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Some Covid-19 thoughts
Thursday, August 19, 2021 10:41 AM
DREAMTROVE
Thursday, August 19, 2021 2:48 PM
SECOND
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two
Thursday, August 19, 2021 3:55 PM
6IXSTRINGJACK
Saturday, August 21, 2021 7:45 AM
Saturday, August 21, 2021 7:52 AM
Saturday, August 21, 2021 8:47 AM
Saturday, August 21, 2021 10:48 AM
Quote:Originally posted by second: Trump's Covid politics are everywhere
Saturday, August 21, 2021 10:51 AM
Quote:Originally posted by second: It’s true that the vaccination rate of Black Americans lags — about 44 percent among eligible Texans compared with 53 percent for white people.
Monday, August 23, 2021 8:57 AM
THG
Monday, August 23, 2021 11:12 AM
Monday, August 23, 2021 11:15 AM
Quote:Originally posted by THG: Entire Texas town essentially closes due to Covid-19 cases From the front lawn of her friend's house, Vicky Zapata went live on Facebook recently and burst into tears, praying. "We ask you God, that you heal our town, Father, from this disease," Zapata said in the livestream. Inside the house, looking out through the glass front door, was her friend Carla Balderas, who was quarantined due to Covid-19, along with her 9-year-old son Reinaldo. Missing was Carla's husband Sammy. He was in the local hospital, fighting coronavirus. https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/entire-texas-town-essentially-closes-due-to-covid-19-cases/ar-AAND8jP?ocid=msedgntp
Monday, August 23, 2021 11:21 AM
Quote:Let’s stop pretending that vaccinated people are far less likely to spread SARS-CoV-2.
Monday, August 23, 2021 6:07 PM
JO753
rezident owtsidr
Monday, August 23, 2021 6:34 PM
Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: Fake news.
Monday, August 23, 2021 9:57 PM
Monday, August 23, 2021 10:34 PM
Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: Shitbag Biden* coming out and telling business owners they need to mandate vaccinations now. Now I have even less of a reason to work than I did before.
Tuesday, August 24, 2021 8:58 AM
Tuesday, August 24, 2021 9:04 AM
Tuesday, August 24, 2021 6:51 PM
Tuesday, August 24, 2021 8:10 PM
Quote:Originally posted by DREAMTROVE: There is no vaccine, only a bioweapon.
Wednesday, August 25, 2021 9:35 AM
Wednesday, August 25, 2021 11:25 AM
Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: It occurs to me that the FDA has taken the nuclear option here by approving the Pfizer vaccination faster than it has ever approved any vaccination in it's history. If this goes south now, they've just destroyed their reputation for at least a generation or two and nobody will ever believe anything they say. -------------------------------------------------- Vaccinated People: "You need to get muh vaccination shots that don't work because I got muh vaccination shots that don't work and I'm afraid of people that didn't get muh vaccination shots that don't work because muh vaccination shots that don't work don't work."
Thursday, August 26, 2021 8:25 AM
SIGNYM
I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.
Quote: Authored by Philipp Bagus via The Mises Institute, Pressure on the unvaccinated grows. While the vaccinated in some countries are getting back some of their freedoms taken away by the covid interventions, the unvaccinated are not so well off. They are being targeted for discrimination. Access to public spaces and traveling is being made more difficult for them. In some countries there is even mandatory vaccination for some professions. But why is the vaccination campaign so important to governments that they are increasing the pressure to such an extent? And who has an interest in the global vaccination campaign? To answer these questions, it is necessary to analyze the prevalent vaccination narrative and ask who benefits from it. In doing so, the alliance of interests between the state, the media, the pharmaceutical industry, and supranational institutions must be addressed. Let us start with the pharmaceutical industry. It has an obvious economic interest in the vaccination campaign. It makes enormous profits from widespread vaccination. What about the state? In the covid-19 crisis, politicians have systematically amplified fear and hysteria. This was no accident and is unsurprising, for the state builds its raison d'être on the argument that it protects the population from internal and external dangers. The state is built upon fear. The narrative is that without the help of the state, the citizen would be defenseless against hunger, poverty, accidents, war, terrorism, disease, natural disasters, and pandemics. It is, therefore, in the state's interest to instill fear of possible dangers, which it then pretends to resolve, expanding its power in the process. A relatively recent example is the restriction of civil liberties in the US in response to the threat of terrorism after the 9-11 attacks and the second Iraq war. Similarly, it was in the interest of governments to purposefully instill fear and portray covid-19 as a unique killer virus in order to expand state power to an extent unknown in peacetime at the expense of citizens' fundamental rights. When the corona crisis started and not much was known about the virus's potential danger politicians were faced with an asymmetric payoff. If politicians underestimate a danger and do not react, they are held responsible for the underestimation. They lose elections and power. Especially if they can be blamed for deaths. Photos of mass burials aside, the consequences of underestimating danger and failing to act are politically fatal. In contrast, overestimating the danger and taking decisive action are politically much more attractive. If it really is an unprecedented threat, politicians are celebrated for their tough measures such as lockdowns. And politicians can always argue that without their decisive action, there would indeed have been a disaster. If the measures ultimately turn out to have been exaggerated because the hazard was not so great after all, the possible negative consequences of the measures are not as directly associated with the politicians as the photos of mass burials, because these consequences are more indirect and long term. The indirect and long-term health costs of lockdowns include suicides, depression, alcoholism, stress-related illnesses, earlier deaths from canceled surgeries and screenings, and a generally lower standard of living. However, these costs are not directly associated with the drastic interventions and blamed on the policy. Many of these consequences will occur after the next elections or even later and are not visible. For instance, we cannot observe to what extent a higher standard of living would have increased life expectancy. And if someone dies six years from now from alcoholism or depression developed in the wake of lockdowns, most people probably will not make the lockdown politicians responsible, and if they do, these politicians will possibly already be out of office. Thus, it is in the interest of politicians to overestimate a threat and overreact. In order to justify and defend the harsh measures such as lockdowns that are so attractive to politicians, it is necessary to stir up fear. When politicians stoked fear and hysteria during the covid-19 crisis, implementing highly restrictive measures such as lockdowns, the damage to the economy and social fabric was immense. Yet a society cannot be cannot be locked down forever, as the costs keep rising. At some point, it must exit lockdown and return to some normality. However, how can one at the same time stir up fear of the threat of a killer virus and return to normalcy? The way out is vaccination. With to the vaccination campaign the state can stage itself as the savior from the great danger. The state organizes vaccination for its citizens and gives the vaccinations to the citizens for "free." Without this "vaccination rescue" and in a permanent lockdown, the negative economic and social consequences of the restrictions on civil rights would be so great that resentment among the population would continue to grow and ultimately unrest would threaten. So, sooner or later, the lockdown must be ended. If, however, the state authorities were to back out of the lockdowns and restrictions without further explanation and imply that the danger was not so great after all and that the restrictions were an exaggeration and a mistake, they would lose a great deal of support and trust among the population. Consequently, from a governmental perspective, a good and face-saving "exit scenario" from the most severe restrictions is needed, and the vaccination campaign provides it. Through state-provided vaccination, the state can continue to hold on to the narrative of the great threat and still get out of the lockdown. At the same time, it can pass itself off as a savior that is making somewhat more normality possibly through vaccination. To do this, it is necessary that as large a proportion of the population as possible also get vaccinated, because if only a fraction of the population gets vaccinated, the vaccination campaign cannot be sold as a necessary step toward opening up. Thus, it is in the state's interest to get a major part of the population vaccinated. If this strategy works, the state will have set a precedent, expanded its power, and also made citizens more dependent. Citizens will believe that the state has rescued them from a mortal predicament and that they will need its help in the future. In return, they will be willing to give up some of their liberties permanently. The announcement that a state-organized annual vaccination booster is needed will perpetuate the citizens' dependence. The mass media have fallen in line and actively support the vaccination narrative. The state and mass media are closely linked. Framing by the leading media and targeting the population have a long tradition. Already in 1928 Edward Bernays advocated the intelligent manipulation of the masses in his classic book Propaganda. In modern states, the mass media help to construct popular approval for political measures such as in the case of covid-19. The mass media's support of the state is due to several reasons. Some media are directly owned by the state, others are highly regulated or require state licenses. Furthermore, media houses are staffed with graduates from state educational institutions. In addition, especially in times of crisis, a good connection to the government offers advantages and privileged access to information. The willingness to carry the state's fear narrative also comes from the fact that negative news and the exaggeration of dangers bring attention. In the corona crisis, the one-sided media coverage that proliferated through social media and muted critical voices contributed to fear and panic and created great psychological stress among the population. However, it is not only negative news that is attractive to the media; the narrative of the state rescuing the population from a major crisis also sells well. Thus, the vaccination narrative plays into the hands of the mass media. In addition to nation-states, the media, and pharmaceutical companies, supranational organizations also have an interest in ensuring that the world's population is vaccinated. Supranational organizations are actively pursuing an agenda in which global vaccination campaigns play an important role. These organizations include the World Economic Forum (WEF), the United Nations (UN), the EU, the International Monetary Fund (IMF), and the World Health Organization (WHO), which are closely interconnected. Some of these organizations have set as their goal a great reset, or a great transformation. In the areas of pandemic and climate protection, gender, migration, and the financial system, these organizations want to find coordinated answers for the benefit of all people worldwide. They emphasize shared responsibility and global solidarity. The central control of vaccination, climate change, and financial and migration flows bears the hallmarks of a new world order. For example, the theme of the 2019 annual meeting of the WEF was "Globalization 4.0: Shaping a New Global Architecture in the Age of the Fourth Industrial Revolution." Another example of supranational planning is the UN's "Global Compact for Migration." At the national level, these radical ideas are supported, as shown by the German Advisory Council on Global Change's Welt im Wandel – Gesellschaftsvertrag für eine Große Transformation (World in transition: Social contract for a great transformation) policy paper. Raymond Unger (2021, pp. 84–89) sees this drive for supranational planning as part of a culture war envisioned by Antonio Gramsci and Herbert Marcuse. A global management of opinion and outrage is combined with scenes of fear and horror, especially in the fields of climate change and corona, to establish a new socialist world order. In fact, the WHO, the IMF, and the UN are led by former communists. The WEF is financed by global companies, including the pharmaceutical industry and the big tech companies. The WEF, for its part, significantly finances the UN's 2030 Agenda. The WHO is also significantly funded by pharmaceutical companies and the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation, which spearheads global vaccination campaigns. During the covid-19 crisis, the pharmaceutical industry also exerted its influence on the WHO. And the IMF only aided nation-states if they complied with WHO recommendations. These interconnected supranational organizations see the covid-19 crisis as an opportunity to advance their agendas. The UN policy paper Shared Responsibility, Global Solidarity: Responding to the Socio-economic Impacts of COVID-19 views covid-19 as a turning point for modern society. The intention is to seize the opportunity and act in a globally coordinated manner. The major tech companies support these agendas. They are also members of the WEF and censored disagreeable information related to covid-19 on their platforms (Twitter, YouTube, and Facebook), just like the mass media. Videos critical of vaccination are particularly quickly deleted on YouTube. The title of a keynote speech by IMF director Kristalina Georgieva, "From Great Lockdown to Great Transformation" also underscores the idea that supranational organizations want to use the corona crisis for their agendas. Klaus Schwab, founder of the WEF, argues that the covid-19 crisis represents a "rare opportunity" to "lay new foundations for our economic and social systems." In COVID-19: The Great Reset, coauthored with Thierry Malleret, Schwab speaks of a defining moment and claims a new world will emerge. According to Schwab, it is time for a fundamental reform of capitalism. Thus, the globally coordinated vaccination program can be interpreted as a building block in a supranational strategy of a great reset. Global vaccination structures are being established that can be used for subsequent global vaccination campaigns. From the perspective of advocates of a great reset, globally coordinated covid-19 vaccination underscores the need for global structures and organizations that can then be used for other global purposes, such as effectively combating "climate change" and pushing for a great reset. In short, the state, the media, the pharmaceutical industry, and supranational organizations are closely intertwined and have a common interest in the vaccination narrative. From this perspective, the mounting pressure on the vaccine-free is unsurprising.
Thursday, August 26, 2021 9:22 AM
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Thursday, August 26, 2021 12:45 PM
1KIKI
Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: I found an interesting article that explains the government pressure for vaccines, and it doesn't have to do with any depopulation agenda. It's so simple I kind of smacked my forehead because I shoulda seen it. ...
Friday, August 27, 2021 8:05 AM
Friday, August 27, 2021 11:34 AM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: I found an interesting article that explains the government pressure for vaccines, and it doesn't have to do with any depopulation agenda. It's so simple I kind of smacked my forehead because I shoulda seen it. ... KIKI: Well, there was a technical difficulty in ending COVID-19 restrictions. And that was that before vaccinations, whenever countries would lift restrictions, cases and deaths would rise. And it's not JUST the elderly at risk - it's anyone with risk factors. For example, in this latest 'delta' pulse in the US, deaths rose by the same proportion as cases, even in a country where most of the elderly were vaccinated. And there was no 'youth' discount. Not to say I'm for mandatory vaccines or 'vax passports'. I'm just saying that at the population level, not having a lot of people vaccinated has consequences for society overall, not just the individuals who are deciding.
Quote: Israeli Study Shows Natural Immunity 13x More Effective Than Vaccines At Stopping Delta Friday, Aug 27, 2021 - 07:39 AM ... a new study out of Israel suggests [that]: natural infection offers a much better shield against the delta variant than vaccines. The study was described by Bloomberg as "the largest real-world analysis comparing natural immunity - gained from an earlier infection - to the protection provided by one of the most potent vaccines currently in use." (Pfizer/BNT mRNA used is Israel). ... the study showed that the vaccinated were ultimately 13x as likely to be infected as those who were infected previously, and 27x more likely to be symptomatic.
Quote: Here's an excerpt from a report by Science Magazine: The new analysis relies on the database of Maccabi Healthcare Services, which enrolls about 2.5 million Israelis. The study, led by Tal Patalon and Sivan Gazit at KSM, the system’s research and innovation arm, found in two analyses that people who were vaccinated in January and February were, in June, July, and the first half of August, six to 13 times more likely to get infected than unvaccinated people who were previously infected with the coronavirus. In one analysis, comparing more than 32,000 people in the health system, the risk of developing symptomatic COVID-19 was 27 times higher among the vaccinated, and the risk of hospitalization eight times higher. This time, the data leave little doubt that natural infection truly is the better option for protection against the delta variant, despite the fact that the US won't acknowledge the already infected as having antibodies protecting them from the virus. At the very least, the results of the study are good news for patients who have already successfully battled COVID but show the challenge of relying exclusively on immunizations to move past the pandemic. "This analysis demonstrated that natural immunity affords longer lasting and stronger protection against infection, symptomatic disease and hospitalization due to the delta variant," the researchers said. Unfortunately, the study also showed that any protection is time-limited. Protection offered by natural infection wanes over time, just like the protection afforded by vaccines: The risk of a vaccine-breakthrough delta case was 13x higher than the risk of developing a second infection when the original illness occurred during January or February 2021. That's significantly more than the risk for people who were ill earlier in the outbreak. What's more, giving a single shot of the vaccine to those who had been previously infected also appeared to boost their protection. Still, the data don't tell us anything about the long-term benefits of booster doses.
Friday, August 27, 2021 12:43 PM
Friday, August 27, 2021 1:49 PM
Friday, August 27, 2021 3:48 PM
Friday, August 27, 2021 3:58 PM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: Well, see, this is where my responsibility/authority equation comes into play: If you claim the authority for what you do with your body, then you must also have the responsibility for what comes after. If there are long-term sequelae to having had Covid-19 and someone cannot show tht they've been vaccinated, then they shouldn't be covered for those conditions using tax dollars/charity care. And if they pay for medical insurance, then their premiums should go up accordingly. It's like I think that smokers and the obese should pay higher premiums, and motorcycle riders without helmets and passengers without seatbelts shouldn't be covered for trauma care after an accident, and sky divers and other extreme-sports enthusiasts should have special (expen$ive) insurance to cover the cost of their hobbies injuring them. People who act stupid shouldn't expect society to bail them out. ----------- Pity would be no more, If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake
Friday, August 27, 2021 5:09 PM
Quote:Originally posted by DREAMTROVE: Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: Well, see, this is where my responsibility/authority equation comes into play: If you claim the authority for what you do with your body, then you must also have the responsibility for what comes after. If there are long-term sequelae to having had Covid-19 and someone cannot show tht they've been vaccinated, then they shouldn't be covered for those conditions using tax dollars/charity care. And if they pay for medical insurance, then their premiums should go up accordingly. It's like I think that smokers and the obese should pay higher premiums, and motorcycle riders without helmets and passengers without seatbelts shouldn't be covered for trauma care after an accident, and sky divers and other extreme-sports enthusiasts should have special (expen$ive) insurance to cover the cost of their hobbies injuring them. People who act stupid shouldn't expect society to bail them out. ----------- Pity would be no more, If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake This post makes a dubious assumption that there is a preventative connection between injecting yourself with a "vaccine" branded product which is legally not a vaccine and the reduced chances of getting a wild type coronavirus. Since all coronavirus outbreaks appear to originate from the vaccinated, and spread to the other vaccinated preferentially, there is no basis for this assumption other than corporate say so. If you want, you can continually live in corporations never live fantasyland, but the taxpayer shouldn't have to bail you out for doing so
Friday, August 27, 2021 7:05 PM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: Whatever. I hope you feel better in a three weeks, tho. That seems to be about as long as Covid-19 lasts for people with pre-existing conditions and/or the elderly. Don't expect miracles, it takes time. ----------- Pity would be no more, If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake
Friday, August 27, 2021 8:12 PM
Friday, August 27, 2021 8:21 PM
Friday, August 27, 2021 8:42 PM
Quote:Anyway, those numbers look like a healthy individual, but then if I sit up in a chair I start to sweat, if i try to carry anything heavy I collapse. Sometimes there's a strong pulse change associated with these difficulties, but sometimes there is not. Which would make me thing that the pulse is not the primary obstacle, but rather that something else is, and the body responds by increasing pulse in an attempt to overcome the obstacle, but it doesn't work.
Friday, August 27, 2021 8:56 PM
Quote:Originally posted by 1KIKI: Yeah Signy, I wasn't going to dispute DT b/c, as you've seen plenty of times already, once someone gets an idée fixe they never change it. It's like arguing about religion.
Friday, August 27, 2021 9:04 PM
Quote:Originally posted by 1KIKI: DT, but you were NOT vaccinated - and you caught COVID-19, and you spread it. That kinda' puts a hole in your theory that only vaxed people catch it and spread it.
Quote: There are several mechanisms by which the heart and the CVS compensate for sitting or standing up: increased heart rate increased heart contraction force (contractility) increased stroke volume but also, 'sympathtic' nervous system narrowing of blood vessels in the abdomen to stop blood from pooling there - pooling of blood in CVS space lower than the heart means that blood doesn't return to the heart, which means it can't be pumped out. The blood pooling and lack of return to the heart drives the heart rate up, as the heart tries to compensate for the lack of blood volume it's receiving. I'd pinpoint the problem as the lack of an angiotensin signal in the abdominal CVS system due to COVID-19, because the virus targets cells with those ACE-2 receptors.
Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: You'll be fine dude. Nobody dies of Covid.
Saturday, August 28, 2021 3:42 AM
Saturday, August 28, 2021 4:06 AM
Saturday, August 28, 2021 4:11 AM
Saturday, August 28, 2021 12:20 PM
Saturday, August 28, 2021 1:11 PM
Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: Fuck your vaccine. Come and give it to me Second.
Saturday, August 28, 2021 1:29 PM
Quote:Originally posted by second: Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: Fuck your vaccine. I was talking to the widow of an un-vaccinated Trumptard.
Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: Fuck your vaccine.
Saturday, August 28, 2021 1:46 PM
Quote:Originally posted by dreamtrove: This is fanfic
Quote:Originally posted by dreamtrove: 1kiki/sig you used this on me before many years ago Did we clear up what your relationship is to signym? I mean, it would be easier if I knew, and I apologize if I just missed it before. Like 1kiki is daughter of signym, or lesbian lover of, mentor or, student of, or alternate personality of. your use of language is too similar to be no relation, there's a connection there. Anyway, it's not applicable to me here, nor was it then, it's a cop out, to try to paint me as a religious follower of an idea, rather than as a person who knows more than you about a particular topic I get you're not ignorant about it, but you're not getting it. The evidence here is a lot greater and more persuasive that this is a scam than the mainstream media links claiming their own product is not a scam. That's not backup, it's advertising.
Saturday, August 28, 2021 7:39 PM
Saturday, August 28, 2021 8:24 PM
Quote:Originally posted by second: Bizarre Lazar @BizarreLazar tweeted: Tiktok just banned the milk crate challenge because people were getting seriously injured. They however will still allow you to spew Covid denial and antivaxxer propaganda because that only kills people. 6:34 PM · Aug 27, 2021·Twitter for iPhone https://twitter.com/BizarreLazar/status/1431399736213311492 TikTok bans 'milk crate challenge' from its app, citing concerns over dangerous acts https://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/2021/08/27/tiktok-bans-milk-crate-challenge/5618315001/ The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two
Saturday, August 28, 2021 9:17 PM
Quote:Originally posted by dreamtrove: Quote:Originally posted by second: Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: Fuck your vaccine. I was talking to the widow of an un-vaccinated Trumptard. This is fanfic
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