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'Kyle did nothing wrong'? or the crimes of the Kenosha Shooter

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Monday, November 15, 2021 9:09 PM

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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:

So, does this mean that the illiterate Racist Anti-Constitution Prosecutor will charge and convict him of this weapons charge? Or is the fact that he is white absolve him, and only half-Hispanics like Kyle get to be charged with Fake Charges?

Unflattering videos of Rittenhouse

Prosecutors wanted to present two videos taken of Rittenhouse in the weeks leading up to the shooting, arguing that they provided "crucial insight" into the teenager's state of mind in summer 2020. Kenosha County Circuit Judge Bruce Schroeder disagreed in both instances.

One of the videos, which circulated widely on social media, showed Rittenhouse punching a girl from behind. Another video, filmed across the street from a CVS Pharmacy, showed hooded people rushing out of the store clutching items. Rittenhouse's voice could be heard saying, "Bro, I wish I had my fucking AR. I'd start shooting rounds at them."

https://www.insider.com/details-the-kyle-rittenhouse-jury-wont-conside
r-during-deliberations-2021-11


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Monday, November 15, 2021 9:17 PM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:

It doesn't matter what he was there "for". What matters, at least as far as I understand, are the circumstances immediately before Rittenhouse fired his weapon.

It's one thing to shoot gooks running away from a helicopter ... you can take time to pick your targets and aim.

It's another to shoot when a mob is chasing you and one is pointing a weapon at you.

I know there are various legal limits on self defense in various states. Not sure of the applicable law in this state, but IMHO some of the limits that I've seen require far more cool-headedness than I would expect of the average civilian.

When faced with - literally- an enraged mob (a mob which, apparently, mistakenly believes that you just shot somebody) there is no hope of self defense unless you have a gun.

If Rittenhouse REALLY wanted to kill libtards, he would have positioned himself on a tall building, and started picking people off, like any sensible mass shooter. Yanno, like you shooting from a helicopter.

So instead of grinding on and on with your obsession about Rittenhouse's supposed motives ... and you have a consistent history of being wrong with your "mind reading" ... you should look at his actions.

The evidence. There's a lot of it. What does it say?

According to court documents obtained by Insider, prosecutors are seeking to have the judge admit the video as evidence in Rittenhouse's upcoming trial. They said the video provided "crucial insight" into Rittenhouse's state of mind in summer 2020.

The 29-second video, which has been published by the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel, does not show Rittenhouse's face. The video was apparently filmed across the street from a CVS Pharmacy, where several hooded people could be seen rushing out and clutching items.

A voice that sounds like Rittenhouse's can be heard saying, "Bro, I wish I had my f---ing AR. I'd start shooting rounds at them."

In their motion on Wednesday, Prosecutors wrote that the new video, taken just 15 days before the Kenosha shootings, showed Rittenhouse "saw something, jumped to a conclusion based on exactly zero facts, and then threatened to kill someone based on his baseless assumption and wrongful interpretation."

Prosecutors added that Rittenhouse didn't know the people outside the CVS or what they were doing, was merely watching from a vehicle parked across the street, and was not interacting with anyone involved.

"The video proves that the defendant was ready and willing to use deadly force in a situation where it was completely unjustified," the motion said.

"The video also demonstrates that the defendant fervently sought to insert himself as an armed vigilante into situations that had nothing to do with him," prosecutors added.

https://www.insider.com/prosecutors-say-kyle-rittenhouse-video-shows-w
anted-to-shoot-people-2021-8


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Monday, November 15, 2021 11:02 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Quote:

Originally posted by second:
Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:

It doesn't matter what he was there "for". What matters, at least as far as I understand, are the circumstances immediately before Rittenhouse fired his weapon.

It's one thing to shoot gooks running away from a helicopter ... you can take time to pick your targets and aim.

It's another to shoot when a mob is chasing you and one is pointing a weapon at you.

I know there are various legal limits on self defense in various states. Not sure of the applicable law in this state, but IMHO some of the limits that I've seen require far more cool-headedness than I would expect of the average civilian.

When faced with - literally- an enraged mob (a mob which, apparently, mistakenly believes that you just shot somebody) there is no hope of self defense unless you have a gun.

If Rittenhouse REALLY wanted to kill libtards, he would have positioned himself on a tall building, and started picking people off, like any sensible mass shooter. Yanno, like you shooting from a helicopter.

So instead of grinding on and on with your obsession about Rittenhouse's supposed motives ... and you have a consistent history of being wrong with your "mind reading" ... you should look at his actions.

The evidence. There's a lot of it. What does it say?

According to court documents obtained by Insider, prosecutors are seeking to have the judge admit the video as evidence in Rittenhouse's upcoming trial. They said the video provided "crucial insight" into Rittenhouse's state of mind in summer 2020.

The 29-second video, which has been published by the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel, does not show Rittenhouse's face. The video was apparently filmed across the street from a CVS Pharmacy, where several hooded people could be seen rushing out and clutching items.

A voice that sounds like Rittenhouse's can be heard saying, "Bro, I wish I had my f---ing AR. I'd start shooting rounds at them."

In their motion on Wednesday, Prosecutors wrote that the new video, taken just 15 days before the Kenosha shootings, showed Rittenhouse "saw something, jumped to a conclusion based on exactly zero facts, and then threatened to kill someone based on his baseless assumption and wrongful interpretation."

Prosecutors added that Rittenhouse didn't know the people outside the CVS or what they were doing, was merely watching from a vehicle parked across the street, and was not interacting with anyone involved.

"The video proves that the defendant was ready and willing to use deadly force in a situation where it was completely unjustified," the motion said.

"The video also demonstrates that the defendant fervently sought to insert himself as an armed vigilante into situations that had nothing to do with him," prosecutors added.

https://www.insider.com/prosecutors-say-kyle-rittenhouse-video-shows-w
anted-to-shoot-people-2021-8


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Just imagine your court case when they ask for the archive of all the horrible shit you've said here.



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Tuesday, November 16, 2021 12:44 AM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Deliberations are scheduled to start tomorrow.

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Tuesday, November 16, 2021 1:42 AM

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

Just imagine your court case when they ask for the archive of all the horrible shit you've said here.

Rittenhouse said he would kill his victims with his AR-15 and he did. The Judge wouldn't allow Rittenhouse's killing words entered as evidence of murder because Rittenhouse didn't say the words where his victims could hear them. The Judge is a senile old fool, by which I mean he is the oldest and longest serving judge in the state, letting the jury hear a boatload of false testimony about Rittenhouse "protecting" himself. There was zero proof that Rittenhouse was protecting himself. No proof that the dead people had killed before. No proof the dead people wanted to kill anyone or have ever killed anyone before, during or after. But there was plenty of proof (the AR-15, his words, his associations, his politics, his t-shirts, his being where he should not be) that Rittenhouse went there to kill people. And then there are the corpses to prove Rittenhouse did kill people.

The Judge proved he is a senile old fool:
Toobin on Judge Schroeder: 'What the hell is he talking about?'
CNN's Jeffrey Toobin discusses Judge Bruce Schroeder's confusing jury instructions during the Kyle Rittenhouse trial.
https://www.cnn.com/videos/us/2021/11/15/bruce-schroeder-rittenhouse-t
oobin-ath-vpx.cnn


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Tuesday, November 16, 2021 2:35 AM

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Quote:

I have seen the one-armed bandit EMT testify, under oath, in this trial, that he did in fact have a handgun and pointed it at Kyle's head ...
The bit about a gun pointed "at this head" might be an exaggeration. Maybe in the general direction of is more like what I've read.

I'm curious about the protocol of self defense.

If I sight on you, but then move my gun to aim at something else, what's the timeline for it to count as self defense?

So, if I sight on you then aim at something else, obviously if you shoot me 5 days later, it's not self defense because I'm not am imminent threat. How about 5 minutes? Or 5 seconds? At what point is it reasonably thought of as self defense instead of murder?

Also, what seems to be missing from a lot of these stories is the complete set of facts. Everyone seems to be picking and choosing the parts they want to include in their narrative, while leaving the rest of the facts out.

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Tuesday, November 16, 2021 8:14 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Quote:

Originally posted by 1KIKI:

Quote:

I have seen the one-armed bandit EMT testify, under oath, in this trial, that he did in fact have a handgun and pointed it at Kyle's head ...
The bit about a gun pointed "at this head" might be an exaggeration. Maybe in the general direction of is more like what I've read.

I'm curious about the protocol of self defense.

If I sight on you, but then move my gun to aim at something else, what's the timeline for it to count as self defense?

So, if I sight on you then aim at something else, obviously if you shoot me 5 days later, it's not self defense because I'm not am imminent threat. How about 5 minutes? Or 5 seconds? At what point is it reasonably thought of as self defense instead of murder?

Also, what seems to be missing from a lot of these stories is the complete set of facts. Everyone seems to be picking and choosing the parts they want to include in their narrative, while leaving the rest of the facts out.



What the shit?

Why are you relying on the Media to tell you what to think all the time?

Has Covid made you as dumb as Joe Biden*?

Have you not seen this video?

https://www.bitchute.com/video/GMyOLOS8c0CG/

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Tuesday, November 16, 2021 8:17 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Quote:

Originally posted by second:
Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

Just imagine your court case when they ask for the archive of all the horrible shit you've said here.

Rittenhouse said he would kill his victims with his AR-15 and he did.



If Trump ever disappears, the Feds will be checking the digestive tracks of pig farms in the general area of your IP address in Texas.

Because you said you'd kill him and get away with it and feed his body to the pigs.

Don't worry, Second. I know you deleted it, but that's what archive sites are for.



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Tuesday, November 16, 2021 8:19 AM

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Originally posted by 1KIKI:

Also, what seems to be missing from a lot of these stories is the complete set of facts. Everyone seems to be picking and choosing the parts they want to include in their narrative, while leaving the rest of the facts out.

What is missing is how the Constitution recently gave childish Kyle Rittenhouse the right to kill his political enemies and such killing was renamed self-defense.

Amendment II -- A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.

Much has changed since 1791. The traditional militia fell into desuetude, and state-based militia organizations were eventually incorporated into the federal military structure. The nation’s military establishment has become enormously more powerful than eighteenth century armies. We still hear political rhetoric about federal tyranny, but most Americans do not fear the nation’s armed forces and virtually no one thinks that an armed populace could defeat those forces in battle. Furthermore, eighteenth century civilians routinely kept at home the very same weapons they would need if called to serve in the militia, while modern soldiers are equipped with weapons that differ significantly from those generally thought appropriate for civilian uses. Civilians no longer expect to use their household weapons for militia duty, although they still keep and bear arms to defend against common criminals (as well as for hunting and other forms of recreation).

Until recently, the judiciary treated the Second Amendment almost as a dead letter. In District of Columbia v. Heller (2008), however, the Supreme Court invalidated a federal law that forbade nearly all civilians from possessing handguns in the nation’s capital. A 5–4 majority ruled that the language and history of the Second Amendment showed that it protects a private right of individuals to have arms for their own defense, not a right of the states to maintain a militia.

Two years later, in McDonald v. City of Chicago (2010), the Court struck down a similar handgun ban at the state level, again by a 5–4 vote. Four Justices relied on judicial precedents under the Fourteenth Amendment’s Due Process Clause. Justice Thomas rejected those precedents in favor of reliance on the Privileges or Immunities Clause, but all five members of the majority concluded that the Fourteenth Amendment protects against state infringement of the same individual right that is protected from federal infringement by the Second Amendment.

Many issues remain open, and the lower courts have disagreed with one another about some of them, including important questions involving restrictions on carrying weapons in public.

https://constitutioncenter.org/interactive-constitution/interpretation
/amendment-ii/interps/99


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Tuesday, November 16, 2021 8:45 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

If Trump ever disappears, the Feds will be checking the digestive tracks of pig farms in the general area of your IP address in Texas.

Because you said you'd kill him and get away with it and feed his body to the pigs.

Don't worry, Second. I know you deleted it, but that's what archive sites are for.

I like the picture of angry Trumptards looking at entrails for traces of Trump. It will require advanced DNA science to detect the difference between what is Trump and what is pig shit.

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Tuesday, November 16, 2021 9:11 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Quote:

Originally posted by second:
Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

If Trump ever disappears, the Feds will be checking the digestive tracks of pig farms in the general area of your IP address in Texas.

Because you said you'd kill him and get away with it and feed his body to the pigs.

Don't worry, Second. I know you deleted it, but that's what archive sites are for.

I like the picture of angry Trumptards looking at entrails for traces of Trump. It will require advanced DNA science to detect the difference between what is Trump and what is pig shit.

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OK. I've got to admit. That one made me giggle.



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Tuesday, November 16, 2021 10:32 AM

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Ask about Kyle Rittenhouse at a gun range, and people will give you a look—and then start talking.

Lloyd, another Black visitor on his 30s, was also skeptical of Rittenhouse. He’s been paying close attention to the trial.

“I think it’s bullshit. They are giving him too much leeway,” he said. “To me, it’s premeditated because he brought a gun to a protest. I can’t go to your house with a gun to get you—I’m getting locked up for a long time.” (Lloyd, like Willy, did not volunteer his political leanings.)

Lloyd, who owns at least three guns, bought his weapons not to protect his home but his family. He was careful to make the distinction. “I got insurance to replace everything. I can’t replace my family. That’s all it is. It’s a tool just like any other tool,” he said. If things were to ever go wrong, he told me he can’t imagine himself being treated the same as Rittenhouse. (“They took that white boy who shot up a Black church to McDonalds. You think they’d take me to McDonalds?” he said. I unfortunately knew what he was talking about.) "Cops bought Burger King for Dylann Roof following his arrest"
https://abc7.com/dylann-roof-south-carolina-church-shooting-emanuel-af
rican-methodist-episcopal/801013
/

Lloyd has a conceal carry permit, but keeps his gun locked in his trunk. He doesn’t like showing it off. He worries that the Rittenhouse case makes all gun owners look reckless. “Think of the responsibility of how it reflects on you as a gun owner,” he said. “I think it’s OK to want to protect yourself, but I don’t believe your right to own a gun is just a right. It comes with responsibility.”

More at https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2021/11/kyle-rittenhouse-trial-bla
ck-rifle-coffee-gun-range.html


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Tuesday, November 16, 2021 11:00 AM

1KIKI

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Quote:

Originally posted by 1KIKI:

Quote:

I have seen the one-armed bandit EMT testify, under oath, in this trial, that he did in fact have a handgun and pointed it at Kyle's head ...
The bit about a gun pointed "at this head" might be an exaggeration. Maybe in the general direction of is more like what I've read.

I'm curious about the protocol of self defense.

If I sight on you, but then move my gun to aim at something else, what's the timeline for it to count as self defense?

So, if I sight on you then aim at something else, obviously if you shoot me 5 days later, it's not self defense because I'm not am imminent threat. How about 5 minutes? Or 5 seconds? At what point is it reasonably thought of as self defense instead of murder?

Also, what seems to be missing from a lot of these stories is the complete set of facts. Everyone seems to be picking and choosing the parts they want to include in their narrative, while leaving the rest of the facts out.

Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:


What the shit?

Why are you relying on the Media to tell you what to think all the time?

Has Covid made you as dumb as Joe Biden*?

Have you not seen this video?

https://www.bitchute.com/video/GMyOLOS8c0CG/

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Not going to click on any of your Jack's links because ... you.

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Tuesday, November 16, 2021 11:10 AM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.



But THIS video CLEARLY shows that as Rittenhouse was running, he TURNED AROUND AND
AIMED HIS AR AT THE PEOPLE RUNNING AFTER HIM HIM.

https://news.yahoo.com/enhanced-drone-video-shows-first-155330597.html


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Tuesday, November 16, 2021 11:18 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by 1KIKI:

But THIS video CLEARLY shows that as Rittenhouse was running, he TURNED AROUND AND
AIMED HIS AR AT THE PEOPLE RUNNING AFTER HIM HIM.

https://news.yahoo.com/enhanced-drone-video-shows-first-155330597.html


HIM HIM? Rittenhouse came there to kill his political enemies if there was an opportunity. As he was running away, he realized this was the opportunity he had been waiting for. He had a gun. He had a motive. He had an excuse to kill his enemies. Later, his highly paid defense team could magically turn homicide into self-defense. It was the end to a perfect evening for Rittenhouse. Much more fun for Rittenhouse than staying home and watching TV. When I was a kid, we'd have pine cone wars at night, hitting each other only with brown pine cones because the green ones were small, hard and would break the skin. Rocks were absolutely forbidden weapons. I guess Rittenhouse never played that war game with pine cones. He skipped over brown pine cones, green pine cones, rocks, and went directly to lead bullets.

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Tuesday, November 16, 2021 11:41 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


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Originally posted by 1KIKI:
Not going to click on any of your Jack's links because ... you.



That's why you're a stupid and ignorant bitch.

I didn't make the video. That unedited video has been around since the very day of the incident.

Good luck finding it on YouTube anymore where the Leftist Activists ban anyone who doesn't follow the narrative. It's not being removed from Bitchute though.

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Tuesday, November 16, 2021 11:51 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Quote:

Originally posted by second:
Quote:

Originally posted by 1KIKI:

But THIS video CLEARLY shows that as Rittenhouse was running, he TURNED AROUND AND
AIMED HIS AR AT THE PEOPLE RUNNING AFTER HIM HIM.

https://news.yahoo.com/enhanced-drone-video-shows-first-155330597.html


HIM HIM? Rittenhouse came there to kill his political enemies if there was an opportunity. As he was running away, he realized this was the opportunity he had been waiting for. He had a gun. He had a motive. He had an excuse to kill his enemies. Later, his highly paid defense team could magically turn homicide into self-defense. It was the end to a perfect evening for Rittenhouse. Much more fun for Rittenhouse than staying home and watching TV. When I was a kid, we'd have pine cone wars at night, hitting each other only with brown pine cones because the green ones were small, hard and would break the skin. Rocks were absolutely forbidden weapons. I guess Rittenhouse never played that war game with pine cones. He skipped over brown pine cones, green pine cones, rocks, and went directly to lead bullets.

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He didn't turn around until he was suckerpunched with a skateboard to the head.

You're both smoking crack.


Oh... and P.S. There is no such thing as "enhanced" video. Anybody saying that there is is lying to you. Stop watching stupid cop shows.





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Tuesday, November 16, 2021 9:17 PM

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The Supreme Court Is About to Open the Door to a Lot More Kyle Rittenhouse Situations When Everything Is “Self-Defense” and everyone gets a gun.

All of this is terrific news if one thinks every public gathering, indeed every public space, is enhanced by the presence of more guns. As the majority of the Supreme Court seems to have confirmed in this month’s oral arguments for New York State Rifle & Pistol Association v. Bruen, such a world is A-OK by them.

Justice Samuel Alito, for example, demonstrated his boundless concern for, as he put it, “law-abiding citizens” in New York City who are forced to “commute home by subway, maybe by bus,” and are unable to carry guns to protect themselves in a shootout, which would presumably occur on a crowded train or platform.

Yes, this is the world the current court seems likely to create, and it will leave the details of who intended to kill and who was just defending himself and who merely killed someone out of fear his gun would be wrested from him to any number of future juries.

Each of the three trials dominating the news this month features armed citizens taking up weapons to travel to public spaces where they believed themselves to be under threat.

In the trial of the three killers of Ahmaud Arbery in Georgia and the Rittenhouse trial in Wisconsin, the defendants claim that they were justified in their use of violence when they killed unarmed people in self-defense.

In both prosecutions “the defendants claim they were entitled to start shooting because the victims were trying to take their guns.”

White supremacists currently facing a civil trial in Charlottesville, Virginia, for harming others at a Nazi-style rally in 2017 are offering similar defenses, claiming that they too armed themselves and attacked peaceful counterprotesters out of a fear for their own safety.

Kimberly Kessler Ferzan, a professor of law and philosophy at the University of Pennsylvania, arguing in the Texas Law Review that “the problem is that with a citizenry armed with guns, we have blurred every line.”

Indeed, once everyone in public spaces is armed and operating under a sprawling regime of “stand your ground” and citizen’s arrest statutes plus a mushrooming mistrust of law enforcement, how will courts ever sort out who instigated and who responded? As Ferzan put it in her law review article: “What is defense? What is reasonable? When may one stand one’s ground and when must one retreat? And, when is a citizen entitled to step in as an aggressor in the name of the state?”

If you can arm yourself because you have declared yourself a substitute for law enforcement and then you claim people were grabbing for your weapon so you killed them with it, when are you every not justified in killing?

More at https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2021/11/kyle-rittenhouse-trial-gun
s-self-defense.html


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Tuesday, November 16, 2021 10:32 PM

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The Supreme Court Is About to Open the Door to a Lot More Kyle Rittenhouse Situations When Everything Is “Self-Defense” and everyone gets a gun.



Hey dickhead.

Your boy with one arm had a gun. Unlike Kyle's it was an illegal firearm.



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Tuesday, November 16, 2021 10:58 PM

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I have seen the one-armed bandit EMT testify, under oath, in this trial, that he did in fact have a handgun and pointed it at Kyle's head ...
The bit about a gun pointed "at this head" might be an exaggeration. Maybe in the general direction of is more like what I've read.

I'm curious about the protocol of self defense.

If I sight on you, but then move my gun to aim at something else, what's the timeline for it to count as self defense?

So, if I sight on you then aim at something else, obviously if you shoot me 5 days later, it's not self defense because I'm not am imminent threat. How about 5 minutes? Or 5 seconds? At what point is it reasonably thought of as self defense instead of murder?

Also, what seems to be missing from a lot of these stories is the complete set of facts. Everyone seems to be picking and choosing the parts they want to include in their narrative, while leaving the rest of the facts out.

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What the shit?

Why are you relying on the Media to tell you what to think all the time?

Has Covid made you as dumb as Joe Biden*?

Have you not seen this video?

https://www.bitchute.com/video/GMyOLOS8c0CG/


This.
Might be post of the week.
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Not going to click on any of your Jack's links because ... you.
And here the ignorant delusional Libtard insists on keeping her blinders on so she can remain ignorant and keep asking ignorant delusional Libtard queries after gobbling up all of her Fake News sources.

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Tuesday, November 16, 2021 11:01 PM

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All 3 of the Rioters, Looters, arsonists were convicted criminals.

https://www.wisconsinrightnow.com/2021/03/12/kenosha-shooting/

Rosenbaum, the insane jerk who kicked it all off, raped 9-year-old boys in AZ.

Huber Had been charged with a collection of felonies: Recklessly Endangering Safety with Use of a Dangerous Weapon, Strangulation and Suffocation, False Imprisonment with Use of a Dangerous Weapon. He had a stack of violent repetitive Domestic Abuse charges, and he was Court Ordered to not possess weapons - so maybe he figured killing folk with a skateboard was OK.

One armed bandit Grosskreutz, the clown who pointed his handgun at Kyle to provoke Kyle to shoot him, was already convicted of being armed with a firearm while intoxicated in 2016.

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Tuesday, November 16, 2021 11:08 PM

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Not going to click on any of your Jack's links because ... you.

That's why you're a stupid and ignorant bitch.

I didn't make the video. That unedited video has been around since the very day of the incident.

Good luck finding it on YouTube anymore where the Leftist Activists ban anyone who doesn't follow conform to the narrative. It's not being removed from Bitchute though.

I think the word choice was incorrect. I corrected it above.






Also, and aside, the total time elapsed from Ziminski firing behind Kyle, then shooting of attacker Rosenbaum, then firing at but not hitting another attacker,then getting bashed in the head with a skateboard by Huber and shooting him, and then firing at and missing another attacker, then Grosskreutz aiming his illegal handgun at Kyle and Kyle shooting him, was all of 16 seconds.

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Wednesday, November 17, 2021 6:32 AM

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Originally posted by second:
The Supreme Court Is About to Open the Door to a Lot More Kyle Rittenhouse Situations When Everything Is “Self-Defense” and everyone gets a gun.



Hey dickhead.

Your boy with one arm had a gun. Unlike Kyle's it was an illegal firearm.

The only people who have reason to carry arms on the street are the police, the national guard, security guards, and criminals. Any other people carrying guns are lunatics. "Your boy with one arm" who had a gun was a criminal. Rittenhouse was a lunatic who will likely join the category of a criminal.

In Texas, the noncriminals I know carrying guns think they are 007, James Bond. They are not. They are lunatics. Unlike 007, their marksmanship is poor and gets worse under stress, as does their judgement. Being frightened or angry and being sensible about targets does not go together.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

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Wednesday, November 17, 2021 6:50 AM

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Jack and J ... I've seen more videos than the 2 of you put together. There was MUTUAL gun-pointing going on. It's there - on undeniable video. I even posted a link that cleanly shows Rittenhouse pointing his AR at people. So who's the aggressor, and who's the defender? IT DEPENDS WHO STARTED IT. But all the videos show the end, and none show the beginning.

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Wednesday, November 17, 2021 7:11 AM

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Jack and J ... I've seen more videos than the 2 of you put together. There was MUTUAL gun-pointing going on. It's there - on undeniable video. I even posted a link that cleanly shows Rittenhouse pointing his AR at people. So who's the aggressor, and who's the defender? IT DEPENDS WHO STARTED IT. But all the videos show the end, and none show the beginning.

I have seen people who are slow and unsure about making big decisions in their own lives go to a gun store and purchase a weapon. Suddenly they feel powerful and capable of making quick life or death decisions for other people but they are no more capable than they were before making a gun purchase.

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Republican Mark McCloskey, a candidate for the U.S. Senate in Missouri, was photographed Tuesday outside the Wisconsin courthouse where Kyle Rittenhouse was on trial for murder. McCloskey on Tuesday was photographed standing next to two men flashing an “OK” sign, which is associated with white supremacists. Rittenhouse was also photographed in January with two men as they made the “OK” sign with their hands. The judge in September ruled against allowing that to be discussed during Rittenhouse's trial.

McCloskey and his wife, Patricia, were both in Kenosha, Wisconsin, on Monday and Tuesday to show support for Rittenhouse. The McCloskeys gained national attention after they waved guns at racial injustice protesters who were marching in their gated St. Louis subdivision last summer.

Mark McCloskey compared himself to Rittenhouse in a statement Tuesday, saying they have both been prosecuted and were defending themselves from an “angry mob.” McCloskey said he hopes the jury finds Rittenhouse not guilty.

The McCloskeys pleaded guilty in June to misdemeanor charges after waving guns at protesters and were ordered to pay fines, but Mark McCloskey left the courthouse defiantly pledging to “do it again” if faced with the same circumstances. Both McCloskeys were pardoned by Republican Missouri Gov. Mike Parson.

https://www.nbcchicago.com/news/local/us-senate-candidate-mccloskey-sh
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Wednesday, November 17, 2021 10:25 AM

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I'll bet all the jurors are buying guns after this.

They know that they're going to be murdered if they don't give the "right" verdict.



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Wednesday, November 17, 2021 1:23 PM

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Rittenhouse Attorneys Livid After Prosecutors Withheld High-Def Drone Footage, Gave Them "Compressed Version"
Wednesday, Nov 17, 2021 - 11:02 AM

Authored by Andrea Widburg via American Thinker (emphasis ours),

During the Kyle Rittenhouse trial, the prosecution argued that Kyle provoked the men who attacked him by waving his gun. To prove this, during the trial, the prosecution gave the defense fuzzy drone footage. There was a great deal of argument about what could be extrapolated from that fuzzy view. It turns out that the prosecution had within its possession a high-quality video that it played for the judge after the trial ended. On this, and other evidentiary grounds, the defense moved for a mistrial with prejudice. [With prejudice: no retrial possible]

Defense attorney Mark Richards gives his closing argument on Monday

The defense motion states the facts with sufficient clarity that I'm going to reprint them here verbatim:

On November 5. 2021, the fifth day of trial on this case, the prosecution turned over to the defense footage of a drone video which captured some of the incident from August 25, 2020. The problem is, the prosecution gave the defense a compressed version of the video. What that means is the video provided to the defense was not as clear as the video kept by the state. The file size of the defense video is 3.6 MB and the state's is 11.2 MB. Further, the dimensions on our video are 480 x 212, the state's, 1920 x 844. The video which was in the state's possession, wasn't provided to the defense until after the trial concluded. During the jury instructions conference, the defense played their version of the video for the court to review. The state indicated their version was much clearer and had their tech person come into court to have the court review their clearer video. The video is the same; the resolution of that video, however, was not. The state did not provide their quality video to the defense until Saturday, November 13, 2021, and only did so upon specific request by Attorney Wisco — two days before closing arguments and after the evidence had been closed.

Under Wisconsin law, when the defense makes a demand, the prosecution must provide to the defense "[a]ny physical evidence that the district attorney intends to offer in evidence at the trial" and "[a]ny exculpatory evidence." That's Wisconsin Stat. § 971.23(1)(g) & (h). I don't have the time to research the law, but my bet is that if Wisconsin's appellate court ever had before it the question of whether the prosecutor may get away with producing bastardized, degraded versions of the requested evidence, it would say emphatically not.

The motion for a mistrial with prejudice also raises the fact that, when Kyle Rittenhouse took the witness stand, the prosecutors improperly accused him of keeping silent after his arrest. That right, of course, is enshrined in the famous Miranda rights warning that all arrestees in America receive: "You have the right to remain silent ..." The corollary to that right is that this silence cannot be used against the defendant in a court of law, but that's exactly what the prosecution tried to do.

That is where the judge went livid.

I'm going to add that, according to the video of the trial, prosecution's excuse for even bringing that up is that Rittenhouse only made a statement after having seen all most of the evidence both for and against him. However, one could say the same of the witnesses on that stand, whose testimony was certainly fortified by review of video evidence.

Also, as an aside, in the process of turning our hardcopy evidence into digital, when we scanned it, we ALWAYS used the full-resolution setting (.tiff). .jpg and other file formats are compressed to save space, but it ALWAYS means loss of pixel resolution here and there, sometimes as much as 10pct.

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The motion reminds the court that a motion for retrial in Wisconsin can be granted with prejudice (i.e., no retrial) if the evidence shows prosecutorial overreach. To make this showing, the prosecutor's action must be intentional in that he clearly knew that his acts would be prejudicial to the defendant. The alleged misconduct must also have been purposefully intended to throw a trial that's going badly, justifying a mistrial and a second prosecutorial bite at the apple.

Here, the prosecution ignored not just a court order, but the whole principle behind the Miranda warning and could only have acted intentionally when it sprang a video on the defense at the last moment and gave the defense only a poor-quality copy of the original evidence. Both of those things scream intentionality.

As you may recall, the prosecution produced the drone footage at the last minute to support the claim that Kyle was waving his rifle around in a way that would provoke other people to engage in self-defense against him. Thus, they argued, Joseph Rosenbaum, who had been setting fires, tried to burn police as they sat in their patrol cars, swung chains at people, and screamed the N-word, was himself acting in self-defense when he told Kyle earlier that he was going to kill Kyle, and then raced after Kyle, cornered him in a parking lot, and grabbed for his long gun.

To state the argument is to realize how ridiculous it is. However, it's consistent with the prosecution's other argument on closing, which was that anyone who isn't carrying a gun is not a threat and that the person with a gun should always yield gracefully to a non-gun beating. By contrast, said the prosecution, a gun is inherently a threat. This picture of Reginald Denny, with nothing more, shows how ridiculous the first argument is:



The second argument vitiates the Second Amendment. If carrying a gun is inherently threatening, then no one ever has a right to defend himself.

As of this writing, the jury spent Monday deliberating without reaching a decision. By the time you read this, the trial may be over. The jury may have found Kyle guilty, in which case the mob gathered outside will celebrate by destroying property. It may have found Kyle innocent, in which case the mob will try once again to burn Kenosha. And the judge may have granted the motion, in which case the mob will also try to burn it all down.

MORE AT https://www.zerohedge.com/political/rittenhouse-attorneys-livid-after-
prosecutors-withheld-high-def-drone-footage-until-after


Original article at https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2021/11/kyle_rittenhouses_attorne
ys_allege_that_the_prosecution_hid_evidence.html


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Wednesday, November 17, 2021 1:30 PM

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So, what does this all mean?

If prosecutors had a BETTER, higher resolution drone footage of the event showing that Rittenhouse was pointing his gun, why withhold it? Wouldn't it have bolstered their case, instead of forcing jurors to squint at a grainy image, trying to decipher what it showed? Or did the better video show people in the mob making threatening gestures as well?

And why would prosecutors go against the judge's EXPLICIT instructions not to bring up Rittenhouse's "right to remain silent" (as well as contravene the Constitution)?

Either the prosecution is unimagineably imcompetent, or they're deliberately setting up a for mistrial.

Their performance is puzzling, to say the least.

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Wednesday, November 17, 2021 3:28 PM

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So, what does this all mean?

If prosecutors had a BETTER, higher resolution drone footage of the event showing that Rittenhouse was pointing his gun, why withhold it? Wouldn't it have bolstered their case, instead of forcing jurors to squint at a grainy image, trying to decipher what it showed? Or did the better video show people in the mob making threatening gestures as well?

And why would prosecutors go against the judge's EXPLICIT instructions not to bring up Rittenhouse's "right to remain silent" (as well as contravene the Constitution)?

Either the prosecution is unimagineably imcompetent, or they're deliberately setting up a for mistrial.

Their performance is puzzling, to say the least.




I'd just once again like to point out what I posted yesterday...

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Oh... and P.S. There is no such thing as "enhanced" video. Anybody saying that there is is lying to you. Stop watching stupid cop shows.




Fucking lying media. All they do is lie. Just got caught lying again.

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I'll bet all the jurors are buying guns after this.

They know that they're going to be murdered if they don't give the "right" verdict.

Convicting Rittenhouse means death for the Jury: A protester who had clashed with Black Lives Matter supporters at the Kyle Rittenhouse trial returned outside the courthouse toting an AR-15-style rifle Wednesday.

The man, who referred to himself as “Maserati Mike,” arrived carrying a megaphone in addition to the long rifle and what appeared to be a bulletproof vest.

He was briefly questioned by authorities who asked him to leave, citing a law that prohibits rifles within 1,000 feet of a school.

Shortly after, he drove away in his banged-up Maserati, only to return about an hour later sans rifle.

“Black Lives Matter is a terrorist organization,” the man, who appeared to have a knife in his pocket, shouted into a megaphone.

When approached for an interview, he replied, “I don’t speak to the media.”

The alarming appearance comes a day after he had sparred with Black Lives Matter protesters who were shouting, “No justice, no peace.”

“F-k Black Lives Matter," the man fired back at the group.

“If the glove don’t fit, acquit,” he added. (That was infamous dual murderer O.J. Simpson's defense, and O.J. went free.)

https://nypost.com/2021/11/17/maserati-mike-shows-up-with-rifle-at-kyl
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Wednesday, November 17, 2021 4:17 PM

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So, what does this all mean?

If prosecutors had a BETTER, higher resolution drone footage of the event showing that Rittenhouse was pointing his gun, why withhold it? Wouldn't it have bolstered their case, instead of forcing jurors to squint at a grainy image, trying to decipher what it showed? Or did the better video show people in the mob making threatening gestures as well?

And why would prosecutors go against the judge's EXPLICIT instructions not to bring up Rittenhouse's "right to remain silent" (as well as contravene the Constitution)?

Either the prosecution is unimaginably incompetent, or they're deliberately setting up a for mistrial.

Their performance is puzzling, to say the least.

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There's a lot about this case that's puzzling.

BTW the judge has a standing order that he imposes on ALL cases heard in his court - that NOBODY gets called a 'victim' - at least before a guilty verdict is reached. He believes that calling someone a victim is prejudicial against the defense. So that wasn't a rule he imposed only for this case.

The prosecution impugning the defendant's silence was maybe 'theater'. Because, despite any instructions to the jury to ignore select statements, nobody can unhear them. Both sides do that, in order to plant ideas in the jurors, even if they get a ruling against them and a motion to strike. What the prosecution may not have expected is the judge's vehemence. Perhaps the judge had just heard that tactic too many times, and was having none of it from the prosecution, like calling people victims (though if there were similar statements made by the defense that didn't get that reaction, is unknown).

I've sat on 3 juries of increasing severity: grand theft and possessing a stolen vehicle; attempted murder; and murder. (The verdicts were guilty; not guilty; and guilty, in that order.)

BOTH prosecution AND defense often play a lot of games. For example, in the attempted murder trial, the defendant, who was a huge dood, was accused of trying to murder another guy by hitting him repeatedly with a baseball bat, such that the beaten guy spent a long time in the hospital recovering and was left with some disability. (The defendant had previously stolen the beaten guy's gun from a gym bag in a closet at a party they both mutually attended, which is why they got into a scuffle in the first place. The verdict in the stolen gun trial was guilty, which we found out afterwards.)

We reached our not-guilty verdict for a couple of reasons. First, we did recognize that there were provoking reasons for the beaten up guy to get in a scuffle with the defendant. Because in all likelihood, the defendant had stolen the gun and was taunting the beaten-up guy over it.

But 1) the beaten-up guy threw the first punch, and 2) as soon as the beaten-up guy stopped swinging at the defendant, the defendant stopped hitting him with a baseball bat. So even though it was a case of fists versus bat, it seemed to lean more toward self-defense and less toward attempted murder.

But AFTER we reached our verdict, the lawyers let down their hair and talked with us. And one of them (I forget which) basically said - you might think they'd bring in the beaten-up guy because with his permanent injuries he'd be a sympathetic character. But the reason why they didn't bring in the beaten-up guy was because while the defendant is tall and hefty he's a lard-ass, and the beaten up guy was even bigger and really buff. And they also did inform us that the lard-ass guy really did take the gun.

In general, lawyers will instruct witnesses to ONLY directly answer the question.

I can see how the tactic works for the defense. Your own lawyer is probably only going to ask you questions that elicit vanilla answers. And the prosecution is going to only ask you questions that can trip you up. If you start going off-script, you might pull on that one thread that unravels your defense. So sticking to short, limited answers is your best bet.

But in the juries I've been on I've seen questions dismissed that I think would have elicited revealing information, like for example, did the big guy with the bat really steal the beaten-up guy's gun?

Anyway, in terms of limiting witness's answers, on the one side, as an expert witness, I've been instructed to ONLY answer the questions in criminal trials. But when it comes to witnesses in general I wonder if witnesses can say - look, your honor - I swore to tell the WHOLE truth, and answering these questions is not it.

And as a juror, I've seen the games BOTH sides play with limiting information, framing questions, limiting questions, and rhetorical theatrics to sway juries.



With the Rittenhosue case, the judge actually seems to favor the defense side, in general, with his standing order to never use the term victim, and his strong reaction to prosecution theatrics.

In the instance of the grainy v HD videotape, if the judge lets its exclusion stand, I can only conclude that 1) the prosecution never intended to use it as evidence, or 2) it wasn't exculpatory (but might possibly be prejudicial to other pending cases).

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Rittenhouse judge unloads wild rant about Black jurors after jury asks unrelated question

Judge Bruce Schroeder defended his actions and attacked the media at a hearing on Wednesday after the jury asked an unrelated question about the Kyle Rittenhouse trial.

Schroeder went off-topic at the hearing to address criticisms he has received in the media.

The judge defended his decision to not allow the people who were shot to be called "victims" because he said it was unfair to Rittenhouse.

"How would you like to be put on trial for a crime and the judge introduced the case to the jury by introducing you as the defendant and the person who's accusing you as the victim?" he asked. "Is it so difficult to use the term 'complaining witness' instead of prejudging what the jury is here to determine?"

He also explained why he allowed the defendant to control the lottery determining which jurors would decide the case.

"I am now reading about how bizarre and unusual it was to have the defendant pick the [juror] numbers out of the tumbler yesterday," Schroeder said. "I would admit that I don't know there's a large number of courts that do that. Maybe not any."

"I do it because of an incident that I had in a case I tried in Racine," he recalled. "I think it was a murder case but I'm not sure. And there was a Black defendant and there were 13 jurors. One of them was Black. And when the clerk -- the clerk, the government official drew the name out of the tumbler, it was a Black, the Black, the only Black."

Since that time, the judge said that he allows the defendants to select alternate jurors so they "feel better."

"We talk about optics nowadays," he said. "That was a bad optic, I thought. I think people feel better when they have control."

Before finishing his rant about the media, Schroeder threatened to remove future trials from live television.

"When I talked about problems with the media when this trial started, we were there in part," he complained, "because of grossly irresponsible handling of what comes out of this trial."

"I'm going to think long and hard again about live television for a trial next time," the judge added. "What's being done is really quite frightening" for a doddering old fool judge.

https://www.rawstory.com/judge-bruce-schroeder-2655752488/



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Wednesday, November 17, 2021 5:27 PM

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I was an alternate for a trial where some woman's BF was accused of beating up her boss, bc her boss made sexual advances to her and made it sound like a condition of employment.

well, the boss, WAS a young sleazeball. But he showed up in a suit that was 2 sizes too big for him, so that he would look small and helpless. (REALLY???)

The BF was a bigger buff dood. In the end, despite the fact that the boss really WAS a sleazeball ... you just don't go beating someone up for sex discrimination. There are people to complain to, especially since Sleazeball Boss was managing a Federal fund for black businesses in a black neighborhood. I'm sure the feds would have liked to have known what was going on. So the jury decided BF was guilty of assault and battery, and that was my independent decision, too.



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With Biden* failing on everything, Ted didn't even post today and Second has only posted in this thread.

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I listened to the video. I would hardly describe it as a "rant". It came across as more of an explanation. And I wouldn't describe it as "wild", either, altho I know that as far as SECOND is concerned, ANYONE who disagrees with him is either crazy or a 'tard. Too bad SECOND can't see that he's the crazy person around here.

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With Biden* failing on everything, Ted didn't even post today and Second has only posted in this thread.

At least he's not posting about Trump now.

Trump wrote on 11/17/21: When the Broken Old Crow, Mitch McConnell, agreed to a two-month extension, he allowed the Democrats to get their act together and pass the $1.2 Trillion “Non-Infrastructure” Green New Deal Bill, which is a disaster for America in that only 11% of the money will be spent on REAL Infrastructure, with most being spent on Green New Deal nonsense, with big tax increases. Its actual cost is over $2 Trillion, but the bigger disaster is yet to come in the next, much larger version of the Green New Deal, which some people say will be $5 Trillion. This was all allowed by Mitch McConnell’s incompetence and now I understand that a couple Republican Senators may get on board so that they can have yet another and even bigger victory, for the Democrats, while at the same time ensuring massive Inflation and the destruction of our Country as we know it. This is what happens when you allow a guy who lost an Election to take over the Office of the President. He obviously had no mandate, but they’re changing our Country and everything it stands for. Mitch McConnell couldn’t stop the first Bill so 19 Senators, including himself, joined in. That’s what he does—if you can’t beat them, join them. If he wasn’t so stupid and didn’t give the two-month extension, he could have stopped it all. Now he and his RINO friends will allow a much bigger and far worse Bill to pass, ruining our Country while giving the Democrats a great political lift, all at the same time. People, with the help of the Fake News Media, have already forgotten about the horrendous Afghanistan withdrawal, an economy and jobs that are in shambles, and so many other things. The good news is, they can’t forget about Inflation because it’s hitting them right in the face. This is the Broken Old Crow’s fault. He could have won it all using the Debt Ceiling—they were ready to fold. Now the Democrats have a big victory and the wind at their back. McConnell is a fool and he damn well better stop their “Dream of Communism Bill” and keep his Senators in line, or he should resign now, something he should have done a long time ago. Use the Debt Ceiling like it should have been used, you Old Broken Crow, to do so would hurt our Country far less than this horrible Bill. Any Republican in the House or Senate who votes for this Bill will never ever get a Trump Endorsement. Thank you, and good luck!

https://www.donaldjtrump.com/news/news-uyyehqxefz1082

Trump didn't use any paragraph breaks, but at least he did mark the end of sentences with a ! or a .

In other news, Trump is suing for the billionth time : Based on the foregoing, it is hereby demanded that the Pulitzer Prize Board take immediate steps to strip the New York Times and The Washington Post of the 2018 Pulitzer Prize for National Reporting. Pulitzer Prize Board’s failure to do so will result in prompt legal action being taken against it. Please be guided accordingly.

https://www.donaldjtrump.com/news/news-f9kmf52vby1084

Correction: Trump is not suing. He is threatening to sue. I'm pretty sure his lawyers have written trillions of threatening letters.

Trump declines to condemn Kyle Rittenhouse for killing of two protesters



The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

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Thursday, November 18, 2021 4:14 AM

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lol

I knew all I had to do to get the bot to post about Trump was to mention his name.




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Thursday, November 18, 2021 9:00 AM

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The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two


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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
lol

I knew all I had to do to get the bot to post about Trump was to mention his name.

In the parable of the sheep and the goats, Rittenhouse and Trump are Biblical goats, but with modern lawyers arguing they are sheep.

https://www.google.com/search?q=parable+of+the+sheep+and+the+goats

It gets even more silly when the voters who try passing as sheep on the internet but in reality live as goats insist that real sheep are goats, but it is not confusing because whenever Trump bleats he sounds exactly the same as a goat, which keeps his herd of goats together.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

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Thursday, November 18, 2021 9:52 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Who set the Bot to the Bible Channel again?

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Thursday, November 18, 2021 10:45 AM

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Look at that...

Lying USA Today not even mentioning the word "enhanced" today and telling the truth about how one side got a grainy version of the video while the other side had the original high def version.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2021/11/18/rittenhouse-jury
-day-3-judge-weighs-mistrial-drone-video/8663571002
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ENHANCING VIDEO IS NOT POSSIBLE.

Any of you dummies here who were saying there was "enhanced" drone footage because the media lied to you again going to come out and admit you were wrong?

That question is rhetorical. I know you dummies aren't going to do that.



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Thursday, November 18, 2021 10:57 AM

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Who set the Bot to the Bible Channel again?

The law gives even foolish men the right to defend their lives. But an acquittal does not make a foolish man a hero. A political movement that turns a deadly and ineffective vigilante into a role model is a movement that is courting more violence and encouraging more young men to recklessly brandish weapons in dangerous places, and that will spill more blood in America’s streets. Was that simple enough for you to understand, 6ix?

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

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Thursday, November 18, 2021 11:06 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by second:
Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Who set the Bot to the Bible Channel again?

The law gives even foolish men the right to defend their lives. But an acquittal does not make a foolish man a hero. A political movement that turns a deadly and ineffective vigilante into a role model is a movement that is courting more violence and encouraging more young men to recklessly brandish weapons in dangerous places, and that will spill more blood in America’s streets. Was that simple enough for you to understand, 6ix?

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two




Stupid is your native language. I don't read or write Stupid.

Go back and disavow all of the Leftist riots, looting and arson over the last year and a half and get back to me about this then.

You have ZERO legs to stand on in this argument, hypocrite.



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Thursday, November 18, 2021 5:57 PM

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Judge bans PMSNBC, NBC from courthouse.

PMSNBC Producer James Morrison was caught stalking the jurors, and NBC Booking Agent Irene Byon (who assigned him to stalk the jurors) has been busily nuking her social media pages.

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Thursday, November 18, 2021 6:46 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Supposedly the jurors aren't seeing the coverage - or threats- but something filters in anyway.

Also, their extremely biased reporting would amp up mob violence if the jury came back with anything less than a murder conviction. That implicit threat might factor into a jury decision, even tho it's not supposed to.

Whatever happened to truthful, investigative reporting? It's all opinion, accusation, and spin.

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Thursday, November 18, 2021 7:00 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


KIKI- IMHO it's not a simple case of "who started it". And not a simple case of "equivalent" force either.

To me it's more of a case of "credible threat" .. would an average person's self defense be triggered by a credible threat.

Some weaponless nobody yelling at you from 25 ft away would make me feel uneasy, but not enough to shoot. But 20 weaponless people chasing me would definitely make me want a gun. This reminds me of the Bernhard Goetz shooting: four young punks were threatening him. True, they only had screwdrivers, but there were four of them So he shot them. There was some talk of murder charge but in the end he was convicted of illegal possession of a firearm.

If Rittenhouse was waving his weapon (the subject of the grainy video, apparently) what were the circumstances?

I don't know. I haven't been following this, too busy to track down all of the video evidence, which is where I think the heart of the truth is.

No matter how the M$M tries to spin it by "mind reading" and "name calling".

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Thursday, November 18, 2021 8:59 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Supposedly the jurors aren't seeing the coverage - or threats- but something filters in anyway.

Also, their extremely biased reporting would amp up mob violence if the jury came back with anything less than a murder conviction. That implicit threat might factor into a jury decision, even tho it's not supposed to.

Whatever happened to truthful, investigative reporting? It's all opinion, accusation, and spin.

The judge had already made mention of possibly not allowing Live media in the future, due to the Fake News reporting the opposite of the facts, instead of his intention of providing transparency.

However, this ban was due to the threat to Constitutional anonimity of jurors, in the face of Libtards doxxing honest jurors.

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Thursday, November 18, 2021 9:10 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Yup. MSNBC "journalist" should be in prison along with George Floyd's nephew for intimidating the jury.

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Friday, November 19, 2021 4:47 AM

JAYNEZTOWN


Someone gave an order to chase down and doxx and harass the Jury?


He was being chased down by criminals and pedophiles?


Jump-Kick Man is a Criminal Hoodrat that punches Televisions, Revealed as a Woman Beating Career Criminal. Kicked gf in the ribs after knocking her down, the Hoodrat psycho was on bail for that when he kicked Kyle. Rittenhouse is charged with First Degree Recklessly Endangering Safety of Freeland, who was only known as 'jump-kick man'. Joseph Rosenbaum was the first person Rittenhouse shot on the night of August 25, 2020. The 36-year-old had been released from a mental health facility earlier that day and was still carrying the plastic bag of possessions with which he’d been discharged.

Another is a PEDOPHILE !!!
A convicted felon whose criminal history includes pedophilia the court heard that Rosenbaum was aggressive and out for trouble that night.

He ‘got in people’s faces…yelling and screaming,’ shouted ‘Shoot me N****,’ repeatedly and appeared ‘triggered’ by people who put out a flaming dumpster that he was attempting to push onto the street.

At one point in the night, he armed himself with a chain taken from a flat-bed trailer that had also been set on fire. At another he took the T-shirt he was wearing and wrapped it around his face.

Self-professed boogaloo-boi Ryan Balch, who was there that night, testified that Rosenbaum had threatened to ‘kill one of you mother-f*****s if I get you alone,’ within earshot of Rittenhouse.

Video footage appeared to show what witness testimony stated which was that Rosenbaum chased Rittenhouse down and ‘ambushed him.’ He threw his plastic bag at the teen,’ cornering’ him between parked cars before the teen turned and shot as ‘lunged for the muzzle of his gun.’

Rosenbaum was shot four times – one in the pelvis, once in the hand, once to the head in a grazing shot and once in the back as he fell - the so-called ‘kill shot.’

Anthony Huber, the Criminal scumbag who hit Kyle with a Skateboard
26, was the only man of the four who claimed to be a personal friend of Jacob Blake, the black man whose police shooting sparked the BLM protests and nights of riots.
In court the prosecution attempted to paint him ‘the kind of person who would rush into danger’ to protect others. But their efforts were quickly shut down by the defense threat to expose his violent criminal history should they do so.
Huber’s criminal history included arming himself with a butcher’s knife and threatening to ‘gut him like a pig,’ before burning down his family home, ‘with all you f****** in it.’
The jury was not present to hear the alarming details of Huber’s violent outburst that saw him grab his brother by the neck and put a knife to his stomach and ear. On another occasion he kicked his sister in her right hip, causing her pain and to fall.
Instead, they heard brief testimony from his great-aunt Sarah Hughes who spoke only of him in glowing terms and recalled how he carried his skateboard everywhere.
On the night of August 25, 2020, he used that skateboard as a ‘deadly weapon,’ swinging at Rittenhouse’s head with it twice before grabbing for his gun and being shot in the chest at close range.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10217197/Jump-kick-man-filmed
-kicking-Kyle-Rittenhouse-head-revealed.html


Gaige Grosskreutz, 28, ‘sole survivor’ and the state’s ‘star witness,’ was portrayed as a selfless paramedic there that night to provide non-partisan medical aid.
In truth he is a convicted felon and career criminal whose most recent charge – a second time DUI – was dismissed just six days before he took the stand.
Grosskreutz has a laundry list of prior offences, many of them violent. On one occasion he slapped his own grandmother, damaging the drywall in her home by flinging a lamp at it. Among his many offenses he has been convicted of felony burglary, prowling and destruction of property.

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Judge bans PMSNBC, NBC from courthouse.




Whatever happened to truthful, investigative reporting? It's all opinion, accusation, and spin.






Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:



Yup. MSNBC "journalist" should be in prison along with George Floyd's nephew for intimidating the jury.

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https://www.zerohedge.com/political/msnbc-banned-rittenhouse-trial-aft
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MSNBC Banned From Rittenhouse Trial After Employee Follows Jury Bus; Network 'Regrets' Incident

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Friday, November 19, 2021 8:51 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by JAYNEZTOWN:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Yup. MSNBC "journalist" should be in prison along with George Floyd's nephew for intimidating the jury.



https://www.zerohedge.com/political/msnbc-banned-rittenhouse-trial-aft
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MSNBC Banned From Rittenhouse Trial After Employee Follows Jury Bus; Network 'Regrets' Incident



They regret NOTHING.

Because they're NEVER held accountable for any of the terrible shit they do on a daily basis.

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