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Saturday, April 5, 2025 3:33 AM
JEWELSTAITEFAN
Quote:Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN: BLS currently defines the Want A Job category as not being part of the Labor Force. So I will post some actual numbers and let the comparisons and discussion follow. The documented shenanigans of Obamabots deliberately refusing to Report jobless data in the months before the 2012 Election are a different matter, I will just use the Fake Data they produced and pretend it was real. I will use only the Unadjusted numbers, to help maintain clarity and transparency.
Quote:The Civilian Adult Population steadily Increases, suggesting that figure is not manipulated. The Unemployment Rate after 2008 was able to be artificially less by shifting more unemployed into the Want A Job category, which Obamanomics managed to increase to over 7 Million for the only time in the BLS tables. This Jan figure (Want A Job) didn't return to within 0.1% of 2008 level until 2018, after Trump's first year. The figure of Unemployed plus Want A Job is indisputably the real Unfake Unemployment figure. The Labor Force Participation Rate steadily dropped each year until finally reversing in 2017, Trump's first year. The Want A Job count maxxed out in Aug 2012, just as Obama was proclaiming that Unemployment Rates had dropped, which he needed to get below 8.0% by October, in order to win re-election.
Quote:I will post some actual numbers and let the comparisons and discussion follow. The documented shenanigans of Obamabots deliberately refusing to Report jobless data in the months before the 2012 Election are a different matter, I will just use the Fake Data they produced and pretend it was real. The BLS uses both Seasonally Adjusted figures and Unadjusted figures, and interchanges them without clearly identifying so. For example, the current Rate of 4.1% (for 4 months straight) is SeasAdj, and the real Rate is 4.5% for Jan 2018. I will use only the Unadjusted numbers, to help maintain clarity and transparency. Some numbers may have a 0 placed as first digit, to maintain column form in this format. The 1st column of numbers is the unemployed. The 2nd column is the Rate. The 3rd column is what is called Marginally Attached to the Labor Force, which is included in the Want A Job Now category but NOT included in the Labor Force category and therefore excluded from the reported Unemployment category. The 5th column is the sum of Unemployed plus Marginally Attached - which more accurately represents the Actual Unemployed. The 6th column is the Rate for column 5 figure. The 7th column is the Involuntary Part-Time workers, who are Not Employed Full Time due to poor Economy, and want, are able to work FT. The 8th column is the Rate for column 7. The 9th column is the sum of the 5th column plus 7th column. 10th column is the Rate for column 9 figure. The Rates in columns 2, 4, 6, 8, 10 have the denominator of Labor Force. The 11th column is the Civilian Population. 12th column is Labor Force, 13th column is Participation Rate. 14th column is the published U-6 figure.
Quote:Comparing to The Great Depression: the Unemployment peaked in 1933 at 24.75% with 12.830 Million unemployed. In 1932 there were 12.060 M unemployed, and 11.340M in 1934, 10.610 in 1935. The 5 year stretch from 2009 to 2014 exceeded 12.9 Million each year, more Unemployed than the Great Depression. And 2014 was only less with the Fake figure, but including Marginally Attached was still more than Great Depression. The Civilian Adult Population steadily Increases, suggesting that figure is not manipulated. The Unemployment Rate was almost doubled by Jan 2010, and the Fake figure didn't return to 2008 level until Jan 2016. This figure after 2008 was able to be artificially less by shifting more unemployed into the Marginally Attached category, which Obamanomics managed to almost double. This Jan figure didn't return to 2008 level until 2017, after Trump was Elected. With 10 Million in 2008, this count did not fall back to sub-10 Million until 2017.
Quote:Comparing to The Great Depression: the Unemployment peaked in 1933 at 24.75% with 12.830 Million unemployed. In 1932 there were 12.060 M unemployed, and 11.340M in 1934, 10.610 in 1935. The 5 year stretch from 2009 to 2014 exceeded 12.9 Million each year, more Unemployed than the Great Depression. And 2014 was only less with the Fake figure, but including Marginally Attached was still more than Great Depression. The Civilian Adult Population steadily Increases, suggesting that figure is not manipulated. The Unemployment Rate was almost doubled by Jan 2010, and the Fake figure didn't return to 2008 level until Jan 2016. This figure after 2008 was able to be artificially less by shifting more unemployed into the Marginally Attached category, which Obamanomics managed to almost double. This Jan figure didn't return to 2008 level until 2017, after Trump was Elected. With 10 Million in 2008, this count did not fall back to sub-10 Million until 2017. With Obamanomics pushing more into the Involuntary Part-Time group, this also got bloated to disguise the horrible Unemployment problems, and this Rate did not return to 2008 level until 2018. The Jan Rate of all 3 categories combined of Obamanomics Unemployment did not fall back to 2008 level until 2018. The Labor Force Participation Rate steadily dropped each year until finally reversing in 2017, Trump's first year.
Quote:Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN: The shadowstats site is lean on actual data, requiring a subscription to access what it claims as database. However, I will make attempt to add in some of the data it presents. This does make assumption that their methodology and counting methods are valid, which I cannot find clear information about. There also may be comingling of Seasonally Adjusted figures from shadowstats without clarity, but this will be the only series of Tables I post which veer from Not Seasonally Adjusted figures. The charts they present do show that Unemployment under Trump is better than any time under Obamanomics, so it may be a worthwhile endeavor to investigate. I will refer to this set of data as Table JSF-URF-5 I will post some actual numbers and let the comparisons and discussion follow. The documented shenanigans of Obamabots deliberately refusing to Report jobless data in the months before the 2012 Election are a different matter, I will just use the Fake Data they produced and pretend it was real. The 1st column of numbers is the unemployed. The 2nd column is the Rate. The 3rd column is the sum of the Unemployed plus Marginally Attached plus Involuntary Part-time. 4th column is the Rate for column 3 figure. The Rates in columns 2 and 4 have the denominator of Labor Force. The 5th column is the Civilian Population. 6th column is Labor Force, 7th column is Participation Rate. 8th column is the published U-6 figure. The 9th column is the Real Unemployment figure, as presented by shadowstats. The 10th column is the underreported, the difference between the U-6 figure from BLS and the Real figure from shadowstats. Figures in thousands. MoYr Unem Pcnt Total Prcnt CivPop LbrForc Prtc% U6% Real Separation Ja93 09911 07.9 16575 12.8 192644 126034 65.4 Ja94 09492 07.3 16575 12.8 195953 129393 66.0 12% 15.3% 2.3% Ja95 08101 06.2 14504 11.1 197753 130698 66.1 10% 13.5% 3.5% Ja96 08270 06.3 14110 10.7 199634 131396 65.8 10.8% 13.5% 2.7% Ja97 07933 05.9 13886 10.3 202285 134317 66.4 10.4% 13% 2.6% Ja98 07069 05.2 12638 09.3 204238 135951 66.6 09.3% 12% 2.7% Ja99 06604 04.8 11607 08.4 206719 137943 66.7 08.5% 11.5% 3.0% Ja00 06316 04.5 10868 07.8 208782 139621 66.9 07.8% 11% 3.2% Ja01 06647 04.7 11496 08.2 210889 141049 66.9 08.1% 10.5% 2.4% Ja02 08935 06.3 14693 10.4 213089 141074 66.2 10.5% 13% 2.5% Ja02 09051 06.3 15036 10.5 216506 143228 66.2 10.5% 13% 2.5% Ja03 09395 06.5 15996 11.0 219897 145301 66.1 11.0% 13% 2.0% Ja04 09144 06.3 15966 10.9 222161 146068 65.7 10.9% 14% 3.1% Ja05 08444 05.7 15041 10.2 224837 147125 65.4 10.2% 13% 2.8% Ja06 07608 05.1 13765 09.2 227553 149090 65.5 09.2% 12% 2.8% Ja07 07649 05.0 13846 09.1 230650 151924 65.9 09.1% 12% 2.9% Ja08 08221 05.4 15185 09.9 232616 152828 65.7 09.9% 13% 3.1% Ja09 13009 08.5 23814 15.5 234739 153445 65.4 15.4% 20% 4.6% Ja10 16147 10.6 27847 18.2 236832 152957 64.6 18.0% 22% 4.0% Ja11 14937 09.8 26764 17.5 238704 152536 63.9 17.3% 22.5% 5.2% Ja12 13541 08.8 25097 16.4 242269 153485 63.4 16.2% 22.5% 6.3% Ja13 13181 08.5 24130 15.6 244663 154794 63.3 15.4% 23% 7.6% Ja14 10855 07.0 21064 13.6 246915 154381 62.5 13.5% 23.5% 10% Ja15 09498 06.1 18857 12.1 249723 156050 62.5 12.0% 23.5% 11.5% Ja16 08309 05.3 16632 10.6 252397 157347 62.3 10.5% 23% 12.5% Ja17 08149 05.1 16028 10.1 254082 158676 62.5 10.1% 23% 12.9% Ja18 07189 04.5 14222 08.9 256780 160037 62.3 08.9% 22% 13.1% Ja19 07140 04.4 14297 08.8 258239 162104 62.8 08.8% 21.8% 13.0% Ja20 06504 04.0 12573 07.7 259502 163497 63.0 07.7% 21.0% 13.3% Ja21 10851 06.8 19188 12.1 260851 159234 61.0 12.0% 25.7% 13.7% Ja22 07207 04.4 12924 07.9 263202 162825 61.9 07.9% 24.5% 16.6% Ja23 06378 03.9 12213 07.4 265962 165070 62.1 07.4% 24.5% 17.1% Ja18 07189 04.5 14222 08.9 256780 160037 62.3 08.9% 22% 13.1% Fb18 07091 04.4 13934 08.6 256934 161494 62.9 08.6% 21.9% 13.3% Mr18 06671 04.1 13100 08.1 257097 161548 62.8 08.1% 21.8% 13.7% Ap18 05932 03.7 11925 07.4 257272 161280 62.7 07.4% 21.5% 14.1% My18 05657 03.6 11789 07.3 257454 161765 62.8 07.3% 21.4% 14.1% Jn18 06812 04.2 13223 08.1 257642 163277 63.4 08.1% 21.5% 13.4% J l 18 06730 04.1 12929 07.9 257843 163734 63.5 07.9% 21.3% 13.4% Au18 06370 03.9 12076 07.4 258066 161909 62.7 07.4% 21.2% 13.8% Se18 05766 03.6 11581 07.2 258290 161958 62.7 07.1% 21.3% 14.2% Oc18 05771 03.5 11431 07.0 258514 162723 62.9 07.0% 21.2% 14.2% Nv18 05650 03.5 11840 07.3 258708 162665 62.9 07.2% 21.4% 14.2% Dc18 06029 03.7 12206 07.4 258888 162510 62.8 07.5% 21.4% 13.9% Ja19 07140 04.4 14297 08.8 258239 162104 62.8 08.8% 21.8% 13.0% Fe19 06625 04.1 12526 07.7 258392 162793 63.0 07.7% 21.1% 13.4% Mr19 06382 03.9 12287 07.5 258537 162823 63.0 07.5% 21.2% 13.7% Ap19 05387 03.3 11228 06.9 258693 162097 62.7 06.9% 21.2% 14.3% My19 05503 03.4 10968 06.7 258861 162655 62.8 06.7% 21.1% 14.4% Jn19 06292 03.8 12392 07.5 259037 164120 63.4 07.5% 21.2% 13.7% J l 19 06556 04.0 12051 07.3 259225 164941 63.6 07.3% 21.0% 13.7% Au19 06203 03.8 12004 07.3 259432 164019 63.2 07.3% 21.2% 13.9% Se19 05465 03.3 10689 06.5 259638 163943 63.1 06.5% 20.9% 14.4% Oc19 05510 03.3 10700 06.5 259845 164576 63.3 06.5% 21.0% 14.5% Nv19 05441 03.3 10740 06.5 260020 164386 63.2 06.5% 20.9% 14.4% Dc19 05503 03.4 10919 06.7 260181 164007 63.0 06.7% 20.8% 14.1% Ja20 06504 04.0 12573 07.7 259502 163497 63.0 07.7% 21.0% 13.3% Fe20 06218 03.8 12213 07.4 259628 164235 63.3 07.4% 21.1% 13.7% Mr20 07370 04.5 14538 08.9 259758 162537 62.6 08.9% 22.9% 14.0% Ap20 22504 14.4 35239 22.6 259896 155830 60.0 22.4% 39.3% 16.9% My20 20514 13.0 33092 20.9 260047 157975 60.7 20.7% 36.5% 15.8% Jn20 18072 11.2 29768 18.5 260204 160883 61.8 18.3% 31.2% 12.9% J l20 16882 10.5 27430 17.0 260373 161374 62.0 16.8% 30.0% 13.2% Au20 13742 08.5 23212 14.4 260558 160966 61.8 14.3% 28.0% 13.7% Se20 12277 07.7 20099 12.6 260742 160073 61.4 12.4% 26.9% 14.5% Oc20 10620 06.6 18780 11.7 260925 161053 61.7 11.6% 26.3% 14.7% No20 10264 06.4 18755 11.7 261085 160468 61.5 11.6% 26.3% 14.7% De20 10404 06.5 18732 11.7 261230 160017 61.3 11.6% 26.2% 14.6% Ja21 10851 06.8 19188 12.1 260851 159234 61.0 12.0% 25.7% 13.7% Fe21 10486 06.6 19743 12.3 260918 160008 61.3 11.6% 25.8% 14.2% Mr21 09905 06.2 17547 10.9 261003 160397 61.5 10.9% 25.7% 14.8% Ap21 09220 05.7 15951 09.9 261103 160379 61.4 09.9% 25.5% 15.6% My21 08829 05.5 15717 09.8 261210 160607 61.5 09.7% 26.0% 16.3% Jn21 09883 06.1 16515 10.2 261338 162167 62.1 10.1% 25.8% 15.7% J l21 09221 05.7 15670 09.6 261469 162817 62.3 09.6% 25.4% 15.8% Au21 08556 05.3 14423 08.9 261611 161788 61.8 08.9% 25.4% 16.5% Se21 07366 04.6 13175 08.2 261766 161392 61.7 08.1% 25.1% 17.0% Oc21 06896 04.3 12532 07.7 261908 161863 61.8 07.7% 25.1% 17.4% No21 06302 03.9 12017 07.4 262029 162099 61.9 07.4% 24.8% 17.4% De21 05964 03.7 11629 07.2 262136 161696 61.7 07.2% 24.5% 17.3% Ja22 07207 04.4 12924 07.9 263202 162825 61.9 07.9% 24.5% 16.6% Fe22 06782 04.1 12556 07.7 263324 163725 62.2 07.6% 24.6% 17.0% Mr22 06168 03.8 11660 07.1 263444 164274 62.4 07.1% 24.4% 17.3% Ap22 05458 03.3 10805 06.6 263559 163449 62.0 06.6% 24.5% 17.9% My22 05548 03.4 10998 06.7 263679 164157 62.3 06.7% 24.6% 17.9% Jn22 06334 03.8 11688 07.1 263835 165012 60.1 07.0% 24.3% 17.3% J l22 06255 03.8 11936 07.2 264012 165321 60.2 07.2% 24.4% 17.2% Au22 06256 03.8 11664 07.1 264184 164973 62.4 07.0% 24.6% 17.6% Se22 05460 03.3 10558 06.4 264356 164463 62.2 06.4% 24.4% 18.0% Oc22 05609 03.4 10379 06.3 264535 164753 62.3 06.3% 24.5% 18.2% No22 05523 03.4 10522 06.4 264708 164272 62.1 06.4% 24.4% 18.0% De22 05352 03.3 10521 06.4 264844 164224 62.0 06.4% 24.4% 18.0% Ja23 06378 03.9 12213 07.4 265962 165070 62.1 07.4% 24.5% 17.1% Fe23 06465 03.9 12031 07.2 266112 166178 62.4 07.3% 24.6% 17.3% Mr23 06043 03.6 11348 06.8 266272 166783 62.6 06.8% 24.6% 17.8% Ap23 05146 03.1 10234 06.2 266443 166221 62.4 06.1% 24.6% 18.5% My23 05700 03.4 10695 06.4 266618 166702 62.5 06.4% 24.7% 18.3% Jn23 06351 03.8 12167 07.2 266801 167910 62.9 07.2% 24.9% 17.7% J l23 06372 03.8 11921 07.1 267002 168354 63.1 07.1% 24.9% 17.8% Au23 06623 03.9 12207 07.3 267213 168049 62.9 07.2% Se23 06049 03.6 11239 06.7 267428 167718 62.7 06.7% Oc23 06098 03.6 11412 267642 167774 62.7 06.8% No23 05827 03.5 1625 1.0 07452 04.4 3796 2.3 11248 06.7 267822 167977 62.7 06.7 De23 05907 03.5 1567 7474 4229 11703 267991 166661 62.2 07.0 Fe24 06970 04.2 1559 0.9 08529 05.1 4479 2.7 13008 07.8 267711 167285 62.5 07.8 Mr24 06604 03.9 1439 0.9 08043 04.8 4343 2.6 12386 07.4 267884 167960 62.7 07.4 May24 06235 03.7% 6259 12496 4152 16648 268248 167536 62.5 07.1 Jn24 07233 04.3 1548 0.9 08781 05.2 4350 2.6 13131 07.8 268438 169007 63.0 07.7 Jl24 07685 04.5 1628 1.0 09313 05.5 4661 2.7 13974 08.2 268644 169723 63.2 08.2 Au24 07415 04.4 1359 0.8 08774 05.2 4677 2.8 13451 08.0 268856 168763 62.8 08.0 Se24 06524 03.9 *756 0.4 *7280 *4.3 4227 2.5 11507 06.8 269080 168569 62.6 07.3 Oc24 06631 03.9 1547 0.9 08178 04.9 4122 2.4 12300 07.3 269289 168569 62.6 07.3 No24 06708 04.0 1615 1.0 08323 04.9 4252 2.5 12575 07.5 269463 168164 62.4 07.4 De24 06452 03.8 1565 08017 4385 12402 269638 167746 62.2 07.4 Ja25 07467 04.4 1703 1.0 09170 05.4 4854 2.9 14024 08.3 272685 169814 62.3 08.2 Fe25 07572 04.5 1733 1.0 09305 05.5 5086 3.0 14391 08.5 272847 170116 62.3 08.4 Mr25 07242 04.2 1539 0.9 08780 05.1 4813 2.8 13593 08.0 273023 170653 62.5 07.9 J l 12 13400 08.6 24147 15.4 243354 156526 64.3 Au12 12696 08.2 22980 14.8 243566 155255 63.7 Se12 11742 07.6 22262 14.4 243772 155075 63.6 Oc12 11741 07.5 21942 14.1 243983 155779 63.8 Nv12 11404 07.4 21807 14.1 244174 154953 63.5 General color-coding guidelines: This color mostly highlights the most favorable figure of it's column in the Table. This color mostly highlights the most favorable figure of it's column since 9/11, or else since the Rock-The-Vote Democrat Recession. This color highlights the worst figures in it's column in the Table, including loss of Labor Force count. Quote:Comparing to The Great Depression: the Unemployment peaked in 1933 at 24.75% with 12.830 Million unemployed. In 1932 there were 12.060 M unemployed, and 11.340M in 1934, 10.610 in 1935. The 5 year stretch from 2009 to 2014 exceeded 12.9 Million each year, more Unemployed than the Great Depression. And 2014 was only less with the Fake figure, but including Marginally Attached was still more than Great Depression. The Civilian Adult Population steadily Increases, suggesting that figure is not manipulated. The Unemployment Rate was almost doubled by Jan 2010, and the Fake figure didn't return to 2008 level until Jan 2016. This figure after 2008 was able to be artificially less by shifting more unemployed into the Marginally Attached category, which Obamanomics managed to almost double. This Jan figure didn't return to 2008 level until 2017, after Trump was Elected. With 10 Million in 2008, this count did not fall back to sub-10 Million until 2017. A key factor that shadowstats points out is that the feeder category, the category which generates the discrepancy between BLS Fiction and reality, is the Marginally Attached. When Obamanomics doubled this figure, it was able to permanently exclude these Unemployed from the stats for the remainder of the Obamanomics Stagnation Extended Recession. It was much more difficult for Obama to expell his victims from the BLS rolls around 2011 when Unemployment was so bad there were Extended Benefits, (so applicants were required to document work searches before getting Unemployment Insurance Payments) - and this part of the Work Force could not be deleted from the Labor Force until they stopped documenting their search for work. The figure of Unemployed plus Marginally Attached is indisputably the real Unfake Unemployment figure since the Redefining of 1994 (which shadowstats states was to cover up the Losses of Employment from NAFTA). It does not return to Jan 2008 level until 2017, after Trump was Elected. For April 2018 this figure is lower than any January figure since it was created in 1994. The Jan Rate of all 3 categories combined of Obamanomics Unemployment did not fall back to 2008 level until 2018.
Saturday, April 5, 2025 3:34 AM
Quote: The Civilian Adult Population steadily Increases, suggesting that figure is not manipulated. Except possibly 2010, 2011, 2016. The Labor Force Participation Rate steadily dropped each year until finally reversing in 2017, Trump's first year.
Saturday, May 3, 2025 3:06 AM
Quote:Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN: The shadowstats site is lean on actual data, requiring a subscription to access what it claims as database. However, I will make attempt to add in some of the data it presents. This does make assumption that their methodology and counting methods are valid, which I cannot find clear information about. There also may be comingling of Seasonally Adjusted figures from shadowstats without clarity, but this will be the only series of Tables I post which veer from Not Seasonally Adjusted figures. The charts they present do show that Unemployment under Trump is better than any time under Obamanomics, so it may be a worthwhile endeavor to investigate. I will refer to this set of data as Table JSF-URF-5 I will post some actual numbers and let the comparisons and discussion follow. The documented shenanigans of Obamabots deliberately refusing to Report jobless data in the months before the 2012 Election are a different matter, I will just use the Fake Data they produced and pretend it was real. The 1st column of numbers is the unemployed. The 2nd column is the Rate. The 3rd column is the sum of the Unemployed plus Marginally Attached plus Involuntary Part-time. 4th column is the Rate for column 3 figure. The Rates in columns 2 and 4 have the denominator of Labor Force. The 5th column is the Civilian Population. 6th column is Labor Force, 7th column is Participation Rate. 8th column is the published U-6 figure. The 9th column is the Real Unemployment figure, as presented by shadowstats. The 10th column is the underreported, the difference between the U-6 figure from BLS and the Real figure from shadowstats. Figures in thousands. MoYr Unem Pcnt Total Prcnt CivPop LbrForc Prtc% U6% Real Separation Ja93 09911 07.9 16575 12.8 192644 126034 65.4 Ja94 09492 07.3 16575 12.8 195953 129393 66.0 12% 15.3% 2.3% Ja95 08101 06.2 14504 11.1 197753 130698 66.1 10% 13.5% 3.5% Ja96 08270 06.3 14110 10.7 199634 131396 65.8 10.8% 13.5% 2.7% Ja97 07933 05.9 13886 10.3 202285 134317 66.4 10.4% 13% 2.6% Ja98 07069 05.2 12638 09.3 204238 135951 66.6 09.3% 12% 2.7% Ja99 06604 04.8 11607 08.4 206719 137943 66.7 08.5% 11.5% 3.0% Ja00 06316 04.5 10868 07.8 208782 139621 66.9 07.8% 11% 3.2% Ja01 06647 04.7 11496 08.2 210889 141049 66.9 08.1% 10.5% 2.4% Ja02 08935 06.3 14693 10.4 213089 141074 66.2 10.5% 13% 2.5% Ja02 09051 06.3 15036 10.5 216506 143228 66.2 10.5% 13% 2.5% Ja03 09395 06.5 15996 11.0 219897 145301 66.1 11.0% 13% 2.0% Ja04 09144 06.3 15966 10.9 222161 146068 65.7 10.9% 14% 3.1% Ja05 08444 05.7 15041 10.2 224837 147125 65.4 10.2% 13% 2.8% Ja06 07608 05.1 13765 09.2 227553 149090 65.5 09.2% 12% 2.8% Ja07 07649 05.0 13846 09.1 230650 151924 65.9 09.1% 12% 2.9% Ja08 08221 05.4 15185 09.9 232616 152828 65.7 09.9% 13% 3.1% Ja09 13009 08.5 23814 15.5 234739 153445 65.4 15.4% 20% 4.6% Ja10 16147 10.6 27847 18.2 236832 152957 64.6 18.0% 22% 4.0% Ja11 14937 09.8 26764 17.5 238704 152536 63.9 17.3% 22.5% 5.2% Ja12 13541 08.8 25097 16.4 242269 153485 63.4 16.2% 22.5% 6.3% Ja13 13181 08.5 24130 15.6 244663 154794 63.3 15.4% 23% 7.6% Ja14 10855 07.0 21064 13.6 246915 154381 62.5 13.5% 23.5% 10% Ja15 09498 06.1 18857 12.1 249723 156050 62.5 12.0% 23.5% 11.5% Ja16 08309 05.3 16632 10.6 252397 157347 62.3 10.5% 23% 12.5% Ja17 08149 05.1 16028 10.1 254082 158676 62.5 10.1% 23% 12.9% Ja18 07189 04.5 14222 08.9 256780 160037 62.3 08.9% 22% 13.1% Ja19 07140 04.4 14297 08.8 258239 162104 62.8 08.8% 21.8% 13.0% Ja20 06504 04.0 12573 07.7 259502 163497 63.0 07.7% 21.0% 13.3% Ja21 10851 06.8 19188 12.1 260851 159234 61.0 12.0% 25.7% 13.7% Ja22 07207 04.4 12924 07.9 263202 162825 61.9 07.9% 24.5% 16.6% Ja23 06378 03.9 12213 07.4 265962 165070 62.1 07.4% 24.5% 17.1% Ja18 07189 04.5 14222 08.9 256780 160037 62.3 08.9% 22% 13.1% Fb18 07091 04.4 13934 08.6 256934 161494 62.9 08.6% 21.9% 13.3% Mr18 06671 04.1 13100 08.1 257097 161548 62.8 08.1% 21.8% 13.7% Ap18 05932 03.7 11925 07.4 257272 161280 62.7 07.4% 21.5% 14.1% My18 05657 03.6 11789 07.3 257454 161765 62.8 07.3% 21.4% 14.1% Jn18 06812 04.2 13223 08.1 257642 163277 63.4 08.1% 21.5% 13.4% J l 18 06730 04.1 12929 07.9 257843 163734 63.5 07.9% 21.3% 13.4% Au18 06370 03.9 12076 07.4 258066 161909 62.7 07.4% 21.2% 13.8% Se18 05766 03.6 11581 07.2 258290 161958 62.7 07.1% 21.3% 14.2% Oc18 05771 03.5 11431 07.0 258514 162723 62.9 07.0% 21.2% 14.2% Nv18 05650 03.5 11840 07.3 258708 162665 62.9 07.2% 21.4% 14.2% Dc18 06029 03.7 12206 07.4 258888 162510 62.8 07.5% 21.4% 13.9% Ja19 07140 04.4 14297 08.8 258239 162104 62.8 08.8% 21.8% 13.0% Fe19 06625 04.1 12526 07.7 258392 162793 63.0 07.7% 21.1% 13.4% Mr19 06382 03.9 12287 07.5 258537 162823 63.0 07.5% 21.2% 13.7% Ap19 05387 03.3 11228 06.9 258693 162097 62.7 06.9% 21.2% 14.3% My19 05503 03.4 10968 06.7 258861 162655 62.8 06.7% 21.1% 14.4% Jn19 06292 03.8 12392 07.5 259037 164120 63.4 07.5% 21.2% 13.7% J l 19 06556 04.0 12051 07.3 259225 164941 63.6 07.3% 21.0% 13.7% Au19 06203 03.8 12004 07.3 259432 164019 63.2 07.3% 21.2% 13.9% Se19 05465 03.3 10689 06.5 259638 163943 63.1 06.5% 20.9% 14.4% Oc19 05510 03.3 10700 06.5 259845 164576 63.3 06.5% 21.0% 14.5% Nv19 05441 03.3 10740 06.5 260020 164386 63.2 06.5% 20.9% 14.4% Dc19 05503 03.4 10919 06.7 260181 164007 63.0 06.7% 20.8% 14.1% Ja20 06504 04.0 12573 07.7 259502 163497 63.0 07.7% 21.0% 13.3% Fe20 06218 03.8 12213 07.4 259628 164235 63.3 07.4% 21.1% 13.7% Mr20 07370 04.5 14538 08.9 259758 162537 62.6 08.9% 22.9% 14.0% Ap20 22504 14.4 35239 22.6 259896 155830 60.0 22.4% 39.3% 16.9% My20 20514 13.0 33092 20.9 260047 157975 60.7 20.7% 36.5% 15.8% Jn20 18072 11.2 29768 18.5 260204 160883 61.8 18.3% 31.2% 12.9% J l20 16882 10.5 27430 17.0 260373 161374 62.0 16.8% 30.0% 13.2% Au20 13742 08.5 23212 14.4 260558 160966 61.8 14.3% 28.0% 13.7% Se20 12277 07.7 20099 12.6 260742 160073 61.4 12.4% 26.9% 14.5% Oc20 10620 06.6 18780 11.7 260925 161053 61.7 11.6% 26.3% 14.7% No20 10264 06.4 18755 11.7 261085 160468 61.5 11.6% 26.3% 14.7% De20 10404 06.5 18732 11.7 261230 160017 61.3 11.6% 26.2% 14.6% Ja21 10851 06.8 19188 12.1 260851 159234 61.0 12.0% 25.7% 13.7% Fe21 10486 06.6 19743 12.3 260918 160008 61.3 11.6% 25.8% 14.2% Mr21 09905 06.2 17547 10.9 261003 160397 61.5 10.9% 25.7% 14.8% Ap21 09220 05.7 15951 09.9 261103 160379 61.4 09.9% 25.5% 15.6% My21 08829 05.5 15717 09.8 261210 160607 61.5 09.7% 26.0% 16.3% Jn21 09883 06.1 16515 10.2 261338 162167 62.1 10.1% 25.8% 15.7% J l21 09221 05.7 15670 09.6 261469 162817 62.3 09.6% 25.4% 15.8% Au21 08556 05.3 14423 08.9 261611 161788 61.8 08.9% 25.4% 16.5% Se21 07366 04.6 13175 08.2 261766 161392 61.7 08.1% 25.1% 17.0% Oc21 06896 04.3 12532 07.7 261908 161863 61.8 07.7% 25.1% 17.4% No21 06302 03.9 12017 07.4 262029 162099 61.9 07.4% 24.8% 17.4% De21 05964 03.7 11629 07.2 262136 161696 61.7 07.2% 24.5% 17.3% Ja22 07207 04.4 12924 07.9 263202 162825 61.9 07.9% 24.5% 16.6% Fe22 06782 04.1 12556 07.7 263324 163725 62.2 07.6% 24.6% 17.0% Mr22 06168 03.8 11660 07.1 263444 164274 62.4 07.1% 24.4% 17.3% Ap22 05458 03.3 10805 06.6 263559 163449 62.0 06.6% 24.5% 17.9% My22 05548 03.4 10998 06.7 263679 164157 62.3 06.7% 24.6% 17.9% Jn22 06334 03.8 11688 07.1 263835 165012 60.1 07.0% 24.3% 17.3% J l22 06255 03.8 11936 07.2 264012 165321 60.2 07.2% 24.4% 17.2% Au22 06256 03.8 11664 07.1 264184 164973 62.4 07.0% 24.6% 17.6% Se22 05460 03.3 10558 06.4 264356 164463 62.2 06.4% 24.4% 18.0% Oc22 05609 03.4 10379 06.3 264535 164753 62.3 06.3% 24.5% 18.2% No22 05523 03.4 10522 06.4 264708 164272 62.1 06.4% 24.4% 18.0% De22 05352 03.3 10521 06.4 264844 164224 62.0 06.4% 24.4% 18.0% Ja23 06378 03.9 12213 07.4 265962 165070 62.1 07.4% 24.5% 17.1% Fe23 06465 03.9 12031 07.2 266112 166178 62.4 07.3% 24.6% 17.3% Mr23 06043 03.6 11348 06.8 266272 166783 62.6 06.8% 24.6% 17.8% Ap23 05146 03.1 10234 06.2 266443 166221 62.4 06.1% 24.6% 18.5% My23 05700 03.4 10695 06.4 266618 166702 62.5 06.4% 24.7% 18.3% Jn23 06351 03.8 12167 07.2 266801 167910 62.9 07.2% 24.9% 17.7% J l23 06372 03.8 11921 07.1 267002 168354 63.1 07.1% 24.9% 17.8% Au23 06623 03.9 12207 07.3 267213 168049 62.9 07.2% Se23 06049 03.6 11239 06.7 267428 167718 62.7 06.7% Oc23 06098 03.6 11412 267642 167774 62.7 06.8% No23 05827 03.5 1625 1.0 07452 04.4 3796 2.3 11248 06.7 267822 167977 62.7 06.7 De23 05907 03.5 1567 7474 4229 11703 267991 166661 62.2 07.0 Fe24 06970 04.2 1559 0.9 08529 05.1 4479 2.7 13008 07.8 267711 167285 62.5 07.8 Mr24 06604 03.9 1439 0.9 08043 04.8 4343 2.6 12386 07.4 267884 167960 62.7 07.4 May24 06235 03.7% 6259 12496 4152 16648 268248 167536 62.5 07.1 Jn24 07233 04.3 1548 0.9 08781 05.2 4350 2.6 13131 07.8 268438 169007 63.0 07.7 Jl24 07685 04.5 1628 1.0 09313 05.5 4661 2.7 13974 08.2 268644 169723 63.2 08.2 Au24 07415 04.4 1359 0.8 08774 05.2 4677 2.8 13451 08.0 268856 168763 62.8 08.0 Se24 06524 03.9 *756 0.4 *7280 *4.3 4227 2.5 11507 06.8 269080 168569 62.6 07.3 Oc24 06631 03.9 1547 0.9 08178 04.9 4122 2.4 12300 07.3 269289 168569 62.6 07.3 No24 06708 04.0 1615 1.0 08323 04.9 4252 2.5 12575 07.5 269463 168164 62.4 07.4 De24 06452 03.8 1565 08017 4385 12402 269638 167746 62.2 07.4 Ja25 07467 04.4 1703 1.0 09170 05.4 4854 2.9 14024 08.3 272685 169814 62.3 08.2 Fe25 07572 04.5 1733 1.0 09305 05.5 5086 3.0 14391 08.5 272847 170116 62.3 08.4 Mr25 07242 04.2 1539 0.9 08780 05.1 4813 2.8 13593 08.0 273023 170653 62.5 07.9 Ap25 06580 03.9 1570 0.9 08150 04.8 4431 2.6 12581 07.2 273197 170622 62.5 07.3 J l 12 13400 08.6 24147 15.4 243354 156526 64.3 Au12 12696 08.2 22980 14.8 243566 155255 63.7 Se12 11742 07.6 22262 14.4 243772 155075 63.6 Oc12 11741 07.5 21942 14.1 243983 155779 63.8 Nv12 11404 07.4 21807 14.1 244174 154953 63.5 General color-coding guidelines: This color mostly highlights the most favorable figure of it's column in the Table. This color mostly highlights the most favorable figure of it's column since 9/11, or else since the Rock-The-Vote Democrat Recession. This color highlights the worst figures in it's column in the Table, including loss of Labor Force count. Quote:Comparing to The Great Depression: the Unemployment peaked in 1933 at 24.75% with 12.830 Million unemployed. In 1932 there were 12.060 M unemployed, and 11.340M in 1934, 10.610 in 1935. The 5 year stretch from 2009 to 2014 exceeded 12.9 Million each year, more Unemployed than the Great Depression. And 2014 was only less with the Fake figure, but including Marginally Attached was still more than Great Depression. The Civilian Adult Population steadily Increases, suggesting that figure is not manipulated. The Unemployment Rate was almost doubled by Jan 2010, and the Fake figure didn't return to 2008 level until Jan 2016. This figure after 2008 was able to be artificially less by shifting more unemployed into the Marginally Attached category, which Obamanomics managed to almost double. This Jan figure didn't return to 2008 level until 2017, after Trump was Elected. With 10 Million in 2008, this count did not fall back to sub-10 Million until 2017. A key factor that shadowstats points out is that the feeder category, the category which generates the discrepancy between BLS Fiction and reality, is the Marginally Attached. When Obamanomics doubled this figure, it was able to permanently exclude these Unemployed from the stats for the remainder of the Obamanomics Stagnation Extended Recession. It was much more difficult for Obama to expell his victims from the BLS rolls around 2011 when Unemployment was so bad there were Extended Benefits, (so applicants were required to document work searches before getting Unemployment Insurance Payments) - and this part of the Work Force could not be deleted from the Labor Force until they stopped documenting their search for work. The figure of Unemployed plus Marginally Attached is indisputably the real Unfake Unemployment figure since the Redefining of 1994 (which shadowstats states was to cover up the Losses of Employment from NAFTA). It does not return to Jan 2008 level until 2017, after Trump was Elected. For April 2018 this figure is lower than any January figure since it was created in 1994. The Jan Rate of all 3 categories combined of Obamanomics Unemployment did not fall back to 2008 level until 2018.
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Quote:Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN: Quote:Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN: The shadowstats site is lean on actual data, requiring a subscription to access what it claims as database. However, I will make attempt to add in some of the data it presents. This does make assumption that their methodology and counting methods are valid, which I cannot find clear information about. There also may be comingling of Seasonally Adjusted figures from shadowstats without clarity, but this will be the only series of Tables I post which veer from Not Seasonally Adjusted figures. The charts they present do show that Unemployment under Trump is better than any time under Obamanomics, so it may be a worthwhile endeavor to investigate. I will refer to this set of data as Table JSF-URF-5 I will post some actual numbers and let the comparisons and discussion follow. The documented shenanigans of Obamabots deliberately refusing to Report jobless data in the months before the 2012 Election are a different matter, I will just use the Fake Data they produced and pretend it was real. The 1st column of numbers is the unemployed. The 2nd column is the Rate. The 3rd column is the sum of the Unemployed plus Marginally Attached plus Involuntary Part-time. 4th column is the Rate for column 3 figure. The Rates in columns 2 and 4 have the denominator of Labor Force. The 5th column is the Civilian Population. 6th column is Labor Force, 7th column is Participation Rate. 8th column is the published U-6 figure. The 9th column is the Real Unemployment figure, as presented by shadowstats. The 10th column is the underreported, the difference between the U-6 figure from BLS and the Real figure from shadowstats. Figures in thousands. MoYr Unem Pcnt Total Prcnt CivPop LbrForc Prtc% U6% Real Separation Ja93 09911 07.9 16575 12.8 192644 126034 65.4 Ja94 09492 07.3 16575 12.8 195953 129393 66.0 12% 15.3% 2.3% Ja95 08101 06.2 14504 11.1 197753 130698 66.1 10% 13.5% 3.5% Ja96 08270 06.3 14110 10.7 199634 131396 65.8 10.8% 13.5% 2.7% Ja97 07933 05.9 13886 10.3 202285 134317 66.4 10.4% 13% 2.6% Ja98 07069 05.2 12638 09.3 204238 135951 66.6 09.3% 12% 2.7% Ja99 06604 04.8 11607 08.4 206719 137943 66.7 08.5% 11.5% 3.0% Ja00 06316 04.5 10868 07.8 208782 139621 66.9 07.8% 11% 3.2% Ja01 06647 04.7 11496 08.2 210889 141049 66.9 08.1% 10.5% 2.4% Ja02 08935 06.3 14693 10.4 213089 141074 66.2 10.5% 13% 2.5% Ja02 09051 06.3 15036 10.5 216506 143228 66.2 10.5% 13% 2.5% Ja03 09395 06.5 15996 11.0 219897 145301 66.1 11.0% 13% 2.0% Ja04 09144 06.3 15966 10.9 222161 146068 65.7 10.9% 14% 3.1% Ja05 08444 05.7 15041 10.2 224837 147125 65.4 10.2% 13% 2.8% Ja06 07608 05.1 13765 09.2 227553 149090 65.5 09.2% 12% 2.8% Ja07 07649 05.0 13846 09.1 230650 151924 65.9 09.1% 12% 2.9% Ja08 08221 05.4 15185 09.9 232616 152828 65.7 09.9% 13% 3.1% Ja09 13009 08.5 23814 15.5 234739 153445 65.4 15.4% 20% 4.6% Ja10 16147 10.6 27847 18.2 236832 152957 64.6 18.0% 22% 4.0% Ja11 14937 09.8 26764 17.5 238704 152536 63.9 17.3% 22.5% 5.2% Ja12 13541 08.8 25097 16.4 242269 153485 63.4 16.2% 22.5% 6.3% Ja13 13181 08.5 24130 15.6 244663 154794 63.3 15.4% 23% 7.6% Ja14 10855 07.0 21064 13.6 246915 154381 62.5 13.5% 23.5% 10% Ja15 09498 06.1 18857 12.1 249723 156050 62.5 12.0% 23.5% 11.5% Ja16 08309 05.3 16632 10.6 252397 157347 62.3 10.5% 23% 12.5% Ja17 08149 05.1 16028 10.1 254082 158676 62.5 10.1% 23% 12.9% Ja18 07189 04.5 14222 08.9 256780 160037 62.3 08.9% 22% 13.1% Ja19 07140 04.4 14297 08.8 258239 162104 62.8 08.8% 21.8% 13.0% Ja20 06504 04.0 12573 07.7 259502 163497 63.0 07.7% 21.0% 13.3% Ja21 10851 06.8 19188 12.1 260851 159234 61.0 12.0% 25.7% 13.7% Ja22 07207 04.4 12924 07.9 263202 162825 61.9 07.9% 24.5% 16.6% Ja23 06378 03.9 12213 07.4 265962 165070 62.1 07.4% 24.5% 17.1% Ja18 07189 04.5 14222 08.9 256780 160037 62.3 08.9% 22% 13.1% Fb18 07091 04.4 13934 08.6 256934 161494 62.9 08.6% 21.9% 13.3% Mr18 06671 04.1 13100 08.1 257097 161548 62.8 08.1% 21.8% 13.7% Ap18 05932 03.7 11925 07.4 257272 161280 62.7 07.4% 21.5% 14.1% My18 05657 03.6 11789 07.3 257454 161765 62.8 07.3% 21.4% 14.1% Jn18 06812 04.2 13223 08.1 257642 163277 63.4 08.1% 21.5% 13.4% J l 18 06730 04.1 12929 07.9 257843 163734 63.5 07.9% 21.3% 13.4% Au18 06370 03.9 12076 07.4 258066 161909 62.7 07.4% 21.2% 13.8% Se18 05766 03.6 11581 07.2 258290 161958 62.7 07.1% 21.3% 14.2% Oc18 05771 03.5 11431 07.0 258514 162723 62.9 07.0% 21.2% 14.2% Nv18 05650 03.5 11840 07.3 258708 162665 62.9 07.2% 21.4% 14.2% Dc18 06029 03.7 12206 07.4 258888 162510 62.8 07.5% 21.4% 13.9% Ja19 07140 04.4 14297 08.8 258239 162104 62.8 08.8% 21.8% 13.0% Fe19 06625 04.1 12526 07.7 258392 162793 63.0 07.7% 21.1% 13.4% Mr19 06382 03.9 12287 07.5 258537 162823 63.0 07.5% 21.2% 13.7% Ap19 05387 03.3 11228 06.9 258693 162097 62.7 06.9% 21.2% 14.3% My19 05503 03.4 10968 06.7 258861 162655 62.8 06.7% 21.1% 14.4% Jn19 06292 03.8 12392 07.5 259037 164120 63.4 07.5% 21.2% 13.7% J l 19 06556 04.0 12051 07.3 259225 164941 63.6 07.3% 21.0% 13.7% Au19 06203 03.8 12004 07.3 259432 164019 63.2 07.3% 21.2% 13.9% Se19 05465 03.3 10689 06.5 259638 163943 63.1 06.5% 20.9% 14.4% Oc19 05510 03.3 10700 06.5 259845 164576 63.3 06.5% 21.0% 14.5% Nv19 05441 03.3 10740 06.5 260020 164386 63.2 06.5% 20.9% 14.4% Dc19 05503 03.4 10919 06.7 260181 164007 63.0 06.7% 20.8% 14.1% Ja20 06504 04.0 12573 07.7 259502 163497 63.0 07.7% 21.0% 13.3% Fe20 06218 03.8 12213 07.4 259628 164235 63.3 07.4% 21.1% 13.7% Mr20 07370 04.5 14538 08.9 259758 162537 62.6 08.9% 22.9% 14.0% Ap20 22504 14.4 35239 22.6 259896 155830 60.0 22.4% 39.3% 16.9% My20 20514 13.0 33092 20.9 260047 157975 60.7 20.7% 36.5% 15.8% Jn20 18072 11.2 29768 18.5 260204 160883 61.8 18.3% 31.2% 12.9% J l20 16882 10.5 27430 17.0 260373 161374 62.0 16.8% 30.0% 13.2% Au20 13742 08.5 23212 14.4 260558 160966 61.8 14.3% 28.0% 13.7% Se20 12277 07.7 20099 12.6 260742 160073 61.4 12.4% 26.9% 14.5% Oc20 10620 06.6 18780 11.7 260925 161053 61.7 11.6% 26.3% 14.7% No20 10264 06.4 18755 11.7 261085 160468 61.5 11.6% 26.3% 14.7% De20 10404 06.5 18732 11.7 261230 160017 61.3 11.6% 26.2% 14.6% Ja21 10851 06.8 19188 12.1 260851 159234 61.0 12.0% 25.7% 13.7% Fe21 10486 06.6 19743 12.3 260918 160008 61.3 11.6% 25.8% 14.2% Mr21 09905 06.2 17547 10.9 261003 160397 61.5 10.9% 25.7% 14.8% Ap21 09220 05.7 15951 09.9 261103 160379 61.4 09.9% 25.5% 15.6% My21 08829 05.5 15717 09.8 261210 160607 61.5 09.7% 26.0% 16.3% Jn21 09883 06.1 16515 10.2 261338 162167 62.1 10.1% 25.8% 15.7% J l21 09221 05.7 15670 09.6 261469 162817 62.3 09.6% 25.4% 15.8% Au21 08556 05.3 14423 08.9 261611 161788 61.8 08.9% 25.4% 16.5% Se21 07366 04.6 13175 08.2 261766 161392 61.7 08.1% 25.1% 17.0% Oc21 06896 04.3 12532 07.7 261908 161863 61.8 07.7% 25.1% 17.4% No21 06302 03.9 12017 07.4 262029 162099 61.9 07.4% 24.8% 17.4% De21 05964 03.7 11629 07.2 262136 161696 61.7 07.2% 24.5% 17.3% Ja22 07207 04.4 12924 07.9 263202 162825 61.9 07.9% 24.5% 16.6% Fe22 06782 04.1 12556 07.7 263324 163725 62.2 07.6% 24.6% 17.0% Mr22 06168 03.8 11660 07.1 263444 164274 62.4 07.1% 24.4% 17.3% Ap22 05458 03.3 10805 06.6 263559 163449 62.0 06.6% 24.5% 17.9% My22 05548 03.4 10998 06.7 263679 164157 62.3 06.7% 24.6% 17.9% Jn22 06334 03.8 11688 07.1 263835 165012 60.1 07.0% 24.3% 17.3% J l22 06255 03.8 11936 07.2 264012 165321 60.2 07.2% 24.4% 17.2% Au22 06256 03.8 11664 07.1 264184 164973 62.4 07.0% 24.6% 17.6% Se22 05460 03.3 10558 06.4 264356 164463 62.2 06.4% 24.4% 18.0% Oc22 05609 03.4 10379 06.3 264535 164753 62.3 06.3% 24.5% 18.2% No22 05523 03.4 10522 06.4 264708 164272 62.1 06.4% 24.4% 18.0% De22 05352 03.3 10521 06.4 264844 164224 62.0 06.4% 24.4% 18.0% Ja23 06378 03.9 12213 07.4 265962 165070 62.1 07.4% 24.5% 17.1% Fe23 06465 03.9 12031 07.2 266112 166178 62.4 07.3% 24.6% 17.3% Mr23 06043 03.6 11348 06.8 266272 166783 62.6 06.8% 24.6% 17.8% Ap23 05146 03.1 10234 06.2 266443 166221 62.4 06.1% 24.6% 18.5% My23 05700 03.4 10695 06.4 266618 166702 62.5 06.4% 24.7% 18.3% Jn23 06351 03.8 12167 07.2 266801 167910 62.9 07.2% 24.9% 17.7% J l23 06372 03.8 11921 07.1 267002 168354 63.1 07.1% 24.9% 17.8% Au23 06623 03.9 12207 07.3 267213 168049 62.9 07.2% Se23 06049 03.6 11239 06.7 267428 167718 62.7 06.7% Oc23 06098 03.6 11412 267642 167774 62.7 06.8% No23 05827 03.5 1625 1.0 07452 04.4 3796 2.3 11248 06.7 267822 167977 62.7 06.7 De23 05907 03.5 1567 7474 4229 11703 267991 166661 62.2 07.0 Fe24 06970 04.2 1559 0.9 08529 05.1 4479 2.7 13008 07.8 267711 167285 62.5 07.8 Mr24 06604 03.9 1439 0.9 08043 04.8 4343 2.6 12386 07.4 267884 167960 62.7 07.4 May24 06235 03.7% 6259 12496 4152 16648 268248 167536 62.5 07.1 Jn24 07233 04.3 1548 0.9 08781 05.2 4350 2.6 13131 07.8 268438 169007 63.0 07.7 Jl24 07685 04.5 1628 1.0 09313 05.5 4661 2.7 13974 08.2 268644 169723 63.2 08.2 Au24 07415 04.4 1359 0.8 08774 05.2 4677 2.8 13451 08.0 268856 168763 62.8 08.0 Se24 06524 03.9 *756 0.4 *7280 *4.3 4227 2.5 11507 06.8 269080 168569 62.6 07.3 Oc24 06631 03.9 1547 0.9 08178 04.9 4122 2.4 12300 07.3 269289 168569 62.6 07.3 No24 06708 04.0 1615 1.0 08323 04.9 4252 2.5 12575 07.5 269463 168164 62.4 07.4 De24 06452 03.8 1565 08017 4385 12402 269638 167746 62.2 07.4 Ja25 07467 04.4 1703 1.0 09170 05.4 4854 2.9 14024 08.3 272685 169814 62.3 08.2 Fe25 07572 04.5 1733 1.0 09305 05.5 5086 3.0 14391 08.5 272847 170116 62.3 08.4 Mr25 07242 04.2 1539 0.9 08780 05.1 4813 2.8 13593 08.0 273023 170653 62.5 07.9 Ap25 06580 03.9 1570 0.9 08150 04.8 4431 2.6 12581 07.2 273197 170622 62.5 07.3 J l 12 13400 08.6 24147 15.4 243354 156526 64.3 Au12 12696 08.2 22980 14.8 243566 155255 63.7 Se12 11742 07.6 22262 14.4 243772 155075 63.6 Oc12 11741 07.5 21942 14.1 243983 155779 63.8 Nv12 11404 07.4 21807 14.1 244174 154953 63.5 General color-coding guidelines: This color mostly highlights the most favorable figure of it's column in the Table. This color mostly highlights the most favorable figure of it's column since 9/11, or else since the Rock-The-Vote Democrat Recession. This color highlights the worst figures in it's column in the Table, including loss of Labor Force count. Quote:Comparing to The Great Depression: the Unemployment peaked in 1933 at 24.75% with 12.830 Million unemployed. In 1932 there were 12.060 M unemployed, and 11.340M in 1934, 10.610 in 1935. The 5 year stretch from 2009 to 2014 exceeded 12.9 Million each year, more Unemployed than the Great Depression. And 2014 was only less with the Fake figure, but including Marginally Attached was still more than Great Depression. The Civilian Adult Population steadily Increases, suggesting that figure is not manipulated. The Unemployment Rate was almost doubled by Jan 2010, and the Fake figure didn't return to 2008 level until Jan 2016. This figure after 2008 was able to be artificially less by shifting more unemployed into the Marginally Attached category, which Obamanomics managed to almost double. This Jan figure didn't return to 2008 level until 2017, after Trump was Elected. With 10 Million in 2008, this count did not fall back to sub-10 Million until 2017. A key factor that shadowstats points out is that the feeder category, the category which generates the discrepancy between BLS Fiction and reality, is the Marginally Attached. When Obamanomics doubled this figure, it was able to permanently exclude these Unemployed from the stats for the remainder of the Obamanomics Stagnation Extended Recession. It was much more difficult for Obama to expell his victims from the BLS rolls around 2011 when Unemployment was so bad there were Extended Benefits, (so applicants were required to document work searches before getting Unemployment Insurance Payments) - and this part of the Work Force could not be deleted from the Labor Force until they stopped documenting their search for work. The figure of Unemployed plus Marginally Attached is indisputably the real Unfake Unemployment figure since the Redefining of 1994 (which shadowstats states was to cover up the Losses of Employment from NAFTA). It does not return to Jan 2008 level until 2017, after Trump was Elected. For April 2018 this figure is lower than any January figure since it was created in 1994. The Jan Rate of all 3 categories combined of Obamanomics Unemployment did not fall back to 2008 level until 2018.
Saturday, June 7, 2025 4:51 PM
Thursday, July 3, 2025 11:46 AM
Quote:Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN: The shadowstats site is lean on actual data, requiring a subscription to access what it claims as database. However, I will make attempt to add in some of the data it presents. This does make assumption that their methodology and counting methods are valid, which I cannot find clear information about. There also may be comingling of Seasonally Adjusted figures from shadowstats without clarity, but this will be the only series of Tables I post which veer from Not Seasonally Adjusted figures. The charts they present do show that Unemployment under Trump is better than any time under Obamanomics, so it may be a worthwhile endeavor to investigate. I will refer to this set of data as Table JSF-URF-5 I will post some actual numbers and let the comparisons and discussion follow. The documented shenanigans of Obamabots deliberately refusing to Report jobless data in the months before the 2012 Election are a different matter, I will just use the Fake Data they produced and pretend it was real. The 1st column of numbers is the unemployed. The 2nd column is the Rate. The 3rd column is the sum of the Unemployed plus Marginally Attached plus Involuntary Part-time. 4th column is the Rate for column 3 figure. The Rates in columns 2 and 4 have the denominator of Labor Force. The 5th column is the Civilian Population. 6th column is Labor Force, 7th column is Participation Rate. 8th column is the published U-6 figure. The 9th column is the Real Unemployment figure, as presented by shadowstats. The 10th column is the underreported, the difference between the U-6 figure from BLS and the Real figure from shadowstats. Figures in thousands. MoYr Unem Pcnt Total Prcnt CivPop LbrForc Prtc% U6% Real Separation Ja93 09911 07.9 16575 12.8 192644 126034 65.4 Ja94 09492 07.3 16575 12.8 195953 129393 66.0 12% 15.3% 2.3% Ja95 08101 06.2 14504 11.1 197753 130698 66.1 10% 13.5% 3.5% Ja96 08270 06.3 14110 10.7 199634 131396 65.8 10.8% 13.5% 2.7% Ja97 07933 05.9 13886 10.3 202285 134317 66.4 10.4% 13% 2.6% Ja98 07069 05.2 12638 09.3 204238 135951 66.6 09.3% 12% 2.7% Ja99 06604 04.8 11607 08.4 206719 137943 66.7 08.5% 11.5% 3.0% Ja00 06316 04.5 10868 07.8 208782 139621 66.9 07.8% 11% 3.2% Ja01 06647 04.7 11496 08.2 210889 141049 66.9 08.1% 10.5% 2.4% Ja02 08935 06.3 14693 10.4 213089 141074 66.2 10.5% 13% 2.5% Ja02 09051 06.3 15036 10.5 216506 143228 66.2 10.5% 13% 2.5% Ja03 09395 06.5 15996 11.0 219897 145301 66.1 11.0% 13% 2.0% Ja04 09144 06.3 15966 10.9 222161 146068 65.7 10.9% 14% 3.1% Ja05 08444 05.7 15041 10.2 224837 147125 65.4 10.2% 13% 2.8% Ja06 07608 05.1 13765 09.2 227553 149090 65.5 09.2% 12% 2.8% Ja07 07649 05.0 13846 09.1 230650 151924 65.9 09.1% 12% 2.9% Ja08 08221 05.4 15185 09.9 232616 152828 65.7 09.9% 13% 3.1% Ja09 13009 08.5 23814 15.5 234739 153445 65.4 15.4% 20% 4.6% Ja10 16147 10.6 27847 18.2 236832 152957 64.6 18.0% 22% 4.0% Ja11 14937 09.8 26764 17.5 238704 152536 63.9 17.3% 22.5% 5.2% Ja12 13541 08.8 25097 16.4 242269 153485 63.4 16.2% 22.5% 6.3% Ja13 13181 08.5 24130 15.6 244663 154794 63.3 15.4% 23% 7.6% Ja14 10855 07.0 21064 13.6 246915 154381 62.5 13.5% 23.5% 10% Ja15 09498 06.1 18857 12.1 249723 156050 62.5 12.0% 23.5% 11.5% Ja16 08309 05.3 16632 10.6 252397 157347 62.3 10.5% 23% 12.5% Ja17 08149 05.1 16028 10.1 254082 158676 62.5 10.1% 23% 12.9% Ja18 07189 04.5 14222 08.9 256780 160037 62.3 08.9% 22% 13.1% Ja19 07140 04.4 14297 08.8 258239 162104 62.8 08.8% 21.8% 13.0% Ja20 06504 04.0 12573 07.7 259502 163497 63.0 07.7% 21.0% 13.3% Ja21 10851 06.8 19188 12.1 260851 159234 61.0 12.0% 25.7% 13.7% Ja22 07207 04.4 12924 07.9 263202 162825 61.9 07.9% 24.5% 16.6% Ja23 06378 03.9 12213 07.4 265962 165070 62.1 07.4% 24.5% 17.1% Ja18 07189 04.5 14222 08.9 256780 160037 62.3 08.9% 22% 13.1% Fb18 07091 04.4 13934 08.6 256934 161494 62.9 08.6% 21.9% 13.3% Mr18 06671 04.1 13100 08.1 257097 161548 62.8 08.1% 21.8% 13.7% Ap18 05932 03.7 11925 07.4 257272 161280 62.7 07.4% 21.5% 14.1% My18 05657 03.6 11789 07.3 257454 161765 62.8 07.3% 21.4% 14.1% Jn18 06812 04.2 13223 08.1 257642 163277 63.4 08.1% 21.5% 13.4% J l 18 06730 04.1 12929 07.9 257843 163734 63.5 07.9% 21.3% 13.4% Au18 06370 03.9 12076 07.4 258066 161909 62.7 07.4% 21.2% 13.8% Se18 05766 03.6 11581 07.2 258290 161958 62.7 07.1% 21.3% 14.2% Oc18 05771 03.5 11431 07.0 258514 162723 62.9 07.0% 21.2% 14.2% Nv18 05650 03.5 11840 07.3 258708 162665 62.9 07.2% 21.4% 14.2% Dc18 06029 03.7 12206 07.4 258888 162510 62.8 07.5% 21.4% 13.9% Ja19 07140 04.4 14297 08.8 258239 162104 62.8 08.8% 21.8% 13.0% Fe19 06625 04.1 12526 07.7 258392 162793 63.0 07.7% 21.1% 13.4% Mr19 06382 03.9 12287 07.5 258537 162823 63.0 07.5% 21.2% 13.7% Ap19 05387 03.3 11228 06.9 258693 162097 62.7 06.9% 21.2% 14.3% My19 05503 03.4 10968 06.7 258861 162655 62.8 06.7% 21.1% 14.4% Jn19 06292 03.8 12392 07.5 259037 164120 63.4 07.5% 21.2% 13.7% J l 19 06556 04.0 12051 07.3 259225 164941 63.6 07.3% 21.0% 13.7% Au19 06203 03.8 12004 07.3 259432 164019 63.2 07.3% 21.2% 13.9% Se19 05465 03.3 10689 06.5 259638 163943 63.1 06.5% 20.9% 14.4% Oc19 05510 03.3 10700 06.5 259845 164576 63.3 06.5% 21.0% 14.5% Nv19 05441 03.3 10740 06.5 260020 164386 63.2 06.5% 20.9% 14.4% Dc19 05503 03.4 10919 06.7 260181 164007 63.0 06.7% 20.8% 14.1% Ja20 06504 04.0 12573 07.7 259502 163497 63.0 07.7% 21.0% 13.3% Fe20 06218 03.8 12213 07.4 259628 164235 63.3 07.4% 21.1% 13.7% Mr20 07370 04.5 14538 08.9 259758 162537 62.6 08.9% 22.9% 14.0% Ap20 22504 14.4 35239 22.6 259896 155830 60.0 22.4% 39.3% 16.9% My20 20514 13.0 33092 20.9 260047 157975 60.7 20.7% 36.5% 15.8% Jn20 18072 11.2 29768 18.5 260204 160883 61.8 18.3% 31.2% 12.9% J l20 16882 10.5 27430 17.0 260373 161374 62.0 16.8% 30.0% 13.2% Au20 13742 08.5 23212 14.4 260558 160966 61.8 14.3% 28.0% 13.7% Se20 12277 07.7 20099 12.6 260742 160073 61.4 12.4% 26.9% 14.5% Oc20 10620 06.6 18780 11.7 260925 161053 61.7 11.6% 26.3% 14.7% No20 10264 06.4 18755 11.7 261085 160468 61.5 11.6% 26.3% 14.7% De20 10404 06.5 18732 11.7 261230 160017 61.3 11.6% 26.2% 14.6% Ja21 10851 06.8 19188 12.1 260851 159234 61.0 12.0% 25.7% 13.7% Fe21 10486 06.6 19743 12.3 260918 160008 61.3 11.6% 25.8% 14.2% Mr21 09905 06.2 17547 10.9 261003 160397 61.5 10.9% 25.7% 14.8% Ap21 09220 05.7 15951 09.9 261103 160379 61.4 09.9% 25.5% 15.6% My21 08829 05.5 15717 09.8 261210 160607 61.5 09.7% 26.0% 16.3% Jn21 09883 06.1 16515 10.2 261338 162167 62.1 10.1% 25.8% 15.7% J l21 09221 05.7 15670 09.6 261469 162817 62.3 09.6% 25.4% 15.8% Au21 08556 05.3 14423 08.9 261611 161788 61.8 08.9% 25.4% 16.5% Se21 07366 04.6 13175 08.2 261766 161392 61.7 08.1% 25.1% 17.0% Oc21 06896 04.3 12532 07.7 261908 161863 61.8 07.7% 25.1% 17.4% No21 06302 03.9 12017 07.4 262029 162099 61.9 07.4% 24.8% 17.4% De21 05964 03.7 11629 07.2 262136 161696 61.7 07.2% 24.5% 17.3% Ja22 07207 04.4 12924 07.9 263202 162825 61.9 07.9% 24.5% 16.6% Fe22 06782 04.1 12556 07.7 263324 163725 62.2 07.6% 24.6% 17.0% Mr22 06168 03.8 11660 07.1 263444 164274 62.4 07.1% 24.4% 17.3% Ap22 05458 03.3 10805 06.6 263559 163449 62.0 06.6% 24.5% 17.9% My22 05548 03.4 10998 06.7 263679 164157 62.3 06.7% 24.6% 17.9% Jn22 06334 03.8 11688 07.1 263835 165012 60.1 07.0% 24.3% 17.3% J l22 06255 03.8 11936 07.2 264012 165321 60.2 07.2% 24.4% 17.2% Au22 06256 03.8 11664 07.1 264184 164973 62.4 07.0% 24.6% 17.6% Se22 05460 03.3 10558 06.4 264356 164463 62.2 06.4% 24.4% 18.0% Oc22 05609 03.4 10379 06.3 264535 164753 62.3 06.3% 24.5% 18.2% No22 05523 03.4 10522 06.4 264708 164272 62.1 06.4% 24.4% 18.0% De22 05352 03.3 10521 06.4 264844 164224 62.0 06.4% 24.4% 18.0% Ja23 06378 03.9 12213 07.4 265962 165070 62.1 07.4% 24.5% 17.1% Fe23 06465 03.9 12031 07.2 266112 166178 62.4 07.3% 24.6% 17.3% Mr23 06043 03.6 11348 06.8 266272 166783 62.6 06.8% 24.6% 17.8% Ap23 05146 03.1 10234 06.2 266443 166221 62.4 06.1% 24.6% 18.5% My23 05700 03.4 10695 06.4 266618 166702 62.5 06.4% 24.7% 18.3% Jn23 06351 03.8 12167 07.2 266801 167910 62.9 07.2% 24.9% 17.7% J l23 06372 03.8 11921 07.1 267002 168354 63.1 07.1% 24.9% 17.8% Au23 06623 03.9 12207 07.3 267213 168049 62.9 07.2% Se23 06049 03.6 11239 06.7 267428 167718 62.7 06.7% Oc23 06098 03.6 11412 267642 167774 62.7 06.8% No23 05827 03.5 1625 1.0 07452 04.4 3796 2.3 11248 06.7 267822 167977 62.7 06.7 De23 05907 03.5 1567 7474 4229 11703 267991 166661 62.2 07.0 Fe24 06970 04.2 1559 0.9 08529 05.1 4479 2.7 13008 07.8 267711 167285 62.5 07.8 Mr24 06604 03.9 1439 0.9 08043 04.8 4343 2.6 12386 07.4 267884 167960 62.7 07.4 May24 06235 03.7% 6259 12496 4152 16648 268248 167536 62.5 07.1 Jn24 07233 04.3 1548 0.9 08781 05.2 4350 2.6 13131 07.8 268438 169007 63.0 07.7 Jl24 07685 04.5 1628 1.0 09313 05.5 4661 2.7 13974 08.2 268644 169723 63.2 08.2 Au24 07415 04.4 1359 0.8 08774 05.2 4677 2.8 13451 08.0 268856 168763 62.8 08.0 Se24 06524 03.9 *756 0.4 *7280 *4.3 4227 2.5 11507 06.8 269080 168569 62.6 07.3 Oc24 06631 03.9 1547 0.9 08178 04.9 4122 2.4 12300 07.3 269289 168569 62.6 07.3 No24 06708 04.0 1615 1.0 08323 04.9 4252 2.5 12575 07.5 269463 168164 62.4 07.4 De24 06452 03.8 1565 08017 4385 12402 269638 167746 62.2 07.4 Ja25 07467 04.4 1703 1.0 09170 05.4 4854 2.9 14024 08.3 272685 169814 62.3 08.2 Fe25 07572 04.5 1733 1.0 09305 05.5 5086 3.0 14391 08.5 272847 170116 62.3 08.4 Mr25 07242 04.2 1539 0.9 08780 05.1 4813 2.8 13593 08.0 273023 170653 62.5 07.9 Ap25 06580 03.9 1570 0.9 08150 04.8 4431 2.6 12581 07.2 273197 170622 62.5 07.3 Jn25 07460 04.4% 1862 09322 4577 13899 273585 171343 62.6 08.1 J l 12 13400 08.6 24147 15.4 243354 156526 64.3 Au12 12696 08.2 22980 14.8 243566 155255 63.7 Se12 11742 07.6 22262 14.4 243772 155075 63.6 Oc12 11741 07.5 21942 14.1 243983 155779 63.8 Nv12 11404 07.4 21807 14.1 244174 154953 63.5 General color-coding guidelines: This color mostly highlights the most favorable figure of it's column in the Table. This color mostly highlights the most favorable figure of it's column since 9/11, or else since the Rock-The-Vote Democrat Recession. This color highlights the worst figures in it's column in the Table, including loss of Labor Force count. Quote:Comparing to The Great Depression: the Unemployment peaked in 1933 at 24.75% with 12.830 Million unemployed. In 1932 there were 12.060 M unemployed, and 11.340M in 1934, 10.610 in 1935. The 5 year stretch from 2009 to 2014 exceeded 12.9 Million each year, more Unemployed than the Great Depression. And 2014 was only less with the Fake figure, but including Marginally Attached was still more than Great Depression. The Civilian Adult Population steadily Increases, suggesting that figure is not manipulated. The Unemployment Rate was almost doubled by Jan 2010, and the Fake figure didn't return to 2008 level until Jan 2016. This figure after 2008 was able to be artificially less by shifting more unemployed into the Marginally Attached category, which Obamanomics managed to almost double. This Jan figure didn't return to 2008 level until 2017, after Trump was Elected. With 10 Million in 2008, this count did not fall back to sub-10 Million until 2017. A key factor that shadowstats points out is that the feeder category, the category which generates the discrepancy between BLS Fiction and reality, is the Marginally Attached. When Obamanomics doubled this figure, it was able to permanently exclude these Unemployed from the stats for the remainder of the Obamanomics Stagnation Extended Recession. It was much more difficult for Obama to expell his victims from the BLS rolls around 2011 when Unemployment was so bad there were Extended Benefits, (so applicants were required to document work searches before getting Unemployment Insurance Payments) - and this part of the Work Force could not be deleted from the Labor Force until they stopped documenting their search for work. The figure of Unemployed plus Marginally Attached is indisputably the real Unfake Unemployment figure since the Redefining of 1994 (which shadowstats states was to cover up the Losses of Employment from NAFTA). It does not return to Jan 2008 level until 2017, after Trump was Elected. For April 2018 this figure is lower than any January figure since it was created in 1994. The Jan Rate of all 3 categories combined of Obamanomics Unemployment did not fall back to 2008 level until 2018.
Friday, August 1, 2025 12:00 PM
Friday, August 1, 2025 12:01 PM
Quote:Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN: The shadowstats site is lean on actual data, requiring a subscription to access what it claims as database. However, I will make attempt to add in some of the data it presents. This does make assumption that their methodology and counting methods are valid, which I cannot find clear information about. There also may be comingling of Seasonally Adjusted figures from shadowstats without clarity, but this will be the only series of Tables I post which veer from Not Seasonally Adjusted figures. The charts they present do show that Unemployment under Trump is better than any time under Obamanomics, so it may be a worthwhile endeavor to investigate. I will refer to this set of data as Table JSF-URF-5 I will post some actual numbers and let the comparisons and discussion follow. The documented shenanigans of Obamabots deliberately refusing to Report jobless data in the months before the 2012 Election are a different matter, I will just use the Fake Data they produced and pretend it was real. The 1st column of numbers is the unemployed. The 2nd column is the Rate. The 3rd column is the sum of the Unemployed plus Marginally Attached plus Involuntary Part-time. 4th column is the Rate for column 3 figure. The Rates in columns 2 and 4 have the denominator of Labor Force. The 5th column is the Civilian Population. 6th column is Labor Force, 7th column is Participation Rate. 8th column is the published U-6 figure. The 9th column is the Real Unemployment figure, as presented by shadowstats. The 10th column is the underreported, the difference between the U-6 figure from BLS and the Real figure from shadowstats. Figures in thousands. MoYr Unem Pcnt Total Prcnt CivPop LbrForc Prtc% U6% Real Separation Ja93 09911 07.9 16575 12.8 192644 126034 65.4 Ja94 09492 07.3 16575 12.8 195953 129393 66.0 12% 15.3% 2.3% Ja95 08101 06.2 14504 11.1 197753 130698 66.1 10% 13.5% 3.5% Ja96 08270 06.3 14110 10.7 199634 131396 65.8 10.8% 13.5% 2.7% Ja97 07933 05.9 13886 10.3 202285 134317 66.4 10.4% 13% 2.6% Ja98 07069 05.2 12638 09.3 204238 135951 66.6 09.3% 12% 2.7% Ja99 06604 04.8 11607 08.4 206719 137943 66.7 08.5% 11.5% 3.0% Ja00 06316 04.5 10868 07.8 208782 139621 66.9 07.8% 11% 3.2% Ja01 06647 04.7 11496 08.2 210889 141049 66.9 08.1% 10.5% 2.4% Ja02 08935 06.3 14693 10.4 213089 141074 66.2 10.5% 13% 2.5% Ja02 09051 06.3 15036 10.5 216506 143228 66.2 10.5% 13% 2.5% Ja03 09395 06.5 15996 11.0 219897 145301 66.1 11.0% 13% 2.0% Ja04 09144 06.3 15966 10.9 222161 146068 65.7 10.9% 14% 3.1% Ja05 08444 05.7 15041 10.2 224837 147125 65.4 10.2% 13% 2.8% Ja06 07608 05.1 13765 09.2 227553 149090 65.5 09.2% 12% 2.8% Ja07 07649 05.0 13846 09.1 230650 151924 65.9 09.1% 12% 2.9% Ja08 08221 05.4 15185 09.9 232616 152828 65.7 09.9% 13% 3.1% Ja09 13009 08.5 23814 15.5 234739 153445 65.4 15.4% 20% 4.6% Ja10 16147 10.6 27847 18.2 236832 152957 64.6 18.0% 22% 4.0% Ja11 14937 09.8 26764 17.5 238704 152536 63.9 17.3% 22.5% 5.2% Ja12 13541 08.8 25097 16.4 242269 153485 63.4 16.2% 22.5% 6.3% Ja13 13181 08.5 24130 15.6 244663 154794 63.3 15.4% 23% 7.6% Ja14 10855 07.0 21064 13.6 246915 154381 62.5 13.5% 23.5% 10% Ja15 09498 06.1 18857 12.1 249723 156050 62.5 12.0% 23.5% 11.5% Ja16 08309 05.3 16632 10.6 252397 157347 62.3 10.5% 23% 12.5% Ja17 08149 05.1 16028 10.1 254082 158676 62.5 10.1% 23% 12.9% Ja18 07189 04.5 14222 08.9 256780 160037 62.3 08.9% 22% 13.1% Ja19 07140 04.4 14297 08.8 258239 162104 62.8 08.8% 21.8% 13.0% Ja20 06504 04.0 12573 07.7 259502 163497 63.0 07.7% 21.0% 13.3% Ja21 10851 06.8 19188 12.1 260851 159234 61.0 12.0% 25.7% 13.7% Ja22 07207 04.4 12924 07.9 263202 162825 61.9 07.9% 24.5% 16.6% Ja23 06378 03.9 12213 07.4 265962 165070 62.1 07.4% 24.5% 17.1% Ja18 07189 04.5 14222 08.9 256780 160037 62.3 08.9% 22% 13.1% Fb18 07091 04.4 13934 08.6 256934 161494 62.9 08.6% 21.9% 13.3% Mr18 06671 04.1 13100 08.1 257097 161548 62.8 08.1% 21.8% 13.7% Ap18 05932 03.7 11925 07.4 257272 161280 62.7 07.4% 21.5% 14.1% My18 05657 03.6 11789 07.3 257454 161765 62.8 07.3% 21.4% 14.1% Jn18 06812 04.2 13223 08.1 257642 163277 63.4 08.1% 21.5% 13.4% J l 18 06730 04.1 12929 07.9 257843 163734 63.5 07.9% 21.3% 13.4% Au18 06370 03.9 12076 07.4 258066 161909 62.7 07.4% 21.2% 13.8% Se18 05766 03.6 11581 07.2 258290 161958 62.7 07.1% 21.3% 14.2% Oc18 05771 03.5 11431 07.0 258514 162723 62.9 07.0% 21.2% 14.2% Nv18 05650 03.5 11840 07.3 258708 162665 62.9 07.2% 21.4% 14.2% Dc18 06029 03.7 12206 07.4 258888 162510 62.8 07.5% 21.4% 13.9% Ja19 07140 04.4 14297 08.8 258239 162104 62.8 08.8% 21.8% 13.0% Fe19 06625 04.1 12526 07.7 258392 162793 63.0 07.7% 21.1% 13.4% Mr19 06382 03.9 12287 07.5 258537 162823 63.0 07.5% 21.2% 13.7% Ap19 05387 03.3 11228 06.9 258693 162097 62.7 06.9% 21.2% 14.3% My19 05503 03.4 10968 06.7 258861 162655 62.8 06.7% 21.1% 14.4% Jn19 06292 03.8 12392 07.5 259037 164120 63.4 07.5% 21.2% 13.7% J l 19 06556 04.0 12051 07.3 259225 164941 63.6 07.3% 21.0% 13.7% Au19 06203 03.8 12004 07.3 259432 164019 63.2 07.3% 21.2% 13.9% Se19 05465 03.3 10689 06.5 259638 163943 63.1 06.5% 20.9% 14.4% Oc19 05510 03.3 10700 06.5 259845 164576 63.3 06.5% 21.0% 14.5% Nv19 05441 03.3 10740 06.5 260020 164386 63.2 06.5% 20.9% 14.4% Dc19 05503 03.4 10919 06.7 260181 164007 63.0 06.7% 20.8% 14.1% Ja20 06504 04.0 12573 07.7 259502 163497 63.0 07.7% 21.0% 13.3% Fe20 06218 03.8 12213 07.4 259628 164235 63.3 07.4% 21.1% 13.7% Mr20 07370 04.5 14538 08.9 259758 162537 62.6 08.9% 22.9% 14.0% Ap20 22504 14.4 35239 22.6 259896 155830 60.0 22.4% 39.3% 16.9% My20 20514 13.0 33092 20.9 260047 157975 60.7 20.7% 36.5% 15.8% Jn20 18072 11.2 29768 18.5 260204 160883 61.8 18.3% 31.2% 12.9% J l20 16882 10.5 27430 17.0 260373 161374 62.0 16.8% 30.0% 13.2% Au20 13742 08.5 23212 14.4 260558 160966 61.8 14.3% 28.0% 13.7% Se20 12277 07.7 20099 12.6 260742 160073 61.4 12.4% 26.9% 14.5% Oc20 10620 06.6 18780 11.7 260925 161053 61.7 11.6% 26.3% 14.7% No20 10264 06.4 18755 11.7 261085 160468 61.5 11.6% 26.3% 14.7% De20 10404 06.5 18732 11.7 261230 160017 61.3 11.6% 26.2% 14.6% Ja21 10851 06.8 19188 12.1 260851 159234 61.0 12.0% 25.7% 13.7% Fe21 10486 06.6 19743 12.3 260918 160008 61.3 11.6% 25.8% 14.2% Mr21 09905 06.2 17547 10.9 261003 160397 61.5 10.9% 25.7% 14.8% Ap21 09220 05.7 15951 09.9 261103 160379 61.4 09.9% 25.5% 15.6% My21 08829 05.5 15717 09.8 261210 160607 61.5 09.7% 26.0% 16.3% Jn21 09883 06.1 16515 10.2 261338 162167 62.1 10.1% 25.8% 15.7% J l21 09221 05.7 15670 09.6 261469 162817 62.3 09.6% 25.4% 15.8% Au21 08556 05.3 14423 08.9 261611 161788 61.8 08.9% 25.4% 16.5% Se21 07366 04.6 13175 08.2 261766 161392 61.7 08.1% 25.1% 17.0% Oc21 06896 04.3 12532 07.7 261908 161863 61.8 07.7% 25.1% 17.4% No21 06302 03.9 12017 07.4 262029 162099 61.9 07.4% 24.8% 17.4% De21 05964 03.7 11629 07.2 262136 161696 61.7 07.2% 24.5% 17.3% Ja22 07207 04.4 12924 07.9 263202 162825 61.9 07.9% 24.5% 16.6% Fe22 06782 04.1 12556 07.7 263324 163725 62.2 07.6% 24.6% 17.0% Mr22 06168 03.8 11660 07.1 263444 164274 62.4 07.1% 24.4% 17.3% Ap22 05458 03.3 10805 06.6 263559 163449 62.0 06.6% 24.5% 17.9% My22 05548 03.4 10998 06.7 263679 164157 62.3 06.7% 24.6% 17.9% Jn22 06334 03.8 11688 07.1 263835 165012 60.1 07.0% 24.3% 17.3% J l22 06255 03.8 11936 07.2 264012 165321 60.2 07.2% 24.4% 17.2% Au22 06256 03.8 11664 07.1 264184 164973 62.4 07.0% 24.6% 17.6% Se22 05460 03.3 10558 06.4 264356 164463 62.2 06.4% 24.4% 18.0% Oc22 05609 03.4 10379 06.3 264535 164753 62.3 06.3% 24.5% 18.2% No22 05523 03.4 10522 06.4 264708 164272 62.1 06.4% 24.4% 18.0% De22 05352 03.3 10521 06.4 264844 164224 62.0 06.4% 24.4% 18.0% Ja23 06378 03.9 12213 07.4 265962 165070 62.1 07.4% 24.5% 17.1% Fe23 06465 03.9 12031 07.2 266112 166178 62.4 07.3% 24.6% 17.3% Mr23 06043 03.6 11348 06.8 266272 166783 62.6 06.8% 24.6% 17.8% Ap23 05146 03.1 10234 06.2 266443 166221 62.4 06.1% 24.6% 18.5% My23 05700 03.4 10695 06.4 266618 166702 62.5 06.4% 24.7% 18.3% Jn23 06351 03.8 12167 07.2 266801 167910 62.9 07.2% 24.9% 17.7% J l23 06372 03.8 11921 07.1 267002 168354 63.1 07.1% 24.9% 17.8% Au23 06623 03.9 12207 07.3 267213 168049 62.9 07.2% Se23 06049 03.6 11239 06.7 267428 167718 62.7 06.7% Oc23 06098 03.6 11412 267642 167774 62.7 06.8% No23 05827 03.5 1625 1.0 07452 04.4 3796 2.3 11248 06.7 267822 167977 62.7 06.7 De23 05907 03.5 1567 7474 4229 11703 267991 166661 62.2 07.0 Fe24 06970 04.2 1559 0.9 08529 05.1 4479 2.7 13008 07.8 267711 167285 62.5 07.8 Mr24 06604 03.9 1439 0.9 08043 04.8 4343 2.6 12386 07.4 267884 167960 62.7 07.4 May24 06235 03.7% 6259 12496 4152 16648 268248 167536 62.5 07.1 Jn24 07233 04.3 1548 0.9 08781 05.2 4350 2.6 13131 07.8 268438 169007 63.0 07.7 Jl24 07685 04.5 1628 1.0 09313 05.5 4661 2.7 13974 08.2 268644 169723 63.2 08.2 Au24 07415 04.4 1359 0.8 08774 05.2 4677 2.8 13451 08.0 268856 168763 62.8 08.0 Se24 06524 03.9 *756 0.4 *7280 *4.3 4227 2.5 11507 06.8 269080 168569 62.6 07.3 Oc24 06631 03.9 1547 0.9 08178 04.9 4122 2.4 12300 07.3 269289 168569 62.6 07.3 No24 06708 04.0 1615 1.0 08323 04.9 4252 2.5 12575 07.5 269463 168164 62.4 07.4 De24 06452 03.8 1565 08017 4385 12402 269638 167746 62.2 07.4 Ja25 07467 04.4 1703 1.0 09170 05.4 4854 2.9 14024 08.3 272685 169814 62.3 08.2 Fe25 07572 04.5 1733 1.0 09305 05.5 5086 3.0 14391 08.5 272847 170116 62.3 08.4 Mr25 07242 04.2 1539 0.9 08780 05.1 4813 2.8 13593 08.0 273023 170653 62.5 07.9 Ap25 06580 03.9 1570 0.9 08150 04.8 4431 2.6 12581 07.2 273197 170622 62.5 07.3 Jn25 07460 04.4% 1862 09322 4577 13899 273585 171343 62.6 08.1 Jl25 07847 04.6 1751 09598 4729 14327 273785 171646 62.7 08.3 J l 12 13400 08.6 24147 15.4 243354 156526 64.3 Au12 12696 08.2 22980 14.8 243566 155255 63.7 Se12 11742 07.6 22262 14.4 243772 155075 63.6 Oc12 11741 07.5 21942 14.1 243983 155779 63.8 Nv12 11404 07.4 21807 14.1 244174 154953 63.5 General color-coding guidelines: This color mostly highlights the most favorable figure of it's column in the Table. This color mostly highlights the most favorable figure of it's column since 9/11, or else since the Rock-The-Vote Democrat Recession. This color highlights the worst figures in it's column in the Table, including loss of Labor Force count. Quote:Comparing to The Great Depression: the Unemployment peaked in 1933 at 24.75% with 12.830 Million unemployed. In 1932 there were 12.060 M unemployed, and 11.340M in 1934, 10.610 in 1935. The 5 year stretch from 2009 to 2014 exceeded 12.9 Million each year, more Unemployed than the Great Depression. And 2014 was only less with the Fake figure, but including Marginally Attached was still more than Great Depression. The Civilian Adult Population steadily Increases, suggesting that figure is not manipulated. The Unemployment Rate was almost doubled by Jan 2010, and the Fake figure didn't return to 2008 level until Jan 2016. This figure after 2008 was able to be artificially less by shifting more unemployed into the Marginally Attached category, which Obamanomics managed to almost double. This Jan figure didn't return to 2008 level until 2017, after Trump was Elected. With 10 Million in 2008, this count did not fall back to sub-10 Million until 2017. A key factor that shadowstats points out is that the feeder category, the category which generates the discrepancy between BLS Fiction and reality, is the Marginally Attached. When Obamanomics doubled this figure, it was able to permanently exclude these Unemployed from the stats for the remainder of the Obamanomics Stagnation Extended Recession. It was much more difficult for Obama to expell his victims from the BLS rolls around 2011 when Unemployment was so bad there were Extended Benefits, (so applicants were required to document work searches before getting Unemployment Insurance Payments) - and this part of the Work Force could not be deleted from the Labor Force until they stopped documenting their search for work. The figure of Unemployed plus Marginally Attached is indisputably the real Unfake Unemployment figure since the Redefining of 1994 (which shadowstats states was to cover up the Losses of Employment from NAFTA). It does not return to Jan 2008 level until 2017, after Trump was Elected. For April 2018 this figure is lower than any January figure since it was created in 1994. The Jan Rate of all 3 categories combined of Obamanomics Unemployment did not fall back to 2008 level until 2018.
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Quote:Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN: The shadowstats site is lean on actual data, requiring a subscription to access what it claims as database. However, I will make attempt to add in some of the data it presents. This does make assumption that their methodology and counting methods are valid, which I cannot find clear information about. There also may be comingling of Seasonally Adjusted figures from shadowstats without clarity, but this will be the only series of Tables I post which veer from Not Seasonally Adjusted figures. The charts they present do show that Unemployment under Trump is better than any time under Obamanomics, so it may be a worthwhile endeavor to investigate. I will refer to this set of data as Table JSF-URF-5 I will post some actual numbers and let the comparisons and discussion follow. The documented shenanigans of Obamabots deliberately refusing to Report jobless data in the months before the 2012 Election are a different matter, I will just use the Fake Data they produced and pretend it was real. The 1st column of numbers is the unemployed. The 2nd column is the Rate. The 3rd column is the sum of the Unemployed plus Marginally Attached plus Involuntary Part-time. 4th column is the Rate for column 3 figure. The Rates in columns 2 and 4 have the denominator of Labor Force. The 5th column is the Civilian Population. 6th column is Labor Force, 7th column is Participation Rate. 8th column is the published U-6 figure. The 9th column is the Real Unemployment figure, as presented by shadowstats. The 10th column is the underreported, the difference between the U-6 figure from BLS and the Real figure from shadowstats. Figures in thousands. MoYr Unem Pcnt Total Prcnt CivPop LbrForc Prtc% U6% Real Separation Ja93 09911 07.9 16575 12.8 192644 126034 65.4 Ja94 09492 07.3 16575 12.8 195953 129393 66.0 12% 15.3% 2.3% Ja95 08101 06.2 14504 11.1 197753 130698 66.1 10% 13.5% 3.5% Ja96 08270 06.3 14110 10.7 199634 131396 65.8 10.8% 13.5% 2.7% Ja97 07933 05.9 13886 10.3 202285 134317 66.4 10.4% 13% 2.6% Ja98 07069 05.2 12638 09.3 204238 135951 66.6 09.3% 12% 2.7% Ja99 06604 04.8 11607 08.4 206719 137943 66.7 08.5% 11.5% 3.0% Ja00 06316 04.5 10868 07.8 208782 139621 66.9 07.8% 11% 3.2% Ja01 06647 04.7 11496 08.2 210889 141049 66.9 08.1% 10.5% 2.4% Ja02 08935 06.3 14693 10.4 213089 141074 66.2 10.5% 13% 2.5% Ja02 09051 06.3 15036 10.5 216506 143228 66.2 10.5% 13% 2.5% Ja03 09395 06.5 15996 11.0 219897 145301 66.1 11.0% 13% 2.0% Ja04 09144 06.3 15966 10.9 222161 146068 65.7 10.9% 14% 3.1% Ja05 08444 05.7 15041 10.2 224837 147125 65.4 10.2% 13% 2.8% Ja06 07608 05.1 13765 09.2 227553 149090 65.5 09.2% 12% 2.8% Ja07 07649 05.0 13846 09.1 230650 151924 65.9 09.1% 12% 2.9% Ja08 08221 05.4 15185 09.9 232616 152828 65.7 09.9% 13% 3.1% Ja09 13009 08.5 23814 15.5 234739 153445 65.4 15.4% 20% 4.6% Ja10 16147 10.6 27847 18.2 236832 152957 64.6 18.0% 22% 4.0% Ja11 14937 09.8 26764 17.5 238704 152536 63.9 17.3% 22.5% 5.2% Ja12 13541 08.8 25097 16.4 242269 153485 63.4 16.2% 22.5% 6.3% Ja13 13181 08.5 24130 15.6 244663 154794 63.3 15.4% 23% 7.6% Ja14 10855 07.0 21064 13.6 246915 154381 62.5 13.5% 23.5% 10% Ja15 09498 06.1 18857 12.1 249723 156050 62.5 12.0% 23.5% 11.5% Ja16 08309 05.3 16632 10.6 252397 157347 62.3 10.5% 23% 12.5% Ja17 08149 05.1 16028 10.1 254082 158676 62.5 10.1% 23% 12.9% Ja18 07189 04.5 14222 08.9 256780 160037 62.3 08.9% 22% 13.1% Ja19 07140 04.4 14297 08.8 258239 162104 62.8 08.8% 21.8% 13.0% Ja20 06504 04.0 12573 07.7 259502 163497 63.0 07.7% 21.0% 13.3% Ja21 10851 06.8 19188 12.1 260851 159234 61.0 12.0% 25.7% 13.7% Ja22 07207 04.4 12924 07.9 263202 162825 61.9 07.9% 24.5% 16.6% Ja23 06378 03.9 12213 07.4 265962 165070 62.1 07.4% 24.5% 17.1% Ja18 07189 04.5 14222 08.9 256780 160037 62.3 08.9% 22% 13.1% Fb18 07091 04.4 13934 08.6 256934 161494 62.9 08.6% 21.9% 13.3% Mr18 06671 04.1 13100 08.1 257097 161548 62.8 08.1% 21.8% 13.7% Ap18 05932 03.7 11925 07.4 257272 161280 62.7 07.4% 21.5% 14.1% My18 05657 03.6 11789 07.3 257454 161765 62.8 07.3% 21.4% 14.1% Jn18 06812 04.2 13223 08.1 257642 163277 63.4 08.1% 21.5% 13.4% J l 18 06730 04.1 12929 07.9 257843 163734 63.5 07.9% 21.3% 13.4% Au18 06370 03.9 12076 07.4 258066 161909 62.7 07.4% 21.2% 13.8% Se18 05766 03.6 11581 07.2 258290 161958 62.7 07.1% 21.3% 14.2% Oc18 05771 03.5 11431 07.0 258514 162723 62.9 07.0% 21.2% 14.2% Nv18 05650 03.5 11840 07.3 258708 162665 62.9 07.2% 21.4% 14.2% Dc18 06029 03.7 12206 07.4 258888 162510 62.8 07.5% 21.4% 13.9% Ja19 07140 04.4 14297 08.8 258239 162104 62.8 08.8% 21.8% 13.0% Fe19 06625 04.1 12526 07.7 258392 162793 63.0 07.7% 21.1% 13.4% Mr19 06382 03.9 12287 07.5 258537 162823 63.0 07.5% 21.2% 13.7% Ap19 05387 03.3 11228 06.9 258693 162097 62.7 06.9% 21.2% 14.3% My19 05503 03.4 10968 06.7 258861 162655 62.8 06.7% 21.1% 14.4% Jn19 06292 03.8 12392 07.5 259037 164120 63.4 07.5% 21.2% 13.7% J l 19 06556 04.0 12051 07.3 259225 164941 63.6 07.3% 21.0% 13.7% Au19 06203 03.8 12004 07.3 259432 164019 63.2 07.3% 21.2% 13.9% Se19 05465 03.3 10689 06.5 259638 163943 63.1 06.5% 20.9% 14.4% Oc19 05510 03.3 10700 06.5 259845 164576 63.3 06.5% 21.0% 14.5% Nv19 05441 03.3 10740 06.5 260020 164386 63.2 06.5% 20.9% 14.4% Dc19 05503 03.4 10919 06.7 260181 164007 63.0 06.7% 20.8% 14.1% Ja20 06504 04.0 12573 07.7 259502 163497 63.0 07.7% 21.0% 13.3% Fe20 06218 03.8 12213 07.4 259628 164235 63.3 07.4% 21.1% 13.7% Mr20 07370 04.5 14538 08.9 259758 162537 62.6 08.9% 22.9% 14.0% Ap20 22504 14.4 35239 22.6 259896 155830 60.0 22.4% 39.3% 16.9% My20 20514 13.0 33092 20.9 260047 157975 60.7 20.7% 36.5% 15.8% Jn20 18072 11.2 29768 18.5 260204 160883 61.8 18.3% 31.2% 12.9% J l20 16882 10.5 27430 17.0 260373 161374 62.0 16.8% 30.0% 13.2% Au20 13742 08.5 23212 14.4 260558 160966 61.8 14.3% 28.0% 13.7% Se20 12277 07.7 20099 12.6 260742 160073 61.4 12.4% 26.9% 14.5% Oc20 10620 06.6 18780 11.7 260925 161053 61.7 11.6% 26.3% 14.7% No20 10264 06.4 18755 11.7 261085 160468 61.5 11.6% 26.3% 14.7% De20 10404 06.5 18732 11.7 261230 160017 61.3 11.6% 26.2% 14.6% Ja21 10851 06.8 19188 12.1 260851 159234 61.0 12.0% 25.7% 13.7% Fe21 10486 06.6 19743 12.3 260918 160008 61.3 11.6% 25.8% 14.2% Mr21 09905 06.2 17547 10.9 261003 160397 61.5 10.9% 25.7% 14.8% Ap21 09220 05.7 15951 09.9 261103 160379 61.4 09.9% 25.5% 15.6% My21 08829 05.5 15717 09.8 261210 160607 61.5 09.7% 26.0% 16.3% Jn21 09883 06.1 16515 10.2 261338 162167 62.1 10.1% 25.8% 15.7% J l21 09221 05.7 15670 09.6 261469 162817 62.3 09.6% 25.4% 15.8% Au21 08556 05.3 14423 08.9 261611 161788 61.8 08.9% 25.4% 16.5% Se21 07366 04.6 13175 08.2 261766 161392 61.7 08.1% 25.1% 17.0% Oc21 06896 04.3 12532 07.7 261908 161863 61.8 07.7% 25.1% 17.4% No21 06302 03.9 12017 07.4 262029 162099 61.9 07.4% 24.8% 17.4% De21 05964 03.7 11629 07.2 262136 161696 61.7 07.2% 24.5% 17.3% Ja22 07207 04.4 12924 07.9 263202 162825 61.9 07.9% 24.5% 16.6% Fe22 06782 04.1 12556 07.7 263324 163725 62.2 07.6% 24.6% 17.0% Mr22 06168 03.8 11660 07.1 263444 164274 62.4 07.1% 24.4% 17.3% Ap22 05458 03.3 10805 06.6 263559 163449 62.0 06.6% 24.5% 17.9% My22 05548 03.4 10998 06.7 263679 164157 62.3 06.7% 24.6% 17.9% Jn22 06334 03.8 11688 07.1 263835 165012 60.1 07.0% 24.3% 17.3% J l22 06255 03.8 11936 07.2 264012 165321 60.2 07.2% 24.4% 17.2% Au22 06256 03.8 11664 07.1 264184 164973 62.4 07.0% 24.6% 17.6% Se22 05460 03.3 10558 06.4 264356 164463 62.2 06.4% 24.4% 18.0% Oc22 05609 03.4 10379 06.3 264535 164753 62.3 06.3% 24.5% 18.2% No22 05523 03.4 10522 06.4 264708 164272 62.1 06.4% 24.4% 18.0% De22 05352 03.3 10521 06.4 264844 164224 62.0 06.4% 24.4% 18.0% Ja23 06378 03.9 12213 07.4 265962 165070 62.1 07.4% 24.5% 17.1% Fe23 06465 03.9 12031 07.2 266112 166178 62.4 07.3% 24.6% 17.3% Mr23 06043 03.6 11348 06.8 266272 166783 62.6 06.8% 24.6% 17.8% Ap23 05146 03.1 10234 06.2 266443 166221 62.4 06.1% 24.6% 18.5% My23 05700 03.4 10695 06.4 266618 166702 62.5 06.4% 24.7% 18.3% Jn23 06351 03.8 12167 07.2 266801 167910 62.9 07.2% 24.9% 17.7% J l23 06372 03.8 11921 07.1 267002 168354 63.1 07.1% 24.9% 17.8% Au23 06623 03.9 12207 07.3 267213 168049 62.9 07.2% Se23 06049 03.6 11239 06.7 267428 167718 62.7 06.7% Oc23 06098 03.6 11412 267642 167774 62.7 06.8% No23 05827 03.5 1625 1.0 07452 04.4 3796 2.3 11248 06.7 267822 167977 62.7 06.7 De23 05907 03.5 1567 7474 4229 11703 267991 166661 62.2 07.0 Fe24 06970 04.2 1559 0.9 08529 05.1 4479 2.7 13008 07.8 267711 167285 62.5 07.8 Mr24 06604 03.9 1439 0.9 08043 04.8 4343 2.6 12386 07.4 267884 167960 62.7 07.4 May24 06235 03.7% 6259 12496 4152 16648 268248 167536 62.5 07.1 Jn24 07233 04.3 1548 0.9 08781 05.2 4350 2.6 13131 07.8 268438 169007 63.0 07.7 Jl24 07685 04.5 1628 1.0 09313 05.5 4661 2.7 13974 08.2 268644 169723 63.2 08.2 Au24 07415 04.4 1359 0.8 08774 05.2 4677 2.8 13451 08.0 268856 168763 62.8 08.0 Se24 06524 03.9 *756 0.4 *7280 *4.3 4227 2.5 11507 06.8 269080 168569 62.6 07.3 Oc24 06631 03.9 1547 0.9 08178 04.9 4122 2.4 12300 07.3 269289 168569 62.6 07.3 No24 06708 04.0 1615 1.0 08323 04.9 4252 2.5 12575 07.5 269463 168164 62.4 07.4 De24 06452 03.8 1565 08017 4385 12402 269638 167746 62.2 07.4 Ja25 07467 04.4 1703 1.0 09170 05.4 4854 2.9 14024 08.3 272685 169814 62.3 08.2 Fe25 07572 04.5 1733 1.0 09305 05.5 5086 3.0 14391 08.5 272847 170116 62.3 08.4 Mr25 07242 04.2 1539 0.9 08780 05.1 4813 2.8 13593 08.0 273023 170653 62.5 07.9 Ap25 06580 03.9 1570 0.9 08150 04.8 4431 2.6 12581 07.2 273197 170622 62.5 07.3 Jn25 07460 04.4% 1862 09322 4577 13899 273585 171343 62.6 08.1 Jl25 07847 04.6 1751 09598 4729 14327 273785 171646 62.7 08.3 Au25 07747 04.5 1791 09538 4632 14170 274001 171035 62.4 08.2 J l 12 13400 08.6 24147 15.4 243354 156526 64.3 Au12 12696 08.2 22980 14.8 243566 155255 63.7 Se12 11742 07.6 22262 14.4 243772 155075 63.6 Oc12 11741 07.5 21942 14.1 243983 155779 63.8 Nv12 11404 07.4 21807 14.1 244174 154953 63.5 General color-coding guidelines: This color mostly highlights the most favorable figure of it's column in the Table. This color mostly highlights the most favorable figure of it's column since 9/11, or else since the Rock-The-Vote Democrat Recession. This color highlights the worst figures in it's column in the Table, including loss of Labor Force count. Quote:Comparing to The Great Depression: the Unemployment peaked in 1933 at 24.75% with 12.830 Million unemployed. In 1932 there were 12.060 M unemployed, and 11.340M in 1934, 10.610 in 1935. The 5 year stretch from 2009 to 2014 exceeded 12.9 Million each year, more Unemployed than the Great Depression. And 2014 was only less with the Fake figure, but including Marginally Attached was still more than Great Depression. The Civilian Adult Population steadily Increases, suggesting that figure is not manipulated. The Unemployment Rate was almost doubled by Jan 2010, and the Fake figure didn't return to 2008 level until Jan 2016. This figure after 2008 was able to be artificially less by shifting more unemployed into the Marginally Attached category, which Obamanomics managed to almost double. This Jan figure didn't return to 2008 level until 2017, after Trump was Elected. With 10 Million in 2008, this count did not fall back to sub-10 Million until 2017. A key factor that shadowstats points out is that the feeder category, the category which generates the discrepancy between BLS Fiction and reality, is the Marginally Attached. When Obamanomics doubled this figure, it was able to permanently exclude these Unemployed from the stats for the remainder of the Obamanomics Stagnation Extended Recession. It was much more difficult for Obama to expell his victims from the BLS rolls around 2011 when Unemployment was so bad there were Extended Benefits, (so applicants were required to document work searches before getting Unemployment Insurance Payments) - and this part of the Work Force could not be deleted from the Labor Force until they stopped documenting their search for work. The figure of Unemployed plus Marginally Attached is indisputably the real Unfake Unemployment figure since the Redefining of 1994 (which shadowstats states was to cover up the Losses of Employment from NAFTA). It does not return to Jan 2008 level until 2017, after Trump was Elected. For April 2018 this figure is lower than any January figure since it was created in 1994. The Jan Rate of all 3 categories combined of Obamanomics Unemployment did not fall back to 2008 level until 2018.
Quote:Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN: This Table of Data, which breaks down the numerical changes in the key figures. I will refer to this set of data as Table JSF-URF-6 I will post some actual numbers and let the comparisons and discussion follow. The BLS uses both Seasonally Adjusted figures and Unadjusted figures, and interchanges them without clearly identifying so. I will use only the Unadjusted numbers, to help maintain clarity and transparency. Some numbers may have a 0 placed as first digit, to maintain column form in this format. The 1st column is Labor Force minus both Unemployed and Involuntary Part-Time. This is also Employed minus Involuntary Part-Time. This is not a figure identified by BLS, so I will call it Actually Fully Employed. This is Employed Full-time plus Voluntary Part-Time. Not listed, but Civilian noninstitutional Population minus Actually Fully Employed is also a figure avoided by BLS, and I will call it Not Fully Employed, which is Unemployed plus Involuntary Part-Time plus Marginally Attached plus Not In Labor Force. The 2nd column is Not Fully Employed Rate, which is divided by Civilian noninstitutional Population. The 3rd column is the Civilian Population. 4th column is Labor Force, 5th column is Participation Rate. After the separation bar, the 7th column is the Increase in Civilian Population from the previous entry. For the entries by year, this is the 12 month Increase. For the entries broken down by month, this is the 1 month Increase. The 8th column is the Increase in Labor Force from the previous entry. The 9th column is the Increase in Actually Fully Employed count, from the previous entry. In the monthly breakdown for 2018, after the second separation bar, the 10th column is the Civilian Population Increase from the entry 12 months prior. The 11th column is the Labor Force Increase from the entry 12 months prior. The 12th column is the Actually Fully Employed Increase from the entry 12 months prior. The 13th column is the amount that the 12th column exceeds the 10th column, or the amount of Unemployed that is being chipped away, despite manipulation of other figures. Figures in thousands. Mo/Yr AcEmpl NtEm CiviPop LbrFrc Prtc% | CPIn LFIn AEInc Jan94 114938 41.3% 195953 129393 66.0% | Jan95 117923 40.4% 197753 130698 66.1% | 1800 1305 02985/+1185 Jan96 119023 40.4% 199634 131396 65.8% | 1881 0698 01100/-0781 Jan97 122046 39.7% 202285 134317 66.4% | 2651 2921 03023/+0372 Jan98 124798 38.9% 204238 135951 66.6% | 1953 1634 02752/+0799 Jan99 127694 38.2% 206719 137943 66.7% | 2481 1992 02896/+0415 Jan00 129950 37.8% 208782 139621 66.9% | 2063 1678 02256/+0193 Jan01 130843 38.0% 210889 141049 66.9% | 2107 1428 00893/-1214 Jan02 127890 40.0% 213089 141074 66.2% | 2200 0025 -2953/-5153 Jan02 129724 40.1% 216506 143228 66.2% | 5617 2179 -1119/-6736 Jan03 130903 40.5% 219897 145301 66.1% | 3391 2073 01179/-2212 Jan04 131772 40.7% 222161 146068 65.7% | 2264 0767 00869/-1395 Jan05 133888 40.5% 224837 147125 65.4% | 2676 1057 02116/-0560 Jan06 136978 39.8% 227553 149090 65.5% | 2716 1965 03090/+0374 Jan07 139655 39.5% 230650 151924 65.9% | 3097 2834 02677/-0420 Jan08 139372 40.1% 232616 152828 65.7% | 1966 0904 -0283/-2249 Jan09 131761 43.9% 234739 153445 65.4% | 2123 0617 -7611/-9734 Jan10 127649 46.1% 236832 152957 64.6% | 2093 -488 -4112/-6205 Jan11 128572 46.1% 238704 152536 63.9% | 1872 -421 00923/-0949 Jan12 131197 45.8% 242269 153485 63.4% | 3565 0949 02625/-0940 Jan13 133107 45.6% 244663 154794 63.3% | 2394 1309 01910/-0484 Jan14 135909 45.0% 246915 154381 62.5% | 2252 -413 02802/+0550 Jan15 139427 44.2% 249723 156050 62.5% | 2808 1669 03518/+0710 Jan16 142804 43.4% 252397 157347 62.3% | 2664 1297 03377/+0713 Jan17 144400 43.2% 254082 158676 62.5% | 1685 1329 01596/-0089 Jan18 147468 42.6% 256780 160037 62.3% | 2698 1361 03068/+0370 Jan19 149421 42.1% 258239 162104 62.8% | 1459 2067 01953/+0494 Jan20 152388 41.3% 259502 163497 63.0% | 1263 1393 02967/+1704 Jan21 142099 45.5% 260851 159234 61.0% | 1349 -4263 -12235/-13584 Jan22 151524 42.4% 263202 162825 61.9% | 2351 3591 09425/+7074 Ja23* 154291 42.0% 265962 165070 62.1% | 2760 2245 02767/+0007 Jan24 154847 42.1% 267540 166428 62.2% | 1578 1358 00556/-1022 Jan25 157493 42.2% 272685 169814 62.3% | 5145 3386 02646/-2499 Jan17 144400 43.2% 254082 158676 62.5% | Feb17 145895 42.6% 254246 159482 62.7% | 164 00806 01495 Mar17 147125 42.2% 254414 159912 62.9% | 168 00430 01230 Apr17 148272 41.8% 254588 159817 62.8% | 174 -0095 00147 My 17 148413 41.7% 254767 159979 62.8% | 179 00162 00141 Jun17 148532 41.7% 254957 161337 63.3% | 190 01358 00119 Jul17 149040 41.6% 255151 161911 63.5% | 194 00574 00508 Aug17 148446 41.9% 255357 160863 63.0% | 206 -1048 -0594 Sep17 149753 41.4% 255562 161049 63.0% | 205 00186 01307 Oct17 149727 41.5% 255766 160465 62.7% | 204 -0584 -0026 Nov17 149626 41.5% 255949 160466 62.7% | 183 00001 -0101 Dec17 148610 42.0% 256109 159880 62.4% | 160 -0586 -1016 Jan18 147468 42.6% 256780 160037 62.3% | 671 00157 -1142 | 2698 1361 3068 +370 Feb18 149162 41.9% 256934 161494 62.9% | 154 01457 01694 | 2688 2012 3267 +579 Mar18 149902 41.7% 257097 161548 62.8% | 163 00054 00740 | 2681 1636 2777 +096 Apr18 150717 41.4% 257272 161280 62.7% | 175 -0268 00815 | 2684 1463 2445 -239 My 18 151431 41.2% 257454 161765 62.8% | 182 00485 00714 | 2687 1786 3028 +341 Jun18 151491 41.2% 257642 163277 63.4% | 188 01512 00060 | 2685 1940 2959 +274 Jul18 152303 40.9% 257843 163734 63.5% | 201 00457 00812 | 2692 1823 3262 +570 Aug18 151276 41.4% 258066 161909 62.7% | 223 -1825 -1027 | 2709 1046 2830 +121 Sep18 151954 41.2% 258290 161958 62.7% | 224 00049 00678 | 2341 0909 2201 -140 Oct18 152783 40.9% 258514 162723 62.9% | 224 00765 00829 | 2748 2218 3056 +308 Nov18 152503 41.1% 258708 162665 62.9% | 194 -0058 -0280 | 2759 2199 2877 +118 Dec18 151860 41.3% 258888 162510 62.8% | 180 -0155 -0643 | 2779 2630 3250 +471 Jan19 149421 42.1% 258239 162104 62.8% |-649 -0406 -2439 | 1459 2067 1953 +494 Feb19 151691 41.3% 258392 162793 63.0% | 153 00689 02270 | 1458 1299 2529 1071 Mar19 151893 41.2% 258537 162823 63.0% | 145 00030 00202 | 1440 1275 1991 +551 Apr19 152286 41.1% 258693 162097 62.7% | 156 -0726 00393 | 1421 0817 1569 +148 May19 153082 40.9% 258861 162655 62.8% | 168 00558 00796 | 1407 0890 1651 +244 Jun19 153300 40.8% 259037 164120 63.4% | 176 01465 00218 | 1395 0843 1809 +414 Jul19 154368 40.5% 259225 164941 63.6% | 188 00821 01068 | 1382 1207 2065 +683 Aug19 153579 40.8% 259432 164019 63.2% | 207 -0922 -0789 | 1366 2110 2303 +937 Sep19 154553 40.5% 259638 163943 63.1% | 216 -0076 00974 | 1348 1985 2599 1251 Oct19 155472 40.2% 259845 164576 63.3% | 207 00633 00919 | 1331 1853 2689 1358 Nov19 154892 40.4% 260020 164386 63.2% | 175 -0190 -0580 | 1312 1721 2389 1077 Dec19 154334 40.7% 260181 164007 63.0% | 161 -0379 -0558 | 1293 1493 2474 1181 Jan20 152388 41.3% 259502 163497 63.0% |-679 -0510 -1946 | 1263 1393 2967 1704 Feb20 153516 40.9% 259628 164235 63.3% | 126 00738 01128 | 1236 1442 1845 +609 Mar20 149389 42.5% 259758 162537 62.6% | 130 -1698 -4127 | 1221 -286 -2504 Apr20 122802 52.7% 259896 155830 60.0% | 138 -6707 -26587 | 1203 -6267 -29484 May20 127175 51.1% 260047 157975 60.7% | 151 02145 04373 | 1186 -4680 -25907 Jun20 133601 48.7% 260204 160883 61.8% | 157 02908 06426 | 1167 -4058 -19699 Jul20 135971 47.8% 260373 161374 62.0% | 169 00491 02370 | 1148 -3567 -18397 Aug20 139837 46.3% 260558 160966 61.8% | 185 -0408 03834 | 1126 -3053 -13742 Sep20 141895 45.6% 260742 160073 61.4% | 184 -0893 02058 | 1104 -3870 -12658 Oct20 144196 44.7% 260925 161053 61.7% | 183 00980 02301 | 1080 -3523 -11276 Nov20 143781 44.9% 261085 160468 61.5% | 160 -0585 -0415 | 1065 -3918 -11111 Dec20 143480 45.1% 261230 160017 61.3% | 145 -0451 -0301 | 1049 -3990 -10854 Jan21 142099 45.5% 260851 159234 61.0% |-379 -0783 -1381 | 1349 -4263 -10289 Feb21 143323 45.1% 260918 160008 61.3% | 067 00774 01224 | 1290 -4227 -10193 Mar21 144633 44.6% 261003 160397 61.5% | 085 00389 01310 | 1245 -2140 -4756(-7260) Apr21 146191 44.0% 261103 160379 61.4% | 100 -0018 01558 | 1207 4549 23389(-6095) May21 146762 43.8% 261210 160607 61.5% | 107 00228 00571 | 1163 2632 19587(-6320) Jun21 147508 43.6% 261338 162167 62.1% | 128 01560 00746 | 1134 1284 13907(-5792) Jul21 149070 43.0% 261469 162817 62.3% | 131 00650 01562 | 1096 1443 13099(-5298) Aug21 148923 43.1% 261611 161788 61.8% | 142 -1029 -0147 | 1053 0822 9086(-4656) Sep21 149949 42.7% 261766 161392 61.7% | 155 -0396 01026 | 1024 1319 8054(-4604) Oct21 150498 42.5% 261908 161863 61.8% | 142 00471 00549 | 0984 0810 6302(-4974) Nov21 151676 42.1% 262029 162099 61.9% | 121 00236 01178 | 0944 1561 7895(-3216) Dec21 151738 42.1% 262136 161696 61.7% | 107 -0403 00062 | 0906 1679 8258(-2596) Jan22 151524 42.4% 263202 162825 61.9% | 1066 1129 -0214 | 2351 3591 9425 (-864) Feb22 152665 42.0% 263324 163725 62.2% | 122 00900 01141 | 2406 3717 9342 (-851) Mar22 153895 41.6% 263444 164274 62.4% | 120 00549 01230 | 2441 3877 9262 (2002) Apr22 153960 41.6% 263559 163449 62.0% | 115 -0825 00065 | 2456 3070 7769 (1674) May22 153868 41.6% 263679 163157 62.3% | 120 -0292 -0092 | 2469 2550 7106 ( 786) Jun22 154865 41.3% 263835 165012 60.1% | 156 01855 00997 | 2497 2845 7357 (1565) Jul22 154999 41.3% 264012 165321 60.2% | 177 00309 00134 | 2543 2504 5929 ( 631) Aug22 154721 41.4% 264184 164973 62.4% | 172 -0348 -0278 | 2573 3185 5798 (1142) Sep22 155524 41.2% 264356 164463 62.2% | 172 -0510 00803 | 2590 3071 5575 ( 971) Oct22 155843 41.1% 264535 164753 62.3% | 179 00290 00319 | 2627 2890 5345 ( 371) Nov22 155251 41.4% 264708 164272 62.1% | 173 -0481 -0592 | 2506 2173 3575 ( 359) Dec22 154969 41.5% 264844 164224 62.0% | 136 -0048 -0282 | 2708 2528 3231 ( 635) Jan23 154291 42.0% 265962 165070 62.1% | 1118 0846 -0678 | 2760 2245 2767 (1903) Feb23 155567 41.5% 266112 166178 62.4% | 150 01108 01276 | 2788 2453 2902 (2051) Mar23 156625 41.2% 266272 166783 62.6% | 160 00605 01058 | 2828 2509 2730 -098 Apr23 157448 40.9% 266443 166221 62.4% | 171 -0562 00823 | 2884 2772 3488 +604 May23 157484 40.9% 266618 166702 62.5% | 175 00481 00036 | 2939 3545 3616 +677 Jun23 157222 41.1% 266801 167910 62.9% | 183 01208 -0262 | 2966 2898 2357 -609 Jul23 157900 40.9% 267002 168354 63.1% | 201 00444 00678 | 2990 3033 2901 -089 Aug23 157342 41.1% 267213 168049 62.9% | 211 -0305 -0558 | 3029 3076 2621 -408 Sep23 157971 40.9% 267428 167718 62.7% | 215 -0331 00629 | 3072 3255 2447 -625 Oct23 157753 41.1% 267642 167774 62.7% | 214 00056 -0218 | 3107 3021 1910 -1197 Nov23 158354 40.9% 267822 167977 62.7% | 180 00203 00601 | 2978 3705 3103 +125 Dec23 156525 41.6% 267991 166661 62.2% | 169 -1316 -1829 | 3147 2437 1556 -1591 Jan24 154847 42.1% 267540 166428 62.2% |-451 -0233 -1678 | 1578 1358 0556 -1022 Feb24 155836 41.8% 267711 167285 62.5% | 171 00857 00989 | 1599 1107 0269 -1330 Mar24 157013 41.4% 267884 167960 62.7% | 173 00675 01177 | 1612 1177 0388 -1224 Apr24 157390 41.3% 268066 167484 62.5% | 182 -0476 00377 | 1623 1263 -058 -1681 May24 157189 41.4% 268248 167536 62.5% | 182 00052 -0201 | 1630 0834 -295 -1925 Jun24 157424 41.4% 268438 169007 63.0% | 190 01471 00235 | 1637 1097 0202 -1435 Jul24 157377 41.4% 268644 169723 63.2% | 206 00716 -0047 | 1642 1369 -523 -2165 Aug24 156671 41.7% 268856 168763 62.8% | 212 -0960 -0706 | 1643 0714 -671 -2314 Sep24 157818 41.3% 269080 168569 62.6% | 224 -0194 01147 | 1652 0851 -153 -1805 Oct24 157816 41.4% 269289 168569 62.6% | 209 ---0- -0002 | 1647 0795 0063 -1584 Nov24 157204 41.7% 269463 168164 62.4% | 174 -0405 -0612 | 1641 187 -1150 -2791 Dec24 156909 41.8% 269638 167746 62.2% | 175 -0418 -0295 | 1647 1085 -616 -2263 Jan25 157493 42.2% 272685 169814 62.3% | 3047 2068 00584 | 5145 3386 2646 -2499 Feb25 157458 42.3% 272847 170116 62.3% | 162 00302 -0035 | 5136 2831 1622 -3514 Mar25 158598 41.9% 273023 170653 62.5% | 176 00537 01140 | 5139 2693 1585 -3554 Apr25 159611 41.6% 273197 170622 62.5% | 174 -0031 01013 | 5131 3138 2221 -2910 May25 159034 41.8% 273385 170216 62.3% | 188 -0406 -0577 | 5137 2680 1845 -3292 Jun25 159306 41.8% 273585 171343 62.6% | 200 01127 00272 | 5147 2336 2082 -3065 Jul25 159070 41.9% 273785 171646 62.7% | 200 00303 -0236 | 5141 1923 1693 -3448 Aug25 158656 42.1% 274001 171035 62.4% | Mo/Yr AcEmpl NtEm CiviPop LbrFrc Prtc% | CPIn LFIn AEInc | CPIn LFIn AEInc Mo/Yr AcEmpl NtEm CiviPop LbrFrc Prtc% | \SincLastMonth/ | \SinceLastYear/ Jul12 134908 44.1% 243354 156526 64.3 | Aug12 134836 44.6% 243566 155255 63.7 | 212 -1271 -0072 Sep12 135330 44.5% 243772 155075 63.6 | 206 -0180 00494 Oct12 136270 44.1% 243983 155779 63.8 | 211 00704 00940 Nov12 135651 44.4% 244174 154953 63.5 | 191 -1174 -0619 Display stabilization row: XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX General color-coding guidelines: This color mostly highlights the most favorable figure of it's column in the Table. This color mostly highlights the most favorable figure of it's column since 9/11, or else since the Rock-The-Vote Democrat Recession. This color highlights the worst figures in it's column in the Table, including loss of Labor Force count. Quote: The Civilian Adult Population steadily Increases, suggesting that figure is not manipulated. Except possibly 2010, 2011, 2016. The Labor Force Participation Rate steadily dropped each year until finally reversing in 2017, Trump's first year.
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