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Why the EU can't be too hard on the US

POSTED BY: GEEZER
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Friday, July 11, 2008 10:33 AM

GEEZER

Keep the Shiny side up


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An investigation by the International Institute For Strategic Studies found that only 2.7% of military personnel were ready for overseas operations.


http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7499579.stm


In other words, if the EU gets into a shooting war they'll need the US or Britian, as usual, to provide combat-ready troops to pull them out of a hole.


"Keep the Shiny side up"

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Friday, July 11, 2008 10:59 AM

CITIZEN


Technically, Britain is part of the EU. It says France is important too.



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Friday, July 11, 2008 11:03 AM

KHYRON


Or seen another way, the EU has every right to be hard on the US if the US gets itself involved in an unnecessary war and it isn't able to spend its resources in areas where they're needed more.

And how likely is it that the EU will become involved in a shooting war anyway?

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Friday, July 11, 2008 11:23 AM

CITIZEN


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Originally posted by Khyron:
And how likely is it that the EU will become involved in a shooting war anyway?

About the same as a French man not smelling of Garlic.



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Friday, July 11, 2008 11:53 AM

GEEZER

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Originally posted by citizen:
Technically, Britain is part of the EU. It says France is important too.



Yep. France handles the surrendering and collaboration part.

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Friday, July 11, 2008 11:53 AM

GEEZER

Keep the Shiny side up


Quote:

Originally posted by citizen:
Technically, Britain is part of the EU. It says France is important too.



Yep. France handles the surrendering and collaboration part.

"Keep the Shiny side up"

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Friday, July 11, 2008 11:53 AM

GEEZER

Keep the Shiny side up


Is there an echo in here?

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Friday, July 11, 2008 12:12 PM

CITIZEN


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Originally posted by Geezer:
Is there an echo in here?

Sayin' it twice twice, don't make it no smarter smarter.

Anyway. The French have a long history of losing wars and then getting the Americans to come in and fight them for them, with mixed results. Either way, it's a useful life skill.



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Friday, July 11, 2008 12:19 PM

FREMDFIRMA


Well, there wasn't, but when the French retreated they took all the chairs with them, so now there is.

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Friday, July 11, 2008 12:35 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


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In other words, if the EU gets into a shooting war they'll need the US or Britian, as usual, to provide combat-ready troops to pull them out of a hole.
Like we've got any to spare.


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Friday, July 11, 2008 12:52 PM

FLETCH2


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Originally posted by Khyron:


And how likely is it that the EU will become involved in a shooting war anyway?

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Pretty good I think. We've been doing it without significant interruption for the last 2000 years.

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Friday, July 11, 2008 1:12 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


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Originally posted by Fletch2:
Quote:

Originally posted by Khyron:


And how likely is it that the EU will become involved in a shooting war anyway?

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Pretty good I think. We've been doing it without significant interruption for the last 2000 years.



Yup-yup. And things aren't getting better, what with the US wanting to install missile-intercept systems in the Czech Republic, and Russia saying that they will respond not diplomatically, but militarily, to any such threat. If they hold to that, then there's every likelihood that the EU could get sucked into the middle of yet another shooting war.

Sadly, I think that this is exactly the kind of thing Bush WANTS - for everyone to be at war with everyone else!

Mike

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Friday, July 11, 2008 1:21 PM

GINOBIFFARONI


Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:
Quote:

Originally posted by Fletch2:
Quote:

Originally posted by Khyron:


And how likely is it that the EU will become involved in a shooting war anyway?

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Pretty good I think. We've been doing it without significant interruption for the last 2000 years.



Yup-yup. And things aren't getting better, what with the US wanting to install missile-intercept systems in the Czech Republic, and Russia saying that they will respond not diplomatically, but militarily, to any such threat. If they hold to that, then there's every likelihood that the EU could get sucked into the middle of yet another shooting war.

Sadly, I think that this is exactly the kind of thing Bush WANTS - for everyone to be at war with everyone else!

Mike

"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence[sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero, Real World Event Discussions

I can't help the sinking feeling that my country is now being run by people who read "1984" not as a cautionary tale, but rather as an instruction manual. - Michael Mock

The Myrmidons were an ancient nation of very brave and skilled warriors as described in Homer's Iliad, and were commanded by Achilles. - Wikipedia



Plus the fact 68% of czechs don't want the US in there.....



Lets party like its 1939

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Friday, July 11, 2008 1:27 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


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Plus the fact 68% of czechs don't want the US in there.....



Well, yeah, but since when have other countries known what's in their best interests? Only the US knows what's good for you. Did you miss a memo? I'm pretty sure we sent one out. I'll make sure you get another copy of it.

(You will of course recognize this as a joke...)




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Sunday, July 13, 2008 9:27 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


While Yurp/Med had the strongest economies, I've heard of the Spanish Empire, the British Empire, the French Empire, the Third Reich, Greek Empire, Roman Empire, Franco-Russian War, and something called The War To End All Wars, and the sequel, WWII, not to mention the Yugoslavs can't wait to kill each other all over again.

Then, following WWII, the U.S. became the world economic power, and the world babysitter.
Vietnam (vs USSR/China), Korea (vs USSR/China), and now sprouting peaceful allegiances in the Mideast, don't really compare the the carnage wrought when Yurp/Med is the econimic power.

Now the EU is returning the world's economic power to Yurp.

Quote:

Originally posted by Khyron:

And how likely is it that the EU will become involved in a shooting war anyway?



Seems a foregone proposition.
Find a Chamberlain to solve the problems.

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Monday, July 14, 2008 12:22 AM

NEWOLDBROWNCOAT


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Originally posted by Khyron:

And how likely is it that the EU will become involved in a shooting war anyway?



The EU members have, in the past, generally gone to war with each other. So maybe not so likely.

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Monday, July 14, 2008 7:45 AM

ANTHONYT

Freedom is Important because People are Important


Hello,

Is there some reason we like to bash the French?

Wasn't their support critical for winning our war of Independence against the British?

Weren't French citizens fighting in resistance cells helpful towards recapturing France from their occupiers during WWII?

I can't remember what the French did, exactly, that should encourage us to hold such enmity against them?

--Anthony

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Monday, July 14, 2008 10:27 AM

PHOENIXROSE

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Originally posted by AnthonyT:
I can't remember what the French did, exactly, that should encourage us to hold such enmity against them?


They may have helped us in our war for independence (which they didn't have to do, really) and the war against the Nazis (which was obviously in their best interest, to be fair) but they wanted nothing to do with Iraq. Clearly they are craven bastards, every one of them.

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Monday, July 14, 2008 10:40 AM

MIIKE


the problem with the e.u. is that it is very similar to the u.n with a group of disparate nations held together by not much apart from economic intrests .i think youll find that if sarcozy would have been in power at the time of the iraq war france would have been involved.plus the french helped america in the war of independence not for truly altruistic reasons as disposeing of the british opened up a huge market for france which then had no tariffs to pay on imports.the french have a worse history than british for tyranny against other countries Algeria anyone

im just going out,i may be some time

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Monday, July 14, 2008 11:03 AM

CITIZEN


Quote:

Originally posted by AnthonyT:
Hello,

Is there some reason we like to bash the French?

Wasn't their support critical for winning our war of Independence against the British?

Weren't French citizens fighting in resistance cells helpful towards recapturing France from their occupiers during WWII?

I can't remember what the French did, exactly, that should encourage us to hold such enmity against them?

Say that again living in Britain where you can smell them across the channel.



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Monday, July 14, 2008 11:18 AM

KHYRON


AnthonyT, the French speak a horrible language in which they mispronounce one half of a word and don't pronounce the other half, they gesticulate wildly during their ostentatious conversations and their idea of a meal is bread with a choice of 50 different sorts of cheese, eaten over a period of several hours while talking about nothing and being incredibly pretentious while doing so.

They also had the nerve to make Americans call freedom fries "French fries", but this is one horrible mistake that the law-giver corrected.

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Monday, July 14, 2008 11:22 AM

MIIKE


they dont call them french fries in france they call them le pomme frites. while swallowing whole garlic cloves

im just going out,i may be some time

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Monday, July 21, 2008 10:59 AM

FREMDFIRMA


Everyone mocks the French, hell, even the FRENCH mock the French...

That bein said, they've been fairly decent allies even when their country was half conquered, sent the Legion to assist us in WWI, helped us fight for our own *WITHOUT* immediately maneuvering us into a position for them to take over during the Revolution....

And they built, and sent us, the Statue of Liberty, an American Icon that (in theory) defines all that we are, and is placed prominently in our culture forevermore.

Yes, the Statue of Liberty is, essentially, a French chick holding Americas ideals in her hands to display them to all the world as something to be prideful, and respectful, of.

NEVER forget that.

That all bein said, I still mock the French, cause they're like Americas weird, geeky little brother, you can't not do it.

I also point out that they have been, in the past 200 or so years, a bit smarter than us - they lopped off the heads of *their* imperialistic, neocon elites, and for many years thereafter, did not have to deal with the problems the bastards have caused us during the same time period.

-Frem

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Thursday, July 24, 2008 12:00 PM

MIIKE


? Think it would look cooler like this.oh an about the french they built the prison john mccain was kept in ,in veitnam in 1896 just waiting for presidential hopeful mccain heres a pic if you look close you can still see him in there

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