, replacing Dr. King’s nonviolence and compassion with violent contempt for most of humanity.

Qutb’s world was utterly simplistic: to him, Islam was already dead, having wandered far from its pure, narrow path. A few remnants fit into Qutb’s harsh version of Islamic law, but everything else was inherently evil and corrupt. Therefore, for Qutb, the non-Islamic world—including not just the West, but the vast majority of mainstream Muslims and all secular governments, especially in Muslim countries—was the enemy. “You’re either with us or against us,” in other words.

Egypt hanged Qutb in 1966, but his works continue to provide deceptively simple, emotionally satisfying answers to complex social questions. Followers, including Osama’s pal Ayman al-Zahawiri, have amplified his ideas, building the case to abolish all democracies and even nationalities. Instead: a worldwide Taliban-plus, forever.

But be reassured: Qutb is considered a heretic by most mainstream Muslims. The notion that the Koran can be so radically interpreted is usually seen as a serious insult to 1,300 years of tradition. And despite wide disdain for U.S. policies amplified during the Bush years, only a small bit of the Islamic world identifies with this stuff, and only a teeny percentage of those would engage in any violence. Even the Egyptian Muslim Brotherhood, Qutb’s home team, has moved away from his rhetoric in recent years.

In short, most of the world’s hundreds of millions of Muslims are not part of a extremist offshoot that seeks its own destruction. The West can either earnestly pursue relationships with moderate Muslims in difficult countries, or simply slur them all together as enemies, a move as sloppy and hostile as it is self-fulfilling.

So they’re not really different anymore, they both hate the West and most of the rest of the world.

Sorry for the length and the chronological confusion; as you can see, a lot of groups have been involved from the start, at cross-purposes, same purposes, for different reasons…it’s all a mess. Where we/they go from here…?

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Wednesday, September 16, 2009 8:39 AM

DREAMTROVE

Not to nitpick, but look hard? several came up on the first search I did
http://www.emperors-clothes.com/news/binl.htm

But I knew. I wasn't guessing.

Whatever we do is somewhat irrelevant, I use us neither as a primary information source nor a moral compass. I think everyone has suspected the CIA is in drug trafficking for years. The whole "port inspection" issue was about drugs.

Bin Laden didn't really start his farming operation to "grow potatoes" as he put in an interview, because he was trying to fund a revolution, not something you can do on potato sales, just ask the Irish.

Also, his guys get arrested all the time for opium trafficking. This isn't a big mystery.

I don't think we always peg our enemies as drug traffickers. Nazis, Soviets, China, Japan, Saddam Hussein. I'm not even sure we do it to "also ran" bad guys, Chavez, Kim Jong Il, I just think it's a pretty widespread practice, so we *do* bring it up when it's true, because it helps make the case against someone.
(Whether or not anyone says it about Chavez, it's likely, his Bolivarian allies do, Evo Morales openly supports the idea.)

But I don't hear this floated against the new enemy #1, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, because it would be an absurd claim. Even Bush, who had made a lot of *really* questionable claims backed away from the truly absurd. I don't have any sympathy for Bush, but just a couple quotes I remember from press conferences, responding to MSM people who had made radical links:

"Saddam Hussein doesn't have a connection to 9/11, but he does have links to international terrorism"

"Iran and Al Qaeda, that doesn't even make sense, the Iranians are Shiia, Al Qaeda is a Sunni organization. No, I don't know why anyone would think that"

Just illustrating that there is a level beyond which even the most absurd America propaganda attacks won't go. Sure, we'll say "Iran has a secret nuclear missile program" and maybe they do. Maybe Obama is a secret muslim. Don't care, but could be. But no one is saying "Somalia has a secret nuclear program." With what? A dictionary and My Friend Flicka?

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Wednesday, September 16, 2009 9:44 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...

I agree; I don't hear "drug trafficker" used against many of our enemies. But many of our enemies might well use it against us...?

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Wednesday, September 16, 2009 1:31 PM

GINOBIFFARONI

Quote:
Originally posted by dreamtrove:
Not to nitpick, but look hard? several came up on the first search I did
http://www.emperors-clothes.com/news/binl.htm

But I knew. I wasn't guessing.

Whatever we do is somewhat irrelevant, I use us neither as a primary information source nor a moral compass. I think everyone has suspected the CIA is in drug trafficking for years. The whole "port inspection" issue was about drugs.

Bin Laden didn't really start his farming operation to "grow potatoes" as he put in an interview, because he was trying to fund a revolution, not something you can do on potato sales, just ask the Irish.

Also, his guys get arrested all the time for opium trafficking. This isn't a big mystery.

I don't think we always peg our enemies as drug traffickers. Nazis, Soviets, China, Japan, Saddam Hussein. I'm not even sure we do it to "also ran" bad guys, Chavez, Kim Jong Il, I just think it's a pretty widespread practice, so we *do* bring it up when it's true, because it helps make the case against someone.
(Whether or not anyone says it about Chavez, it's likely, his Bolivarian allies do, Evo Morales openly supports the idea.)

But I don't hear this floated against the new enemy #1, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, because it would be an absurd claim. Even Bush, who had made a lot of *really* questionable claims backed away from the truly absurd. I don't have any sympathy for Bush, but just a couple quotes I remember from press conferences, responding to MSM people who had made radical links:

"Saddam Hussein doesn't have a connection to 9/11, but he does have links to international terrorism"

"Iran and Al Qaeda, that doesn't even make sense, the Iranians are Shiia, Al Qaeda is a Sunni organization. No, I don't know why anyone would think that"

Just illustrating that there is a level beyond which even the most absurd America propaganda attacks won't go. Sure, we'll say "Iran has a secret nuclear missile program" and maybe they do. Maybe Obama is a secret muslim. Don't care, but could be. But no one is saying "Somalia has a secret nuclear program." With what? A dictionary and My Friend Flicka?

from your link

" But the National Liberation Army (NLA), a splinter of the Kosovo Liberation Army (KLA), also has another motive: It is fighting to keep control over the region's drug trafficking, which has grown into a large, lucrative enterprise since the Kosovo war. In addition to drug money, the NLA also has another prominent venture capitalist: Osama bin Laden. The Muslim terrorist leader, according to a document obtained by The Washington Times and written by the chief commander of the Macedonian Security Forces, puts out the front money for the rebel group through a representative in Macedonia: 'This person is representative of Osama Ben laden sic , who is the main financial supporter of the National Liberation Army, where up to date he has paid $6 million to $7 million for the needs of the National Liberation Army.'"

Just states the KLA were into drug money, and also OBL gave them money...

Mind you the US went to war with Serbia to prop up the KLA...... so.....

" I don't believe in hypothetical situations - it's kinda like lying to your brain "

" They don't hate America, they hate Americans " Homer Simpson

Lets party like its 1939

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Wednesday, September 16, 2009 1:44 PM

GINOBIFFARONI

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Originally posted by Niki2:
I agree; I don't hear "drug trafficker" used against many of our enemies. But many of our enemies might well use it against us...?

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I have heard it used with both Castro and Chavez

the invasion of Panama, in order to remove Noriega

Columbia ( likely to eliminate the competition )

hell, the same was used ( right or wrong ) in the Golden Triangle in the 1970's and 80's

" But many of our enemies might well use it against us...? "

because there is much truth to it...

US, propped up dictators, Israel,

foreign policy seems liked an unorganized crime drama sometimes

" I don't believe in hypothetical situations - it's kinda like lying to your brain "

" They don't hate America, they hate Americans " Homer Simpson

Lets party like its 1939

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Wednesday, September 16, 2009 1:53 PM

BYTEMITE

http://uncyclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/Disorganised_crime

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Wednesday, September 16, 2009 2:52 PM

FREMDFIRMA

Oh that's hi-larious - good description of our alphabet goons too.

And yes, Israels habit of using military, covert and intelligence/espionage assets to support their Ecstacy trade annoys the crap outta me.

-F

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Wednesday, September 16, 2009 3:37 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)

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Whatever we do is somewhat irrelevant, I use us neither as a primary information source nor a moral compass. I think everyone has suspected the CIA is in drug trafficking for years. The whole "port inspection" issue was about drugs.

Bingo. It's just the latest iteration of the old "Triangle Trade", whereby the alphabet boys bring the drugs into the U.S. (and no, they don't EVER get searched) to sell here in order to finance their other illegal little wars elsewhere. They actually view this as killing two enemies - the junkies here, and the enemy "over there", wherever that happens to be this week.

In Vietnam, it was heroin brought in, sold here, and used to finance off-the-books wars in places like Africa and the Middle East. In the 80s, it was coke brought in from Columbia, Bolivia, and Peru through Panama (How'd GHW Bush "know" Noriega was a drug dealer and money launderer? Because we'd been doing business with him for years!) and sold to finance our little ventures in places like Nicaragua and El Salvador (later it was moved into the crack cocaine trade, with inner-city blacks as the "target" audience, setting up gang wars pitting blacks against each other). Now it's heroin again, and the money's being used to finance more off-the-books adventures...

The game never changes, just the players and locations.

Mike

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And the smile signals emptiness
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