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Arrested for text messaging in skool

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Wednesday, February 18, 2009 10:33 AM

John Lee, conspiracy therapist at Hollywood award-winner History Channel-mocked SNL-spoofed PirateNew.org wooHOO!!!!!!

www.rawstory.com/news/2008/14yearold_student_arrested_for_texting_in_0
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That's what happens when skools are POW camps run by death squads, er, cops.

DON'T TALK TO COPS SAY COPS AND MARTHA STEWART.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6014022229458915912&q=&hl=en

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Wednesday, February 18, 2009 12:31 PM

FREMDFIRMA

That's just asinine, ya confiscate the phone and make her parents pick it up, and give both her and them a lecture - and then follow through with suspension if you have to.

And if I was an admin who caught a suspended student on the grounds, oh HELL NO I wouldn't have em cited, I'd put them back in class!

This student, however, from the description, has problems that are NOT going to be solvable by the school administration or justice system, neither of which is even capable of providing the help she needs.

What they are in detail I couldn't say, but there's also the fact that she was arrested for not "playing ball" which is gonna set a precedent in that kids head of an adversarial/confrontational relationship with school and legal authority which is GOING to escalate cause of how badly the situation was handled.

The student is in the wrong, and needs help of a type neither offered nor provided, and the school admin and police are in the wrong for completely bungling the situation, which in the long term is gonna escalate it instead of resolving it.

There's also that I would not exactly take the word of the admin or police as having any more value than the students, since they're well known to lie every bit as much especially when it comes to dealing with young people, look at what Brent Darrow had to deal with, yes ?

Students do not surrender their personhood and humanity when they enter the building, nor should they be expected to - and barring the most critical of incidents, a students parents should ALWAYS be present if they are to be searched, there's just no excuse for doing otherwise.

This smacks of a student with pre-existing problems that are being ignored or at least not addressed, compounded with an administration more concerned with their authority than their students, and typical cop-bully mentality.

It's a recipe for disaster, it always is.

-Frem

It cannot be said enough, those who do not learn from history, are doomed to endlessly repeat it

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Wednesday, February 18, 2009 12:37 PM

CHRISISALL

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Originally posted by Fremdfirma:

Students do not surrender their personhood and humanity when they enter the building

In Junior High, we did.
That was a suckfest.

"Thanks." -Hero, 2009

The laughing Chrisisall

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Wednesday, February 18, 2009 3:39 PM

PIRATENEWS

John Lee, conspiracy therapist at Hollywood award-winner History Channel-mocked SNL-spoofed PirateNew.org wooHOO!!!!!!

The problem here is COPS, a/k/a Police State DEATH SQUAD.

Immature principal and school board allowed DEATH SQUADS in the skools.

Immature teacher lost control of her classroom.

Immature teached invited a DEATH SQUAD into her classroom.

Immature cop, er, DEATH SQUAD treated this child as any other CROOK, by INTERROGATING her with LIES. All cops are REQUIRED to tell LIES as condition of employment.

This is very confusing to the interrogatee, and often result in false confessions, especially from children. And Martha Stewart.

Fifth Amendment to the US Constitution says STFU. But that's not taught in skool.

NEVER TALK TO COPS!!!

Girl is lucky the DEATH SQUAD didn't taser her to DEATH. Tasers increase deathrate 600%.
www.medscape.com/viewarticle/587624
www.pierretristam.com/Bobst/07/cn020707.htm

And beware that all skools are designed to lobotomize prisoners, er, "students".
www.deliberatedumbingdown.com/MomsPDFs/DDDoA.sml.pdf

Private boarding skools are designed to manufacture elite psychopaths for the Old World Odor. Like Joss - but it didn't take?

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"THERE IS NOTHING MORE DANGEROUS THAN PERSONAL INITIATIVE: if it has genius behind it, such initiative can do more than can be done by millions of people among whom we have sown discord. We must so direct the education of the GOYIM communities that whenever they come upon a matter requiring initiative they may drop their hands in despairing impotence. The strain which results from freedom of actions saps the forces when it meets with the freedom of another. From this collision arise grave moral shocks, disenchantments, failures. BY ALL THESE MEANS WE SHALL SO WEAR DOWN THE "GOYIM" THAT THEY WILL BE COMPELLED TO OFFER US INTERNATIONAL POWER OF A NATURE THAT BY ITS POSITION WILL ENABLE US WITHOUT ANY VIOLENCE GRADUALLY TO ABSORB ALL THE STATE FORCES OF THE WORLD AND TO FORM A SUPER-GOVERNMENT. In place of the rulers of to-day we shall set up a bogey which will be called the Super-Government Administration. Its hands will reach out in all directions like nippers and its organization will be of such colossal dimensions that it cannot fail to subdue all the nations of the world."
-Protocols of the Banksters of Zion, Protocol 4
www.biblebelievers.org.au/przion1.htm

"The people resemble a wild beast, which, naturally fierce and accustomed to live in the woods, has been brought up, as it were, in a prison and in servitude, and having by accident got its liberty, not being accustomed to search for its food, and not knowing where to conceal itself, easily becomes the prey of the first who seeks to incarcerate it again."
—Niccolo Machiavelli, The Prince
www.the-prince-by-machiavelli.com

“Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you; and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen.”
—Samuel Adams

"I didn't know we had so many pigs on the farm!"
-Johnny Knoxville, Dukes of Hazard

"It's madness, in point of fact."
-Police State Death Squad Cop, Serenity

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Thursday, February 19, 2009 3:34 AM

HERO

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Originally posted by Fremdfirma:

Students do not surrender their personhood and humanity when they enter the building

Did you even go to High School?

It was like prison...without the nice orange jumpsuits.

Legally its a simple issue and one thats been decided by the Supreme Court.

"It can hardly be argued that either students or teachers shed their constitutional rights to freedom of speech or expression at the schoolhouse gate." Tinker v. Des Moines School District (1969)

Students have full free speech rights. Does that mean they can text at will in class or be disruptive, etc? No. The Supreme Court has long recognized that reasoble time, place, and manner restraints can be applied to free speech. Hence not yelling "FIRE" in a crowded theater or blocking the streets with an spontanious demostration (without a permit).

Is a no texting rule reasonable? The test is several parts: Is the rule content neutral? Yes, all texting, not just a particular message.

Is the rule for a compelling govt interest? Yes, education requires attention, not just of the student, but it could be a distraction to others as well.

Is the rule narrowly tailored and limited in scope? Yes, the student is allowed to text as much as they want...just not at that particular time or place.

It should be noted that the student was not arrested for texting in class. She was arrested for Disorderly Conduct. That means she was violating a rule, was asked to stop, and refused to comply. Its the 'refusal to comply' that makes a broken rule a broken law.

H

"Hero. I have come to respect you"- Chrisisall, 2009.

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Thursday, February 19, 2009 3:36 AM

HERO

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Originally posted by piratenews:
That's what happens when skools are POW camps run by death squads, er, cops.

I read the article and the Police Report on Smoking Gun.

Nobody mentions the student being captured in combat or her execution. Please cite your source.

H

"Hero. I have come to respect you"- Chrisisall, 2009.

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Thursday, February 19, 2009 10:01 AM

FREMDFIRMA

Zero, I happen to be pointing out that the legal system isn't capable of resolving the problems that lead to that disorderly conduct in the first place - nor should it try.

Sure, in the short term, the issue has been resolved, but it sets up an adversarial condition that *will*, almost without a doubt, lead to further, escalating confrontations which will waste more time and effort on a problem that simply cannot be resolved that way.

And it inspires a lack of respect for law and law enforcement not only in the student described, but all witnesses to the matter since it really was a gross overreaction to the situation at hand, and as such will firmly imprint the image of police as bullies into the minds of the rest of the class, leading to even more potential confrontations down the road, wasting more time and effort.

All of which could have been averted by the legal requirements of having the students parents present during the search, something which might help define if not resolve the problem, and suggest other avenues of resolution like counselling or family therapy.

Yes, the student was being disruptive, and this is a problem, but focusing on the WHY rather than the HOW is far more likely to solve the problem in the long term and save a lotta needless hassle for everyone.

Even you understand that.

As for the rest, barring all but the most critical of situations, the parents SHOULD be present if a minor is to be searched, and this wasn't one of em - rather than making a spectacle in mid class, disrupting it even further, they should have simply escorted her to the office and contacted her parents, which if done in a professional and respectful manner, with an explaination to the student and parents by the officer(s) in question, would come off better as a neutral party appropriately doing their job, than the adversarial perspective of 'hired goons'.

If you want people to obey the law, perception is important, especially to teens who are already naturally mistrustful of authority figures because they're at an age when they're questioning the rules and limits of civilized society - professional conduct and respect, something police officers in general seem to have forgotten, goes a long way towards defusing potential future conflicts before they land in your courtroom.

And wouldn't it be nice to have nothing to do, even though you still get paid, ehe ?

Using the justice system on a problem like this is like using a screwdriver to change a spark plug, it's the wrong tool for the job, isn't gonna work, and the harder you apply it, the more damage you'll do trying.

And you know that every bit as well as I do.

-Frem

It cannot be said enough, those who do not learn from history, are doomed to endlessly repeat it

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