Cobras versus Cops on the Dragon by piratenews

Interesting, and I might have to go through that area soon... wonder if the ole Bollix still works.

Be kinda funny watchin em tear their hair out when alla their Radar and RF-based equipment goes apeshit on em - any streetlights on that stretch, PN ?

Might have some fun with em, but I wouldn't wanna cause an accident cause of it.

-F

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Tuesday, August 28, 2007 2:44 AM

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Originally posted by piratenews:
Bears are now in hunting season... Section 1983 class actions are in the works, with Affidavits of Probable Cause for Criminal Complaints against cops. Traffic tickets are FUN! Especially when suing them against copsters.

Bet you can't cite a single successful case...but me, I do at least 5 or 6 a week and several of those go to trial and I win...EVERY time. Unless the officer does not show up. Then I win a little less.

The rules are simple. If you speed you might get caught, if you get caught your likely to be found guilty. You can't sue the police for doing their job and in every community their job includes traffic enforcement.

I don't know about Tennessee, but in Ohio the speed itself is not dispositive of the issue (except on highways). The question is if the speed travelling was "unsafe for the road conditions". You can be going over the posted speed limit and prevail (yes, its rare) in this issue or going under it and lose all depending on the conditions you find. In other words the State of Ohio expects drivers to BE CAREFUL. I suspect Tennessee is of a similar mindset.

H

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Tuesday, August 28, 2007 12:14 PM

Scuse me while I call bullshit, Hero.

When I was 19, I was driving down MD Rt2 Ritchie Hwy aka The Meat Grinder, at approx 33mph, a little under the limit in fact, which of course pissed off the traffic behind me in the far right lane cause let's face it, nobody obeys the limit, really... and I was being so cautious because North Anne Arundel County cops *hate* baltimore residents, which is typical of suburbia cops bordering a large major city, right ?

Just past the Rt10 interchange, in the MIDDLE of the road rather than on the side, on the downhill approaching the farmers market is a sign changing the speed limit to 45mph, and my car was at the top of this hill going down when I spotted the cop pulling out of farmers market, a quick check of the speedo, 33mph, and I wait till I am PAST that damn sign and take it up to 40mph, being passed repeatedly but cars clearing 45+ and acclerating, but no, the cop locks eyes with ME, and spotting my youth, begins to follow me.

I keep an eye on my speed and the road, concerned he might bumper-camp me, this being a favorite trick, where they follow you at six inches or so encouraging you to go faster till they can bust you, or cause them to bump you by slowing down, or just make you nervous enough to screw up so they can hand you a ticket - it's a fuckin GAME to them and they think this shit's funny.

He doesn't even bother, but pops the lights as I come off the entrance ramp to Rte10, and lo and behold, hands me a goddamn ticket for 56mph in a 35mph, conveniently ONE mph enough to go for the big fine, isn't that nice.... in spite of the fact that I flat did NOT do it, and hell yes I took it to court, whereupon I was treated as a low life punk for no better reason than my age, and watched said cop lie through his goddamn teeth to the judge, and not even convincingly.

Judge smiles and nods, cop smiles and nods, and everyone knows the score, sure... but oh it gets better, in SPITE of that goddamn sign, which clearly says 45mph, the ACTUAL speed limit of that area is STILL 35mph for almost another mile or so, until you get to the bridge at the top of the other hill, in spite of what the sign says, isn't that cute ? and bringing a polaroid of the sign clearly showing it's location didn't help matters a bit - and for daring to stand up against malicious and blatant theft, extortion and abuse from the state for the sake of money got me hit with court costs on top of it.

While perhaps not so extreme a scam as that, most traffic tickets are to some degree or other pure bullshit extortion by a predatory police force victimizing the very public they claim to protect, meh, it's a "protection" RACKET is what it is, and revenue-generation by extortion, and that's ALL it is.

But justice did get done that day, oh yes it did, His Honor had a right nice set of rims, which, when fenced, paid the fine quite handily.

When the Law becomes a predator, not everyone is content to remain it's victim - and watching you celebrate being on top in a rigged system designed to provide revenues for the state at the expense of the peoples rights and safety is part of why I treat you like the bottom feeding government-trough gobbler that you are, just so you know.

-Frem

It cannot be said enough, those who do not learn from history, are doomed to endlessly repeat it

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Tuesday, August 28, 2007 4:59 PM

THUNDAR

OK, "The Gap" is an attraction to Sport Bikes. It's a very twisty stretch of road that people test their limits on. Unfortunately, there have been several fatalities recently and that's why the cops are really cracking down on it.

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Tuesday, August 28, 2007 5:25 PM

So, in essence, PR and revenue generation.

I wonder how many folk ever year pile up cause they're watchin their speedometer instead of the road... and I can show in no uncertain terms that red light cameras actually cause more accidents, and are considered a revenue-generator rather than public safety measure.

Sure, you've got some wackos that don't need to be on the road, but did it ever even once occur to the powers that be that perhaps those trusted with a drivers license, who bend over for the legally mandated monopoly car insurance and fees and inspections and emissions and paperwork and all the other bullshit, might, yanno... actually be trusted to fucking OPERATE the vehicle unsupervised by big daddy law enforcement ?

I can see a purpose in cops taking a downright wacko off the road, sure, but this nit-pickery revenue generation bullshit is just pure extortion racket, always was, always will be.

Tell me, they still having DPW plant bushes in front of the speed limit sign down there, or did too many folks finally figure out that little scam ?

-Frem

It cannot be said enough, those who do not learn from history, are doomed to endlessly repeat it

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Tuesday, August 28, 2007 5:47 PM

AURAPTOR

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Frem wrote: .... I can show in no uncertain terms that red light cameras actually cause more accidents, and are considered a revenue-generator rather than public safety measure.

The one time I got nailed by one of those, I had no idea it was even there. I was stopped at a divided 4 lane and I saw the cars on the other side start to go, so I went too. Turns out, the N.bound side had a turn signal that went green, while I was heading S.bound. Traffic was light, so I didn't even consider that my light hadn't changed yet, and since there weren't any cars turning from the N.bound lanes, I just rolled on through.

I will say that the photos were quite impressive. One, a wide angle view, clearly shows me caught dead to rights, moving under the red light. The second, a close up on my plate was very clear.

Now, at larger intersections, I look for those big white boxes which house the cams. I'll know not to even test the system again.

People love a happy ending. So every episode, I will explain once again that I don't like people. And then Mal will shoot someone. Someone we like. And their puppy. - Joss

" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "

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Tuesday, August 28, 2007 7:51 PM

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I thought you guys would like that combat vid. Like driving in downtown Bagdad. Death squads and carnage everywhere you turn. The cops routinely drive in the wrong lane, because you drive where you look, and cops are looking at bikes, so the cops drive stright at them, which is disturbing in blind curves.

If THP don't kill you, they rape you during traffic stops. Literally. On video.
www.piratenews.org/police-porn-video-barbie-cummings.html

THP killed a biker kid just last week. That's what pit maneuvers are for - summary execution of bikers.
www.tricities.com/tristate/tri/news.apx.-content-articles-TRI-2007-08-
21-0028.html

Speeding carries the death penalty in TN, even for cops riding their bikes to work.
www.geocities.com/american_motorcycle_assn/copmurderscyclecop2001.html
www.bikernet.com/rights/archive.asp?Article=121902

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"I've seen a lot of outrageous things happen in politics since I've been working here, but this tops them all. It's the equivalent of issuing a series of O.J. Simpson autographed steak knives. And no, this isn't a joke. Here's the new rule: Kill a biker, get a highway named after you. As a tourist who has spent a lot of family vacation dollars in Sen. Clabough's district, if those signs go up, you'll never see another penny of mine in Knox or Blount counties."
-Greg Harrison, Vice President of Communications for American Motorcyclist Association, American Motorcyclist magazine, "A Monumental Mistake", June 1999

“Please read the enclosure that presents the facts by someone involved in the investigation of this tragic accident. I grew up knowing Sen. Koella for the last 30 years. The bill has been passed and signed. There is NOTHING you can do to change that, and if you choose not to come to Tennessee, we will be better off without you.”
-Senator Bill Clabough, American Motorcyclist Association, American Motorcyclist magazine, Greg Harrison Column: Contemptible, September 1999

www.ama-cycle.org/terrybarnard/index.html
www.geocities.com/american_motorcycle_association/koella.html

No traffic stops required for summary execution, just ram them anytime you want, and TN legislature will even name a highway in your honor.

Cops execute over 500 US citizens every year during civil service of process for frivolous civil lawsuits for alleged breach of driver license contract, including 1/3rd innocent bystanders.
www.aaafoundation.org/pdf/policepursuit.cfm

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Originally posted by Fremdfirma:
Interesting, and I might have to go through that area soon... wonder if the ole Bollix still works.

Be kinda funny watchin em tear their hair out when alla their Radar and RF-based equipment goes apeshit on em - any streetlights on that stretch, PN ?

Might have some fun with em, but I wouldn't wanna cause an accident cause of it.

-F

No streetlights, just millions of trees and blind curves sheiled by mountains. So RADAR never works... And chases just crash cops, with 600-foot cliffs without guardrails. Hence the Police State Surge with 18 cops for 11 miles. Radio 100 yards ahead and the road is blocked in a blind curve.

Thus the copsters just make up fake RADAR speeds, whether RADAR was on or off. One trooper got his ass handed to him by the judge, who ordered his arrest for perjury, when a deputy testified the trooper didn't even turn his RADAR on. This was told to me by the defense lawyer. Scumbag prosecutors refused to seek indictment by the grand jury, and cops refuse to enforce that arrest warrant. But that trooper will never testify in that courthouse again.

I'm in the process of getting the transcript on that case, to use as an exhibit with Brady/Jencks/Giglio "motions to compel discovery or dismiss the case".

What's really interesting is that the assistant director of the Great Smoky Mountain National Park showed me the new map in 2007, where state cops have no jurisdiction on US129 Dragon, since the feds annexed it (I recorded the conversation). So all 1,000 traffic ticket cases are illegal, which not only waivers soverign immunity for the cops, but also for the prosecutors and judges...

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Originally posted by piratenews:
Bears are now in hunting season... Section 1983 class actions are in the works, with Affidavits of Probable Cause for Criminal Complaints against cops. Traffic tickets are FUN! Especially when suing them against copsters.

Bet you can't cite a single successful case...but me, I do at least 5 or 6 a week and several of those go to trial and I win...EVERY time. Unless the officer does not show up. Then I win a little less.

The rules are simple. If you speed you might get caught, if you get caught your likely to be found guilty. You can't sue the police for doing their job and in every community their job includes traffic enforcement.

I don't know about Tennessee, but in Ohio the speed itself is not dispositive of the issue (except on highways). The question is if the speed travelling was "unsafe for the road conditions". You can be going over the posted speed limit and prevail (yes, its rare) in this issue or going under it and lose all depending on the conditions you find. In other words the State of Ohio expects drivers to BE CAREFUL. I suspect Tennessee is of a similar mindset.

H

TN has "absolute" speed limits, while Ohio has absolute on interstates and "presumed" on state roads. That's because TN has no gutsy lawyers willing to set precedent on appeals, and/or TN prosecutors are crooks who voluntarily dismiss their cases before a precedent gets set by the TN Supreme Court (Onks versus City of Cookville TN, unpublished Westlaw, 1993 WL 398472, Tenn.App.,1993., Oct. 1, 1993).
www.geocities.com/parking_ticket_appeal/onks_v_city_of_cookville_tn.ht
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This case proved that all parking meters are unconstitutional under the Equal Protection doctrine, since when govt employees get free parking (judges), then everyone gets free parking. So Cookeville "voluntarily dismissed" their "victorious" case before losing in supreme court, then "voluntarily" removed all parking meters in Cookville. All parking tickets lack mandatory personal service of process and can be thrown in the trash, which is what lawyers Onks and Burgess did to 200 of their own parking tickets. Cookville Muni corp got greedy and sued, and got their ass whupped.

All speed limits are bogus and contrary to the US Constitution, especially on rural roads. All US citizens have a Constitutionally guaranteed God-given Natural right to travel by driving any vehicle or animal (for non-commercial purposes "not for hire"), or walking. TN does NOT require illegal aliens to have driver licenses, but did sell fake ID "Mexican-language driver certificates" to 250,000 illegal aliens since 9/11/2001, without deporting them.

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"Congress cannot pass laws that are contrary to the Constitution, and it is the role of the Federal courts to interpret what the Constitution permits. It is also not entirely unworthy of observation, that in declaring what shall be the supreme law of the land, the constitution itself is first mentioned; and not the laws of the United States generally, but those only which shall be made in pursuance of the constitution, have that rank. Thus, the particular phraseology of the constitution of the United States confirms and strengthens the principle, supposed to be essential to all written constitutions, that a law repugnant to the constitution is void, and that courts, as well as other departments, are bound by that instrument."
-US Supreme Court, Marbury v. Madison, 5 U.S. (1 Cranch) 137 (1803)
http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/scripts/getcase.pl?navby=CASE&court=US&v
ol=5&page=137
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marbury_v._Madison

US govt research proved in the 1960s that speeding is SIX TIMES SAFER than driving a posted speed limit, as Ralph Nader quoted in his book, Unsafe At Any speed -- The Designed-In Dangers Of The American Automobile.

I've personally sued a class action against police under Section 1983 in fed court, in both their individual and official capacities. I also filed felony car-theft and fraud charges against the cops, sgts and commanders, among many other crimes. Over 100 police contractors and employees were fired as a result, including the city court clerk, who I personally subpoenaed and BBQed on the witness stand.
www/geocities.com/parking_ticket_appeal
www.piratenews.org/affidavit-criminal-complaint13jun05.htm

Special city council sessions were held to BBQ the world's #1 towcrime trial lawyer and fire his 5 towing client corporations for fraud on 100% of their contracts, and the city even filed their own class action quoting my lawsuit verbatim. That was mayor Victor Victoria Ashe's last week in office, before his lover Bush Jr promoted him to ambassador of Poland, to run his CIA torture camps. My felony charges were also filed against Ashe.

Here's a current Section 1983 class action filed in that same fed court in Knoxville TN, for refund of 100,000s of bogus traffic tickets. The city cops and city courts have now been replaced by corporate Robocops from AUSTRALIA, which of course is treason, a crime punishable by death, even for govt employees "just doing their job" of overthrowing USA.

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"COMES now Plaintiff to hereby sue the above parties as a result of the unlawfully deprives or hinders her access to the courts, a civil right, on August 8, 2006, when she was sent a City of Knoxville, Tennessee, Red Light Photo Enforcement Program Notice of Violation/Citation, although innocent. That in committing the acts alleged herein, Defendants, acting in concert, committed the act of civil conspiracy, under state law and 42 U.S.C. § 1985, by agreeing to act together to harm the Plaintiff, and other members of the public, each acting for the purpose of promoting or facilitating the commission of harm against Plaintiff, agreeing that one or more will engage in these acts. Plaintiff seeks an award of $1,000,000.00 in compensatory damages. That punitive damages are appropriate in an amount to be calculated."
—David Hamiliton, attorney at law, class action lawsuit to refund millions of dollars in robocop traffic tickets, JUDY WILLIAMS, plaintiff, vs REDFLEX TRAFFIC SYSTEMS INC., CITY OF KNOXVILLE, TENNESSEE, BILL HASLAM as MAYOR OF THE CITY OF KNOXVILLE, TENNESSEE, KNOXVILLE CITY COUNCIL, REDFLEX TRAFFIC SYSTEMS INC., d/b/a WWW.PHOTONOTICE.COM, MICHAEL L. SULLIVAN, and UNKNOWN, Defendants; Case No.: 3:06cv400; UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT, FOR THE EASTERN DISTRICT OF TENNESSEE, AT KNOXVILLE, filed October 16, 2006
www.dbhamilton.com/amendedcomplaint.jsp
www.piratenews.org/kill-robocops.html

"On February 3, 1999, the district court found that the conduct of the FDIC and the U.S. Attorney's Office had been vexatious and granted the Hollands' motion for attorney's fees and costs pursuant to the Hyde Amendment. The United States appeals from the district court's denial of its motion for reconsideration of the district court's decision to award attorney's fees and costs to a criminal defendant under the Hyde Amendment, a federal statute that permits courts to award attorney's fees and costs to individuals who were subjected to a vexatious prosecution. For the reasons that follow, we affirm the district court's denial of the United States' motion for reconsideration. Because we conclude that the Hyde Amendment proceedings are civil in nature, we do not address the question whether, in the criminal context, an appeal from a motion for reconsideration always raises the underlying order for appellate review. Two other Court of Appeals have addressed this issue. See United States v. Robbins, 179 F.3d 1268, 1270 (10th Cir. 1999) (holding, without explanation, that the Federal Rules of Criminal Procedure apply to Hyde Amendment proceedings); United States v. Truesdale, F.3d , 2000 WL 554543 (5th Cir. May 5, 2000) (holding that an appeal from the denial of fees under the Hyde Amendment is subject to the appeal period applicable in civil cases)."
-Judge Moon, UNITED STATES COURT OF APPEALS FOR THE FOURTH CIRCUIT, US v HOLLAND, 2000
http://laws.findlaw.com/4th/996823p.html

US DISTRICT COURT BILL OF COSTS HANDBOOK
www.cacd.uscourts.gov/CACD/FilingProc.nsf/f886c79ce9bf9384882567c50080
5718/f530515c88ba023c882567c500805ef0?OpenDocument

US DISTRICT COURT BILL OF COSTS FORM
www.uscourts.gov/forms/AO133.pdf

It seems the key to winning attorney fees in a criminal case is winning the probable cause hearing, either before or after a grand jury indictment. Winning a trial is only good enough for winning court costs and witness expenses.

The key to winning any traffic trial is not volunteering as the prosecution's star witness, by waivering the 5th Amendment right to shut up. Videotaping and audiotaping your traffic stops also makes winning a lot easier. Reading the Essential Elements in the statute, reading the state UCC statutes for contracts voided by duress and fraud, and reading the Rules of Procedure is essential to victory.

Comprehending that govt is run by criminals for criminals helps the entire process make perfect sense.

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Tuesday, August 28, 2007 8:27 PM

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Originally posted by Thundar:
OK, "The Gap" is an attraction to Sport Bikes. It's a very twisty stretch of road that people test their limits on. Unfortunately, there have been several fatalities recently and that's why the cops are really cracking down on it.

The 3 deaths occurred DURING the police crackdown. So did the truck rolling upside down at 5 mph, because the govt refuses to ban trucks on US129, like already banned on US441.

Truck driver blamed a biker, because the biker dared stay in the biker's lane

CRASH CAUSE #1

The deaths are due to lack of proper warning signs at "DIPs" in the blind curves, which catch the tourists. There are over 250 curves in that 11 miles, one-way. There's perhaps a dozen curves which seem to cause most of the crashes.

Govts are routinely forced to pay for injuries due to defective highways.
www.tsc.state.tn.us/opinions/tca/PDF/963/burgessr.pdf

CRASH CAUSE #2

www.cafepress.com/piratenews.32376659

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"The path between straight-line motion and free equilibrium turn requires an initial steering motion OPPOSITE that of the steady turn. Motorcycle riders in these accidents showed significant collision avoidance problems. Most riders would over brake and skid the rear wheel, and under brake the front when greatly reducing collision avoidance deceleration. The ability to COUNTER STEER and swerve was essentially absent."
-Dr. Harry Hurt, US DOT, NHTSA, "Motorcyccle Accident Cause Factors and Identification of Countermeasures", 1981
www.motorbyte.com/mmm/pages/safety/safety37.htm
www.geocities.com/american_motorcycle_association/crashcures.html

90% of all bike crashes in USA are due to not knowing that all bikes Countersteer. Every bike rider knows how to subconsciously countersteer. But in an emergency, they try to steer like a trike or car, which makes the bike unable to deviate from a straight line. Countersteering is not taught in any drivers ed class or kidergarten, and is not a question on any govt biker license test.

CRASH CAUSE #3

Ambulances are not govt services. Rural Metro Corporation ambulance service contract has UNLIMITED response time, so riders die due to lack of medical care. Rural Metro is a multi-TRILLION-dollar international corporation with international stockholders. So profit is more important than lives. Police 911 dradio dispatchers have no idea how many ambulance crews are on duty, since the ambulance crews have their own private dispatch offices. Rural Metro routinely pays $500,000/year in fines here in Knox County TN, when over 10 minutes late. Now Knox Rural Metro is causing car crashes by speeding through RED lights (illegal to not stop even with lights and siren on), because RM won't hire more crews (they just drive faster). But Blount County on the Dragon can take 1 hour for an ambulance.

Wasting $100,000s for 18 cops on overtime, while not spending anything on ambulance service, does NOTHING to improve safety. Cops NEVER provide first aid to crash victims. Blount County sheriff dept has LOST 48 vehicles THIS YEAR.... Where are those cars?

CRASH CAUSE #4

Defective guardarails installed by mafia contractors on the Dragon, with posts only 1-foot deep (required to be 4-feet deep), and not covering the part of the cliff where bikers crash at 5mph (failure to countersteer).
www.smokymountainriders.com/viewtopic.php?p=3627

CRASH CAUSE #5

One of these 3 deaths were a husband and wife decapitated when their trike tipped over trying to dodge an SUV crossing the centerline towing a boat. Trikes are unstable during emergency maneuvers and should be banned. Reverse trikes are okay (2 wheels in front).
www.smokymountainriders.com/viewtopic.php?t=376

CRASH CAUSE #6

Ban all commercial tractor trailers, or require flag vehicles on the Dragon, as currently done on US441 in TN.

Sportbikers are the real cops on the Dragon, trying to fix the safety issues and police bad riders. I personally got TDOT to finally paint lines on the road in one Dead Man's Curve on 129.

Wearing full body armor would save many lives and serious injuries. Cops and Harley riders NEVER wear full protection. Only sportbike riders care about safety -- IF they wear competition-grade leathers.

I interviewed a girl this week who paid $650,000 for her road rash. Wearing a bikini while surfing the pavement at 120mph is not fun. Now she's sponsored by the armor corps. I'll have that video posted this week, if my computer will quit crashing.

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Tuesday, August 28, 2007 9:08 PM

Not sure I buy into all that, but I do know that cause #1 of accidents is....

Folks not knowing how to friggin DRIVE.

Trikes especially, folks think they're easier to drive than a bike, nope - they do NOT operate by the principles of a car nor a motorcycle, it's whole different thing and truly oughta require a whole different licensing and testing, and how do I know ?

Cause I drive one, albeit a homemade one with a mere 68cc's pushing it, but I do know how to snaphand, tail-shimmy, cut an angle, and all the things you *SHOULD* know before rolling one out into traffic - and I don't do leather, but I do wear a light set of motorcross armor and a good helment, both of which have saved my life several times... and I wear a helmet by choice rather than force of law, mind.

As for the PIT maneuver, back when I was in security we did have a related training class that dealt with such things, and in an emergency situation - say a car fulla homies who've mistaken you for someone they wanna piece of*, you hold your line till they clear your rear bumper and decelerate sharply while flicking the wheel quickly away from, then towards them and pull hard while stomping the gas, this will cause them to overshoot and come up at an angle, and you will bat them out of the way without disabling your vehicle.

Of course, that's for cars, motorcycles best defense is size and speed.

The dragon's bad enough, but the part I am kinda dreading is having to cut through the region made famous by the old trucking song Nitro Express, those are some badass hills to be takin in the dark, which it usually is by the time I get to em.

-Frem
*Yes, this actually happened, but it was Rays old grey early-80's Mercury Zephyr, a nasty block of old school detroit unibody steel, versus a late model Honda Accord, and it was no contest whatsoever, we prolly coulda just run OVER them had we wanted to.

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Wednesday, August 29, 2007 2:27 AM

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Originally posted by Fremdfirma:
While perhaps not so extreme a scam as that, most traffic tickets are to some degree or other pure bullshit extortion by a predatory police force victimizing the very public they claim to protect, meh, it's a "protection" RACKET is what it is, and revenue-generation by extortion, and that's ALL it is.

I note for the record that I was refering to Ohio and you to Maryland. Perhaps in Maryland things are different.

First of all I hear that crap all the time. I heard it from my own mouth when I got stopped.

We hear the 'you hate people from 'insert local rich, white suburb'. Or you target drivers from 'insert local black major city'. Or you target folk from out of state. Or you target bikers, red cars, black people (although how you tell a driver is black from 500 yards away and at night through tinted windows...), whatever. Truth is your all right. My City targets every one of those groups and if anyone from those groups or any other groups is speeding they will be pulled over. Thats not unfair...thats treating everyone the same by strictly enforcing traffic laws.

I've been out on ride alongs. We don't have to make things up or cheat cause, like you admitted, most everyone speeds, so catching speeders is easy.

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- and watching you celebrate being on top in a rigged system designed to provide revenues for the state at the expense of the peoples rights and safety is part of why I treat you like the bottom feeding government-trough gobbler that you are, just so you know.

You may have had a bad experiance, I don't know. I don't think my last ticket was fair either. But I was guilty.

And of course I celebrate. I worked hard and have a good job serving the community in a meaningful way. I love my job...at least right now, last night when I was hear an extra four hours dealing with a couple dead folks (murder-suicide), it got a bit annoying, I missed Big Brother.

H

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Wednesday, August 29, 2007 3:22 AM

I wasn't, and still got burned, and this is a thing so common no one even mentions it anymore.

Firstoff, we have so many laws on the books, many of them directly contradictory to each other, that you cannot live one day of a normal life without breaking a handful of them, and when even people who've gone to law school for YEARS don't know or comprehend them all, how the hell is joe sixpack supposed to ?

Secondly, the entire court system is a rigged game from the start, you like it cause you don't have to DO jack shit, the state controls it all, from the venue, to what witnesses and evidence can and cannot be presented, and will cherry pick its case up to and including violation of the discovery process, since there's never any penalty if you do get caught.

Beyond that there's the supposedly-random jury pool selection, which is anything but, and thanks to certain allies, copies of these so-called-random programs (which are in fact set up to ensure a "hostile" jury pool faces the defendant) and their source code have been handed off (yes, PN, that was us.) to CID and USDOJ, fat lot of good it'll do, but if not addressed we'll wild our copies to the net and media.

Beyond even that is the veiled threats and manipulation laughably called "Jury Instruction" (i.e. find this fucker guilty or we'll drag this on long enough to get you fired, or hold you in contempt!) and complete vilification of proper Jury Nullification.

Your "servicing the community" is a lot like an inmate "servicing" fresh meat at the local pen, when some shitheel like you sends em there cause the cops can't be bothered to actually investigate, and so grab the first shmuck they think they can pin it on - remember the motto of the BCPD Homicide Dept.
"We don't care if we got the RIGHT guy, long as we got SOME guy, to take the rap and close the case.

And regardless of you calling it "crap", cops are assholes too, they get a gun, a badge, and a free pass in spite of the fact that they are not one whit better than any other common street gang, and as a general whole are the most racist, elitist jackasses in our society cause they're allowed to be in part due to the outright fiction that words on paper can protect folk from the ugly realities of life - a fiction they, and you, like to hold up cause it guarantees your income and superior social status.

We got so MUCH of a problem with Cops being assholes and busting folks for "driving while black/arab" (they camp the borders of dearborn to fuck with the arab people even worse, around here) that we got a damn federal oversight team here smacking hands while sucking up my damn tax dollars trying to get the cops to act like fuckin adults... good luck.

The only difference between the Police, the Bloods and the Crips is that one is "sanctioned" and the other two aren't - and frankly in Baltimore, some of the gangs were BETTER at "Law Enforcement" (i.e. running *other* drug dealers out of their turf) than the Police were.

I highly suggest anyone else actually paying attention to this thread read the book Homicide: Life on the street, if you wanna get a good solid idea of just what "Officer Friendly" *really* thinks of you slimy non-cop, wannabe-perp lowlifes... might give you a better view on what kind of monster you're dealing with behind that badge.

As for you, Zero, of course you're happy with it, you're playing a game wholly rigged in your favor, with no consequences for failure, few if any for misbehavior (unless, like McDade, you incur the wrath of folk willing to make an issue of it) and plenty of money and social status for enforcing an idiotic and ruinous set of nitpicks that, due to your position, the cops are very unlikely to ram down YOUR throat.

Live on the other end of the gunbarrel of the US Just-Us system and see how ya like it some day.

The only difference between you and a a Crips Warlord is that you are less honest about what you do.

-Frem

It cannot be said enough, those who do not learn from history, are doomed to endlessly repeat it

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Wednesday, August 29, 2007 4:24 AM

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Live on the other end of the gunbarrel of the US Just-Us system and see how ya like it some day.

Yep, I've always been a prosecutor. Came out of the womb that way waving a copy of the Ohio Revised Code and shouting 'arrest the black man!'

There's a lot of folk out there that obey the laws and they get along just fine. You didn't, you got caught, and you can't handle it. Kinda like when you were a little kid only less tears and more rightous indignation.

Are there bad cops? Yes. Are there bad Judges? Yes. Are there bad prosecutors? Yes. Are there bad people? Yes. Are there bad conspiracy theorists? Absolutely not (according to them). Is everyone bad? No.

So the question becomes...if a honost cop pulls you over for a valid reason and takes you before an honost judge, jury, and prosecutor...would you feel any less oppressed? No, you'd feel screwed. That said, all your anti-govt. anarchy crazy talk is just plain crazy.

H

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Wednesday, August 29, 2007 9:29 AM

Apparently reading comprehension ain't your strong point, Hero - I got busted, run in, and railroaded in spite of the fact that I was obeying the law, one of the things that lead to my extreme disrespect of the system, and there's no such thing as an "honest" cop, judge, or prosecutor, because the entire system is dishonest, as it makes no allowance for simple and bloody obvious human nature.

You give someone power over others, without any realistic consequence and oversight, and abuses will happen as surely as day follows night, and then spend a hundred years turning a blind eye to them, and an entire culture of corruption builds within it until it's a mockery of it's intended purpose.

You think folks like me are just born this way ?

The very system you serve and support creates us in a newtonian reaction to the abusive overcontrol and exploitation professional "law enforcement" has degraded to, an equal and opposite reaction, obvious in its cause, obvious in its effect.

At the end of the day, it's not me who has to voluntarily turn their common sense off to function on a daily purpose - it's you.

So who's the nutter here, hmm ?
Here, have some more rope, got plenty where this came from.

-Frem

It cannot be said enough, those who do not learn from history, are doomed to endlessly repeat it

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Wednesday, August 29, 2007 10:50 AM

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...and there's no such thing as an "honest" cop, judge, or prosecutor, because the entire system is dishonest, as it makes no allowance for simple and bloody obvious human nature.

There you go again. The system might seem unfair, but thats because you think your interaction with it in this case began on the day you were cited.

People elect state and local legislative bodies who are empowered to make laws to provide for the orderly administration of the State's roadways. They license vehicles and drivers. They set traffic rules such as speed limits. They fund the creation of police forces and provide those forces with speed measuring equipment and training and the authority to enforce traffic laws. If you disagree with the laws then you must vote for candidates who will change those laws to something you want. If there are no such candidates, run yourself. If you win then you can change the laws. If you don't you are expected and required to comply with the laws your fellow citizens have seen fit to enact through their duly elected representives. Such is the American Democratic Process and the Rule of Law.

You yourself make no allowances for human nature by viewing everyone involved in the system and the system itself through your own limited exposure. I suggested that even if you in fact encountered an honost set of judges, police, etc. you would be unable to accept it because you don't accept the system. You disagreed and went on to say that you are unable to accept the system AND that its players are uniformly dishonost because of the system (which, odly is exactly what I said you'd say). I diagree. Is the system perfect? No. Are all the players honost? No. That is the very nature of humanity that you claim the system disregards. The truth is while the system in not perfect, it is "more perfect" which is the foundation of the American form of government.

I sympathize if you feel you were wronged, but I note for the record that there is another side to your case...an officer whose testimony has not been presented in this forum.

There's a great Ohio appellate case I cite from time to time the gist of which is "just because the Magistrate didn't believe you, does not mean he was biased against you." (Goes along with another one..."just because you lose a fight does not necessarily mean you're the victim" that I use for some Assaults and Disorderly Conduct cases).

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You think folks like me are just born this way ?

Hatched maybe?

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The very system you serve and support creates us in a newtonian reaction to the abusive overcontrol and exploitation professional "law enforcement" has degraded to, an equal and opposite reaction, obvious in its cause, obvious in its effect.

Please. Folk like you have always been around. In every culture, in every time, in every place. The legal term for you is "Knucklehead".

Your ancestor was probably the guy who was fussing about having to go outside the cave to piss rather then just going wherever you happen to be standing the way God intended. Back then you'd get a club to the head and be sent to fingerpaint in the back of the cave while the real men got it on with your mate. These days we give you a trial, a fine, and we let you keep your mate...unless she's hot in which case can I get her number?

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So who's the nutter here, hmm ?

It can't be me, I'd never use the word "nutter" unless I'm refering to a tasty cookie. Sounds Anglish. Maybe that cop pulled your Sasannach arse over for driving on the wrong side of the road.

H

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Wednesday, August 29, 2007 9:08 PM

John Lee, conspiracy therapist at Hollywood award-winner History Channel-mocked SNL-spoofed PirateNew.org wooHOO!!!!!!

I'm surprised more trike owners don't wear full armor. Some don't even wear helmets, when the trikes have roll cages, like T-Rex. Reverse trikes do go slideways on the Dragon, which is better than tipping over.

No comment from hero about how easy it is to sue or jail cops, judges and prosecutors. Nifong thought he was The Law, too. His disbarment hearing cost him $10,000 in court costs. He'll have to forfeit his pension to pay the $3-million lawyer bills of his 3 Duke victims.

As Detective Serpico testified to the Knapp Commission, "10% of cops are honest, 10% dishonest, and 80% wish they were honest." Same for prosecutors.

But I agree that 0% are honest, or they'd be forced to spend their entire (short) career arresting their supervisors, commanders and political chain of command, and cops in other agencies or soldiers on covert ops, and Israeli spies (most White House employees). Occasionally a real crook goes to jail (1 in 1,000 prosecutions). For-profit prisons (slave plantations) are designed as college for crooks, and to drive psychos insane, the better to turn loose on the sheeple and justify the police state.

My sister was a "public defender" in a major city. She never won a case, which is why the govt paid her paycheck. She practically worked for the prosecutor. She had zero interest in learning Constitutional Law, or anything to do with specialized criminal defense law, which are required in order to win a trial. She also ran Yale University's Commie Chinese exchange student program, and lived in Shanghai, which is virtual treason. She cared nothing about equal rights for women. She likes hiring illegal aliens, then wonders why her house was burgled 3 times. She didn't even marry a US citizen. She hasn't got a patriotic bone in her body. She's never won her own traffic ticket case pro se. Now she's burned out on law. I wonder why?

Hero will be a civilian zero someday. Then he and his family will be just another victim of the police state monster he helped create.

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Wednesday, August 29, 2007 9:49 PM

For them what's interested, try this on for size - it's way too long to post here.

http://www.constitution.org/lrev/roots/cops.htm

Basically an abstract of how professional full time policing came to be and how/why it's both unconstitutional and in direct contravention of the intent of our legal system in the first place.

Roots does however, dodge the sleaze relationship between "Law Enforcement" strikebreakers and corporate goon squads like Pinkertons, which became in effect, the USDOJ - yes, that's right, corporate muscle and paid terrorists against unions, became "Law Enforcement"... not to mention the endless horrors of Wackenhut, who's only saving grace that made them less a nightmare was their incompetence.

And now Blackwater, which in short order we'll prolly see being subcontracted to help SWAT teams kick in the doors of old ladies late on their utilities payments, as ridiculous as the whole no-knock thing has gotten these days.

Those murderous corporate thugs, strike breakers, and their patrons are your spiritual and philosophical ancenstors Hero - whereas mine are the unionists and anarchists who are, by virtue of their own blood, spilled rather copiously by the former, directly responsible for a 40 hour workweek and overtime pay, whilst yours are responsible for naught but misery and endless rapaciousness.

Your ignorance of the history of your own profession is shocking, but I guess it takes a certain blindness, in combination with a complete lack of anything resembling a conscience, to do what you do and still sleep at night.

As for the so-called public defender, their job is to take a dive, cause if they live on their knees sucking off the system long enough, they get to be on the other side of the courtroom eventually, by virtue of "experience" without an iota of competence - which has made them easy to mop the floor with more than once, best of which was a set of bogus assault and battery charges stemming from a drunk who stumbled into me at the local pub, wouldn't take an apology, and finally came at me with a cueball in hand, so I busted a pool cue over his head and stepped out of the way.

They assigned me a PD who's sole intent seemed to be making me do time, who wouldn't listen to a damned thing I said, and tried to enter a guilty plea when stopped (and this DID get me fined, but that's ok, cause I damnwell did do it, and in front of the entire court as witnesses) by me backhanding him and chasing him from the courtroom with a chair... needless to say, he was fired.

He wanted me to plead it and take 2 YEARS in min-security... like hell, for what, self defense ?

All of the witnesses being drunk, none of the stories matched, one couldn't even positively identify any of the principals, and the two cops who came in the door at the end of it couldn't get their stories straight in SPITE of having rehearsed them together (goddamn if you wanted to root out police corruption quick, just bug the damn locker room), and directly contradicted each other more than once - grilling them seperately while the other was sequestered was a nice touch.

Prosecutor was pissed as hell, threw his little briefcase into the wall and stormed out in a rage when the judge tossed the case, as it had become apparent there WAS no case - although the Judge did stoop to delivering some quiet, extremely vicious off-the-record threats when he had me walk up there so he could sign off on the whole mess.

Since that mess, the only attorney I will accept defending me, is me - although I keep one with a very threatening name and heavy rep on retainer so I can hand his card to any "Law Enforcement" terrorist who thinks I'm an easy mark for their criminal syndicates games.

As for why people drive trikes with insufficient protection, nor proper training to operate em - same reason for a lotta things, some people are just fekkin stupid, and far be it for me to suggest starving Darwins Ghost... it's their life, if they wanna take downright stupid risks, they can deal with the consquences, that's freedom, innit ?

Oh, and get this one PN - City Council DID pull some more shit, and now the big boss is fired, his secretary is next in line but she's up in it deep over misuse of city office lines of credit, and on top of that all the cards having interest rates in excess of 30% via some kickback deal with a local bank...

I may wind up ON the City Council by no want or desire of mine own.. after that verbal asswhup delivered over the school issue, folks have started pushin me, and many plan a write-in despite the fact that I don't freakin want the hassle, so IF they put me on that damn ballot, which is like to happen cause they already got enough signatures

this being an awful cursed podunk town... it'll be as "American Anarchist Party" and as virtue of my party platform, I have no intention of showing up for work, cause Government is best which does nothing at all...

And, knowing this, they STILL wanna vote me in, ain't that fucked up ?

-Frem

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Thursday, August 30, 2007 2:54 AM

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folks have started pushin me, and many plan a write-in

Yeah, the only folks pushin you are the ones in your head. And PN.

Crazytalk. You and PN are off the deep end. Make no mistake, I've prosecuted folk like you before. Happens once or twice a year. We get a Freeman or other "know my rights" type who comes in to defend themself. Thats fine.

They generally argue as much nonsense as they can, for as long as they can, and then lose. They like to pick and choose the laws they want to agree with. For example, one fellow wanted to ignore the Traffic Rules and substitute the Uniform Commercial Code to justify street racing in a school zone. Another fella wanted to use the fact that he had car dealor tags to justify making up his own license plates for a van he had illegally parked in his front yard. And they all argue the Constitution while ignoring filing deadlines, court appearances, or any of the other basic rules established for the orderly running of the Court system.

As for Public Defenders...I've know a number of them. The last one we had was REALLY good. The one we have now is ok. Generally they have been ok but we've had some REALLY bad ones, especially when they send the interns from the lawschool. The problem PDs face is that the overwhelming majority of their clients are guilty. How can they argue a theft when I've got video from Best Buy (who has great video) of their client stuffing DVDs down their pants? Monday the PD's client for a DUI case showed up drunk...for the third time (he blew a .271). I don't envy their job because they deal with the worst clients for VERY little money.

H

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Thursday, August 30, 2007 6:02 AM

WASHNWEAR

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But justice did get done that day, oh yes it did, His Honor had a right nice set of rims, which, when fenced, paid the fine quite handily.

Whatever benefits (generally enhanced suspicion and cynicism, among others) I may derive from your posts, 9 out of 10 of them usually bring some kind of smile to my face...in this case, a BIG smile.

Way to misbehave!

It was up on cinder blocks when we got here!

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Thursday, August 30, 2007 9:33 AM

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And now Blackwater, which in short order we'll prolly see being subcontracted to help SWAT teams kick in the doors of old ladies late on their utilities payments, as ridiculous as the whole no-knock thing has gotten these days.

Funny you mention them, I just saw these guys are buying their own BOMBERS now:

http://www.strategypage.com/htmw/htairfo/articles/20070827.aspx

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Saturday, September 1, 2007 6:35 PM

John Lee, conspiracy therapist at Hollywood award-winner History Channel-mocked SNL-spoofed PirateNew.org wooHOO!!!!!!

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They assigned me a PD who's sole intent seemed to be making me do time, who wouldn't listen to a damned thing I said, and tried to enter a guilty plea when stopped (and this DID get me fined, but that's ok, cause I damnwell did do it, and in front of the entire court as witnesses) by me backhanding him and chasing him from the courtroom with a chair... needless to say, he was fired.

He wanted me to plead it and take 2 YEARS in min-security... like hell, for what, self defense ?

All of the witnesses being drunk, none of the stories matched, one couldn't even positively identify any of the principals, and the two cops who came in the door at the end of it couldn't get their stories straight in SPITE of having rehearsed them together (goddamn if you wanted to root out police corruption quick, just bug the damn locker room), and directly contradicted each other more than once - grilling them seperately while the other was sequestered was a nice touch.

Prosecutor was pissed as hell, threw his little briefcase into the wall and stormed out in a rage when the judge tossed the case, as it had become apparent there WAS no case - although the Judge did stoop to delivering some quiet, extremely vicious off-the-record threats when he had me walk up there so he could sign off on the whole mess.

That's one way to fire a lawyer. Pro se is always better, if you know that Constitutional Law trumps all bogus codes and statutes.

I've met pro se plaintiffs who paid their lawyers $150,000 cash, then the defendant Mafia insurance/banksters/cops extorted his lawyers to quit on the fed courthouse steps for a jury trial. So he had to learn pro se law in front of a jury. And he won a $200,000 jury trial, upheld on appeal to the 6th Circuit. He exposed the scam of cashing forged insurance claim checks, without the policy holders ever notified. Prosecutors failed to indict the criminals, of course.

My sister did actually win ONE case, when the "experienced" ("guilty") defendant actually "told her what to do" in court procedure. I don't recall what the crime was, but to her all "crimes" are crimes, especially when perped by the "little people" who failed to afford the most-expensive private schools.

My one experience with a PD was as a witness, and I filed a sworn affidavit with the court, for a defendant who was pro se. The PD refuses to meet defendants until the've rotted in jail for 10 days, and are ready to make a deal, ANY deal. My testimony proved the "cop" was not a cop, since he was not a govt employee but a private security guard, thus the TN Code for "resisting arrest" did not apply (walking out of a public building on a public sidewalk is not "criminal trespass"). I also tesified that the hospital building was signposted as open to the public, and was not posted "No Trespassing". Thus it was not a crime for this person to take a dump in a public restroom. The judge "threw me out of 'his' courtroom", for daring to taperecord my own words during the "probable cause hearing for taking a dump", even though I asked the judge for permission to record, and he did not say no. High drama! The shackled defendant then got a PD assigned. The NEW PALATIAL PD office REFUSED to accept my sworn affidavit, even after they accepted the case, and forced their innocent client to plead guilty to one of the bogus charges, sentenced to "time served".

The arrest for taking a dump was probably a setup, since one day before his arrest, I coached him into "winning" pro se in city traffic court. Even tho he was found "guilty/liable", he filed an affidavit of indigency and claimed his Homestead Exemption, so he did NOT have to pay any fines nor court costs. That's a WIN.

So he had to be punished as a lesson to the other slaves...

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