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Originally posted by JAYNEZTOWN:
Biden keeps low public profile as more territory falls to Taliban in Afghanistan
https://www.yahoo.com/gma/biden-keeps-low-public-profile-170800062.htm
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Trump blasts the 'tragic mess' Biden has left in Afghanistan as US embassy staff pack up, prepare to destroy papers and computers
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9891193/Trump-blasts-tragic-m
ess-Biden-left-Afghanistan-embassy-staff-pack-up.html

Biden faces mounting criticism as Taliban advances
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/live/2021/aug/13/joe-biden-taliban
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The Taliban Now Controls Over Two Thirds of Afghanistan as Biden Pulls Out
https://floridianpress.com/2021/08/taliban-now-controls-over-two-third
s-of-afghanistan-as-biden-pulls-out/

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Originally posted by 1KIKI:

The US isn't entirely out of Afghanistan. There is still plenty of bombing and covert ops going on. I do wonder how the CIA self-funding heroin business is going on tho. My sense is that despite all appearances, that will carry on as per usual (unless they've largely supplanted that trade with other drugs in other countries and no longer need the Golden Triangle).

Joe* is trying to negotiate with other countries to carry the white man's burden. I guess we'll see just how vital other countries think Afghanistan is to their own welfare.


OH ... yeah. This'll be a good opportunity to see how quickly Afghanistan disappears from the news*. The more we read about how the those poor people are suffering because of US laziness and perfidy, the more it'll appear that the Deep State is still running the Afghanistan War show.

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Originally posted by 1KIKI:

Despite your claim to Afghani's laziness and perfidy being at the root of their suffering - they were doing just fine until the US decided to fund the Taliban in the 80's. Because ... RUSSIA!!! RUSSIA!!! RUSSIA!!! And then there was the CIA-funded drug trade which put a LOT of money - and weapons - into the hands of the warlords and Taliban, against which common people had no defense.

The obscene volume of money funding the drug trade is unstoppable.

And just to put this back OT: "A thread for Democrats Only" - these policies were pursued vigorously by democrats*.

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Like Vietnam all over again.

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Originally posted by second:
But guess what? The skeptics were right.

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The Taliban seize last major city outside of Afghanistan's capital

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The POTUS decides to be a chicken, pulls out of Afghanistan
https://forums.civfanatics.com/threads/the-potus-decides-to-be-a-chick
en-pulls-out-of-afghanistan.669399/

Old Armchair roleplay speculation?
https://forums.spacebattles.com/threads/payday-cops-vs-taliban.318943/
India
https://defenceforumindia.com/threads/india-in-afghanistan-regional-di
plomacy-and-interests-after-us-withdrawal.82850/page-36
Pak military, Taliban unite against India
https://www.ar15.com/forums/general/Pak_military__Taliban_unite_agains
t_India/155-806607/

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Originally posted by JAYNEZTOWN:
Did this war have any real objective?

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Originally posted by JAYNEZTOWN:
Did this war have any real objective?

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This being modern American politics, there is of course a Trump angle. Axios reports: “West Wing officials reject the notion that they could keep Afghanistan stable indefinitely with a small force of around 3,000 that they inherited from Trump. The Biden team’s line is that the only reason the Taliban wasn’t killing Americans last year was because Trump had agreed to leave on May 1 this year. When that deadline passed, they contend, there would be no way to guarantee peace and stability with such a small force.”

Most everything in the world can be blamed (or partially blamed) on former President Trump. We know this from watching MSNBC. But this one is all Biden. What Trump left behind could have been undone with the stroke of a presidential pen. The idea that Trump made them do it is risible.

And just for the record, what Trump left behind was not 3000 US personnel in Afghanistan. That’s not how it works. If you include everyone in (just) the special operations “network,” including the locals, logistics, coordinators, intelligence analysts and air support, the numbers (at least) quintuple. We were spending a lot of money in Afghanistan and spreading it around. It was effective. We had eyes and ears everywhere. (And by the way, NATO is evacuating 8000+ personnel).

When President Biden first announced that the US would be “leaving” Afghanistan, he set September 11, 2021 as the date when every last one of our people would be out. The announcement was greeted with astonished disbelief around the world. Could it really be possible that the US would officially hand over Afghanistan to the people who made it possible for Al Qaeda to attack it 20 years ago………on the very day of that attack?

The answer was “yes,” although the Administration subsequently tried to walk it back without bringing attention to the fact that they were trying to walk it back.

Remarkably, the American press gave the president a pass on this, which seems to be its default setting when it comes to the Biden administration. “Trump was so much worse,” is the always-applicable rationale.

Not in this case. Not by a long shot.

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Les filles de 12 ans et plus sont emmenées pour être donner en mariage aux soldats taliban
La charria a commencé et les jeunes filles comme les femmes vont vivre la terreur de ces barbares

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Originally posted by second:
In the decade that followed, three more deployments in America’s longest war scoured away that lucky feeling.

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Originally posted by whozit:
We spent years there, it's falling apart in days.

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The fall of Kabul, also called the siege or surrender of Kabul,[8] is the near-culmination of the 2021 Taliban offensive in the war in Afghanistan, which began in 2001. It reached a climax on 15 August 2021, when Taliban forces entered the capital city of Kabul, hours after President Ashraf Ghani fled the country and abandoned the Afghan government. One-by-one, the provincial capitals of Afghanistan had fallen in midst of a U.S. troop withdrawal to be completed by the end of August.

Tense negotiations are ongoing between a Taliban delegation and Afghan officials.A peaceful transfer of power has been requested by the Taliban, and the government has declared its willingness to abide. However, the government has requested that power be transferred to a transitional government, while the Taliban desires a complete transfer of power. NATO forces still maintained a presence in Kabul as well.

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'Saigon nightmares returning'

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Britain says Taliban should not be recognised as Afghan government

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
It really is like Vietnam all over again: Scenes of people clining to helicopters taking off of the Embassy roof in Saigon.


Another feckless pointless war.

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Originally posted by 1KIKI:

Obviously the MIC/ spook-state was running foreign policy in Afghanistan and kept the war going for all these years for reason of its own (just like it was running foreign policy in Vietnam then and Syria now).

So my question is - are we out of Afghanistan like we were out of Vietnam? Or out of Afghanistan like we were out of Syria?

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The mass evacuations and chaos at Kabul's central airport, now under the control of the U.S. military, continued into Monday with at least five people killed in the turmoil. Meanwhile, the Taliban say they're collecting civilians' personal weapons because they'll no longer need them. Matthew Larotonda reports.

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Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
Putin must be laughing his muscular buttocks off over this American calamity. Just a question now of how many thousands of people are the taliban gonna kill in the next few months. 10,000? 50,000? 100,000?

There hasn't been a US combat death there in 13 months. So why the chaotic clusterfuck of a withdrawl now, during the so-called fighting season? Dumbfuck Biden could not have made it any easier for these child rapists and genital mutilators to just waltz right on in.

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Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
Putin must be laughing his muscular buttocks off over this American calamity. Just a question now of how many thousands of people are the taliban gonna kill in the next few months. 10,000? 50,000? 100,000?

There hasn't been a US combat death there in 13 months. So why the chaotic clusterfuck of a withdrawl now, during the so-called fighting season? Dumbfuck Biden could not have made it any easier for these child rapists and genital mutilators to just waltz right on in.

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Let's see the 1st World Leftist Feminazis come to their defense this time now that we're going to see the depravity that these people and their filthy "religion" are capable of.

P.S. All the European countries that let these degenerates into their space be like "oh shit".

That's on you, Merkel. You piece of shit.

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Vaccinated People: "You need to get muh vaccination shots that don't work because I got muh vaccination shots that don't work and I'm afraid of people that didn't get muh vaccination shots that don't work because muh vaccination shots that don't work don't work."

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Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
Putin must be laughing his muscular buttocks off over this American calamity. Just a question now of how many thousands of people are the taliban gonna kill in the next few months. 10,000? 50,000? 100,000?

There hasn't been a US combat death there in 13 months. So why the chaotic clusterfuck of a withdrawl now, during the so-called fighting season? Dumbfuck Biden could not have made it any easier for these child rapists and genital mutilators to just waltz right on in.

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Let's see the 1st World Leftist Feminazis come to their defense this time now that we're going to see the depravity that these people and their filthy "religion" are capable of.

P.S. All the European countries that let these degenerates into their space be like "oh shit".

That's on you, Merkel. You piece of shit.

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Vaccinated People: "You need to get muh vaccination shots that don't work because I got muh vaccination shots that don't work and I'm afraid of people that didn't get muh vaccination shots that don't work because muh vaccination shots that don't work don't work."

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I don't know if we're actually gonna "see" very much of the coming mega-slaughter. And yes, the vile and demented Left will always support senile Joe no matter what he says or does.

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Same with Merkel, and the rest of socialist Europe. They're all enlightened and such, dontcha know? Fuck 'em. They deserve whatever fallout from those animals they get.

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Originally posted by second:
Republicans are blaming Biden, of course. We need to point out that Trump came to power promising to end the war in Afghanistan, and as late as February 2020 sent officials to negotiate with the Taliban. He promised the US would leave Afghanistan by May 1, 2020. The military talked him out of doing that so fully and decisively, but he had made a commitment to it. And in the campaign in the fall 2020, he claimed that Biden was going to continue the war, and he was going to end it.

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
I think that the whole problem with Afghanistan is that the USA backed the wrong horse. TWICE.

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"Panic" As Afghani Crashes After Central Bank Chief Flees, Says No More Dollars Left
Tuesday, Aug 17, 2021 - 10:20 AM

For all the focus on the humanitarian crisis unfolding at an unprecedented pace in Afghanistan, many are forgetting that an even worse economic disaster awaits the "Islamic Emirate" of Afghanistan now that the Taliban are in charge.

One person who saw it coming - in addition to the president of course who promptly fled as soon as the first Taliban batallion entered Kabul - was the now former head of the country's central bank, Ajmal Ahmady - a Harvard MBA - who on Monday tweeted that he had departed Afghanistan (having seen a military jet at the airport before the Taliban took over and "somehow, my close colleagues pushed me on board") although he didn’t say where to. Ahmady said he tried to calm banks and traders (he failed) and in typical fashion slammed the former president, saying Ghani “had great ideas but poor execution,” adding “If I contributed to that, I take my share of the blame.” Said "blame taking" will take place somewhere far away, however.

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US Treasury Freezes Billions In Afghan Reserves, Depriving Taliban Of Cash
Tuesday, Aug 17, 2021 - 12:35 PM

After handing the Taliban US-supplied military hardware on a silver platter thanks to the botched Afghanistan withdrawal, the Biden administration scrambled to deprive the terrorist organization of funding - freezing Afghan government reserves held in US bank accounts, and blocking the Taliban from accessing billions of dollars held in US institutions, according to the Washington Post, citing two people familiar with the matter.

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Indeed.

Well, whatever happens in Afghanistan now depends on how much the Chinese and Russians want to get involved with internal Afghan affairs, which will be - not much, I'm afraid.

If we had been focusing on AMERICAN interests (as in: How does this benefit the average American, if at all) we would never have made such a mess of things.

But we broke it. And they won't fix it for us, so now it's all fucked up.

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Had the United States caught and killed Osama bin Laden in December 2001, the U.S. military presence in Afghanistan would have faded away almost immediately afterward. I cannot prove that. It’s only an opinion from my vantage point as one of President George W. Bush’s speechwriters in 2001 and 2002.

Yet I strongly believe it. The U.S. stayed for 20 years in Afghanistan because first Bush and then his successors got trapped in a pattern of responding to past failures by redoubling future efforts. In the fall of 2001, the U.S. mission in Afghanistan was clear, limited, and achievable: find and kill bin Laden. After bin Laden escaped, that mission escalated into something hazy and impossibly difficult: to rebuild Afghanistan’s society and remodel the Afghan state.

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Originally posted by second:
You don't believe that the US Army went into Afghanistan for one purpose, as I do, for a revenge killing of Osama bin Laden.

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

After 9/11, we should have just turned Mecca to glass and the entire world would be a much better place right now.

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