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Thursday, July 19, 2007 3:41 AM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by fredgiblet:
I must be fresh out of the uterus.


Okay Fred, that's YOUR excuse for having a flexable, open mind......
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Jong wrote:
Born in 1953, raised in middle-class suburbia, married with children...


...but a lot of us are in this ballpark, why do WE have to think and consider and balance our beliefs with new info all the time? Why can't WE be self-righteously certain and crotchedy???
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Jong continued:
I certainly 'aint ready to surrender every f**king belief & historical living history knowledge I ever had to these sad, pathetic, retarded idiots full of Wikipedia pseudo-knowledge and Soros-fueled, ACLU-fueled, kool-aid overdosed belief systems of insanity and capitulation.

What I wouldn't GIVE to be so free of doubt and confident that I had all the answers!

Chrisisall

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Thursday, July 19, 2007 3:45 AM

BIGDAMNNOBODY


I forgot, what was this thread about again?

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Thursday, July 19, 2007 3:48 AM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by Fremdfirma:
you shoulda seen the row over mounting a more flexible ankle joint on the prosthetic leg so I could roller skate.


I bow to you sir (even though I AM ten years your senior)- your spirit is grand and your fire is infectious.

Oh, and you dropped your binky Chrisisall



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Thursday, July 19, 2007 3:49 AM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by BigDamnNobody:
I forgot, what was this thread about again?

How old are you, my child? Can you vote yet?

Ageist Chrisisall

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Thursday, July 19, 2007 4:25 AM

FREMDFIRMA


I'll give ya some spirit, ya ole bloody geezer, i'll give ya my hip flask upside the head ya dun shaddap ya senile ole coot!
*snarl*

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You can just imagine, eh ?

-F

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Thursday, July 19, 2007 4:35 AM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by Fremdfirma:


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Do I see Mr. Pointy in that right hand..?

BabyFrem The Vampire Slayer Chrisisall

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Thursday, July 19, 2007 4:56 AM

FREMDFIRMA


Dat's a Hoyo de Monterrey Double Corona ya goony ole bastid, annit cost more den yer IQ, so shut it and gimme a light, willa ?
(That's also Baby Herman from Who Framed Roger Rabbit, btw.)
-F

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Thursday, July 19, 2007 5:08 AM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by Fremdfirma:
Dat's a Hoyo de Monterrey Double Corona

Still looks like Mr. Pointy to me..........

Buffy-centric Chrisisall

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Thursday, July 19, 2007 5:32 AM

RUE

I have a vote and I'm not afraid to use it!


An here I thought it looked like a Hoover ...

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Thursday, July 19, 2007 6:03 AM

CITIZEN


bad time to mention '81?



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Thursday, July 19, 2007 6:18 AM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by citizen:
bad time to mention '81?



Kid, the year U wuz born I was in the threare watchin' Raiders Of The Lost Ark and Superman II !!

*various binky and diaper jokes* Chrisisall

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Thursday, July 19, 2007 6:35 AM

CITIZEN


Quote:

Originally posted by chrisisall:
*various binky and diaper jokes* Chrisisall

I wouldn't worry Chris, many people grow incontinent as they age...



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Thursday, July 19, 2007 6:45 AM

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bad time to mention '81?
Wow. By then I had graduated from university, married, moved cross-country to LA, bought three houses (and sold two), gotten mugged and broken into...

Wow. So "albums" are what you put your digital pix in, phonographs are antiques, Tricky Dick is not even a memory and neither is the hippe/ antiwar movement....


Hand me diaper, I'm feeling my age!

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Thursday, July 19, 2007 11:37 AM

CANTTAKESKY


Chiming in late, but I never really understood why everyone would swallow the Osama/911 denial/confession hook, line, and sinker. According to most sources, he both denied and claimed responsibility. He obviously lies, so why give credence to one claim over the other?

I look at the objective evidence, and there are so many holes in the 911/AlQaeda connection that I cannot fathom holding them solely or even primarily responsible for those attacks. We have turned the murder of all those people into a political platform instead of investigating this thoroughly as the crime that it is.

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Thursday, July 19, 2007 3:56 PM

ANTIMASON


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canttakesky-

I look at the objective evidence, and there are so many holes in the 911/AlQaeda connection that I cannot fathom holding them solely or even primarily responsible for those attacks. We have turned the murder of all those people into a political platform instead of investigating this thoroughly as the crime that it is.



i agree.. its just hard to debate something that someone else will flatly deny or refuse to acknowledge. you cant get any talk show host to discuss the collapse of the towers, because its inconceivable that such a conspiracy would take place(..although, 'alqaeda' pulled it off). no conventional republican on this board will admit that any American, in government, had for-knowledge of the attacks, let alone engaged with complicity. why.. "that notion is 'traitorous!'". so to engage them, you have to do as Ron Paul does, and debate each subject on its merits

but seriously, you do have to ignore a lot of human history to miss the part about governments attacking their own people, under false pretenses... to be so oblivious to the frequency of this occurrence. what baffles me is the amount of christians who support this horrible foreign policy. they should know by our own doctrines that man by nature is imperfect, and that government, and its spiritual forces guiding it are our enemy. why they are so blindly entrusting and persuaded by these wolves in sheeps clothing is beyond me. one thing i despise are those who use religion as a guise for exploitation, because they turn and mislead people from the truth. but i try to remember that God will respond to them 'in kind'

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Saturday, July 21, 2007 6:22 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Quote:

Originally posted by antimason:
but seriously, you do have to ignore a lot of human history to miss the part about governments attacking their own people, under false pretenses... to be so oblivious to the frequency of this occurrence. what baffles me is the amount of christians who support this horrible foreign policy. they should know by our own doctrines that man by nature is imperfect, and that government, and its spiritual forces guiding it are our enemy. why they are so blindly entrusting and persuaded by these wolves in sheeps clothing is beyond me. one thing i despise are those who use religion as a guise for exploitation, because they turn and mislead people from the truth. but i try to remember that God will respond to them 'in kind'



Careful man. The Secretary of State will confiscate your property and freeze your assets if they read that.

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Born in '79 here. You're all crazy old. Suprises me that Cit is 2 years younger than me though. Always had the impression he was a crusty old war vet.

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Sunday, July 22, 2007 7:57 AM

CITIZEN


Quote:

Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
Born in '79 here. You're all crazy old. Suprises me that Cit is 2 years younger than me though. Always had the impression he was a crusty old war vet.

And why is that, exactly?



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Sunday, July 22, 2007 12:46 PM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by citizen:
Quote:

Originally posted by chrisisall:
*various binky and diaper jokes* Chrisisall

I wouldn't worry Chris, many people grow incontinent as they age...


*falls down*



Uhhh...he got me...Chrisisall

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Sunday, July 22, 2007 4:53 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Quote:

Originally posted by citizen:
Quote:

Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
Born in '79 here. You're all crazy old. Suprises me that Cit is 2 years younger than me though. Always had the impression he was a crusty old war vet.

And why is that, exactly?



Don't know... wasn't meant as an insult to ya though. Just suprised that I'm older than you is all. Growing up in the circles I did, I'm not used to much intelligent conversation coming out of anybody's mouth that is under 30. I know you mentioned millitary service of some type at some point too. Not sure if you were serious or joking when you said it though. If you did serve, you don't talk about it all the time.


EDIT: Also suprises me that Frem is only a little bit older than me too. I figured him for a lot older. Where the hell do you find the time to do all that you do man?

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Sunday, July 22, 2007 9:28 PM

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USAma Bin Laden is NOT charged with 9/11 Massacres
www.fbi.gov/wanted/terrorists/terbinladen.htm

The CNN quote from USAma Bin Laden was perhaps from the following interview:
Quote:


"I have already said that I am not involved in the 11 September attacks in the United States. As a Muslim, I try my best to avoid telling a lie. I had no knowledge of these attacks, nor do I consider the killing of innocent women, children and other humans as an appreciable act. Islam strictly forbids causing harm to innocent women, children and other people. Such a practice is forbidden even in the course of a battle. Drug smugglers from all over the world are in contact with the U.S. secret agencies. These agencies do not want to eradicate narcotics cultivation and trafficking because their importance will be diminished. The people in the U.S. Drug Enforcement Department are encouraging drug trade so that they could show performance and get millions of dollars worth of budget. General Noriega was made a drug baron by the CIA and, in need, he was made a scapegoat. In the same way, whether it is President Bush or any other U.S. President, they cannot bring Israel to justice for its human rights abuses or to hold it accountable for such crimes. What is this? Is it not that there exists a government within the government in the United Sates? That secret government must be asked as to who carried out the attacks. I have already said that we are not hostile to the United States. We are against the [U.S. Government] system, which makes other nations slaves of the United States, or forces them to mortgage their political and economic freedom. This system is totally in control of the American-Jews, whose first priority is Israel, not the United States. It is clear that the American people are themselves the slaves of the Jews and are forced to live according to the principles and laws laid by them."
—Usama bin Laden, Ummat, BBC Monitoring Service, "Usama bin Laden Says Israeli Regime is Behind the 9-11 Attacks," September 28, 2001
www.public-action.com/911/oblintrv.html


USAma Bin Laden terrorizing New York City
www.infowars.com/articles/sept11/bin_laden_fbi_let_charter_flight_afte
r_911.htm


"A CIA agent allegedly met with suspected terrorist mastermind Osama bin Laden in July, while the Saudi underwent treatment for kidney problems at an American hospital in Dubai, France's Le Figaro newspaper reported Wednesday. Bin Laden reportedly checked into the American Hospital Dubai, a 100-bed, acute-care general hospital, July 4 and stayed until July 14. Besides a stream of local dignitaries and family members, bin Laden's visitors included a local CIA agent, the newspaper reported. The agent was widely recognized locally, Le Figaro said, and later told several friends of the meeting. Le Figaro said bin Laden had serious kidney problems, and reportedly had a dialysis machine imported to Afghanistan last year. Citing a March 2000 report by Asia Week, the newspaper said bin Laden's illness stemmed from 'a renal infection that has spread to the liver, and needs specialized treatment.'"
—Elizabeth Bryant, UPI, "Bin Laden treated at US hospital," October 31, 2001

"The goal has never been to get Bin Laden."
—General Richard Myers, chairman, US Joint Chiefs of Staff at Pentagon, 9/11 Press for Truth
www.myspace.com/911pressfortruth

"I don't know whether we'll find him, I don't know that it's all that important, frankly. So we get him, and then what? There's a temporary feeling of goodness, but in the long run, we may make him bigger than he is today. He's hiding, and he knows we're looking for him. We know he's not particularly effective. I'm not sure there's that great of a return."
—General Peter Schoomaker, U.S. Army chief of staff at Pentagon, Fort Worth Star-Telegram, "General says eliminating bin Laden not priority," February 23, 2007
www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/world/4578111.html

On June 5, 2006, the Muckraker Report contacted the FBI Headquarters, 202-324-3000, to learn why Bin Laden’s Most Wanted poster did not indicate that Usama was also wanted in connection with 9/11. The Muckraker Report spoke with Rex Tomb, Chief of Investigative Publicity for the FBI. When asked why there is no mention of 9/11 on Bin Laden’s Most Wanted web page, Tomb said: 'The reason why 9/11 is not mentioned on Usama Bin Laden’s Most Wanted page is because the FBI has no hard evidence connecting Bin Laden to 9/11. Bin Laden has not been formally charged in connection to 9/11. The FBI gathers evidence. Once evidence is gathered, it is turned over to the Department of Justice. The Department of Justice than decides whether it has enough evidence to present to a federal grand jury. In the case of the 1998 United States Embassies being bombed, Bin Laden has been formally indicted and charged by a grand jury. He has not been formally indicted and charged in connection with 9/11 because the FBI has no hard evidence connected Bin Laden to 9/11'”
—Ed Haas, Muckraker Report, "FBI says, 'No hard evidence connecting Bin Laden to 9/11'," June 6, 2006
www.teamliberty.net/id267.html

we've never made the case, or argued the case that somehow Osama bin Laden was directly involved in 9/11. That evidence has never been forthcoming."
—Dick Cheney, WhiteHouse.gov, The Tony Snow Show, "Interview of the Vice President by Tony Snow", March 29, 2006
www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2006/03/20060329-2.html

QUESTION: "Mr President, in your speeches, you rarely mention Osama Bin Laden. Why is that?"
GEORGE BUSH JR: "I don't know where he is. I just don't spend that much time on him."
—WhiteHouse.gov



GEORGE BUSH JR: "I don't know where he is. I have no idea and I really don't care. It's not that important. It's not our priority."
—March 13, 2002


USAma's brother Salem Bin Laden was Bush Jr's first business partner in Arbusto Oil in Texas. USAma's brother Shafig Bin Laden was eating breakfast with his Carlyle Group business partner Bush Sr in Washington DC on 9/11/2001. USAma Bin Laden was always a loyal employee of CIA/MI6.

This is what an american JEW looks like, when employed by ADL, CIA & Mossad:

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Jewish terrorist Adam Gadahn indicted for treason in USA
www.fbi.gov/page2/oct2006/gadahn101106.htm

$1 million for arrest of American al Qaeda JEW charged with treason - An American al Qaeda propagandist was indicted Wednesday on treason charges, the first person charged with the offense during the United States' war on terrorism, officials said. Adam Yahiye Gadahn, who has appeared in five al Qaeda videos, is also charged with offering material support for terrorism, U.S. Deputy Attorney General Paul McNulty said. He has been put on the FBI's Most Wanted Terrorists list, and the State Department is offering a $1 million reward for information leading to his arrest and conviction. The 28-year-old California native is the first American to face the charge since the World War II era, McNulty said. "A charge of treason is exceptionally severe, and it is not one we bring lightly," McNulty said at a news conference in Washington. "But this is the right case for this charge." If apprehended and convicted, Gadahn could face the death penalty.
www.cnn.com/2006/LAW/10/11/gadahn/index.html?section=cnn_topstories

Al-Qaida terrorist is an American JEW - Jerusalem Post - A man who starred in a video released by al-Qaida's deputy leader Ayman al-Zawahri on Saturday, inviting Americans to convert to Islam, has been identified as Adam Yehiye Gadahn, an American with Jewish ancestry. According to Wikipedia, he was born Adam Pearlman on September 1, 1978, the grandson of a prominent Jewish surgeon and the son of musician Phil Pearlman, who converted to Christianity and changed his named to Gadahn (apparently derived from the Biblical figure Gideon.) He grew up in Santa Ana, California, converted to Islam and, in 1995, posted an essay on the USC Web site describing his conversion. According to his parents, Gadahn moved to Pakistan in 1998, where he married an Afghani refugee. The FBI believes he attended al-Qaida training camps in Pakistan and served as an al-Qaida translator and English spokesman. It was the second time Gadahn has appeared in the same video with Zawahri. In a July 7 video marking the one-year anniversary of bombings against the London transit system, Gadahn said no Muslim should "shed tears" for Westerners killed by al-Qaida attacks. MOSSAD double agent provacateur? September 4, 2006
www.infowars.net/articles/September2006/040906Al-Qaida.htm

Al-Qaida terrorist is son of Jewish ADL board of directors - Last month saw the release of another "Azzam the American" tape and allowed an opportunity for thorough debunking and exposure on our part. We revealed the shady past and the possible MOSSAD links to this Al Qaeda convert in a feature article stating "Adam Gadahn is in fact the grandson of the late Carl K. Pearlman; a prominent Jewish urologist in Orange County. Carl Pearlman was also a member of the board of directors of the Anti-Defamation League, which was caught spying on Americans for Israel in 1993. This information today also appeared in the Jerusalem post.
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Sunday, July 22, 2007 11:40 PM

FREMDFIRMA


Quote:

Where the hell do you find the time to do all that you do man?

It's called not having a life, you should try it someti..oh.. wait... vampire!

Really though, remember I don't watch the zombie-idiot box, which is what consumes massive amounts of other peoples time not spent slaving for the lorded elite.

So, while they're staring vacously at the bread and circuses, some folks are actually, yanno...
Doin stuff.

-Frem
It cannot be said enough, those who do not learn from history, are doomed to endlessly repeat it

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Monday, July 23, 2007 12:23 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Man, this just jumped from Strangely Orwellian to Frighteningly Orwellian. I don't argue that any of that isn't true, or wasn't really said either. I've never read any of it before.

My favorite (scarryest) part was this part of Osama's quote:

Quote:

"Drug smugglers from all over the world are in contact with the U.S. secret agencies. These agencies do not want to eradicate narcotics cultivation and trafficking because their importance will be diminished. The people in the U.S. Drug Enforcement Department are encouraging drug trade so that they could show performance and get millions of dollars worth of budget. General Noriega was made a drug baron by the CIA and, in need, he was made a scapegoat.


Frightening to me how very similar to my words they were from my "War on Taint" thread about a month or so ago:

Quote:

"The Truth is, if child pornography wasn't such a huge cash-cow for our Government, and if fighting it didn't employ so many Government workers on our dime, they would have shut it down a long time ago. No, you say? Where's VISA and Mastercards "Anti-Internet-Porn Initiative"? Wouldn't that mean much more to you than an "Anti-Tobacco Initiative"? They don't give a rat's ass about children's safety either, and the people that are caught and put on TV are simply offered up as sacrificial lambs... akin to the occasional televised drug bust on TV that keeps justifying another giant and brilliantly orchestrated cash-cow, the "War" on Drugs.

The War on Drugs, Medical price gouging, The War on Child Pornograpy, The War on Cigarettes (Cancer).... very much like the War on Terror will NEVER end. They're designed by the archetects to have an infinite shelf life. If any one of these things were to magically dissappear tomorrow, it would likely leave our country, and in turn the world, spiraling out of control economically.



.... Maybe it's not such a good idea for me to connect the dots like this for the Feds. I'm really starting to think for sure that in there eyes I just might not be on the right side of the "terror/non-terror" line anymore with things I've said on here.

Remember me fellow RWEDers, when you don't hear from me anymore. I'm not kidding either.

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