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RIP Gerald Ford

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Tuesday, December 26, 2006 6:54 PM

SKYWALKEN


Bless his great American soul. We can now look back and realize that he healed the USA and brought respect back to the American presidency.

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Wednesday, December 27, 2006 3:47 AM

HERO


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Originally posted by Skywalken:
Bless his great American soul. We can now look back and realize that he healed the USA and brought respect back to the American presidency.


Not to mention his invention of the automobile, his contributions to SMU football, the skits he helped write for Saturday Night Live, his eye for talent like Rumsfeld, Greenspan, and George Bush, and finally his greatest legacy...keeping Richard Nixon out of prison (because of the vast left-wing communist conspiracy to bring down Nixon in his prime).

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Wednesday, December 27, 2006 8:35 AM

FINN MAC CUMHAL


The Ford administration is the first administration that I can remember, but I was so young then that it really was just background noise to Sid and Marty Krofft. Popularly Ford was one of those presidents that got the raw end of the deal, I think. Nestled in-between Nixon and Carter, he is has largely been forgotten or condemned by association. The history channel and News channels are running Ford Specials that are bringing to light a man that history seems to have forgotten. It is sad that he had to die before we realized this.

He was the last living member of the Warren Commission. Although I never bought into the whole JFK conspiracy nonsense, many people do, including my cousin and my brother who are diehard conspiracy theorists. I’m sure that Ford has already said all he could say on the topic, but it somehow seems sad that now there is really no one left with the authority to say, “I was there Mr. Stone, and that’s crap.” Not that anyone would, necessarily. But, you what I mean.



Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.

Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.

-- Cicero

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Wednesday, December 27, 2006 8:53 AM

HERO


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Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
He was the last living member of the Warren Commission.


Arlen Spector...

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Wednesday, December 27, 2006 10:20 AM

FINN MAC CUMHAL


Oh, yeah. Arlen Specter, how the hell did I forget him?



Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.

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Wednesday, December 27, 2006 12:24 PM

SKYWALKEN


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Originally posted by Hero:
...his eye for talent like...George Bush...



Yeah, George Herbert Walker Bush, the man who at 19 years old served his country while dodging Japanese bullets and just a few months after 20th birthday was legitimized as a genuine war hero.

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Wednesday, December 27, 2006 12:27 PM

PIRATECAT


I thought one of the best things he did was get as many of the south vietnamese out of that commie hell hole as he could cause he felt America owed it to the people who were friendly to the US. I always liked that about him.

"Battle of Serenity, Mal. Besides Zoe here, how many-" "I'm talkin at you! How many men in your platoon came out of their alive".

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Wednesday, December 27, 2006 1:37 PM

CREVANREAVER


He probably was the right president for the time. May he rest in peace.

Here's a transcript of Pres. Bush's statement:

http://www.forbes.com/entrepreneurs/feeds/ap/2006/12/27/ap3283552.html

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Friday, January 5, 2007 1:58 PM

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RIP Gerald "Magic Bullet" Ford a/k/a pedophile Leslie Lynch King Jr - may he rot in Hell!


Alcoholic drug addict and unelected president "Gerald Ford"

Unelected President "Gerald Ford" was born in Omaha, Nebraska as Leslie Lynch King Jr (a popular Jewish name), adopted and promoted to the Michigan Mafia. Omaha is pedophile capital of planet Earth, home of the bank-robbing CIA narco snuff kiddie porn Satanic Bohemian Grove cult that was prosecuted by Senator John DeCamp, reported in his book The Franklin Coverup. Omaha is where George Bush Jr fled on 9/11/2001, where Jewish billionaire pedophile Warren Buffet was incidentally playing golf on the USAF base with CEOs from the World Trade Center as robot jetplanes and prepositioned Thermate attacked WTC, as USAF Strategic Air Command HQ in Omaha stood down, per illegal orders from Ford/King's White House chief of staff Sir Donald Rumsfeld Knight of the British Empire. Ford/King pardoned Mafia felon Richard "Tricky Dick" Nixon, for ALL felonies besides Watergate burgleries, such as CIA assassination of President JFK Sr by Watergate burglers E Howard Hunt and Frank Sturgis, in CIA/Pentagon's Operation NORTHWOODS/MONGOOSE. Ford/King was on the Warren "Magic Bullet" Commission to protect the Republican/Democrat criminals who murdered JFK Sr in a coup d'etat. This secret history is of course flushed down the toilet by pathological liars in the Media Mafia.

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Gerald Ford
AKA Leslie Lynch King, Jr.
Birthplace: Omaha, NE
Bohemian Grove, Freemasonry, Knights of Malta, Shriners

Ford was born and baptized Leslie King, Jr. His father was a drunk who began beating his mother almost immediately after they were married, and they were quickly divorced. When she later remarried a salesman named Gerald Ford, the future President took his stepfather's name, and became Gerald Ford, Jr.

Gerald Ford was the 38th President of the United States, and America's only President who was never elected to any office higher than the US Congress.

In late 1973, Ford was named to replace scandal-plagued (convicted felon) Vice President Spiro T. Agnew. President Richard M. Nixon and other high-ranking officials said publicly that Ford was selected for his reputation of integrity and trustworthiness in Congress, while off-the-record some suggested he was chosen more because his blandness made him acceptable to both left and right. He had been friends with Nixon since the mid-1950s. Ford served as Nixon's Vice President for just eight months, until the Watergate cover-up led to Nixon's resignation. Ford was sworn in as President on 9 August 1974.

Only a month later, Ford issued an unprecedented pre-emptive pardon to Nixon "for any crimes he may have committed" while President. To most Americans who had endured the Nixon and Agnew scandals, the pardon reeked of a cynical, pre-arranged deal, though Ford has always denied any quid pro quo arrangement. The pardon was greeted with widespread outrage, and became the defining moment of Ford's Presidency.

www.nndb.com/people/400/000022334/
www.fordlibrarymuseum.gov/avproj/young-jerry-ford.asp
www.rotten.com/library/bio/presidents/gerald-ford/



Here's Cathy O'Brien's courtroom testimony, about her lobotomized daughter River, er, Kelly. US prosecutors argued that pedophilia by Gerald Ford, Ronald Reagan and George Bush Sr is now legal, for "(t)reasons of national security".

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TRANCE FORMATION OF AMERICA: The Most Dangerous Game

by Cathy O'Brien and Mark Phillips
www.trance-formation.com

Uncle Bob was a pilot in Air Force intelligence and boasted he worked for the Vatican, and was also a commercial pornographer, producing kiddie porn for the Michigan Mafia, which looped back to Mafia porn king and US Representative, and unelected US president, Jerry Ford (born/aka Leslie Lynch King Jr [a Jewish name]). My father also was involved in drug sales.

My father was caught sending kiddie porn through the US mail - a beastiality film of me with my Uncle Sam's boxer dog. Uncle Bob, implicated in manuafacturing the porn, informed my father of a US Government Defense Intelligence Agency TOP SECRET Project - Project Monarch. Monarch was recruiting multigenerational incest abused children with Multiple Personality Disorder (MPD/DID) for its mind-control studies. I was a 'prime candidate' a 'CHOSEN ONE'. My father seized the opporunity for immunity from prosecution. In the midst of this pandemonium, Jerry Ford arrived at our house. Ford went inside to seal my fate....

Dick Cheney, then White House chief of staff to President Ford, later secretary of defense to president George Bush Sr, member of Council on Foreign Relations Corporation (CFR), was Wyoming's only congressman. Cheney was the reason my family traveled to Wyoming where I endured yet another form of brutality, his version of 'The Most Dangerous Game', or human hunting.

A Most Dangerous Game was devised to condition military personnel in survival and combat maneuvers. Yet it was used on me and other slaves as a means of conditioning the mind that there was no place to hide, as well as to traumatize the victim for programming. The primary theme was being stripped naked and turned loose in the wilderness while being hunted by men and dogs. It was only a matter of time until I was caught, repeatedly raped, and tortured.

Dick Cheney had an addiction to the thrill of the sport. He was obsessed with traumatizing mind-control victims, as well as to satisfy his own perverse sexual kinks. My introlduction to the game occurred upon arrival at the hunting lodge near Greybull, Wyoming, and it physically and psychologically devastated me. I stood naked in his hunting lodge office after being hunted down and caught. Cheney was talking as he paced around me, 'I could stuff you and mount you like a jackolope and call you a two legged dear. Or I could stuff you with this (he unzipped his pants to reveal his oversized penis) right down your throat, and then mount you. Which do you prefer?'

'You don't get a choice anyway, I make up your mind for you. That's why you're here. For me to make you a mind, and make you mine/mind. You lost your mind a long time ago. Now I'm going to give you one. Just like the Wizard of Oz gave Scarecrow a brain, the Yellow Brick Road led you here to me.'

Cheney's face turned red with rage. He was on me in an instant, slamming my back into the wall with one arm across my chest and his hand on my throat choking me while applying pressure to the coratid artery in my neck with his thumb. His eyes bulged and he spit as he growled, 'If you don't mind me, I will kill you. I could kill you - Kill you - with my bare hands. You're not the first and you won't be the last. I'll kill you any time I goddamn well please.' He flung me on the cot-type bed and finished taking out his rage on me sexually....

George Bush Sr stood up and took my 6-year-old daughter Kelly by the hand. 'C'mon. Let me show you the Neighborhood.' Kelly became violently ill after her induction into George Bush's 'Neighborhood', and from every sexual encounter she had with him thereafter. She ran 106-degree temperatures, vomited and endured immobilizing headaches for three days, as evidence of high-voltage trauma and scarring burns. Her rectum usually bled for a day or two after Bush sexually abused her. My own mind-control victimization rendered me unable to protect her. Seeing my own child in such horrible condition drove my own wedge of insanity deeper, until our rescure by Mark Phillips in 1988.

Like his ultra-secret Pentagon Bunkhouse, use of leather was in abundance. Heroin, Bush's drug of choice, was in abundance, and Cheney joined him in using it. The smorgasborg of drugs included opium, cocaine, and Wonderland Wafers (MDMHA-XYC aka Ecstacy). I had seen Cheney stumbling drunk before, but this was the only time I saw him use heroin. Kelly too, was subjected to the drugs.

Bush attempted to sell Cheney on pedophilia through graphic descriptions of sex with Kelly. Both were sexaully aroused from drugs and anticipation. Cheney demonstrated to Bush why he did not have sex with kids by exposing himself to Kelly and saying 'Come here'. Kelly reeled back in horror and said 'No!' which made them both laugh. Bush got up and took Kelly to the bedroom....

'Well, Kitten,' Ronald Reagan said to me, 'this is your death sentence. You'll go out in a blaze of glory.' I had heard about death by fire from everyone involved in 'free trade' through Mexico, of our nation's children for drugs. I had witnessed the criminal foundations of NAFTA, which in turn could threaten the foundation of the New World Order should these secrets ever be revealed. 'Free Trade' included drugs and white slavery. It routed traumatized, robotic, mind-controlled children to Saudi Arabia, while building weapons stockpiles in Nicaragua and Iraq. I was nearly 'used up' anyway, and recording my death via 'snuff film' was agreed upon as proof to Mexican president de la Madrid and other leaders at risk, that I had indeed been silenced by death.

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"We need a program of psychosurgery for political control of our society. The purpose is physical control of the mind. Everyone who deviates from the given norm can be surgically mutilated. The individual may think that the most important reality is his own existence, but this is only his personal point of view. This lacks historical perspective. Man does not have the right to develop his own mind. This kind of liberal orientation has great appeal. We must electrically control the brain. Some day armies and gernerals will be controlled by electrical stimulation of the brain."
-Dr. Jose Delgado (Director of Neuropsychiatry, Yale University Medical School prof and CIA mind control scientist, Congressional Record, No 26, vol 118 February 24th, 1974)

"'They're hurting us. Get me out!' The Government was playing with her brain. They opened up her skull and cut into her brain. The only reason you do that is to lobotomize somebody. They did it over, and over..."
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Friday, January 5, 2007 3:25 PM

FREMDFIRMA


Damn PN, ya beat me to it, lol.

I take it you too got your hands on the 'missing link' photos implicating Hunt and Sturgis - which does indeed bring it back to JFK's rejection of NORTHWOODS as primary cause, doesn't it ?

His pardon of Nixon was unforgiveable, because if not done, it might have lead to some way overdue housecleaning amongst the republican (and dem, for that matter) party and perhaps not lead us down the dead end of history that Reagan/Bush have lead us to.

I say good riddance to the man, and hoping that ratbastard Kissinger follows him to hell soon.

As usual, PN's half off his rocker.. but ONLY half, mind you.

-Frem

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Friday, January 5, 2007 4:42 PM

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Originally posted by Fremdfirma:
Damn PN, ya beat me to it, lol.

I take it you too got your hands on the 'missing link' photos implicating Hunt and Sturgis - which does indeed bring it back to JFK's rejection of NORTHWOODS as primary cause, doesn't it ?




Nixon's CIA Watergate burgler E Howard Hunt and Tramp arrested in Dealy Plaza within minutes of JFK murder
www.ajweberman.com/nodules2/nodulec20.htm

Photos also showed CIA agent George Bush Sr in Dealy Plaza as JFK was shot by multiple sniper teams. Operation Northwood's included Project Mongoose, as detailed in Jew Oliver Stone's documentary JFK, which then got Northwoods declassified by Congress. Northwoods included False Flag sniper assassinations by CIA in USA, as well as hijackings of US airliners by CIA, and terror bombings by CIA in USA. Jewish lawyer Mark Lane got a jury to decide that JFK was murdered by CIA, Frank Sturgis and Howard Hunt, transcribed in his book, Plausible Denial.


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Friday, January 5, 2007 4:49 PM

FINN MAC CUMHAL


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Originally posted by Fremdfirma:
As usual, PN's half off his rocker.. but ONLY half, mind you.

Yep. Fruitcakes always give you half the truth, but ONLY half mind you.



Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.

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Friday, January 5, 2007 4:53 PM

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From a speech by MK-ULTRA victim Cathy O'Brien, delivered at Livonia, Michigan Civic Center Library, June 4, 1996:

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"Once my father agreed to sell me into the CIA's MKUltra project, we were visited by the head of the local Michigan Mafia pornography ring - or rather the politician that was covering up all of these kinds of perverse crimes in our area. His name was Gerald Ford. This is the same Gerald Ford that went into the office of President.

Gerald Ford came out to our house, and he explained to my father how to raise me in the project. He explained to him how to manipulate my subconscious mind, because since I couldn't consciously comprehend the horror, (I mean, where in the world would I place something so horrible in my mind anyway?) I was functioning on subconscious level. The subconscious mind does not comprehend - does not question or reason or rationalize things that it is told. Information that is fed in is readily accepted, through either hypnotic language, language of the subconscious, or neuro-linguistic programming, as it is officially called. My father called it "reverse psychology," and he was immediately flown off for a two week course on what he termed "reverse psychology" in Boston, Massachusetts.

When he came back, my victimization became much more horrific, because of the information and the knowledge that my father had learned. My father began applying what he had learned, and in his attempt, he was attempting to scramble fantasy with reality, so that what was happening to me would seem like it was just happening in a dream, or it was just a storybook, or something that wasn't real. It was much easier for me to believe something like that than to actually have to deal with reality, that my father was so perverse, and the abuse that I was enduring was actually being condoned and sanctioned by a criminal faction of our government.

At that time, my father had been instructed to take me to Mackinac Island, Michigan. Mackinac Island, as I am sure most of you are well aware, is located between the U.S. and Canadian border, in essence, and it's where the Michigan Governor's Mansion is located. It is a political retreat, where politicians from all over the country meet and discuss their political agendas.[...]

It was also in Mackinac Island, Michigan, that I was subjected to the perversion of Gerald Ford. Gerald Ford had been sexually abusing me for a long time anyway. It is not that he was a typical pedophile, like another one of my abusers was, but instead it was more that he was interested in traumatizing the minds in sexual abuse so that he could gain control. He's what I refer to as try-sexual. He'd try anything, with anybody, any age, any time, anywhere. It didn't matter. What mattered was the perversion of power.

[When] Gerald Ford went into the office of President, this furthered what I had been conditioned to believe: that I had no place to run and no place to hide. Of course, since then, since I've been deprogrammed, I know I do have a place to run, and it's right at them. And I'm not the one with anything to hide. They're the ones who are hiding their secrets under this cloak of so-called "national security." But, nevertheless, that then was absolutely devastating to me because I sensed, I really couldn't think or rationalize, but yet I sensed that the whole world condoned child abuse, that the whole world was somehow involved in this, and that I'd long since lost my hope that there was a place in the world where good people even existed.

I truly felt that there was no place to turn to or run for help. Who was I to run to? My parents? The church? My school? Local politicians? Now I knew I couldn't even turn to the President of the United States. I felt totally trapped in mind control, which is exactly what they want, because the more helpless I felt, the more control that they had.

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Friday, January 5, 2007 5:06 PM

CITIZEN


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Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
Yep. Fruitcakes always give you half the truth, but ONLY half mind you.

It's the half that's interesting...

http://www.fireflyfans.net/thread.asp?b=18&t=25136#434264
For a lesson in the dangers of unchecked Schizophrenia.



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Saturday, January 6, 2007 5:43 AM

JONGSSTRAW


I'm glad he allowed his views on Iraq to be published after his death...too bad he didn't do the same and come clean about the Warren Commission's JFK assassination findings.

Maybe, someday when Spector passes on, Americans may learn the truth about that cabal that lied to America about the coup d'etat that occurred in 1963. I don't think Stone was too far off in some of his assertions in the JFK film.

Other "truths" owed to the American people someday :

1) Who killed Marilyn Monroe, and why?
2) Who killed RFK, and why?
3) Who killed Martin Luther King, and why?
4) How did Israel "mistakenly" sink and destroy the USS Liberty?
5) How and why did the USA abandon the crew of the captured USS Pueblo, allowing the N. Koreans
to torture our men for months?
6) Why did it take 400+ days to free the American Embassey hostages in Teheran?
7) Why did Bush wait a month to go after the Taliban?
8) Why did Bush sit there with those school kids after being told about the World Trade Center & Pentagon attacks?
9) How & why did our alliance and friendship with the USSR go to pieces immediately after Germany's surrender?
10) Who gave the USSR the bomb?
11) Who gave Israel the bomb?
12) Who gave India the bomb?
13) Why did the USA barely wait a couple of days before dropping the 2nd atom bomb on Nagasaki?
14) How & why did Pearl Harbor happen, if British Intelligence had supposedly already broken the Japanese code and given it to America?
15) Why didn't Rhett give Scarlett another chance?

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Saturday, January 6, 2007 6:15 AM

FINN MAC CUMHAL


Quote:

Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
I'm glad he allowed his views on Iraq to be published after his death...too bad he didn't do the same and come clean about the Warren Commission's JFK assassination findings.

Good news! He did.

“No. 1, Lee Harvey Oswald was the assassin. And two, the commission found no evidence of a conspiracy, foreign or domestic. And in my judgment, there has been no new evidence that would undercut those two conclusions, Oliver Stone notwithstanding.”

-- Gerald R. Ford, as published in USA Today, 2000



Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.

Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.

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Saturday, January 6, 2007 6:26 AM

JONGSSTRAW


Well, as I said, it's too bad he didn't come clean. He took the truth with him to the grave...I guess he felt America " couldn't handle the truth."

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Saturday, January 6, 2007 6:28 AM

FINN MAC CUMHAL


But, according to you, he gave us the truth about Iraq. So by "truth" what you really mean is "what you want to hear?"



Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.

Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.

-- Cicero

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Saturday, January 6, 2007 6:32 AM

CARTOON


Quote:

Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
Maybe, someday when Spector passes on, Americans may learn the truth about that cabal that lied to America about the coup d'etat that occurred in 1963.


Just to clarify, Specter was an attorney who worked for the commission -- along with several other miscellaneous and varied staff. He was not a commissioner. Ford was the last Commissioner from the Warren Commission.


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Saturday, January 6, 2007 6:34 AM

JONGSSTRAW


I wrote that he gave his views on Iraq. His personal views does not necessarily mean truth of the situation...He probably didn't know any more about Iraq than the rest of us regular citizens.

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Saturday, January 6, 2007 6:38 AM

JONGSSTRAW


Cartoon...thanks for your intelligent clarification of Spector's role.

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Saturday, January 6, 2007 6:42 AM

FINN MAC CUMHAL


Quote:

Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
I wrote that he gave his views on Iraq. His personal views does not necessarily mean truth of the situation...He probably didn't know any more about Iraq than the rest of us regular citizens.

Actually what you said:

“...he allowed his views on Iraq to be published after his death...too bad he didn't do the same and come clean about the Warren Commission's JFK assassination findings [emphasis mine]” Ibid.

In fact, he did do that same. He did publish his views on the Warren Commission’s findings. My guess is that the only way for Ford to “come clean” in your world is for him to tell you what you want to hear, right. What I mean is that, unless he tells you that there was some conspiracy to kill JFK, you won't accept what he says?
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Originally posted by cartoon:
Just to clarify, Specter was an attorney who worked for the commission -- along with several other miscellaneous and varied staff. He was not a commissioner. Ford was the last Commissioner from the Warren Commission.

Thank you. I knew there was some reason why I was thinking he was the last Warren commissioner. Because he was.



Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.

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Saturday, January 6, 2007 7:06 AM

CITIZEN


Quote:

Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
Maybe, someday when Spector passes on, Americans may learn the truth about that cabal that lied to America about the coup d'etat that occurred in 1963. I don't think Stone was too far off in some of his assertions in the JFK film.

Assasination of presidents that you don't agree with is one of the few American traditions.
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Other "truths" owed to the American people someday
I can answer at least some of these:
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4) How did Israel "mistakenly" sink and destroy the USS Liberty?
They didn't, they attacked it but the Liberty was not sunk.
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5) How and why did the USA abandon the crew of the captured USS Pueblo, allowing the N. Koreans to torture our men for months?
Because you can't just invade a country with a million man army backed by the Soviet Union in the middle of the cold war?
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6) Why did it take 400+ days to free the American Embassey hostages in Teheran?
Politics?
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7) Why did Bush wait a month to go after the Taliban?
Maybe he really wanted Iraq? Maybe it takes time to get an operation together?
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8) Why did Bush sit there with those school kids after being told about the World Trade Center & Pentagon attacks?
Because he's incompetent and thought the presidency was just going to be an easy ride his dad had arranged for him. Besides Cheyne wasn't around to tell him how to react.
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9) How & why did our alliance and friendship with the USSR go to pieces immediately after Germany's surrender?
I think you'll find it went to peices long before Germany's surrender, it's just we had a common enemy. It's fairly common actually, people band together against a common enemy then when the enemies gone they're at each others throats.
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10) Who gave the USSR the bomb?
Nazi Germany. Hitler was developing nuclear weapons during the second world war, and may have completed the research first if it wasn't for British commandos destroying the heavy water facillities, and of course Germany's defeat.

Simply put the Russians took back German research, and completed it.
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11) Who gave Israel the bomb?
Israel developed Nuclear weapons themselves in a joint program with the French. Or did they *shifty eyes*.
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12) Who gave India the bomb?
They developed it themselves. Come on, do you really think that Americans are the only people on Earth intelligent enough to make nuclear weapons? Does everyone else in the world wait with bated breath for the US to decide to lift them out of the stoneage?

In fact as far as weapons go nuclear one's really aren't that complex. There's probably enough information on the net for anyone with the will and mathematical abillity to build a simple one, the trick would be obtaining the nuclear materials.
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13) Why did the USA barely wait a couple of days before dropping the 2nd atom bomb on Nagasaki?
Why not?
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14) How & why did Pearl Harbor happen, if British Intelligence had supposedly already broken the Japanese code and given it to America?
It's not like the Japanese were screaming at the tops of their lungs about it, the idea of a sneak attack is to keep it secret, from everyone, including most of the people doing the attacking.
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15) Why didn't Rhett give Scarlett another chance?
Rhett was an arse hole.



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Saturday, January 6, 2007 7:10 AM

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Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
Cartoon...thanks for your intelligent clarification of Spector's role.


You're welcome.

Although, I was alive at the time (a wee lad, mind you), the only reason I know about Specter is because he's one of the Senators from my state.

I wouldn't be surprised if other members of the Commission's staff were still living, as well -- although, I don't know.

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Saturday, January 6, 2007 7:25 AM

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Citizen......good stuff, and thank's for the correction on the Liberty.


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Saturday, January 6, 2007 7:29 AM

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Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
Citizen......good stuff, and thank's for the correction on the Liberty.


Np, also if you take a look at the wikipedia page (not the most accurate of sources I grant you but can still be useful) lists some of the proposed reasons why it may have been deliberate, plus the arguments for and against:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Liberty_incident



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