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Sunday, July 11, 2021 8:32 AM

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You've claimed to not be a Republican.



I'm not.

TL;DR on the rest of your post. None of your bullshit is ever worth the time reading.

Then you won't learn a secret about America:

The sense of responsibility for doing a job right seems to be declining. In fact, the phrase “I am not responsible” has become a standard response in our society to the complaints that a job has been poorly done. This response is a semantic error. Generally, what a person means is: “I cannot be held legally liable.” Yet, from a moral or ethical point of view, the person who disclaims responsibility is correct: By taking this way out, he is not responsible; he is irresponsible.

The unwillingness to act and to accept responsibility is a symptom of America’s growing self-satisfaction with the status quo. The result is a paralysis of the spirit, entirely uncharacteristic of Americans during the previous stages of our history. Originally by Hyman G. Rickover, April 29, 1984

More at https://www.nytimes.com/1984/04/29/nyregion/long-island-opinion-rickov
er-giving-life-meaning.html


Even back in 1984, Rickover recognized serious character flaws in a majority of Americans, which caused him to be famously picky about who he hired to work on nuclear propulsion, but because he could recognize and work around that reality, there were no nuclear accidents in the US Navy, unlike Russia, which had abundant accidents.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyman_G._Rickover#Safety_record

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Sunday, July 11, 2021 8:42 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


TL:DR

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And he who is not sufficiently courageous to defend his soul — don’t let him be proud of his ‘progressive’ views, and don’t let him boast that he is an academician or a people’s artist, a distinguished figure or a general. Let him say to himself: I am a part of the herd and a coward. It’s all the same to me as long as I’m fed and kept warm.

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Sunday, July 11, 2021 9:50 AM

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TL:DR

Vaccum, vacuum, or vacume — which is correct? A Trumptard I know in the oilfield asks potential hires how to spell the word in a verbal pop quiz with no warning and no paper. He does not hire field hands who spell it correctly. They have to spell the way he spells.

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Sunday, July 11, 2021 9:51 AM

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lol Whatever dude.

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And he who is not sufficiently courageous to defend his soul — don’t let him be proud of his ‘progressive’ views, and don’t let him boast that he is an academician or a people’s artist, a distinguished figure or a general. Let him say to himself: I am a part of the herd and a coward. It’s all the same to me as long as I’m fed and kept warm.

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Tuesday, July 13, 2021 6:30 AM

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Biden’s ideology is largely invisible

Adam Gopnik writes:

The Brooklyn-reared boxing trainer Charley Goldman, who crafted Rocky Marciano, the undefeated heavyweight champ of the nineteen-fifties, once made a wise statement: “Never play a guy at his own game; nobody makes up a game in order to get beat at it.” He meant that there was no point getting into a slugging match with a slugger or a bob-and-weave match with a bob-and-weaver. Instead, do what you do well. Damon Runyon, another New York character of that same wise vintage, said something similar about a different activity: if someone wants to bet you that, if you open a sealed deck of cards, the jack of spades will come out and squirt cider in your ear, don’t take the bet, however tempting the odds. The deck, you can be sure, is gaffed on the other gambler’s behalf. Never play the other guy’s game: it’s the simple wisdom of the corner gym and the gambling den. The other guy’s game is designed for the other guy to win.

An instinctive understanding of this principle was part of the brilliance of Joe Biden’s Presidential campaign—and that we do not think of it as brilliant, despite his decisive victory against an incumbent, is part of its brilliance. Donald Trump invented a game: of bullying, lying, sociopathic selfishness, treachery, and outright gangsterism, doing and saying things that no democratic politician had ever done or even thought of doing, and he did it all in broad daylight. (A notorious line attributed to Nixon—“We can do that, but it would be wrong”—was about paying hush money. Even Nixon wouldn’t pardon his henchmen. Trump did.) It was a game designed for Trump alone to win, but all too many got drawn into it. It was a game that some credit to a Russian model of disinformation but actually seems rooted in old-fashioned American Barnumism, weaponized with John Gotti-style ethics. It was designed, in plain English, to throw out so much crap that no one could ever deal with it all. Trying to bat the crap away, you just got more of it all over you, and meanwhile you were implicitly endorsing its relevance.

Biden, by contrast, insisted that the way to win was not to play. In the face of the new politics of spectacle, he kept true to old-school coalition politics. He understood that the Black Church mattered more in Democratic primaries than any amount of Twitter snark, and, by keeping a low profile on social media, showed that social-media politics was a mirage. Throughout the dark, dystopian post-election months of Trump’s tantrum—which led to the insurrection on January 6th—many Democrats deplored Biden’s seeming passivity, his reluctance to call a coup a coup and a would-be dictator a would-be dictator. Instead, he and his team were remarkably (to many, it seemed, exasperatingly) focussed on counting the votes, trusting the process, and staffing the government.

It looked at the time dangerously passive; it turned out to be patiently wise, for Biden and his team, widely attacked as pusillanimous centrists with no particular convictions, are in fact ideologues. Their ideology is largely invisible but no less ideological for refusing to present itself out in the open. It is the belief, animating Biden’s whole career, that there is a surprisingly large area of agreement in American life and that, by appealing to that area of agreement, electoral victory and progress can be found.

More at https://www.newyorker.com/news/daily-comment/bidens-invisible-ideology
or at
https://web.archive.org/web/20210712200728/https://www.newyorker.com/n
ews/daily-comment/bidens-invisible-ideology


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Wednesday, July 14, 2021 7:10 AM

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The Lies Were Always the Point

Back when Donald Trump was the main one telling lies and his boosters were scrambling all around him to make it so, there was a certain comic quality to it all: What was the point in distorting weather maps or crowd sizes just to flatter a weirdo narcissist? Experts in authoritarianism were warning that this type of manipulation was how strongmen cling to power, sure, but it seemed easy enough to push it away and assume that once he was no longer president, the persistent flattery and adjusting of reality for his benefit would stop. But it’s now clear that the falsehood itself is the endgame. As historian Timothy Snyder cautioned after the Jan. 6 insurrection at the Capitol, “When we give up on truth, we concede power to those with the wealth and charisma to create spectacle in its place. Without agreement about some basic facts, citizens cannot form the civil society that would allow them to defend themselves. If we lose the institutions that produce facts that are pertinent to us, then we tend to wallow in attractive abstractions and fictions.” That’s why debates about whether Trumpism can exist post-Trump or why the GOP has refused to abandon Trump miss the point. The point is that the GOP has abandoned truth. Trump himself is ancillary to that move.

The temptation has always been to try to sort the Trump lies into the hilarious ones and the pernicious ones, but that, too, misses the point. If the lying itself is the objective, the difference between the clueless whopper and the sly distortion is immaterial; in fact, the clueless whopper can be more potent because it offers up greater spectacle and affords more opportunity for performing loyalty. As recently as the second impeachment, the clueless whopper—about peaceful protesters and false flag antifa activists at the capitol—lived largely in the fever swamps. A few months later, it is being parroted by Trump and members of the Senate. The Big Lie, however absurd it might be, can overtake reality so fast the only trick anyone need master is the patience to ride it out. That means the only strategy needed for liars is to repeat the lie. Trump, who had little mastery of most skills, was always a wizard at this move.

For years, Trump used the phrase “many people are saying” to essentially mean “someday people will be saying.” He did so understanding that if you say such things enough times, someone somewhere will parrot it as a fundamental truth, and then your initial statement will be true(ish—many people will be saying the untrue thing). “Many people are saying [this lie]” was always code for “if we get people to say [this lie], it will seem true.” Trump’s admission of that principle at CPAC on Sunday gave away the game. He confessed, about polling numbers, that “if it’s bad, I say it’s fake. If it’s good, I say, that’s the most accurate poll perhaps ever.” The lie thus goes from a fiction in the lizard brain of a dangerously delusional man to headline news to gospel for people who have been trained to invert whatever they see from the news. In which case why wouldn’t Rudy Giuliani advise Trump on election night 2020 that he should simply lie and claim victory? That had been the game all along.

The courts are attempting to separate the liars from their lies, by sanctioning the liars. But when simply spreading the lie is the point, that proves trickier than you might imagine. At a hearing before a federal court in Detroit on Monday, in which a judge probed how it could be the case that Trump’s election lawyers filed hundreds of pages of unverified speculation and gobsmacking errors in a case seeking to decertify Joe Biden’s victory in Michigan, the problem was laid bare: A Zoom screen full of attorneys bound by sworn obligations of candor, civility, and truth joyfully contended that people were saying false things. Lawyers representing Trump’s campaign, including Sidney Powell and Lin Wood were called out by U.S. District Court Judge Linda Parker for bolstering their pleadings with false, unsupported, and speculative claims by random conspiracy theorists who believed lies about flipped votes, the U.S. Postal Service, and illegal ballots that they saw on the news. Wood and another attorney, Emily Newman, had the good sense to blame all the other attorneys. But in the main, the lawyers’ defense was that if many people believed these lies, counsel had no independent obligation to ascertain whether the lies were true. Some of these attorneys went so far as to insist that the only way to test the lies would have been at a full and costly trial. Others insisted that opposing counsel and the judge herself had a duty to examine each of the lies before calling them lies, despite the fact that they never had any basis in truth.

Judge Parker was visibly horrified by the failure of any lawyers to do anything to verify demonstrably false and—as she called them—“fantastical” claims and layers upon layers of hearsay. But one of the lawyers insisted that attorneys have First Amendment rights to repeat lies; while others advanced the test-every-falsehood claim. The fact that a different judge in another Michigan case had already dismissed the lies as lies was not material, either, they insisted. Every judge must start anew from the proposition that the sky is green and prove otherwise. Oddly, when Parker actually attempted to test each individual lie at the hearing, counsel then claimed that going through each lie individually was irrelevant, since it was the aggregated hundreds of pages of lies that gave the lawsuit its original heft. “Volume,” chided Parker at one point, “certainly doesn’t equate with legitimacy.”

More at https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2021/07/lies-reality-political-pro
blem-republicans-sidney-powell-lin-wood.html


The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Wednesday, July 14, 2021 7:13 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


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And he who is not sufficiently courageous to defend his soul — don’t let him be proud of his ‘progressive’ views, and don’t let him boast that he is an academician or a people’s artist, a distinguished figure or a general. Let him say to himself: I am a part of the herd and a coward. It’s all the same to me as long as I’m fed and kept warm.

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Wednesday, July 14, 2021 7:19 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


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The Lies Were Always the Point





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Wednesday, July 14, 2021 12:58 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


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Originally posted by second:
The Lies Were Always the Point

Back when Donald Trump was the main one telling lies and his boosters were scrambling all around him to make it so, there was a certain comic quality to it all: What was the point in distorting weather maps or crowd sizes just to flatter a weirdo narcissist? Experts in authoritarianism were warning that this type of manipulation was how strongmen cling to power, sure, but it seemed easy enough to push it away and assume that once he was no longer president, the persistent flattery and adjusting of reality for his benefit would stop. But it’s now clear that the falsehood itself is the endgame. As historian Timothy Snyder cautioned after the Jan. 6 insurrection

That's just about where I stopped reading bc I know the author is lying.

Anyone who refers to Jan 6 as an "insurrection" is "adjusting reality" for a political purposes (= propagandizing). And unless they acknowledge the real lies ... RUSSIA!RUSSIA!RUSSIA! ... Collusion!..."white supremacy is the biggest threat our nation faces!"... "quid pro quo!"... "Russia paid bounties in Afghanistan!" ... "Mostly peaceful" riots... etc etc .... lies that we were ENDLESSLY deluged with for five years (and counting!)

Plus the lies of omission: Hunter Biden's laptop and his dad's involvement in Hunter's money-making schemes; whitewashing Hillary, Brennan, and Obama; the potentially artificial origin of Covid-19...

Lies that seem to have permanently distorted the thinking of about 40% of America and set Americans against each other ...

I will never trust a word they say or write.

Why should I believe propagada?

Oh, and BTW, if you want to see what a REAL insurrection looks like, try this:








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“When we give up on truth, we concede power to those with the wealth and charisma to create spectacle in its place. Without agreement about some basic facts, citizens cannot form the civil society that would allow them to defend themselves. If we lose the institutions that produce facts
PRODUCE facts? Facts are discovered, not "produced". Unless, of course, you're in the business of producing propaganda.

PLEASE, STOP POSTING PROPAGANDA, SECONDRATE. Put at least a little shitscreen on before you splatter the board!

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

THUGR posts about Putin so much, he must be in love.

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Thursday, July 15, 2021 6:17 AM

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I stopped reading bc I know the author is lying.

Anyone who refers to Jan 6 as an "insurrection" is "adjusting reality" for a political purposes (= propagandizing). And unless they acknowledge the real lies ... RUSSIA!RUSSIA!RUSSIA! ...

Story on Jan 5: Despite pressure from U.S. President Donald Trump to help overturn his election loss, Vice President Mike Pence will stick to his ceremonial duties and not block Wednesday’s certification by Congress of President-elect Joe Biden’s victory, advisers said. Trump ramped up pressure on Pence on Tuesday to block congressional certification of the November election results in an ongoing attempt to stay in power, after dozens of lawsuits by his campaign challenging the outcome failed in U.S. courts.
www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-pence/despite-trump-pressure-p
ence-will-not-block-bidens-election-certification-advisers-idUSKBN29A2J0


Senate Majority Leader McConnell (R-KY) spoke about the January 6 attack on the U.S. Capitol, and blamed President Trump for inciting the riot. The video is here:
https://www.c-span.org/video/?507835-4/senator-mcconnell-attack-us-cap
itol


"President Trump claimed the election was stolen." Senator Majority Leader Mitch McConnell, R-Ky., expressed his concern about the effort to overturn the 2020 presidential election as he spoke on the Senate Floor. McConnell said “If this election were overturned by mere allegations from the losing side our democracy would enter a death spiral. We’d never see the whole nation accept the election again.” The video is here:
https://www.nbcboston.com/news/politics/biden-administration/mcconnell
s-full-speech-on-senate-floor/2273479
/

But what would McConnell know? Signym can't trust him because he has never been as big a friend to Trump as crazy Russian troll Signym. What about Mike Pence, Trump's Vice-President? Pence waited until June 24th before saying this:

Former vice-president Mike Pence used a speech late on Thursday to go much further than he has before in public to rebuke Donald Trump’s efforts to overturn the Republican defeat in the 2020 presidential election, while adding he will “always be proud” of playing his part to certify Joe Biden’s victory. The US Congress, with Pence presiding in the Senate, confirmed the election result in the early hours of 7 January after the deadly insurrection the day before by extremist supporters of Trump, shortly after the then president had urged them “to fight like hell” to reverse his defeat and pressured Pence not to certify Biden’s win.
www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/jun/25/mike-pence-trump-capitol-attac
k-election-result


'Hang Mike Pence': Twitter stops phrase trending after Capitol riot. Chant was heard in the US Capitol on Wednesday as pro-Trump mob, incited by the president, stormed the building.
www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/jan/10/hang-mike-pence-twitter-stops-
phrase-trending-capitol-breach


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Thursday, July 15, 2021 6:30 AM

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Bridging the wide gap between civilians and the armed forces is the best way to prevent future unwinnable wars.

Americans Venerate the Military but Don’t Really Understand What It Does

After two decades of war, the U.S. military is still the most trusted institution in the nation. But with the military’s involvement in Afghanistan drawing to its end and American troops still at risk in Iraq, the divide between the civilian and military worlds is wider than ever.

My father served in Iraq during the Gulf War, and I served in the same country during the war against ISIS 25 years later, an example of how military service is becoming more associated with familial ties, and ever more separate from the general population. An ever-smaller portion of the U.S. population, not to mention U.S. politicians, has any experience with military personnel. As the prospect of the end of our forever wars draws nearer, it’s time for the nation and its armed forces to reassess their relationships with each other. A stronger civil-military relationship may prevent our involvement in future unwinnable wars, and it may also help prevent needless deaths caused by an insular military culture during peacetime. In light of recent political events, strengthened ties can also prevent the horrifying prospect of our troops being used by political actors against our own citizens.

The Defense Department itself bears a large responsibility for its estrangement from the American public. While serving as a journalist in the Army, I often found that our own efforts at outreach were hindered by cultural norms and procedures that rewarded minimizing contact with the outside world. Media organizations were kept at arm’s length, and all news releases (including mine) were strenuously reviewed to ensure that they were on message. Concrete steps must be taken to engage in dialogue with citizens not just outside of military bases, but at college campuses, in areas that usually do not draw recruits, in places where the military may not be liked. Traditionally, when it comes to public affairs, military doctrine emphasizes persuasion, but the goal of this engagement with the public should be to provide information that allows citizens to civically engage with our government about the use of and policies relevant to armed service members.

There are many cultural issues in the military that need outside perspectives to change the status quo. Suicides among service members killed more personnel than our wars combined since 2001. Most personnel in the military never go to war, much less see combat, yet still commit suicide due to the stressors of military life.

While in Iraq, I was sometimes told that showing the conditions that personnel were living in or using their exact words would cause a public reaction that would not be beneficial to what we in the military were trying to accomplish. This line of thinking is responsible for the continuous rosy reports by military public affairs from Afghanistan and Iraq, even as the reality on the ground was much darker.

This campaign has included the utterly bizarre rewriting of history: In the most recent Call of Duty game, the Gulf War’s “Highway of Death” — where U.S. airpower conducted a wholesale slaughter of retreating Iraqis — was changed to a Russian operation.

More at https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2021/07/civil-military-divide-medi
a-forever-wars.html


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Thursday, July 15, 2021 8:09 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


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After two decades of war, the U.S. military is still the most trusted institution in the nation.



Citation needed.


I think most people would put the Post Office and the Public Library above the military.

Sure, the PO loses a lot of shit and the libraries burn books. But c'mon man.

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And he who is not sufficiently courageous to defend his soul — don’t let him be proud of his ‘progressive’ views, and don’t let him boast that he is an academician or a people’s artist, a distinguished figure or a general. Let him say to himself: I am a part of the herd and a coward. It’s all the same to me as long as I’m fed and kept warm.

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Thursday, July 15, 2021 8:32 AM

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Originally posted by second:
After two decades of war, the U.S. military is still the most trusted institution in the nation.



Citation needed.

https://news.gallup.com/poll/1597/confidence-institutions.aspx

If you want editorializing: https://www.google.com/search?q=U.S.+military+is+still+the+most+truste
d+institution+in+the+nation


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Thursday, July 15, 2021 8:39 AM

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After two decades of war, the U.S. military is still the most trusted institution in the nation.



Citation needed.

https://news.gallup.com/poll/1597/confidence-institutions.aspx



They didn't bother with the Post Office or Public Library, I see.

Looks like Small Businesses eeks out the win by 3 percentage points over the Military according to those graphs.

Still a pretty sad statistic how much trust Gallup came up with for the Military. I'm thinking once you take out Boomers and the Silent Generation that figure looks more like trust in Congress or the Media.

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If you want editorializing: https://www.google.com/search?q=U.S.+military+is+still+the+most+truste
d+institution+in+the+nation



I never, ever want editorializing.

Prime example right here being that whoever is printing those stories didn't actually look at the graphs and realize that the Military is the 2nd most trusted institution in the nation according to Gallup.

But that headline doesn't get clicks. And nobody actually looks at the data.



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Thursday, July 15, 2021 1:21 PM

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https://web.archive.org/web/20210715095300/https://www.nytimes.com/202
1/07/15/opinion/climate-change-energy-infrastructure.html


It Seems Odd That We Would Just Let the World Burn
by Ezra Klein

I spent the weekend reading a book I wasn’t entirely comfortable being seen with in public. Andreas Malm’s “How to Blow Up a Pipeline” is only slightly inaptly named. You won’t find, anywhere inside, instructions on sabotaging energy infrastructure. A truer title would be “Why to Blow Up a Pipeline.” On this, Malm’s case is straightforward: Because nothing else has worked.

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Decades of climate activism have gotten millions of people into the streets but they haven’t turned the tide on emissions, or even investments. Citing a 2019 study in the journal Nature, Malm observes that, measuring by capacity, 49 percent of the fossil-fuel-burning energy infrastructure now in operation was installed after 2004. Add in the expected emissions from projects in some stage of the planning process and we are most of the way toward warming the world by 2 degrees Celsius — a prospect scientists consider terrifying and most world governments have repeatedly pledged to avoid. Some hoped that the pandemic would alter the world’s course, but it hasn’t. Oil consumption is hurtling back to pre-crisis levels, and demand for coal, the dirtiest of the fuels, is rising.

“Here is what this movement of millions should do, for a start,” Malm writes. “Announce and enforce the prohibition. Damage and destroy new CO2-emitting devices. Put them out of commission, pick them apart, demolish them, burn them, blow them up. Let the capitalists who keep on investing in the fire know that their properties will be trashed.”

The question at the heart of Malm’s book is why this isn’t happening already. “Were we governed by reason, we would be on the barricades today, dragging the drivers of Range Rovers and Nissan Patrols out of their seats, occupying and shutting down the coal-burning power stations, bursting in upon the Blairs’ retreat from reality in Barbados and demanding a reversal of economic life as dramatic as the one we bore when we went to war with Hitler,” he says.

Malm offers two answers for the resolute nonviolence of the climate movement. The first is “strategic pacificism,” the belief that nonviolent protest is more effective than violent resistance. Much of the book is occupied by Malm’s rebuttal to potted histories of past social movements, which is persuasive in parts. He’s surely right that we sanitize past uprisings, lionizing the peaceful and blackening or forgetting the names of the violent. There is at least an argument that it’s the interplay of forces that transforms societies. There was no peaceful American Revolution. There were riots and rifles woven into the civil rights movement. “Does this movement possess a radical flank?” asks Malm.

As to whether blowing up pipelines would work here, and now, Malm is less convincing. The likeliest outcome is that a few dozen climate activists would be jailed for years (as some already have been) and a wave of laws criminalizing even peaceful protest would sweep the nation. He has no answers for those who fear the probable political consequences: an immediate backlash that sweeps enemies of climate action into power, eliminating even the fragile hopes for policy progress.

“I do think we need to show society there’s something radical on the line, but can you imagine how thrilled Republican politicians would be if people began blowing up pipelines?” David Roberts, author of the invaluable climate newsletter Volts, told me. “They’ve been trying to make eco-terrorism a thing for years. Imagine the first time someone gets hurt.”

Elsewhere in the book, Malm is firmly opposed to tactics that could signal contempt or hostility for the working class. But the consequence of a wave of bombings to obliterate energy infrastructure would be to raise the price on energy immediately, all across the world, and the burdens would fall heaviest on the poor. Malm tries, at times, to resolve this tension, suggesting that perhaps the targets could be the yachts of the superrich, but in general he’s talking about pipelines, and pipelines carry the fuels for used Nissans and aged ferries, not just Gulfstream jets.

Higher energy prices are political poison, which is, according to leaked audio, why Exxon Mobil supports a carbon tax: The company knows that any politician who dares propose such a tax will do more to harm the climate movement than to help it (this is a lesson, thankfully, that the Biden administration has learned). It’s difficult, then, to believe that raising prices on the same fuels through a campaign of bombings would mobilize the working class on behalf of climate action.

Still, violence is often deployed, even if counterproductively, on behalf of causes far less consequential than the climate crisis. So skepticism of the practical benefits of violence does not fully explain its absence in a movement this vast and with consequences this grave. To that end, Malm quotes the writer John Lanchester, who asked, in 2007, whether the absence of eco-violence was because “even the people who feel most strongly about climate change on some level can’t quite bring themselves to believe in it.”

This question does not apply only to violence. It applies to quieter questions of political strategy and policy demands, and it is often asked of the climate movement. “It has become fashionable to call for a World War II-style mobilization to fight climate change,” wrote Ted Nordhaus, the founder of The Breakthrough Institute, in an essay questioning whether climate activists believed their own rhetoric. “But virtually no one will actually call for any of the sorts of activities that the United States undertook during the war mobilization — rationing food and fuels, seizing property, nationalizing factories or industries, or suspending democratic liberties.”

Nordhaus goes on: “The vagueness and modesty of the Green New Deal is not proof that progressives and environmentalists are closet socialists. It is, rather, evidence that most climate advocates, though no doubt alarmed, don’t actually see climate change as the immediate and existential threat they suggest it is.”

I don’t believe the strong form of this argument any more than I believe that people smoke in their 20s because they doubt that lung cancer is a horrible way to die. Much of the modesty Nordhaus identifies is a relative of the political realism that, in other contexts, he praises. Many climate activists choose an asceticism in their own lives that they wouldn’t dare ask of others, not because they believe it to be wrong, or unnecessary, but because they fear political annihilation. Most vegans I know avoid meat in part for climate reasons, but they know it would be disastrous to the causes they care about if President Biden demanded that all Americans do the same.

It’s true that there is a discordance between the pitch of the rhetoric on climate and the normalcy of the lives many of us live. I don’t see that as a revelation of political misdirection so much as a constant failure of human nature. We are inconsistent creatures who routinely court the catastrophes we most fear. We do so because we don’t feel the pain of others as our own, because there are social constraints on our actions and imaginations, because the future is an abstraction and the pleasures of this instant are a siren. That is true with our health and our finances and our loves and so of course it is true with our world.

All of this has been on my mind for reasons that should be extraordinary, but have become, instead, grimly banal. June 2021 was the hottest June ever recorded on land. Portland, Ore., saw temperatures of 116 degrees, a sentence that doesn’t make sense to me even as I know it to be true. In Lytton, British Columbia, temperatures reached 121 degrees, and the city simply ignited. “You can’t even comprehend it,” one resident told CBC Radio. “Our entire town is gone.”

In California, where I live, 2020 was a hellish, unprecedented year of fires, with more than four million acres consumed. There were days when the smoke covered the sun and every breath stung the throat. But 2021 is tracking even worse. And it’s not just California. “North America chokes in smoke, looks like an ashtray from space,” read a Weather Channel headline.

But you’d never know it watching C-SPAN. The bipartisan infrastructure bill cuts most of the climate investments from President Biden’s American Jobs Plan, leaving them for a future reconciliation package that may or may not pass. There’s been much debate on the left over whether the bipartisan bill should be killed, or at least stymied until its successor is closer to passage. But the bipartisan bill includes some climate priorities — $47.2 billion for climate resiliency projects, $73 billion for upgrading the electricity grid — and there’s little reason to believe that destroying it will make Senator Joe Manchin likelier to support a sweeping, partisan effort.

It is better than nothing; it is not nearly enough. The same is true, to be honest, even of the broader investments Biden envisioned. That is the state of climate policy in 2021, and I am not optimistic that it will be much different in 2022, or 2025.

“Climate alarmism is useless,” tweeted Juan Moreno-Cruz, the Canada Research Chair in Energy Transitions at the University of Waterloo. “The impacts of climate change are here. Let’s talk about climate realism.” The problem, he continued, is that “talking climate solutions have left us unprepared for actual climate change. We keep running models and fighting over which ‘solution’ is the best, but we have done nothing to address the impacts of climate change. Adaptation research and implementation is severely underfunded.”

But when I spoke to Moreno-Cruz, his realism didn’t seem much more realistic, and he knew it. “We need to provide adaptation measures and investments to the majority of people on the planet,” he told me. Adaptation is a monstrous challenge, arguably harder and pricier than simply reducing emissions would be. It requires infrastructure, migration support, income and food security, and much more, and the financing must flow from rich countries to poor countries. “At that point, it becomes very similar to mitigation in the sense that our incentives in the rich countries to protect the poor countries are not aligned,” Moreno-Cruz said.

We underestimate the horrors humans will adapt to. There is no expanse of suffering that guarantees a compassionate response. The wreckage of the coronavirus is a reminder that even the deaths of family members, friends and neighbors will not inevitably transform our politics. More than 600,000 American lives have been lost, and for all that, the 2020 election looked much like the 2016 election, and fights over even so modest an adaptation as masks roiled the nation. Worse, American politics moved on as soon as the epicenters of crisis shifted beyond our borders. There is nothing in the past year that should make us believe that ruinous suffering in India will focus minds in America.

I do not want this to be a column arguing for despair. No emotion is more useless, and it’s wrong at any rate. If we fail to keep warming below the longtime global goal of 2 degrees Celsius, well, 2 degrees remains better than 2.5. And 2.5 is far preferable to 3. And humanity would much rather have 3 than 3.5. And so on, and so forth. There is no point at which giving up makes more sense than fighting on.

But to the immediate question — how to force the political system to do enough, fast enough, to avert mass suffering — I don’t know the answer, or even if there is an answer. Legislative politics is unlikely to suffice under any near-term alignment of power I can foresee — though I dearly hope Congress passes, at the least, the investments and clean energy standards proposed in the American Jobs Plan. I doubt a wave of bombings would accelerate change, and even if I believed otherwise, who am I to tell others to risk those consequences? The pace of renewable technologies has been a welcome surprise, and I would have us spend endless billions on technological moonshots — including nuclear, direct air capture and even geoengineering research. There is nothing we should not prepare to try, but even if we invent the fuels of the future, we will need policymakers to deploy them over the cries of industries that want to profit from the machines and oil wells of the past.

The good news is that the worst of the climate crisis seems less and less likely. We are on track for 3 degrees of warming, measured in Celsius, not 4 or 5. But 3 degrees is still a catastrophe of truly incomprehensible proportions, visited primarily upon the world’s poor by the world’s rich. We are engineering a world that is so much worse than it need be and that will be lethal for untold millions.

“I suspect that human beings will not go extinct from climate change, but I have higher standards than that,” Kate Marvel, a climate scientist at Columbia University, once told me. “I don’t want to just not go extinct. And for me, there’s almost an abdicating of responsibility by saying, ‘Well, we’re not going to do anything about climate change unless it’s going to kill every last one of us.’ Because the things that, for me, are really frightening about climate change are the consequences for human social systems.”

Humanity has spent thousands of years building the social organizations and technological mastery to insulate itself from the whims of nature. We are spending down that inheritance, turning back the clock. I don’t believe this reveals our true preference for the world our descendants will inhabit. I believe it reveals our deeply human inability to take the future as seriously as we take the present.

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Thursday, July 15, 2021 2:03 PM

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Got bored of our conversation, huh?

Yeah. Me too.



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Got bored of our conversation, huh?

Yeah. Me too.

Small Business was slightly more trusted than the military, but Small Business is NOT an Institution because it is millions of businesses, totally disconnected from each other, each with different tradition. You did not really have a valid point. You had an insignificant quibble.

If you really want a silly fight, declare the military is not one institution. There is the Army, Navy, Air Force, Marines, Coast Guard, Space Force! (Trump's), United States Public Health Service Commissioned Corps, NOAA Commissioned Officer Corps. Which of those is the most trusted Institution? Coast Guard. I absolutely trust them to not to fire their ship mounted cannon at the wrong people.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uniformed_services_of_the_United_States

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After two decades of war, the U.S. military is still the most trusted institution in the nation.



Citation needed.

https://news.gallup.com/poll/1597/confidence-institutions.aspx



They didn't bother with the Post Office or Public Library, I see.

Looks like Small Businesses eeks out the win by 3 percentage points over the Military according to those graphs.

Still a pretty sad statistic how much trust Gallup came up with for the Military. I'm thinking once you take out Boomers and the Silent Generation that figure looks more like trust in Congress or the Media.



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Milley repeatedly met in private with the Joint Chiefs. He told them to make sure there were no unlawful orders from Trump and not to carry out any such orders without calling him first — almost a conscious echo of the final days of Richard Nixon, when Nixon’s Defense Secretary, James Schlesinger, reportedly warned the military not to act on any orders from the White House to launch a nuclear strike without first checking with him or with the national-security adviser, Henry Kissinger. At one meeting with the Joint Chiefs, in Milley’s Pentagon office, the chairman invoked Benjamin Franklin’s famous line, saying they should all hang together. To concerned members of Congress — including Speaker Nancy Pelosi and Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell — and also emissaries from the incoming Biden Administration, Milley also put out the word: Trump might attempt a coup, but he would fail because he would never succeed in co-opting the American military. “Our loyalty is to the U.S. Constitution,” Milley told them, and “we are not going to be involved in politics.”

This dangerous post-election period, Milley said, was all because of Trump’s “Hitler”-like embrace of the “Big Lie” that the election had been stolen from him; Milley feared it was Trump’s “Reichstag moment,” in which, like Adolf Hitler in 1933, he would manufacture a crisis in order to swoop in and rescue the nation from it.

On January 6th, a version of Milley’s nightmare scenario played out anyway: an attack on the U.S. Capitol by a pro-Trump mob seeking to stop Congress from ratifying Biden’s victory. Milley had not envisioned it, not exactly — his fears had been largely about street violence, involving running battles between pro-Trump thugs and left-wing opponents that Trump might use as a pretext for demanding martial law. This was the analogy to Germany in the nineteen-thirties that Milley had in mind. When January 6th happened, it wasn’t quite like that, of course. But Milley told others on that awful day that what they had dreaded had come to pass: Trump had his “Reichstag moment” after all.

www.newyorker.com/news/letter-from-bidens-washington/youre-gonna-have-
a-fucking-war-mark-milleys-fight-to-stop-trump-from-striking-iran


January 6th Donald Trump: We will never give up, we will never concede



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Saturday, July 17, 2021 8:28 AM

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Got bored of our conversation, huh?

Yeah. Me too.

Small Business was slightly more trusted than the military, but Small Business is NOT an Institution because it is millions of businesses, totally disconnected from each other, each with different tradition. You did not really have a valid point. You had an insignificant quibble.

If you really want a silly fight, declare the military is not one institution. There is the Army, Navy, Air Force, Marines, Coast Guard, Space Force! (Trump's), United States Public Health Service Commissioned Corps, NOAA Commissioned Officer Corps. Which of those is the most trusted Institution? Coast Guard. I absolutely trust them to not to fire their ship mounted cannon at the wrong people.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uniformed_services_of_the_United_States

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After two decades of war, the U.S. military is still the most trusted institution in the nation.



Citation needed.

https://news.gallup.com/poll/1597/confidence-institutions.aspx



They didn't bother with the Post Office or Public Library, I see.

Looks like Small Businesses eeks out the win by 3 percentage points over the Military according to those graphs.

Still a pretty sad statistic how much trust Gallup came up with for the Military. I'm thinking once you take out Boomers and the Silent Generation that figure looks more like trust in Congress or the Media.



The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly



Gallup put it on the list.

Your Media Gods chose to ignore it. You didn't even know it was there until I brought it up.



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Saturday, July 17, 2021 8:30 AM

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On January 6th, a version of Milley’s nightmare scenario played out anyway: an attack on the U.S. Capitol by a pro-Trump mob seeking to stop Congress from ratifying Biden’s victory. Milley had not envisioned it, not exactly — his fears had been largely about street violence, involving running battles between pro-Trump thugs and left-wing opponents that Trump might use as a pretext for demanding martial law. This was the analogy to Germany in the nineteen-thirties that Milley had in mind. When January 6th happened, it wasn’t quite like that, of course. But Milley told others on that awful day that what they had dreaded had come to pass: Trump had his “Reichstag moment” after all.



Milley didn't even notice CHAZ, or Antifa/BLM rioting in the streets all over the place last year. Or people being shot and robbed every day in every big Democrat ran city in the country.

Nobody takes you seriously because you and the people you follow are not serious people.

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And he who is not sufficiently courageous to defend his soul — don’t let him be proud of his ‘progressive’ views, and don’t let him boast that he is an academician or a people’s artist, a distinguished figure or a general. Let him say to himself: I am a part of the herd and a coward. It’s all the same to me as long as I’m fed and kept warm.

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Milley didn't even notice CHAZ, or Antifa/BLM rioting in the streets all over the place last year. Or people being shot and robbed every day in every big Democrat ran city in the country.

Nobody takes you seriously because you and the people you follow are not serious people.

It is not Milley, but General Milley. Trump repeatedly demanded the military shoot racial-justice protesters and/or bash their heads in. General Mark Milley and Attorney General Bill Barr explained to Trump that they couldn’t “just shoot” people. The president came up with an alternative suggestion. “Well, shoot them in the leg—or maybe the foot,” Trump reportedly said. “But be hard on them!”

Milley and Defense Secretary Mark Esper were concerned that Trump would invoke the Insurrection Act over the protests, which he threatened to do. Such a move would have been wildly out of proportion with what was actually going on, a point Milley tried to stress to Trump using visual aids. Milley spotted President Abraham Lincoln’s portrait hanging just to the right of Trump and pointed directly at it. “That guy had an insurrection,” Milley told Trump. “What we have, Mr. President, is a protest.”

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2021/06/donald-trump-shoot-protestors

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It is not Milley, but General Milley.



Don't give a shit. It's whatever I want to call him.

Its Miley now. And its pronouns are They/Them.

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It is not Milley, but General Milley.



Don't give a shit. It's whatever I want to call him.

Its Miley now. And its pronouns are They/Them.

You and Trump want the General to kill Americans:
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Milley didn't even notice CHAZ, or Antifa/BLM rioting in the streets all over the place last year. Or people being shot and robbed every day in every big Democrat ran city in the country.

Nobody takes you seriously because you and the people you follow are not serious people.

The General won't kill American citizens when Trump or Trumptards have anxiety attacks about crime. I've seen how crazy American soldiers and Trumptards with guns get when they have even a trace of anxiety. They instantaneously leap out of their minds, totally drowning in an interior dialog of fear, that you have to knock them down to get them to stop shooting at civilians. You might recall Kyle Rittenhouse, who is the classic Trumptard with a gun. He was shooting because he is crazy and other Trumptards, equally crazy or more, approve. You Trumptards are too unstable to own guns or be in the military or even vote, and yet you're allowed. Is this not a great country for the retarded and crazy? Yes, it is!

Keep track of Kyle Rittenhouse here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kenosha_unrest_shooting#Responses
Public sentiment regarding the shootings was polarized. Coverage was both critical and supportive of Rittenhouse's actions, and used terms such as "vigilante" and "terrorist", but also "volunteer" and "maintaining peace" to describe him.

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You and Trump want the General to kill Americans:
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Milley didn't even notice CHAZ, or Antifa/BLM rioting in the streets all over the place last year. Or people being shot and robbed every day in every big Democrat ran city in the country.

Nobody takes you seriously because you and the people you follow are not serious people.





Nope. Just pointing out your endless hypocrisy.

You're fucking disgusting.

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You and Trump want the General to kill Americans:
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Milley didn't even notice CHAZ, or Antifa/BLM rioting in the streets all over the place last year. Or people being shot and robbed every day in every big Democrat ran city in the country.

Nobody takes you seriously because you and the people you follow are not serious people.





Nope. Just pointing out your endless hypocrisy.

You're fucking disgusting.

6ix, do you actually think you are communicating sensibly when you use the word hypocrisy? For Trumptards, it's a reflex to strike back with words, like you are farting anger onto your keyboards. You're dumping what you feel in your guts onto the internet. You Trumptards spend too much time with your bowels in an emotional uproar over every little thing; Trump's bowels bother him just as frequently. Trump and Trumptards are the same, stinking up the world's culture with your flatulent words. When Trump told his Generals to kill protestors, the Generals could smell Trump's fear/anger in his words and told Trump to calm himself, but he would not. Trump's bowels keep bothering him:

Trump's Revenge Rally | 9 News Australia: "They're a different breed those Trump supporters." From the other side of the world, Australians can smell the Trumptards' fear and anger.



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Did Trump wish to be President for Life? Yes.
Was Trump mentally capable of organizing a coup to become President for Life? No.

Former national security adviser John Bolton questions whether former President Donald Trump was capable of orchestrating a violent coup.
www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2021/07/16/john-bolton-trump-coup-fascism-
newday-vpx.cnn/video/playlists/this-week-in-politics
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Saturday, July 17, 2021 7:37 PM

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I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Oh yeah, like I'm going to believe Bolton!

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Originally posted by second:
You and Trump want the General to kill Americans:
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Milley didn't even notice CHAZ, or Antifa/BLM rioting in the streets all over the place last year. Or people being shot and robbed every day in every big Democrat ran city in the country.

Nobody takes you seriously because you and the people you follow are not serious people.





Nope. Just pointing out your endless hypocrisy.

You're fucking disgusting.

... You're dumping what you feel in your guts onto the internet. You Trumptards spend too much time with your bowels in an emotional uproar over every little thing...



Look in the mirror, boy.

You are describing your own behavior.

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Saturday, July 17, 2021 8:59 PM

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Oh yeah, like I'm going to believe Bolton!



Second does because it suits him.

He's a hypocrite.


At least when NeoCon Ted is blowing Bolton, we know that NeoCon Ted was always blowing Bolton.

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Saturday, July 17, 2021 9:21 PM

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Speaking of Democrat hypocrites...



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Saturday, July 17, 2021 9:38 PM

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I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


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SIGNYM: Oh yeah, like I'm going to believe Bolton!


SIX: Second does because it suits him.
He's a hypocrite.
At least when NeoCon Ted is blowing Bolton, we know that NeoCon Ted was always blowing Bolton.

HAHAHA! Too true!

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Saturday, July 17, 2021 9:54 PM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Oh yeah, like I'm going to believe Bolton!

There are hundreds of books about Trump. You disbelieve them all? Do you not understand what Trump is? If you believe Trump's description of himself, rather than how Trump acts, you must get cheated by conmen.

These books come at the same time that Republican leaders seem to be doubling down on their recognition that Trump remains the most important leader of the Republican Party. But they -- and all Americans -- should see these accounts as an urgent reminder of recent tumultuous history, and a new warning of the risks that are all too foreseeable, should they help him return to power.

Indeed, absurdly, during Trump's term in office, many Republicans often acted surprised about the former president's behavior. Despite a long-track record and visible history in the public eye, there were expressions of disbelief when Trump used his authority in aggressive fashion to pursue his own political objectives or when he refused to abide by traditional norms of governance.

But none of this should have come as a shock. The way that Trump acted as president fit into well-established patterns of who he was during his days as a controversial, media savvy real estate mogul in New York and as a reality show star who used his platform to, for example, question the birthplace of the nation's first African American president (a claim he later retracted.) Unlike the outsider Jimmy Carter in 1976, for instance, Trump was a well-known commodity. All someone had to do was listen to him demonstrate his values in appearances on the Howard Stern Show or read the New York Post to understand what "The Donald" was all about.

Of course, now the record is even more extensive. There is the entire history of his presidency, during which he was quite transparent about the rules of the office that he thought to be irrelevant to his personal success, and the lengths to which he was willing to go in political combat.

www.cnn.com/2021/07/15/opinions/mccarthy-and-gop-know-just-whats-comin
g-from-trump-zelizer/index.html


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Saturday, July 17, 2021 10:03 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


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SIGNYM:
Oh yeah, like I'm going to believe Bolton!

SECONDRATE: There are hundreds of books about Trump.

what does that have to do with Bolton? Bolton is a known liar and conman himself.

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SECONDRATE: You disbelieve them all?
I haven't even read one, much less "all". How can I evaluate what I haven't even read?

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SECONDRATE: Do you not understand what Trump is? If you believe Trump's description of himself, rather than how Trump acts, you must get cheated by conmen.
I don't believe what Trump says about himself. In fact, I don't even KNOW what Trump says about himself bc I neither listen to nor read about it.

At the same time, I can't avoid reading/hearing what the M$M and DNC and security state say about him, and it's almost 95% lies. So, I for sure don't believe them either. And if YOU do, then YOU'VE been cheated by conmen already. Dupe.



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Sunday, July 18, 2021 12:04 AM

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At least we know that Second isn't paying any of those hacks for their books on Trump.

Second is a Pirate.

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Monday, July 19, 2021 7:06 AM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:

I don't believe what Trump says about himself. In fact, I don't even KNOW what Trump says about himself bc I neither listen to nor read about it.

At the same time, I can't avoid reading/hearing what the M$M and DNC and security state say about him, and it's almost 95% lies. So, I for sure don't believe them either. And if YOU do, then YOU'VE been cheated by conmen already. Dupe.

Listen to Trump and you will come to a conclusion about his tax paying:



Trump never showed any proof from the IRS that there is an audit. He never proved he can't share his returns, either. It is his arbitrary decision to keep his returns a secret. Well, not at all arbitrary because the returns would be proof that he paid taxes. Trump paid no federal income taxes: https://fortune.com/2020/09/27/trump-paid-no-income-taxes/

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Monday, July 19, 2021 7:26 AM

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
At least we know that Second isn't paying any of those hacks for their books on Trump.

Second is a Pirate.

6ix, I am not the pirate who is placing books on https://libgen.unblockit.uno

Thirty years ago, Albert O Hirschman published a short book that infuriated conservatives called The Rhetoric of Reaction. The book showed how conservative arguments across time and space fell into three rhetorical buckets:

(1) the perversity thesis, whereby any action to improve some feature of the political, social, or economic order is alleged to result in the exact opposite of what was intended;

(2) the futility thesis, which predicts that attempts at social transformation will produce no effects whatever -- will simply be incapable of making a dent in the status quo;

(3) the jeopardy thesis, holding that the cost of the proposed reform is unacceptable because it will endanger previous hard-won accomplishments (the opposite of futility, but who cares about consistency).

As well as being a great summer read, Hirschman’s rhetoric continues to shed a useful light on the present conservative obsessions.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/jul/15/why-does-inflati
on-worry-the-right-so-much


To show how advocates of reactionary causes are caught by compelling reflexes and lumber predictably through set motions and maneuvers does not in itself refute the arguments, of course; but it does have a number of fairly corrosive consequences.

Free download of The Rhetoric of Reaction from the mirrors at
https://libgen.unblockit.uno/search.php?req=The+Rhetoric+of+Reaction

The epub version of The Rhetoric of Reaction: Perversity, Futility, Jeopardy
https://libgen.unblockit.uno/libraryp2/main/2D9774612D58CD334583B485FE
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Monday, July 19, 2021 8:26 AM

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Click those links at your own risk.



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Click those links at your own risk.

Affected with paranoia, 6ix?

The Paranoid Style in American Politics
By Richard Hofstadter†

Harper’s Magazine, November 1964, pp. 77-86.

It had been around a long time before the Radical Right discovered it—and its targets have ranged from “the international bankers” to Masons, Jesuits, and munitions makers.

American politics has often been an arena for angry minds. In recent years we have seen angry minds at work mainly among extreme right-wingers, who have now demonstrated in the Goldwater movement how much political leverage can be got out of the animosities and passions of a small minority. But behind this I believe there is a style of mind that is far from new and that is not necessarily right-wind. I call it the paranoid style simply because no other word adequately evokes the sense of heated exaggeration, suspiciousness, and conspiratorial fantasy that I have in mind. In using the expression “paranoid style” I am not speaking in a clinical sense, but borrowing a clinical term for other purposes. I have neither the competence nor the desire to classify any figures of the past or present as certifiable lunatics. In fact, the idea of the paranoid style as a force in politics would have little contemporary relevance or historical value if it were applied only to men with profoundly disturbed minds. It is the use of paranoid modes of expression by more or less normal people that makes the phenomenon significant.

Of course this term is pejorative, and it is meant to be; the paranoid style has a greater affinity for bad causes than good. But nothing really prevents a sound program or demand from being advocated in the paranoid style. Style has more to do with the way in which ideas are believed than with the truth or falsity of their content. I am interested here in getting at our political psychology through our political rhetoric. The paranoid style is an old and recurrent phenomenon in our public life which has been frequently linked with movements of suspicious discontent.

Here is Senator McCarthy, speaking in June 1951 about the parlous situation of the United States:

How can we account for our present situation unless we believe that men high in this government are concerting to deliver us to disaster? This must be the product of a great conspiracy on a scale so immense as to dwarf any previous such venture in the history of man. A conspiracy of infamy so black that, which it is finally exposed, its principals shall be forever deserving of the maledictions of all honest men....What can be made of this unbroken series of decisions and acts contributing to the strategy of defeat? They cannot be attributed to incompetence....The laws of probability would dictate that part of...the decisions would serve the country’s interest.

More at https://web.archive.org/web/20170116220729/http://www.fuminyang.com/mi
chelle/Paranoid%20Style.pdf


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Monday, July 19, 2021 9:45 PM

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Click those links at your own risk.

Affected with paranoia, 6ix?




No. I just don't click strange links like the rest of you dummies do, and a Google search says that libgen.unblockit is untrustworthy/unsafe.

Not that I trust Google any more or less than I do you, or Snopes, or NYT, etc... but the ROI for clicking a shady link that YOU post to grab a book I'm never going to read is zero, so better safe than sorry isn't even a question here.

Especially when I already know of places that I trust to find things I'm looking for.



P.S. If you ever do manage to find Antiracist Baby for me, trust that I'll be grabbing that link from a virtual session within a virtual session and then subsequently setting that virtual install on fire after I've got the book.



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Tuesday, July 20, 2021 12:03 AM

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P.S. If you ever do manage to find Antiracist Baby for me, trust that I'll be grabbing that link from a virtual session within a virtual session and then subsequently setting that virtual install on fire after I've got the book.

You cannot properly mock the book without a paper copy to rip pages out of. Amazon will let you look inside the book before you buy. Or return it after you buy:
https://www.amazon.com/Antiracist-Baby-Picture-Ibram-Kendi/dp/05931105
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Tuesday, July 20, 2021 9:55 AM

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Republicans Have Taken a Brave Stand in Defense of Tax Cheats

Texas Sen. Ted Cruz, for instance, merely offered that “throwing billions more taxpayer dollars at the IRS will only hurt Americans struggling to recover after waves of devastating lockdowns” and that “Instead of increasing funding for the IRS, we should abolish the damn place.” Again, the people currently not being audited are the wealthiest Americans who endured a year of lockdowns just fine, but thanks, Ted.

Rob Portman, the GOP senator from Ohio, announced that the bipartisan infrastructure package that lawmakers have been haggling over for months would not include a proposal to raise revenue by boosting funding for the Internal Revenue Service. The deal’s original outline would have provided $40 billion to help the agency collect more of the taxes that Americans fail to pay each year. But after a rebellion by conservative activist groups, Republicans got cold feet about the idea. Now, they have officially nixed it.

IRS Commissioner Charles Rettig testified earlier this year that the government may be failing to collect more than $1 trillion of the taxes it is owed annually, up from the previous official estimate of $441 billion per year.

Republicans have showed their core philosophy when it comes to taxes. The party doesn’t just believe taxes should be low. They believe paying them should be optional.

In the late 1990s, Republicans held an explosive series of hearings in which IRS agents were accused of committing grotesque abuses against taxpayers and engaging in “gestapo-like tactics.” Many of the stories turned out to be simply untrue, as a report by the General Accountability Office later revealed. One crucial witness, who among other things claimed tax agents had raided his restaurant at gunpoint and knocked his 12-year-old son to the floor, was forced to recant his story when it fell apart during a lawsuit. But the hearings led to a major 1998 reform bill that reorganized the IRS and limited its enforcement tactics.

Tea Party groups accused the IRS of singling them out for politically motivated audits. The accusations generated an enormous, years-long scandal that embedded itself into conservative lore. It also turned out to be wholly untrue—a Treasury Department report eventually revealed that the IRS had been scrutinizing both progressive and conservative groups over potential tax violations. But the GOP used it as an excuse to eviscerate the IRS’ budget.

More at https://slate.com/business/2021/07/republicans-taxes-irs-bipartisan-in
frastructure.html


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Tuesday, July 20, 2021 6:51 PM

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When Trump was president, Republicans raised taxes on the middle class and lowered them for the rich

https://jabberwocking.com/when-trump-was-president-republicans-raised-
taxes-on-the-middle-class-and-lowered-them-for-the-rich
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Tuesday, July 20, 2021 9:39 PM

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When Trump was president, Republicans raised taxes on the middle class and lowered them for the rich

https://jabberwocking.com/when-trump-was-president-republicans-raised-
taxes-on-the-middle-class-and-lowered-them-for-the-rich
/

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When Biden* was president, Democrats raised taxes on the middle class and gave it to the poor.

http://fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=64455

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Tuesday, July 20, 2021 9:41 PM

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P.S. If you ever do manage to find Antiracist Baby for me, trust that I'll be grabbing that link from a virtual session within a virtual session and then subsequently setting that virtual install on fire after I've got the book.

You cannot properly mock the book without a paper copy to rip pages out of. Amazon will let you look inside the book before you buy. Or return it after you buy:
https://www.amazon.com/Antiracist-Baby-Picture-Ibram-Kendi/dp/05931105
01
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I'm doing a killer photoshop job on the high quality pages I managed to find.

But a book this cringe only comes around once a generation and needs to be fully parodied.

I'm not going to buy it though.



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Thursday, July 22, 2021 8:27 AM

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Quote:

Originally posted by second:
When Trump was president, Republicans raised taxes on the middle class and lowered them for the rich

https://jabberwocking.com/when-trump-was-president-republicans-raised-
taxes-on-the-middle-class-and-lowered-them-for-the-rich
/

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When Biden* was president, Democrats raised taxes on the middle class and gave it to the poor.

http://fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=64455

You are bothered by, and I am quoting you on the child credit:
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4. It lowered the caps on income by A LOT. Instead of the cap being at $400,000 for married couples, it's only $150,000 now. A lot less people are going to get this credit next year, and they will be the ones subsidizing this for the most part.
How many people make more than $150,000 in every US state? According to the US Census Bureau, only 5.5% of West Virginia households make over $150,000, while 21.3% of New Jerseyans earn at least that much.
https://www.visualcapitalist.com/household-income-distribution-u-s-sta
te
/

6ix, you are the same as every Trumptard I know. When you can find a way, you cheat on taxes. When you can't find a way, you bitch and moan.


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Thursday, July 22, 2021 9:47 AM

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Originally posted by second:
Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
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Originally posted by second:
When Trump was president, Republicans raised taxes on the middle class and lowered them for the rich

https://jabberwocking.com/when-trump-was-president-republicans-raised-
taxes-on-the-middle-class-and-lowered-them-for-the-rich
/

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When Biden* was president, Democrats raised taxes on the middle class and gave it to the poor.

http://fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=64455

You are bothered by, and I am quoting you on the child credit:
Quote:

4. It lowered the caps on income by A LOT. Instead of the cap being at $400,000 for married couples, it's only $150,000 now. A lot less people are going to get this credit next year, and they will be the ones subsidizing this for the most part.
How many people make more than $150,000 in every US state? According to the US Census Bureau, only 5.5% of West Virginia households make over $150,000, while 21.3% of New Jerseyans earn at least that much.
https://www.visualcapitalist.com/household-income-distribution-u-s-sta
te
/

6ix, you are the same as every Trumptard I know. When you can find a way, you cheat on taxes. When you can't find a way, you bitch and moan.



Prime example of 2 + 2 = 5.

I have no kids. Even if I did, I'm so far below $150,000 income that the change wouldn't have negatively impacted me anyhow.

Furthermore, I'm wondering if you consider the Child Tax Credit "cheating". That seems to be what you're insinuating.

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Thursday, July 22, 2021 10:06 AM

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
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Originally posted by second:

6ix, you are the same as every Trumptard I know. When you can find a way, you cheat on taxes. When you can't find a way, you bitch and moan.

Prime example of 2 + 2 = 5.

I have no kids. Even if I did, I'm so far below $150,000 income that the change wouldn't have negatively impacted me anyhow.

Furthermore, I'm wondering if you consider the Child Tax Credit "cheating". That seems to be what you're insinuating.

Prime example of 2 + 2 = 5: When the IRS started requiring Social Security numbers for each child getting a tax credit, 7,000,000 "children" vanished from America. The worst kidnapping wave in history? Hardly. The thought of being caught was enough to stop at least part of the cheating. 2 + 2 = 5: The IRS did not even have to check the Social Security numbers and file millions of lawsuits to collect $billions in unpaid taxes.

Disappearing Dependents:
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/declaration-of-non-dependents/

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Thursday, July 22, 2021 10:33 AM

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Originally posted by second:
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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
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Originally posted by second:

6ix, you are the same as every Trumptard I know. When you can find a way, you cheat on taxes. When you can't find a way, you bitch and moan.

Prime example of 2 + 2 = 5.

I have no kids. Even if I did, I'm so far below $150,000 income that the change wouldn't have negatively impacted me anyhow.

Furthermore, I'm wondering if you consider the Child Tax Credit "cheating". That seems to be what you're insinuating.




Stay on topic.

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And he who is not sufficiently courageous to defend his soul — don’t let him be proud of his ‘progressive’ views, and don’t let him boast that he is an academician or a people’s artist, a distinguished figure or a general. Let him say to himself: I am a part of the herd and a coward. It’s all the same to me as long as I’m fed and kept warm.

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The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two


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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

Stay on topic.

6ix said the topic is:
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When Biden* was president, Democrats raised taxes on the middle class and gave it to the poor.

I showed 6ix with figures and references that he is WRONG and I proved that:
When Trump was president, Republicans raised taxes on the middle class and gave it to the rich.

6ix won't admit he is wrong. Characteristically, Trumptards cannot correct themselves. Because they can't, life is a long struggle for them since conmen and businessmen know how to outwit them by stealth-fully taking away their money when they make purchases and sign contracts and are hired for jobs that are dull and often routine, with a narrow path for a few of them to a better job.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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