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Elections; 2024
Friday, December 29, 2023 6:47 AM
THG
Quote:Originally posted by THG: Sunday, July 2, 2023 6:42 PM THG T
Friday, December 29, 2023 6:49 AM
Friday, December 29, 2023 12:57 PM
SIGNYM
I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.
Quote:Maine Secretary of State Shenna Bellows decided Thursday to remove Donald Trump from the state’s presidential ballot. Maine’s Shenna Bellows. Jared Golden, a Democratic congressman from Lewiston who voted to impeach Trump over the January 6th riots, quickly issued a statement: We are a nation of laws, therefore until he is actually found guilty of the crime of insurrection, he should be allowed on the ballot. ... Is there any way this ends well? - Matt Taibbi
Friday, December 29, 2023 1:40 PM
SECOND
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: Quote:Maine Secretary of State Shenna Bellows decided Thursday to remove Donald Trump from the state’s presidential ballot. Maine’s Shenna Bellows. Jared Golden, a Democratic congressman from Lewiston who voted to impeach Trump over the January 6th riots, quickly issued a statement: We are a nation of laws, therefore until he is actually found guilty of the crime of insurrection, he should be allowed on the ballot. ... Is there any way this ends well? - Matt Taibbi ----------- "It may be dangerous to be America's enemy, but to be America's friend is fatal." - Henry Kissinger Loving America is like loving an addicted spouse - SIGNYM
Friday, December 29, 2023 6:09 PM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: Quote: Maine Secretary of State Shenna Bellows decided Thursday to remove Donald Trump from the state’s presidential ballot. Maine’s Shenna Bellows. Jared Golden, a Democratic congressman from Lewiston who voted to impeach Trump over the January 6th riots, quickly issued a statement: We are a nation of laws, therefore until he is actually found guilty of the crime of insurrection, he should be allowed on the ballot. ... Is there any way this ends well? - Matt Taibbi - SIGNYM
Quote: Maine Secretary of State Shenna Bellows decided Thursday to remove Donald Trump from the state’s presidential ballot. Maine’s Shenna Bellows. Jared Golden, a Democratic congressman from Lewiston who voted to impeach Trump over the January 6th riots, quickly issued a statement: We are a nation of laws, therefore until he is actually found guilty of the crime of insurrection, he should be allowed on the ballot. ... Is there any way this ends well? - Matt Taibbi
Friday, December 29, 2023 10:52 PM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: Quote: Maine Secretary of State Shenna Bellows decided Thursday to remove Donald Trump from the state’s presidential ballot. Maine’s Shenna Bellows. Jared Golden, a Democratic congressman from Lewiston who voted to impeach Trump over the January 6th riots, quickly issued a statement: We are a nation of laws, therefore until he is actually found guilty of the crime of insurrection, he should be allowed on the ballot. ... Is there any way this ends well? - Matt Taibbi THUGR: There is nothing in the constitution that even suggests he has to be convicted first.
Quote: The term "innocent until proven guilty" is not in the U.S. Constitution. The presumption of innocence is recognized as a due process right under the Fifth Amendment. The prosecutor has the burden of proof to show you are guilty beyond a reasonable doubt.
Quote: That said, the Colorado courts found he did incite an insurrection.
Friday, December 29, 2023 11:04 PM
Quote:Originally posted by THG: There is nothing in the constitution that even suggests he has to be convicted first. That said, the Colorado courts found he did incite an insurrection. T
Saturday, December 30, 2023 6:54 AM
Saturday, December 30, 2023 7:00 AM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: Quote: Maine Secretary of State Shenna Bellows decided Thursday to remove Donald Trump from the state’s presidential ballot. Maine’s Shenna Bellows. Jared Golden, a Democratic congressman from Lewiston who voted to impeach Trump over the January 6th riots, quickly issued a statement: We are a nation of laws, therefore until he is actually found guilty of the crime of insurrection, he should be allowed on the ballot. ... Is there any way this ends well? - Matt Taibbi THUGR: There is nothing in the constitution that even suggests he has to be convicted first. There's something in our Constitution... perhaps you're not familiar with it, seeing as you apparently hate freedom ... that's called "due process". It's in the Fifth Amendment. Quote: The term "innocent until proven guilty" is not in the U.S. Constitution. The presumption of innocence is recognized as a due process right under the Fifth Amendment. The prosecutor has the burden of proof to show you are guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. https://www.lawinfo.com/resources/criminal-defense/is-the-presumption-of-innocence-in-the-consti.html You CLAIM to love America but you'd trample the freedoms that make my country so great. Quote: That said, the Colorado courts found he did incite an insurrection. The Chief Justice and two other Democrat judges found that Trump's Constitutional rights had been violated. - SIGNYM
Saturday, December 30, 2023 7:43 AM
Saturday, December 30, 2023 8:15 AM
Saturday, December 30, 2023 5:20 PM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: Quote: Maine Secretary of State Shenna Bellows decided Thursday to remove Donald Trump from the state’s presidential ballot. Maine’s Shenna Bellows. Jared Golden, a Democratic congressman from Lewiston who voted to impeach Trump over the January 6th riots, quickly issued a statement: We are a nation of laws, therefore until he is actually found guilty of the crime of insurrection, he should be allowed on the ballot. ... Is there any way this ends well? - Matt Taibbi THUGR: There is nothing in the constitution that even suggests he has to be convicted first. SIGNYM: There's something in our Constitution... perhaps you're not familiar with it, seeing as you apparently hate freedom ... that's called "due process". It's in the Fifth Amendment. Quote: The term "innocent until proven guilty" is not in the U.S. Constitution. The presumption of innocence is recognized as a due process right under the Fifth Amendment. The prosecutor has the burden of proof to show you are guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. https://www.lawinfo.com/resources/criminal-defense/is-the-presumption-of-innocence-in-the-consti.html You CLAIM to love America but you'd trample the freedoms that make my country so great. THUGR: That said, the Colorado courts found he did incite an insurrection. SIGNY: The Chief Justice and two other Democrat judges found that Trump's Constitutional rights had been violated. THUGR: Quotes that reference your claims about the chief justice and others are needed comrade. They did not argue Trump did not incite an insurrection. So they agreed he did. They just said they did not know if they had the power to remove him from the ballet. Nothing about his rights being violated.
Quote:Dem-appointed Colorado justice says Trump ballot ban undermines 'bedrock' of America in fiery dissent The Colorado Supreme Court's decision to ban former President Trump from the state's primary ballot undermines a "bedrock principle" of American democracy, one of the court's Democrat-appointed justices wrote in a fiery dissent. Justices Carlos Samour, Maria Berkenkotter and Chief Justice Brian D. Boatright all dissented, but Samour was particularly critical of the 4-3 ruling. Samour and Boatright were each appointed by Democratic former Gov. John Hickenlooper, while Berkenkotter was appointed by current Gov. Jared Polis, also a Democrat. "The decision to bar former President Donald J. Trump — by all accounts the current leading Republican presidential candidate (and reportedly the current leading overall presidential candidate) — from Colorado's presidential primary ballot flies in the face of the DUE PROCESS doctrine," Samour wrote. "Even IF we are convinced that a candidate committed horrible acts in the past — dare I say, engaged in insurrection — there must be procedural due process before we can declare that individual disqualified from holding public office," he wrote.
Saturday, December 30, 2023 8:47 PM
Sunday, December 31, 2023 6:29 AM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: So, THUGR, I'm no Constitutional lawyer, but even I could see there's a big gaping hole in the Colorado decison, and it's all based on EXCESS PARTISANSHIP. Try to shed your excesses, son. You'll be a better American. ***** Oh, and next time you claim to post "facts", insinuate - or say outright - that I post "lies", or that I'm a "Russian troll", or bray that you "love America/freedom" ... remember this post where you went down in flames on all four counts. Oh, and your knowledge of what makes America "America"? Abysmal! Maybe you should take a citizenship class! SIGNYM
Sunday, December 31, 2023 10:48 AM
6IXSTRINGJACK
Sunday, December 31, 2023 11:34 AM
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Monday, January 1, 2024 5:43 PM
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Thursday, January 4, 2024 6:30 AM
Thursday, January 4, 2024 7:02 AM
Quote:Originally posted by THG: Disproven
Thursday, January 4, 2024 7:50 AM
Thursday, January 4, 2024 9:18 AM
Thursday, January 4, 2024 11:48 AM
Quote:Originally posted by 6ixStringJack: You've abused the term "far-right" so much that it doesn't mean anything to anybody anymore. Slate.com considers anybody right of Obama as far-right.
Thursday, January 4, 2024 4:17 PM
Quote:Originally posted by second: Quote:Originally posted by 6ixStringJack: You've abused the term "far-right" so much that it doesn't mean anything to anybody anymore. Slate.com considers anybody right of Obama as far-right. Have you ever heard of the word "cult"? How about the "Jonestown Massacre"?
Thursday, January 4, 2024 10:44 PM
Quote:Originally posted by 6ixStringJack: I didn't read beyond those first two sentences, by the way.
Friday, January 5, 2024 1:42 AM
Quote:Originally posted by second: Quote:Originally posted by 6ixStringJack: I didn't read beyond those first two sentences, by the way. Two bullets in the back of your Nazi skull are understandable without a word to read, by the way. Are Nazi Trumptards ready to die for what they believe in?
Friday, January 5, 2024 4:11 AM
Friday, January 5, 2024 7:15 AM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: I don't know how you do it SIX, but you REALLY get under SECOND'S skin. It must be a talent! He's such douche. What will he do when NATO loses and Trump is elected? He's willing to threaten people with death. So, will he threaten suicide? Goose sauce = gander sauce.
Friday, January 5, 2024 7:32 AM
Friday, January 5, 2024 11:58 AM
Quote:Originally posted by THG: Tuesday, August 22, 2023 10:00 PM THG Quote:Originally posted by 6ixStringJack: Get ready for it Jack. Some attorneys Generals are going to block Trump from getting on the ballets in their states. According to the constitution, he is automatically disqualified from running after trying to overturn an election. He is also on video suggesting we suspend the constitution. Something he was sworn to protect. tick tock tick tock T
Quote:Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
Friday, January 5, 2024 12:42 PM
Quote: The most serious and coordinated attempt was trying to smear Trump with some sort of Russian collusion charge. This went all the way back to MI6 and Christopher Steele, who wrote a fairy tale about "golden showers" and "kompromat" in order to surveill the Trump campaign. These (false) allegations were leaked to the press by our deep state, and recycled ad nuaseum thru the M$M and the Mueller "investigation" (who btw failed to interview any of the key players, like Assange, Steele, Mifsud etc). Let's not lose sight that this was precipitated by Hillary and Obama. Well, that failed (altho to this day there are still people who're suffering from paranoid PTSD because of this disinformation campaign) And then there was the "Trump is a racist" campaign because he wanted to block people from wartorn jihadist-ridden nations, which couldn't validate identitification documents if their lives depended on it (which, often, it did). I think most people saw this step as a reasonable security measure, tho, so this died a quiet death. The "racist" campaign was recycled ad naseum because Trump wanted to build a border wall, and the "resistance" was so overwrought about this issue they wound up supporting the "rights" of illegal immigrants over the rights of American citizens. Since most people really don't want to extend benefits (like free health care) to a flood of illegal migrants when all Americans don't have health care, this too died a quiet death. Let's interpolate the Kavanuagh hearing, which may have started with a grain of truth (Kavanaugh got drunk when he was a student) but was whipped up into a froth of 99.9% hysteria. Also, let's interpolate the "Covington students assault native American" fiction, which got several M$M outlets sued. Ukrainegate. The latest attempt to remove Trump. Like the Mueller "investigation" the House failed to interview ... or indeed, find .... any relevant eyewitnesses who could say the magic words "Trump told me". They managed to not even interview the person who started this all ... Eric Ciamarella ... but instead clung to the fiction that he deserves some sort of anonymity because ... whatever. Meanwhile, the transcript shows nothing like a "quid pro quo" and even the presumed victim -Zelenskiy - says there was no pressure. Altho I believe that the whole event, including the issues of Hunter Biden being part of a protection racket and Joe Biden getting Ukraine's Chief Procurator fired, deserves to be thoroughly investigated, this, too will die an ignominious death. The deep state's/ globalists' biggest and best-organized plan (RUSSIA!RUSSIA!) failed, and the rest amounts to nothing more than picking up adventitious clods of shit and throwing them against the wall to see what sticks. But FOR SURE they won't give up, now that campaign season is open for Trump. So, what next? ... I don't believe that Trump has been successful. What he is is sand in the gears of the transnationals and the globalist elites. He's been able to thwart their rapacious one-worldism and has (so far) kept us out of any NEW wars, but he has not been able to reverse the interventionist efforts, and will not be able to remake the American economy. Also, not a huge fan of his support for Israel and his visceral hatred of Iran, or his constantly appointing deep-staters, liberal interventionists, and neconons to his security team. People (here) often mistake my refusal to get on their anti-Trump crazy-train as support for Trump. For me, Trump was a PROTEST VOTE. I was hoping he would do a few things (so far about 50% accomplished) but if all he is is a loose cannon and a vengeful poke in the eye of the globalists, I'm happy. ... Still ... what next? When the RUSSIA!RUSSIA! disinformation campaign failed, it was easy to predict that they would do something next, or something in parallel. Remember, these people have no moral or ethical boundaries to cross. Truth, democracy, patriotism, human lives mean nothing to them. So, sure as night follows day, there will be more attempts to discredit, derail, or disable Trump. What comes next? "Unfit for office?" Lethal flu infection? ... God, SECOND really has a stick up his ass about taxes, doesn't he? I hate to tell you this, SECOND, but most Americans know that ALL of the rich and the corporations have been screwing us on their taxes, and that tax avoidance has been going on since taxes were first imposed. (And no, I don't mean "in America", I mean "in history"). Maybe if you were to propose some meaningful tax reform it might interest people, but going after one politically covenient guy with hammer and tongs over his taxes is just a big soozefest. Most people would see it as meaningless partisan theater, and they'd be correct. ... Oooooh! Oooooooh! I KNOW! They're going to claim "election hacking" and cancel the results!! (But only if Trump wins.) ... [TO SECOND] Oh, I understand that tax cheating is a crime, alright. I also know that there are international law firms, like Mossack Fonseca (associated with Hillary Clinton) that help the wealthy stash their money into instant foundations, shell corporations, and offshore accounts. That's a lot worse ... and involves a lot more money ... than just fudging the figures on a tax form. When you go after one individual while others are doing the same - or a lot worse- it's called selective enforcement. In this case, I would call it blatant election meddling. Or maybe partisan hypocrisy. Or, in your case , Trump Derangement Syndrome Instead of constantly ... and I mean constantly... obssessing about Trump (Trump this! Trump that! Trump something else!) ... why don't you propose a way to solve the problem? People might at least be willing to listen. But I know you won't, just like CC will never discuss What are Americans' interests?. You hate America, and Americans, far too much to engage in anything positive. You really, REALLY, need a new hobby! SECOND: "Russian troll ... blah blah blah" [Libel and insult is what SECOND resorts to when he has no credible response] If you were a patriotic American (are you?) you'd know that there is such as thing as innocent until proven guilty. YOU have been relentlessly hounding Trump over one made-up-"crime" after another, most of which have been determined to be as full of hot air as you are. You'd also know that there is such a thing as equal protection under the law which means ... among other things ... no selective prosecution. You'd also know that Trump won the election fair and square, under Electoral College procedures determined by the Constitution. Also, that he and his staff have fourth amendment rights, which appear to have been violated by the FBI in their application to the FISA Court. Why do you hate America so much, SECOND? Are you willing to overturn our Constitutional protections, our electoral procedures, our free speech, and our democracy in order to assuage your hate?
Quote: Ballot Cleansing: Democrats Are Moving To Bar Republicans From Ballots Nationwide https://jonathanturley.org/2024/01/05/ballot-cleansing-democrats-are-moving-to-bar-republicans-from-ballots-nationwide/
Friday, January 5, 2024 4:57 PM
Quote:Originally posted by THG: Quote:Originally posted by THG: Tuesday, August 22, 2023 10:00 PM THG Quote:Originally posted by 6ixStringJack: Get ready for it Jack. Some attorneys Generals are going to block Trump from getting on the ballets in their states. According to the constitution, he is automatically disqualified from running after trying to overturn an election. He is also on video suggesting we suspend the constitution. Something he was sworn to protect. tick tock tick tock T
Friday, January 5, 2024 5:49 PM
Friday, January 5, 2024 6:11 PM
Quote:Originally posted by THG: The Supreme Court will decide if Donald Trump can be kept off 2024 presidential ballots WASHINGTON (AP) — The Supreme Court said Friday it will decide whether former President Donald Trump can be kept off the ballot because of his efforts to overturn his 2020 election loss, inserting the court squarely in the 2024 presidential campaign. The justices acknowledged the need to reach a decision quickly, as voters will soon begin casting presidential primary ballots across the country. The court agreed to take up Trump's appeal of a case from Colorado stemming from his role in the events that culminated in the Jan. 6, 2021, attack on the U.S. Capitol. https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/the-supreme-court-will-decide-if-trump-can-be-kept-off-2024-presidential-ballots/ar-AA1mwT4x?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=5e2d5813be6f4d5895582cc4af102e62&ei=13
Friday, January 5, 2024 6:19 PM
Saturday, January 6, 2024 12:47 PM
Saturday, January 6, 2024 1:00 PM
Quote:Originally posted by THG: An abortion rights petition had more than a hundred thousand signatures than it needed to get onto the ballot in Florida. So, It will be on the ballet. tick tock... T
Saturday, January 6, 2024 2:48 PM
Quote:Originally posted by 6ixStringJack: Quote:Originally posted by THG: An abortion rights petition had more than a hundred thousand signatures than it needed to get onto the ballot in Florida. So, It will be on the ballet. tick tock... T
Saturday, January 6, 2024 3:27 PM
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Sunday, January 7, 2024 7:57 AM
Sunday, January 7, 2024 8:23 AM
Quote:Originally posted by second: Tangent Trump also mentioned President Xi Jinping of China during the speech, saying: “He controls 1.4 billion people ruthlessly. Ruthlessly. No games, right? They said, ‘is President Xi of China a brilliant man?’ I said, ‘yes he is.’ He’s a brilliant man.”
Sunday, January 7, 2024 9:50 AM
Sunday, January 7, 2024 11:47 AM
Quote:Originally posted by 6ixStringJack: Quote:Originally posted by second: Tangent Trump also mentioned President Xi Jinping of China during the speech, saying: “He controls 1.4 billion people ruthlessly. Ruthlessly. No games, right? They said, ‘is President Xi of China a brilliant man?’ I said, ‘yes he is.’ He’s a brilliant man.” Hannibal Lecter was a brilliant man too. I'm sure nobody would want him babysitting their kids though. I know it's hard, but even when you're going to just consume everything the media prints out of context to frame their narrative, try to use some critical thinking. Everybody knows that Xi is a lot of things, but being a dummy isn't one of them. -------------------------------------------------- Political correctness is just tyranny, with a smiley face.
Sunday, January 7, 2024 1:37 PM
Sunday, January 7, 2024 3:54 PM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: The more I hear of Vivek, the better I like him. Except his prejudice towards Israel and against Muslims. Oh well. SIGNYM
Sunday, January 7, 2024 4:10 PM
Monday, January 8, 2024 1:19 AM
Quote:Originally posted by second: Quote:Originally posted by 6ixStringJack: Quote:Originally posted by second: Tangent Trump also mentioned President Xi Jinping of China during the speech, saying: “He controls 1.4 billion people ruthlessly. Ruthlessly. No games, right? They said, ‘is President Xi of China a brilliant man?’ I said, ‘yes he is.’ He’s a brilliant man.” Hannibal Lecter was a brilliant man too. I'm sure nobody would want him babysitting their kids though. I know it's hard, but even when you're going to just consume everything the media prints out of context to frame their narrative, try to use some critical thinking. Everybody knows that Xi is a lot of things, but being a dummy isn't one of them. -------------------------------------------------- Political correctness is just tyranny, with a smiley face.6ix, you are selling a fantasy. Trump's true life history has given the world warning about what he will do but his Trumptards are reinterpreting reality and Trump's words and deeds in the most imaginary ways to make Trump appear good. Sorrowfully for Trumptards, it will end badly for Trump and them, but it is kind of like the long delay between smoking cigarettes and death. The package warns that "Smoking Kills" but since it does not kill instantaneously, they optimistically ignore the warnings about tobacco, Trump, everything. They want to be free and they can't exercise their unlimited freedumb if they heed warnings. Instead, they ignore the warnings, live free, die young and poor. It's not a wise way to live, but that's how more than half carry on in life. The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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