human actions, global climate change, global human solutions by 1kiki

Once I found Serenity

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Thursday, May 29, 2014 1:30 AM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

Oonj - sorry about that. I was thinking people could pick and choose whatever seemed interesting - like flipping through a magazine. I goofed. Again. Sorry.

OONJERAH - We are too dumb to live and smart enough to wipe ourselves out.

"You, who live in any kind of comfort or convenience, do not know how these people can survive these things, do you? They will endure because there is no immediate escape from endurance. Some will die, the rest must live."

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Thursday, May 29, 2014 3:12 AM

OONJERAH

Kiki, I don't think you goofed at all.
It is simply ironic that an article that explains why the Public doesn't
get Global Warming is itself an article that's hard to understand.
In a way, it doubly illustrates the problem.
SO:
1. People don't want to believe in Climate Change, and who can blame them?
2. Denial of AGW in the media & government was & is very heavily funded.
3. Many of the scientists who know the truth are unable to communicate it.

In a rational world, the opposite would be true.

My bro's home in SF bay area is about 50' above sea level.

In a few years, it'll be beach front -- more valuable!

... oooOO}{OOooo ...

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Thursday, May 29, 2014 7:52 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!

" climate deniers " are winning because more and more people are beginning to realize that AGW is an expensive and silly pile of go-se.

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Thursday, May 29, 2014 9:08 AM

Once I found Serenity

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Thursday, May 29, 2014 9:25 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!

There are absolutely winners here. Insane carbon tax policies that yield zero positive results in lowering co2 or pollution concerns as well as costing us billions or trillions in wasted $ make losers of all of us.

There are better uses of the peoples $ and efforts.

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Thursday, May 29, 2014 9:42 AM

Once I found Serenity

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Thursday, May 29, 2014 12:14 PM

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:
There are absolutely winners here. Insane carbon tax policies that yield zero positive results in lowering co2 or pollution concerns as well as costing us billions or trillions in wasted $ make losers of all of us.

There are better uses of the peoples $ and efforts.

It is expensive but not as bad you think.

Cheap Climate Protection
May 28 3:01 pm http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2014/05/28/cheap-climate-protection/

The U.S. Chamber of Commerce just came out with its preemptive strike against Obama administration regulations on power plants. What the Chamber wanted to do was show that the economic impact of the regulations would be devastating. And I was eager to see how they had fudged the numbers.

But a funny thing happened on the way to the diatribe. The Chamber evidently made a decision that it wanted to preserve credibility, so it outsourced the analysis. And while it tries to spin the results, what it actually found was that dramatic action on greenhouse gases would have surprisingly small economic costs.

The Chamber’s supposed scare headline is that regulations would cost the US economy $50.2 billion per year in constant dollars between now and 2030. That’s for a plan to reduce GHG emissions 40 percent from their 2005 level, so it’s for real action.

So, is $50 billion a lot? Let’s look at the CBO’s long-term projections. These say that average annual US real GDP over the period 2014-2030 will be $21.5 trillion. So the Chamber is telling us that we can achieve major reductions in greenhouse gases at a cost of 0.2 percent of GDP. That’s cheap!

True, the chamber also says that the regulations would cost 224,000 jobs in an average year. That’s bad economics: US employment is determined by the interaction between macroeconomic policy and the underlying tradeoff between inflation and unemployment, and there’s no good reason to think that environmental protection would reduce the number of jobs (as opposed to real wages). But even at face value that’s also a small number in a country with 140 million workers.

So, I was ready to come down hard on the Chamber’s bad economics; but what they’ve actually just shown is that even when they’re paying for the study, the economics of climate protection look quite easy.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Thursday, May 29, 2014 1:16 PM

CHRISISALL

Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:
" climate deniers " are winning because

people LOOOOVE their conspiracy theories.
Like the nonsense of 9-11 being an inside job. It makes the random seem understandable. Hey! Climate change is a conspiracy! We're really safe then! Cool!

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Friday, May 30, 2014 6:13 PM

GEEZER

Keep the Shiny side up

Quote:
Originally posted by second:
That’s for a plan to reduce GHG emissions 40 percent from their 2005 level, so it’s for real action.

U.S. carbon emissions in 2005 were 1.59 billion metric tons (tonnes).

(data from CDIAC: http://cdiac.ornl.gov/trends/emis/meth_reg.html )

With a 40% reduction by 2030, U.S. emissions would be would be .954 billion tonnes - a .636 billion tonne per year reduction.

Meanwhile, China's carbon emissions are increasing by .145 billion tonnes a year (2011 to 2012 figures), so with no change on their part by 2030 they will be producing 2.32 billion tonnes more per year than they are today.

If you look at China's carbon reduction proposals, they are all based on emissions per capita or emissions relating to GDP, not actual reduction (or even much slowdown in increase) of the total amount of emissions.

The "The U.S. can do something about climate change by ourselves." ship has sailed.

"When your heart breaks, you choose what to fill the cracks with. Love or hate. But hate won't ever heal. Only love can do that."

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Friday, May 30, 2014 6:22 PM

CHRISISALL

Quote:
Originally posted by Geezer:

The "The U.S. can do something about climate change by ourselves." ship has sailed.

Gloomy Gus.

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Friday, May 30, 2014 9:53 PM

OONJERAH

Wait! -- did I miss something?
I thought that the USA & China, actually US exceeded by China, were
the last of the dedicated polluters. That most other industrialized
countries are already implementing environmental protection & clean
up. As per the Kyoto Protocol.

No?

... oooOO}{OOooo ...

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Saturday, May 31, 2014 10:19 AM

GEEZER

Keep the Shiny side up

Quote:
Originally posted by Oonjerah:
Wait! -- did I miss something?
I thought that the USA & China, actually US exceeded by China, were
the last of the dedicated polluters. That most other industrialized
countries are already implementing environmental protection & clean
up. As per the Kyoto Protocol.

No?

Look here...

http://cdiac.ornl.gov/CO2_Emission/timeseries/national

...and you can see graphs of carbon emissions increases/decreases by country.

The U.S., Japan, and most European countries have made strides in carbon reduction - some pretty substantial. However, China, India, and developing countries in Africa, Asia, and South America are increasing emissions at a pretty high rate. Check out Indonesia, Brazil, and South Africa, for example.

This is not to say that the U.S. shouldn't try to increase the use of renewable energy or reduce pollution, since those are useful both for local health and the economy, but it's going to take a worldwide effort to reduce total carbon emissions. One that I don't think we're going to get the developing world to buy into.

"When your heart breaks, you choose what to fill the cracks with. Love or hate. But hate won't ever heal. Only love can do that."

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Tuesday, June 3, 2014 10:35 AM

Once I found Serenity

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Sunday, January 10, 2016 1:18 AM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

http://www.rdmag.com/news/2015/08/chinas-carbon-emissions-less-previou
sly-thought?et_cid=4755219&et_rid=366206770&type=headline1%20message

China’s carbon emissions less than previously thought

From 2000 to 2013 China produced 2.9 gigatons less carbon than previous estimates of its cumulative emissions. The findings suggest that overestimates of China's emissions during this period may be larger than China's estimated total forest sink—a natural carbon store—in 1990 to 2007 (2.66 gigatons of carbon) or China's land carbon sink in 2000-2009 (2.6 gigatons of carbon).

Published in Nature, the revised estimates of China's carbon emissions were produced by an international team of researchers, led by Harvard Univ., UEA, the Chinese Academy of Sciences and Tsinghua Univ., in collaboration with 15 other international research institutions.

SAGAN: We are releasing vast quantities of carbon dioxide, increasing the greenhouse effect. It may not take much to destabilize the Earth's climate, to convert this heaven, our only home in the cosmos, into a kind of hell.

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Sunday, March 27, 2016 10:35 PM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

Beyond Record Hot, February Was 'Astronomical' and 'Strange'

www.biosciencetechnology.com/news/2016/03/beyond-record-hot-february-w
as-astronomical-and-strange

Earth got so hot last month that federal scientists struggled to find words, describing temperatures as "astronomical," ''staggering" and "strange." They warned that the climate may have moved into a new and hotter neighborhood.

This was not just another of the drumbeat of 10 straight broken monthly global heat records, triggered by a super El Nino and man-made global warming. February 2016 obliterated old marks by such a margin that it was the most above-normal month since meteorologists started keeping track in 1880, according to the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration.

The old record was set just last December and the last three months have been the most above-normal months on record, said NOAA climate scientist Jessica Blunden. And it's not just NOAA. NASA, which uses different statistical techniques, as well as a University of Alabama Huntsville team and the private Remote Sensing System team, which measure using satellites, also said February 2016 had the biggest departure from normal on record.

NOAA said Earth averaged 56.08 degrees (13.38 degrees Celsius) in February, 2.18 degrees (1.21 degrees Celsius) above average, beating the old record for February set in 2015 by nearly six-tenths of a degree (one-third of a degree Celsius). These were figures that had federal scientists grasping for superlatives.

"The departures are what we would consider astronomical," Blunden said. "It's on land. It's in the oceans. It's in the upper atmosphere. It's in the lower atmosphere. The Arctic had record low sea ice."
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"Everything everywhere is a record this month, except Antarctica," Blunden said. "It's insane."

In the Arctic, where sea ice reached a record low for February, land temperatures averaged 8 degrees above normal (4.5 degrees Celsius), Blunden said. That's after January, when Arctic land temperatures were 10.4 degrees above normal (5.8 degrees Celsius).

Worldwide, February 2016 was warmer than about 125 of the last 136 Marches.

It was also the warmest winter - December through February - on record, beating the previous year's record by more than half a degree (0.29 degrees Celsius).

Georgia Tech climate scientist Kim Cobb said she normally doesn't concern herself much with the new high temperature records that are broken regularly.

"However," she added in a Thursday email," when I look at the new February 2016 temperatures, I feel like I'm looking at something out of a sci-fi movie. In a way we are: it's like someone plucked a value off a graph from 2030 and stuck it on a graph of present temperatures. It is a portent of things to come, and it is sobering that such temperature extremes are already on our doorstep."

Scientists at NOAA's National Centers for Environmental Information in Asheville, North Carolina, were astonished by the "staggering" numbers, said Deke Arndt, the centers' global monitoring chief.

"Usually these are monthly reminders that things are changing," Arndt said. "The last six months have been more than a reminder, it's been like a punch in the nose."

NASA's chief climate scientist Gavin Schmidt usually discounts the importance of individual record hot months, but said this month was different, calling it "obviously strange."

This was due to the long-term warming from heat-trapping gases and the powerful El Nino, so these types of records will continue for a few more months, but probably will not be a permanent situation, Schmidt said in an email.

But other were not so sure, including Arndt, who compared it to moving into a new hotter neighborhood.

"We are in a new era," Arndt said. "We have started a new piece of modern history for this climate."

Jason Furtado, a meteorology professor at the University of Oklahoma who wasn't part of any of the government teams, simply wrote in an email: "Welcome to the new normal."

Source: Associated Press
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Tuesday, January 5, 2021 6:38 PM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

Given the data on significantly warming oceans, warming land and air, glacier retreat and melting, massive coral-reef die-off, and severe fires around the globe (Indonesia, Australia, Basil, and western North America), global warming is already in progress.

A new study indicates we can't reverse global warming and we WILL exceed the limits we think are tolerable - but we can put it off for centuries, if we act now.

New study

Quote:
Study: Warming already baked in will blow past climate goals

The amount of baked-in global warming, from carbon pollution already in the air, is enough to blow past international agreed upon goals to limit climate change, a new study finds.

But it’s not game over because, while that amount of warming may be inevitable, it can be delayed for centuries if the world quickly stops emitting extra greenhouse gases from the burning of coal, oil and natural gas, the study’s authors say.

For decades, scientists have talked about so-called “committed warming” or the increase in future temperature based on past carbon dioxide emissions that stay in the atmosphere for well over a century. It’s like the distance a speeding car travels after the brakes are applied.

But Monday’s study in the journal Nature Climate Change calculates that a bit differently and now figures the carbon pollution already put in the air will push global temperatures to about 2.3 degrees Celsius (4.1 degrees Fahrenheit) of warming since pre-industrial times.

Previous estimates, including those accepted by international science panels, were about a degree Celsius (1.8 degrees Fahrenheit) less than that amount of committed warming.

International climate agreements set goals of limiting warming to 2 degrees Celsius (3.6 degrees Fahrenheit) since pre-industrial times, with the more ambitious goal of limiting it to 1.5 degrees Celsius (2.7 degrees Fahrenheit) added in Paris in 2015. The world has already warmed about 1.1 degrees Celsius (2 degrees Fahrenheit).

“You’ve got some ... global warming inertia that’s going to cause the climate system to keep warming, and that’s essentially what we’re calculating,” said study co-author Andrew Dessler, a climate scientist at Texas A&M University. “Think about the climate system like the Titanic. It’s hard to turn the ship when you see the icebergs.”

Dessler and colleagues at the Lawrence Livermore National Lab and Nanjing University in China calculated committed warming to take into account that the world has warmed at different rates in different places and that places that haven’t warmed as fast are destined to catch up.

Places such as the Southern Ocean, surrounding Antarctica are a bit cooler, and that difference creates low-lying clouds that reflect more sun away from earth, keeping these places cooler. But this situation can’t keep going indefinitely because physics dictates that cooler locations will warm up more and when they do, the clouds will dwindle and more heating will occur, Dessler said.

Previous studies were based on the cooler spots staying that way, but Dessler and colleagues say that’s not likely.

https://apnews.com/article/climate-climate-change-pollution-3f226aed9c
58e36c69e7342b104d48bf

read the rest of the article at the link

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Friday, July 2, 2021 5:27 AM

JAYNEZTOWN

Surface temperatures in Siberia heat up to a mind-boggling 118 degrees
https://www.cnet.com/news/surface-temperatures-in-siberia-heat-up-to-a
-mind-boggling-118-degrees/

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Friday, July 2, 2021 6:52 AM

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

The Republican Party is still playing the same game as always
The GOP platform:

The Democratic Party’s energy policy can be summed up in a slogan currently popular among its activists: “keep it in the ground.” Keeping energy in the earth will keep jobs out of reach of those who need them most. For low-income Americans, expensive energy means colder homes in the winter and hotter homes in the summer, less mobility in employment, and higher food prices. The current Administration, and particularly its EPA, seems not to care. Its Clean Power Plan — the centerpiece of the President’s war on coal — has been stayed by the Supreme Court. We will do away with it altogether. The Democratic Party does not understand that coal is an abundant, clean, affordable, reliable domestic energy resource. Those who mine it and their families should be protected from the Democratic Party’s radical anticoal agenda. - from the Republican Platform www.gop.com/platform/americas-natural-resources/

The same Administration now requires the Department of Defense, operating with slashed budgets during a time of expanding conflict, to use its scarce resources to generate 25 percent of its electricity from renewables by 2025. Climate change is far from this nation’s most pressing national security issue. This is the triumph of extremism over common sense, and Congress must stop it. - also from the Republican Platform

Trump’s breach of the Paris Climate Accord and his crusade against green energy was a crime against humanity and the earth. He put over a hundred billion metric tons of carbon dioxide into the atmosphere during his years as president, encouraging coal and Big Oil, and only wished it had been more. Trump’s actions are a time bomb that will kill millions when their full effect is felt.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Thursday, July 8, 2021 10:04 AM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

A Week After the Pacific Northwest Heat Wave, Study Shows it Was ‘Almost Impossible’ Without Global Warming
The extreme temperatures have shaken scientists’ fundamental understanding of heat waves and triggered concerns about a climate tipping point.

The high temperatures in late June that killed hundreds of people in Oregon, Washington and Canada were so unusual that they couldn’t have happened without a boost from human-caused global warming, researchers said Wednesday when they released a rapid climate attribution study of the heat wave in the Pacific Northwest.

The temperatures were so far off the charts that the scientists suggested that global warming may be triggering a “non-linear” climate response, possibly involving drought magnifying the warming, to brew up extreme heat storms that exceed climate projections.

Climate change, caused by greenhouse gas emissions, made the Pacific Northwest heat wave at least 150 times more likely, and increased its peak temperatures by about 3.6 degrees Fahrenheit, the study by World Weather Attribution concluded.

“I think it’s by far the largest jump in the record that I have ever seen,” said Fredi Otto, a University of Oxford climate researcher and co-author of the study. “We have seen temperature jumps in other heat waves, like in Europe, but never this big.”

The extreme temperature spike shook up some fundamental assumptions about heat waves, said co-author Geert Jan van Oldenborgh, of the Royal Dutch Meteorological Institute. “It was way above the upper bounds,” he said. “It was surprising and I’m shaken that our theoretical understanding of how heat waves behave was so roughly broken. We’ve dialed down our certainty.” If global warming has pushed the climate past a heat wave tipping point, he added, “we are worried about these things happening everywhere.”

The Pacific Northwest heat wave should be a big warning, said co-author Dim Coumou, with the Institute for Environmental Studies at VU Amsterdam and the Royal Netherlands Meteorological Institute. It shows climate scientists don’t understand the mechanisms driving such exceptionally high temperatures, suggesting that “we may have crossed a threshold in the climate system where a small amount of additional global warming causes a faster rise in extreme temperatures.”

In an unrelated study published July 6, European Union researchers studying climate tipping points found additional evidence that human-caused warming could be “abrupt and irreversible,” partly because the current warming is so fast that the climate system can’t adjust. Even the “safe operating space of 1.5 or 2.0 degrees above present generally assumed by the IPCC might not be all that safe,” said co-author Michael Ghil, with the University of Copenhagen.

About 800 people died across the Pacific Northwest during the heat wave, a number that will probably still go up as officials examine medical records and statistics in the coming weeks and months. The peak temperature was 121.3 degrees Fahrenheit on June 29 in Lytton, British Columbia. After setting heat records for Canada on three consecutive days, the town was mostly destroyed by a wildfire driven by hot winds in the dried out forests nearby. In addition to contributing to several major wildfires in the region that are still burning, the heat cooked growing fruit and scalded foliage on trees and other vegetation.

The European Union’s Copernicus Climate Change Service said Wednesday that the average June temperature was the highest on record for North America and the fourth-highest on record globally.

In early July, extreme heat boiled over in northern Scandinavia, with parts of Finland reporting record-breaking temperatures. Persistent heat across northeastern Russia is fueling fires there that are emitting record levels of carbon dioxide for this time of year. And in the West, yet another spasm of dangerous heat is building, potentially peaking this weekend in central and eastern California.

The Deadliest Climate Extreme

Release of the attribution study of the Pacific Northwest heat wave coincided with other new research with dire heat warnings.

A study led by Monash University scientists published Wednesday in The Lancet Planetary Health gives a comprehensive evaluation of heat deaths around the world from 2000 to 2019, a period when the global average temperature rose by nearly a full degree Fahrenheit. It attributes about 637,550 deaths during each of those years to high heat, including about 224,000 deaths per year in Asia, 78,000 in Europe and 19,000 in the United States.

The high death toll in the Pacific Northwest was “sadly, no longer a surprise but part of a very worrying global trend,” said Maarten van Aalst, with the Red Cross Red Crescent Climate Centre and University of Twente, noting that heat waves were the world’s deadliest climate disasters in 2019 and 2020.

In the U.S., heat is the leading weather-related killer, said Kristie L. Ebi, of the Center for Health and the Global Environment at the University of Washington. But with good planning, nearly all those deaths are preventable, she said.

Communities need effective heat action plans that prepare for what are now completely unexpected heat extremes. Early warning and response systems, and community outreach programs, with neighbors checking on each other during heat emergencies, are among the best tools for saving lives, van Aalst said. There is also research showing that staff and scheduling changes at hospitals and ambulance services, based on extreme heat forecasts, can prevent deaths.

Loading the Dice for Weather Extremes

The new attribution study bolsters previous warnings about the need to prepare for more extreme heat waves in a rapidly warming climate, said Otto, one of scientists working on the attribution study. The findings should be considered in the context of what societies are resilient to, and what they can adapt to, she said. “This is not something you would plan for, or expect to happen,” she said. “The models of today are not a good indicator of what to expect at 1.5 degrees (Celsius) of warming. Most societies are sensitive to small changes, and this is not a small change, it’s a big change. We should definitely not expect heat waves to behave in the same way they have in the past.”

Global warming has jacked up the odds for rare events, like 100-year floods, to happen every few years, said Carl-Friedrich Schleussner. “We haven’t seen what a once in a 50 year event looks like now, in a climate altered by humans,” he said. “People are relating to those extreme events as really exceptional, and they are not. We are on the way to leaving the climate window of the Holocene, of the last 8,000 years where we’ve been enjoying a stable climate.”

Already, the world has warmed about 1.2 degrees from the pre-industrial average, he said, enough to fuel exceptional and dangerous heat extremes. “It’s not really comprehended or understood what a climate change of 1.2 degrees is,” he said. He warned that change is non-linear with global warming, meaning that a small rise of the average global temperature can spur a proportionately bigger increase in dangerous heat. Studies show that extremes like the 2003 European heat wave that killed about 70,000 people would have been nearly impossible without human caused warming and, with just another 1 degree Fahrenheit of warming, are likely to happen every other year by the 2040s.

“Our climate experience doesn’t prepare us to understand the scale of what’s going on,” he said. “People talk about loading the dice and throwing sixes. Global warming is loading the dice so we’re throwing sevens now, something impossible previously.”

https://insideclimatenews.org/news/07072021/pacific-northwest-heat-wav
e-attribution-study-climate-change/

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Sunday, July 18, 2021 6:05 PM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

Merkel tours ‘surreal’ flood scene, vows aid, climate action
https://apnews.com/article/europe-floods-7ddb112f034d10973b766dc028eca
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Wildfires rage in Russia’s Siberia, cause airport to close
https://apnews.com/article/europe-business-government-and-politics-fir
es-environment-and-nature-0701097671f846805860c184b215ff74

Huge Oregon blaze grows as wildfires burn across western US
https://apnews.com/article/lifestyle-science-health-fires-environment-
and-nature-98130ca2eda415754bbb085b2dd0a23d

UNESCO chides Australia over Great Barrier Reef proposal
https://apnews.com/article/environment-and-nature-australia-united-nat
ions-3a03a34def7d47e6a70d0515bd3962e7

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Friday, July 23, 2021 6:13 PM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

Monster wildfire tests years of forest management efforts

Ecologists in a vast region of wetlands and forest in remote Oregon have spent the past decade thinning young trees and using planned fires to try to restore the thick stands of ponderosa to a less fire-prone state.

This week, the nation’s biggest burning wildfire provided them with an unexpected, real-world experiment. As the massive inferno half the size of Rhode Island roared into the Sycan Marsh Preserve, firefighters said the flames jumped less from treetop to treetop and instead returned to the ground, where they were easier to fight, moved more slowly and did less damage to the overall forest.

https://apnews.com/article/science-fires-environment-and-nature-oregon
-weather-9a8021b4073fc50309ddf9bad479d956

EXPLAINER: What’s fueling Russia’s ‘unprecedented’ fires?

RECORD HEAT
MONITORING DIFFICULTIES
NEGLECT OF FIRE SAFETY RULES
ARSON
CONTROVERSIAL (let it burn)_REGULATIONS
https://apnews.com/article/europe-business-russia-environment-and-natu
re-climate-change-9f08b16cc35f773d27ce6b2746b410cd

While good forest management practices can help tame wildfires, evidence from areas without any forest management practices show that the planet is more vulnerable to extreme fires than it has been in the past.

I didn't use the extreme forest fires in Australia, Indonesia and Brazil as examples, because those areas have been massively disrupted. But large portions of Siberia are intact, creating examples of what's happening in natural systems.

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Tuesday, July 27, 2021 4:46 PM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

This is almost as creepy as the videos that came out of Fort McMurray, Canada.

This video takes an hour in real time, for the fire not visible over a distant ridge at the start to overtake the camera at the end.

BTW, doing a quick check on Fort McMurray to refresh my memory, I found this sad result:

Firefighters from 2016 Fort McMurray Fire Now Battling Lung Damage
https://www.netnewsledger.com/2021/07/20/firefighters-from-2016-fort-m
cmurray-fire-now-battling-lung-damage/

Firefighters who fought Fort McMurray wildfire suffer persistent lung damage
https://troymedia.com/health/firefighters-found-to-have-persistent-lun
g-damage-from-fort-mcmurray-wildfire/

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Monday, August 9, 2021 7:48 AM

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

Climate change IPCC report is 'code red for humanity', UN scientists say

IPCC - Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change Press Release:
https://www.ipcc.ch/site/assets/uploads/2021/08/IPCC_WGI-AR6-Press-Rel
ease_en.pdf

Climate Change 2021: The Physical Science Basis
https://www.ipcc.ch/report/ar6/wg1/

The full report is 3,949 pages. The 42 page Summary for Policymakers (SPM) provides a high-level summary of the understanding of the current state of the climate.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

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Monday, August 9, 2021 12:00 PM

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

"Bottom line is that we have zero years left to avoid dangerous climate change, because it's here," Michael E. Mann, a lead author of the IPCC's 2001 report, told CNN.

Unlike previous assessments, Monday's report concludes it is "unequivocal" that humans have caused the climate crisis and confirms that "widespread and rapid changes" have already occurred, some of them irreversibly.
https://www.cnn.com/2021/08/09/world/global-climate-change-report-un-i
pcc/index.html

How did Trump respond? This way: "Communist Democrat Party". Trump passionately hates the Green New Deal, the only way to save the world from burning to death.
https://www.donaldjtrump.com/news/news-gyuymdj5zs0

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Monday, August 9, 2021 12:36 PM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

Biden* isn't going to save you from global warming.

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Monday, August 9, 2021 1:41 PM

THG

Quote:
Originally posted by 1KIKI:

Biden* isn't going to save you from global warming.

Are you kidding me comrade? When Trump tried to hide the climate change report you said nothing and instead attacked Obama. When Trump blocked science from the white house you said very little. If it was anyone else you would have started a thread about it.

You have zero credibility when condemning Biden now. First thing Biden did is rejoin the global climate accord. You condemn Biden for not being a miracle worker now, while conveniently forgetting Republicans have blocked everything the Democrats have tried to do about climate change for decades. They did this by spewing climate denial and fake facts.

Biden just became president and is trying. When he was vice president he tried and when a senator he tried. Shoo troll...

Trump Administration Tried To Bury His Climate Study

http://fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=63204

Science given the boot at White House

http://fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=61767

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Monday, August 9, 2021 2:30 PM

DREAMTROVE

Fort McMurray was a fracking disaster, had nothing to do with supposed global warming.

Hold on a sec. I thought THG was a republican and 1kiki a democrat, did I get that wrong, or did you guys switch, and managed to hold to hating each other while doing so?

I forgot what a time sink this place was. Where's Niki?

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Monday, August 9, 2021 4:00 PM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

Still a registered democrat*, but not a 'droid. I've had questions about democrats since Clinton, severe issues since Obama (his inability to prosecute any of the financial institutions early-on did not endear me), and Hillary (and Schumer and Pelosi) broke what was left of any good will.

Niki was a card-carrying liberal and (I think) couldn't take any criticism of democrats - and also the severe personal trolling - and dropped off the radar a long time ago.

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Monday, August 9, 2021 4:16 PM

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

Quote:
Originally posted by 1KIKI:

Biden* isn't going to save you from global warming.

It is either Congress and China saves us or else we are dead. Presidents come and go, but Congress and China goes on and on forever, or at least for another 50 years, which is about how long it will take to clean up this mess if both Congress and China try as hard as they can. But at this moment, Congress cannot do anything because the Republicans in Congress deny there is anything to be done about the climate.

I think DreamTrove summed up the Republican position succinctly: "there's no global warming"
http://fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=63720&mid=11388
91#1138891
DreamTrove continued: "there's no coronavirus epidemic, there's no white supremacy, no terrorist threat, there's no economic crisis, there's no debt crisis, there's no islamic extremist, there's no russian threat, there's no foreign election meddling, all of it is fake, everything they say is fake. If it wasn't fake, it wouldn't profit them to say it." That about covers everything.

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Monday, August 9, 2021 5:28 PM

DREAMTROVE

Quote:
Originally posted by 1KIKI:

Still a registered democrat*, but not a 'droid. I've had questions about democrats since Clinton, severe issues since Obama (his inability to prosecute any of the financial institutions early-on did not endear me), and Hillary (and Schumer and Pelosi) broke what was left of any good will.

Yeah, all solid crooks. I'm a registered democrat, that doesn't actually affect my perspective at all. It's all a scam.

The media is the real problem, and it's funny so much of the Niki left (left or die basically) swallows everything they say, since the media is also a giant corporate multinational. They fail to see the "you will be forced to be our customer and believe whatever we say" problem, and the "we hire more psychologists than researchers, because we're brainwashing you"

Meanwhile, the right also has a blindspot for the corporate profit driven "free market" free trade internationalism that turns into "you will be forced to be our customer and believe whatever we say" problem, which also slides into communism.

On Climate Change, there are serious environmental problems, but the media won't focus on them, becuase both its corporate and its govt interests are tied up in creating those problems (like the not-really-wild-fires), and the water contamination, over active use of chemicals in resource mining, overfishing, deforestation, habitat and species destruction, localized rather than global air pollution that contains things like TCE far more toxic than co2.

Trying to find the truth in the middle is hard. I tend to try to find out what the story is (if there's a conspiracy and the media tries to actively shutdown that conspiracy or fact-check it, there's a story.) Then I research on my own and see if I can come up with an answer without reading any of the conspiracy stuff, then I check the results I independently got with what's circulating, and if "people with PhDs who have been kicked out of the govt or corporation for their beliefs when they uncovered some scandal" agree with me, I feel pretty good about my anwser. If someone in media or govt with obvious agenda agrees with me, and is pushing it hard, then i'm probably still wrong. (like if you're completely in line with alex jones on the right or michael moore on the left, you're probably missing some piece of the puzzle)

This is why left-right debates are foolish and why I gave up on RWED, there was too much tribal auto-denial. I always meant to spend more time on the rest of this site, like fan fiction etc. When I realized RWED was eating time, I realized politics was. The only enlightened position I think is that the left-right debate is a control mechanism to force us to "need" our overlords to protect us from the opinions of our fellow citizens.

Re: conspiracy theories, yes, they're mostly bunk, but they're mostly harmless bunk, and everyone once in a while they're correct, and that's when it matters. "Victor Gollancz's idea that the Germans plan to exterminate millions of jews in Eastern Europe is a crazy baseless conspiracy theory" or words to that effect were printed in the jewish owned New York Times in 1938. Gollancz was also jewish. At the critical time, it's not who we are or what we believe that matters, it's our ability to separate fact from fiction, regardless of how unlikely the fact may appear to be, or how likely the fiction appears.

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Monday, August 9, 2021 6:28 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

NIKI left, I think bc she didn't like Obama's motives and actions being questioned. So did MAGONS. Not sure when, maybe after Trump was elected. I think of them as "feel good" liberals.

You missed WISHIMAY who wanted to genocide the world "down to the last hundred" and REAVERFAN who threatened other posters and actively encouraged people killing each other in the name of ANTIFA. I think of them as the uber-authoritarian liberals. (They left bc someone harvested their IPs and when they thought their rantings might be exposed IRL they kind of slunk off.)

FREM disappeared in 2016-ish after threatening Trump supporters with death ("I will come after you")

PIZOMBEACH(?)/G/CAPNCRUNCH left after Biden was "elected", posting "My work here is done".

It was pretty disheartening watching formerly interesting people lose their collective shit over Trump.

Me?

RAPPY taught me that people in the grip of overwhelming fear or overwhelming delusion cannot change their minds, no matter how strenuously you argue with them. So I've throttled back.

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

THUGR posts about Putin so much, he must be in love.

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Wednesday, August 11, 2021 10:59 PM

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

Code red for humanity? Whatever.

The warning:

Global warming is dangerously close to spiralling out of control, a U.N. climate panel said in a landmark report Monday....U.N. Secretary-General António Guterres described the report as a "code red for humanity". "The alarm bells are deafening," he said in a statement. "This report must sound a death knell for coal and fossil fuels, before they destroy our planet."

The reality:

Greenhouse gas emissions from the U.S. energy industry are on track to surge the most in more than three decades as utilities increasingly turn to coal to power the economic recovery from the COVID-19 pandemic. Carbon emissions will swell 7% this year to 4.89 billion metric tons, according to government data released Tuesday, the biggest increase since at least 1990.

Welcome to the world of h. sapiens.

https://jabberwocking.com/code-red-for-humanity-whatever/

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Saturday, August 14, 2021 7:20 AM

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Growing acceptance of the reality of climate change has not translated into support for the one strategy that scientists said in a major U.N. report this week is imperative to avert an even more harrowing future: stop burning fossil fuels.

Instead, Republicans want to spend billions to prepare communities to cope with extreme weather and are trying to block efforts by Democrats to cut the emissions that are fueling the disasters in the first place.

Dozens of Republicans in the House and Senate said in recent interviews that quickly switching to wind, solar and other clean energy will damage an economy that has been underpinned by fossil fuels for more than a century.

“I’m not doing anything to raise the cost of living for American families,” said Sen. Rick Scott of Florida, where climate-fueled disasters have cost the state more than $100 billion over the past decade, according to estimates from the federal government.

Scott said he wants to address climate change, but “you can’t do it where you’re killing jobs.”

It’s a message supported by polling that shows Republican voters are more concerned with jobs than the environment.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/08/13/climate/republicans-climate-change.
html

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Saturday, August 14, 2021 10:08 AM

Don't worry dude. With gas prices on the rise, people won't be able to drive to work anymore.

Problem solved.

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Saturday, August 14, 2021 11:52 AM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

Global sizzling: July was hottest month on record, NOAA says

Earth sizzled in July and became the hottest month in 142 years of recordkeeping, U.S. weather officials announced.

As extreme heat waves struck parts of the United States and Europe, the globe averaged 62.07 degrees (16.73 degrees Celsius) last month, beating out the previous record set in July 2016 and tied again in 2019 and 2020. the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration said Friday. The margin was just .02 degrees (.01 Celsius),

The last seven Julys, from 2015 to 2021, have been the hottest seven Julys on record, said NOAA climatologist Ahira Sanchez-Lugo. Last month was 1.67 degrees (0.93 degrees Celsius) warmer than the 20th century average for the month.

“In this case first place is the worst place to be,” NOAA Administrator Rick Spinrad said in a press release. “This new record adds to the disturbing and disruptive path that climate change has set for the globe.”

“This is climate change,” said Pennsylvania State University climate scientist Michael Mann. “It is an exclamation mark on a summer of unprecedented heat, drought, wildfires and flooding.”

Earlier this week, a prestigious United Nations science panel warned of worsening climate change caused by the burning of coal, oil and natural gas and other human activity.

Warming on land in western North America and in parts of Europe and Asia really drove the record-setting heat, Sanchez-Lugo said. While the worldwide temperature was barely higher than the record, what shattered it was land temperature over the Northern Hemisphere, she said.

Northern Hemisphere temperatures were a third of a degree (.19 degrees Celsius) higher than the previous record set in July 2012, which for temperature records is “a wide margin,” Sanchez-Lugo said.

July is the hottest month of the year for the globe, so this is also the hottest month on record.

One factor helping the world bake this summer is a natural weather cycle called the Arctic Oscillation, sort of a cousin to El Nino, which in its positive phase is associated with more warming, the NOAA climatologist said.

Even with a scorching July and a nasty June, this year so far is only the sixth warmest on record. That’s mostly because 2021 started cooler than recent years due to a La Nina cooling of the central Pacific that often reduces the global temperature average, Sanchez-Lugo said.

“One month by itself does not say much, but that this was a La Nina year and we still had the warmest temperatures on record ... fits with the pattern of what we have been seeing for most of the last decade now,” said University of Illinois meteorology professor Donald Wuebbles.

While the world set a record in July, the United States only tied for its 13th hottest July on record. Even though California, Nevada, Oregon and Washington had their hottest Julys, slightly cooler than normal months in Texas, Oklahoma, Kansas, Arkansas, Missouri, Alabama, Maine, Vermont and New Hampshire kept the nation from approaching record heat levels.

The last time the globe had a July cooler than the 20th century average was in 1976, which was also the last year the globe was cooler than that normal.

“So if you’re younger than 45 you haven’t seen a year (or July) where the mean temperature of the planet was cooler than the 20th century average,” said Princeton University climate scientist Gabriel Vecchi.

The Associated Press Health and Science Department receives support from the Howard Hughes Medical Institute’s Department of Science Education. The AP is solely responsible for all content.

https://apnews.com/article/science-environment-and-nature-climate-chan
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Saturday, August 14, 2021 12:07 PM

Don't worry. The vaccine is going to kill off 60% of Americans before the 2028 elections. 70% or more of people in a lot of other countries.

There will be a lot more to go around then, and a lot less pollution.

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Saturday, August 14, 2021 12:36 PM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

I have the same question for you as I did for DT - what will you do if(when) your predictions don't come true? Burrow ever further into denial when 60% of the vaccinated people you know fail to die on cue, and start claiming that they're really zombies?

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Sunday, August 15, 2021 7:04 AM

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Playing Nice With the Fossil Fuel Industry Is Climate Denial

The Biden administration is now on track to approve more oil and gas drilling on public lands—activity that accounts for a quarter of U.S. greenhouse gas emissions—than any administration since George W. Bush. Climate envoy John Kerry has balked at the idea of committing the U.S. to a coal phaseout. Politicians who call themselves climate hawks are still going out of their way to make clear that there’s a vibrant future ahead for the companies that funded climate denial, whose business model remains built around burning up and extracting as many fossil fuels as possible. Administration officials, meanwhile, have talked repeatedly about the need to cap warming at 1.5 degrees Celsius.

This is climate denial. These politicians don’t dispute that the climate is changing, but they are absolutely in denial about what curbing it would entail.

Rhetorically, the administration has emphasized electric vehicles, in particular, as being at the core of its climate agenda. With the right incentives, the thinking goes, the U.S. can transform a historically important sector into an engine of green job creation and decarbonization. So what is the White House doing to make good on its promise of sparking an E.V. revolution? Last week, the White House announced that it had reached a nonbinding deal with the country’s biggest automakers that half their new vehicles would be electric, plug-in hybrid, or hydrogen-electric by 2030.

That target in fact falls short of what car companies themselves previously pledged. And the funding for the goal is pretty meager, too. Electric vehicles and buses only get $7.5 billion each in the bipartisan infrastructure plan, to be parceled out over 10 years in the form of incentives rather than direct spending.

Showing off a modest pilot project for solar-paneled highways last week, Transportation Secretary Pete Buttigieg claimed the U.S. has entered the race to “win the E.V. market.” This, to put it plainly, is ridiculous. Let’s compare, for example, where the U.S. is to where China is on that front. The U.S. currently has 1,650 electric and fuel cell buses currently or “soon to be” in use. Since 2015, China has rolled out 421,000 electric buses via generous industrial policy that paid automaker BYD the equivalent of $150,000 for every $300,000 electric bus it churned out. That was paired with procurement policies that created a built-in market for what were then still clunky e-buses, forcing manufacturers to work out the kinks as they scaled production to meet demand from the public sector. Shenzhen alone now has 16,000 electric buses, along with some 12,000 E.V. taxis.

The American automobile industry, specifically Ford and GM, have known for over half a century about the threat their products posed to the habitability of the planet. They responded by funding climate denial. The Biden administration is offering these companies free advertising and voluntary incentives to change course. That isn’t treating climate change as a crisis so much as a business opportunity for its favorite sectors.

Decarbonization is fundamentally a planning problem. The U.S. (among other rich countries) has grown allergic to planning, at least in the areas that might help reduce emissions. Even in the places where it’s most bullish, like E.V.s, the best the administration can imagine is tweaks around the edges.

The physical reality of climate change doesn’t make the politics surrounding it any easier. Thanks to the decades-long push to drag the U.S. political spectrum to the right, any reasonable solutions for dealing with the climate crisis seem all but impossible here. Realistically, at this point, climate leadership will have to come from elsewhere. Whatever climate spending Democrats can eke out of reconciliation is certainly welcome. But something’s gotta give at a much larger scale. The planet we’ve known already is venturing into “unprecedented” territory. Our politics should, too.

More at https://newrepublic.com/article/163205/playing-nice-fossil-fuel-indust
ry-climate-denial

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Sunday, August 15, 2021 9:01 AM

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Originally posted by 1KIKI:

I have the same question for you as I did for DT - what will you do if(when) your predictions don't come true? Burrow ever further into denial when 60% of the vaccinated people you know fail to die on cue, and start claiming that they're really zombies?

I'm trolling DT.

I don't want that to happen. People I care about will die.

But if somebody tries to force the shot on me, they're going to meet their maker.

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Sunday, August 15, 2021 9:24 AM

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Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

I'm trolling DT.

I don't want that to happen. People I care about will die.

But if somebody tries to force the shot on me, they're going to meet their maker.

Are you channeling Nicolas Cage? Because that could be dialog from one of his violent and peculiar movies.
https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000115/

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Sunday, August 15, 2021 9:25 AM

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Originally posted by second:
Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

I'm trolling DT.

I don't want that to happen. People I care about will die.

But if somebody tries to force the shot on me, they're going to meet their maker.
Are you channeling Nicolas Cage? Because that could be dialog from one of his violent and peculiar movies.
https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000115/

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

Nah. Nic Cage is a national treasure, but I do me.

I'm not looking for violence. My statement is a fair warning...

Anybody who's looking for it is going to find it.

Here there be dragons.

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Sunday, August 15, 2021 9:47 AM

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Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

Nah. Nic Cage is a national treasure, but I do me.

I'm not looking for violence. My statement is a fair warning...

Anybody who's looking for it is going to find it.

Here there be dragons.

You're doing it again. Nicolas Cage is speaking. You're acting, 6ix, and fireflyfans.net is the stage you strut and prance upon.

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Sunday, August 15, 2021 9:50 AM

We'll see who's acting. Perhaps you would like to be the one to stop by and administer my shot for me?

So what movie are you talking about anyhow? I never click on any of your dumb links.

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Sunday, August 15, 2021 10:08 AM

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Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
We'll see who's acting. Perhaps you want to be the one to stop by and administer my shot for me?

So what movie are you talking about anyhow? I never click on any of your dumb links.

The movie is "Pig". The reviews said it's Cage's most restrained acting in years. I was hoping for realism, and it was until the truffle sniffing pig was stolen. But pretty soon Cage is in an underground fight club for restaurant workers only in an abandoned part of Portland Oregon, taking punch after punch without fighting back. He was already beat up before that fight. Cage is tough. Cage is laconic, which is unusual for him. He makes people uncomfortable with his homeless persona, especially the dried blood on his face. When the vax team comes for you, 6ix, scare them with dried blood on your face. They will run from you without a fight.

https://www.metacritic.com/movie/pig-2021

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Sunday, August 15, 2021 10:37 AM

Where's the fun in that?

I haven't seen a Cage flick since Wicker Man. But I think I'm going to watch the one where he beats the piss out of some Showbiz Pizza puppets.

I hear he doesn't have any dialog in the whole movie. I'll probably be a lot scarier to any labcoats that come my way if I don't say anything to them.

The hate in my eyes will do all the talking for me.

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Sunday, August 15, 2021 11:17 AM