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Monday, May 31, 2021 7:35 AM
SECOND
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two
Quote:Originally posted by 6ixStringJack: You are a liar. And a very poor one at that. Anybody can pretend that they're rich. Just don't go telling people to kill themselves and Haken won't have to ban you like he did your Communist sock puppet.
Monday, May 31, 2021 7:38 AM
Quote:Originally posted by 6ixStringJack: You are a liar. And a very poor one at that. Anybody can pretend that they're rich. Just don't go telling people to kill themselves and Haken won't have to ban you like he did your Communist sock puppet. -------------------------------------------------- Give me liberty or just come shoot me in my house. I'm so over this ridiculous reality.
Monday, May 31, 2021 8:31 AM
6IXSTRINGJACK
Tuesday, June 1, 2021 1:03 PM
Tuesday, June 1, 2021 1:18 PM
Quote:Originally posted by 6ixStringJack: I'm not a Republican, and I haven't lost my mind.
Wednesday, June 2, 2021 7:16 AM
Thursday, June 3, 2021 7:32 AM
Thursday, June 3, 2021 7:59 AM
Quote:Originally posted by second: Quote:Originally posted by 6ixStringJack: I'm not a Republican, and I haven't lost my mind.Are you an Independent? An "Independent" who votes almost exclusively for Republicans is not independent. Technical Note: Voting for 3rd party candidates doesn't make you "Independent" because voting for candidates who can't win is effectively the same as you can't vote.
Thursday, June 3, 2021 8:01 AM
Quote:Originally posted by second: How Authoritarianism Spread And The U.S. Faltered As A Model For Democracy
Friday, June 4, 2021 6:26 AM
Quote:Originally posted by 6ixStringJack: Quote:Originally posted by second: How Authoritarianism Spread And The U.S. Faltered As A Model For Democracy If you have a problem with Authoritarianism, fix your fucking party. And then tell them to go after Big Tech. -------------------------------------------------- Give me liberty or just come shoot me in my house. I'm so over this ridiculous reality.
Friday, June 4, 2021 8:37 AM
Quote:Originally posted by 6ixStringJack: I vote for whoever I like. I've voted for a lot of Democrats in my life. I still do to this day, particularly on the local level. I benefit from living in a state where the Democrats are centrists, and not insane fringe Leftists like in California, New York and Illinois. It just so happens that in the last decade I vote for more Republicans than Democrats. But I sure as hell wasn't going to vote for a Democrat for Indiana Governor last time... Not in 2020, but Holcomb has to go. Rainwater, the Libertarian candidate got 11.4% of the vote this time, which was up nearly 8% from what the Libertarian got the prior election.
Friday, June 4, 2021 11:54 AM
Quote:Originally posted by second: Quote:Originally posted by 6ixStringJack: I vote for whoever I like. Quote:What does the word "like" mean for you, 6ix,
Quote:Originally posted by 6ixStringJack: I vote for whoever I like.
Quote:What does the word "like" mean for you, 6ix,
Quote:because you can't know a politician well enough to "like" them socially.
Friday, June 4, 2021 12:33 PM
Quote:Originally posted by 6ixStringJack: I'm so over this ridiculous reality.
Friday, June 4, 2021 3:04 PM
SIGNYM
I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.
Quote:Originally posted by second: Quote:Originally posted by 6ixStringJack: I'm so over this ridiculous reality.If you're anything like Texas Trumptards, you've avoided the reality about yourself all your life, except when reality punches your face or stabs you in the back or rots out your teeth. Most Trumptards, almost without exception, say things are going well. 6ix says it. I'd believe 6ix, except for the Trumptards I know things are NOT going well. Why do Trumptards say what is false? Maybe they don't know any better? Maybe nobody can convince them to stop? Trump knows perfectly well his Trumptards cared very little about the truth or about honestly paying their taxes. I'm certain, from decades of experience with them in war and peace and business, that Trumptards will do what pleases them and the results will often be crappy, but they can't tell the difference because they aren't as smart and sane as they imagine themselves, avoiding reality. It's why Trumptards struggle to stay in the middle class. Avoiding reality. It's why things are forever going wrong in their lives and it couldn't be their fault. It's the Democrats' fault! Always those mean Democrats triggering Trumptards' anger at the world and reality! The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
Saturday, June 5, 2021 7:07 AM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: Could say the same about a lot of minority "communities" and post-reality libtards living in mom and dad's basement, with useless psychology degrees and a lot of student loan debt.
Monday, June 7, 2021 9:20 AM
Monday, June 7, 2021 9:42 AM
Quote:SIGNYM: Could say the same about a lot of minority "communities" and post-reality libtards living in mom and dad's basement, with useless psychology degrees and a lot of student loan debt. SECPMDRATE: You could say a lot of things, and Trumptards do because it's one of their defining characteristics, but you'd be trying to mislead.
Quote: SECONDRATE: This is true: Once again, America is becoming a nation of drunks ... American ... drinking heavily... Mayflower .... beer... RUM... ... George Washington ... alcohol...blah blah blah ... and let me toss in a few more distrators so I can avoid having to address SIGNY'S point as much as possible ... American ... alcohol ...
Monday, June 7, 2021 10:59 AM
Wednesday, June 9, 2021 6:34 AM
Thursday, June 10, 2021 8:05 AM
Thursday, June 10, 2021 8:16 AM
Quote:Originally posted by second: These myths about Social Security are drawing attention from what’s really going on Talking with family and friends, listening to cable news or following public debate about the future of Social Security, you’ve likely heard one or more of the following comments asserted as incontrovertible fact: Social Security is going bankrupt, going broke, in crisis; young people will never see a penny in benefits. Social Security’s trust funds are simply an accounting gimmick, worthless IOUs. Social Security is unsustainable. There just will not be enough working-age people to support retired boomers. Social Security is unfair to younger Americans. Here is a point-by-point refutation of each of these assertions and how these claims undermine confidence in the future of Social Security and distract attention from what is really going on. More at https://www.marketwatch.com/story/these-myths-about-social-security-are-drawing-attention-from-whats-really-going-on-11622834550 The article does not say but the spreaders of these myths are Trumptards. I wonder what happened to those who lean Republican, even if they don’t always vote for only Republicans, to make them this way? The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
Thursday, June 10, 2021 10:14 AM
Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: Shut up Boomer. Your generation paid half what mine will, and your parents didn't pay shit into it.
Thursday, June 10, 2021 10:21 AM
Quote:Originally posted by second: Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: Shut up Boomer. Your generation paid half what mine will, and your parents didn't pay shit into it.I've have been paying into Social Security since I was a 13 year old working for my father at Burger King in 1965. Except for then and in the military and a half year in the VA hospital and then another year back at Burger King working for my father, again, as a full grown adult and then summer work in college, I have always paid the maximum amount into Social Security. I will get the maximum payment back from Social Security, too, a lousy $3,895 per month when I turn 70 in 2022. I will have to live to be about 110 to get back all the money I paid into Social Security. It is a program to support poor white trash Trumptards like you, 6ix. They are the ones who are getting a cheap ride. They are also the ones spreading falsehoods about Social Security. https://www.ssa.gov/oact/cola/cbb.html https://www.ssa.gov/oact/cola/examplemax.html (By the way I will still be paying into SS after I "retire" because I will still be working. You should try working, 6ix. It will get you out of the house more often.) The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
Friday, June 11, 2021 7:48 AM
Friday, June 11, 2021 9:17 AM
Monday, June 14, 2021 7:17 AM
Monday, June 14, 2021 8:42 AM
Tuesday, June 15, 2021 6:30 AM
Tuesday, June 15, 2021 9:07 AM
Tuesday, June 15, 2021 10:00 AM
Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: Guess you're not getting your court packed either, huh? Biden* isn't doing anything he told you he was going to do, is he? -------------------------------------------------- Give me liberty or just come shoot me in my house. I'm so over this ridiculous reality.
Tuesday, June 15, 2021 3:24 PM
Quote:Originally posted by second: Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: Guess you're not getting your court packed either, huh? Biden* isn't doing anything he told you he was going to do, is he? -------------------------------------------------- Give me liberty or just come shoot me in my house. I'm so over this ridiculous reality.McConnell’s move, like everything he does, is calculated. First of all, it helps unite a fractious Republican base, which cares deeply about conservative jurists – and views McConnell’s blocking of Merrick Garland in 2016 as a moment of triumph. Second, it is likely to stir up the Democratic base – and confirm that Breyer needs to retire and Biden needs to fill the opening created ASAP. Which could well impact Breyer’s ultimate decision. Breyer may announce at the end of this term – which will be at the end of this month – that he is retiring. He'll be 83 in August. But if he decides to stay on an extra year so that he can be another Ruth Bader Ginsburg dying on the job, the fight for control of the Senate next year will have epically large stakes in the Supreme Court. The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
Wednesday, June 16, 2021 8:16 AM
Thursday, June 17, 2021 3:58 AM
Quote:Originally posted by second: A character in Jonathan Franzen’s 2010 novel, Freedom, puts it this way: “If you don’t have money, you cling to your freedoms all the more angrily. Even if smoking kills you, even if you can’t afford to feed your kids, even if your kids are getting shot down by maniacs with assault rifles. You may be poor, but the one thing nobody can take away from you is the freedom to fuck up your life.” How America Fractured Into Four Parts People in the United States no longer agree on the nation’s purpose, values, history, or meaning. Is reconciliation possible? Nations, like individuals, tell stories in order to understand what they are, where they come from, and what they want to be. National narratives, like personal ones, are prone to sentimentality, grievance, pride, shame, self-blindness. There is never just one—they compete and constantly change. The most durable narratives are not the ones that stand up best to fact-checking. They’re the ones that address our deepest needs and desires. Americans know by now that democracy depends on a baseline of shared reality—when facts become fungible, we’re lost. But just as no one can live a happy and productive life in nonstop self-criticism, nations require more than facts—they need stories that convey a moral identity. The long gaze in the mirror has to end in self-respect or it will swallow us up. Tracing the evolution of these narratives can tell you something about a nation’s possibilities for change. Through much of the 20th century, the two political parties had clear identities and told distinct stories. The Republicans spoke for those who wanted to get ahead, and the Democrats spoke for those who wanted a fair shake. Republicans emphasized individual enterprise, and Democrats emphasized social solidarity, eventually including Black people and abandoning the party’s commitment to Jim Crow. But, unlike today, the two parties were arguing over the same recognizable country. This arrangement held until the late ’60s—still within living memory. The two parties reflected a society that was less free than today, less tolerant, and far less diverse, with fewer choices, but with more economic equality, more shared prosperity, and more political cooperation. Liberal Republicans and conservative Democrats played important roles in their respective parties. Americans then were more uniform than we are in what they ate (tuna noodle casserole) and what they watched (Bullitt). Even their bodies looked more alike. They were more restrained than we are, more repressed—though restraint and repression were coming undone by 1968. Since then, the two parties have just about traded places. By the turn of the millennium, the Democrats were becoming the home of affluent professionals, while the Republicans were starting to sound like populist insurgents. We have to understand this exchange in order to grasp how we got to where we are. The 1970s ended postwar, bipartisan, middle-class America, and with it the two relatively stable narratives of getting ahead and the fair shake. In their place, four rival narratives have emerged, four accounts of America’s moral identity. They have roots in history, but they are shaped by new ways of thinking and living. They reflect schisms on both sides of the divide that has made us two countries, extending and deepening the lines of fracture. Over the past four decades, the four narratives have taken turns exercising influence. They overlap, morph into one another, attract and repel one another. None can be understood apart from the others, because all four emerge from the same whole. Part 1 about How America Fractured Into Four Parts. Call the first narrative “Free America.” In the past half century it’s been the most politically powerful of the four. Free America draws on libertarian ideas, which it installs in the high-powered engine of consumer capitalism. The freedom it champions is very different from Alexis de Tocqueville’s art of self-government. It’s personal freedom, without other people—the negative liberty of “Don’t tread on me.” More about fractured American Parts 1, 2, 3, and 4 at https://web.archive.org/web/20210609154909if_/https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2021/07/george-packer-four-americas/619012/ Impatient readers jump to the end of the essay: All four narratives are also driven by a competition for status that generates fierce anxiety and resentment. They all anoint winners and losers. In Free America, the winners are the makers, and the losers are the takers who want to drag the rest down in perpetual dependency on a smothering government. In Smart America, the winners are the credentialed meritocrats, and the losers are the poorly educated who want to resist inevitable progress. In Real America, the winners are the hardworking folk of the white Christian heartland, and the losers are treacherous elites and contaminating others who want to destroy the country. In Just America, the winners are the marginalized groups, and the losers are the dominant groups that want to go on dominating. . . . we remain trapped in two countries. Each one is split by two narratives—Smart and Just on one side, Free and Real on the other. Neither separation nor conquest is a tenable future. The tensions within each country will persist even as the cold civil war between them rages on. This essay is adapted from George Packer’s new book, Last Best Hope: America in Crisis and Renewal https://us.macmillan.com/books/9780374603663 Free download of George Packer’s books at https://libgen.unblockit.li/search.php?&req=George+Packer&phrase=1&view=simple&column=def&sort=year&sortmode=DESC "Last Best Hope" isn't there quite yet because it is On Sale: 06/15/2021, while today is 06/11/2021. The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
Thursday, June 17, 2021 5:31 AM
Thursday, June 17, 2021 9:15 AM
1KIKI
Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.
Quote:Just popping this up for discussion. Those four parts don't necessarily collide; they're not mutually exclusive. This is just another brainiac-sounding way to divide people up even further. ----------- Pity would be no more, If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake THUGR posts about Putin so much, he must be in love.
Thursday, June 17, 2021 2:03 PM
Quote:SECOND: How America Fractured Into Four Parts People in the United States no longer agree on the nation’s purpose, values, history, or meaning. Is reconciliation possible? Nations, like individuals, tell stories in order to understand what they are, where they come from, and what they want to be. National narratives, like personal ones, are prone to sentimentality, grievance, pride, shame, self-blindness. There is never just one—they compete and constantly change. The most durable narratives are not the ones that stand up best to fact-checking. They’re the ones that address our deepest needs and desires. Americans know by now that democracy depends on a baseline of shared reality—when facts become fungible, we’re lost. But just as no one can live a happy and productive life in nonstop self-criticism, nations require more than facts—they need stories that convey a moral identity. The long gaze in the mirror has to end in self-respect or it will swallow us up. Since then, the two parties have just about traded places. By the turn of the millennium, the Democrats were becoming the home of affluent professionals, while the Republicans were starting to sound like populist insurgents. We have to understand this exchange in order to grasp how we got to where we are. The 1970s ended postwar, bipartisan, middle-class America, and with it the two relatively stable narratives of getting ahead and the fair shake. In their place, four rival narratives have emerged, four accounts of America’s moral identity. They have roots in history, but they are shaped by new ways of thinking and living. They reflect schisms on both sides of the divide that has made us two countries, extending and deepening the lines of fracture. Over the past four decades, the four narratives have taken turns exercising influence. They overlap, morph into one another, attract and repel one another. None can be understood apart from the others, because all four emerge from the same whole. ... More about fractured American Parts 1, 2, 3, and 4 at https://web.archive.org/web/20210609154909if_/https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2021/07/george-packer-four-americas/619012/ Impatient readers jump to the end of the essay: All four narratives are also driven by a competition for status that generates fierce anxiety and resentment. They all anoint winners and losers. In Free America, the winners are the makers, and the losers are the takers who want to drag the rest down in perpetual dependency on a smothering government. In Smart America, the winners are the credentialed meritocrats, and the losers are the poorly educated who want to resist inevitable progress. In Real America, the winners are the hardworking folk of the white Christian heartland, and the losers are treacherous elites and contaminating others who want to destroy the country. In Just America, the winners are the marginalized groups, and the losers are the dominant groups that want to go on dominating. . . . we remain trapped in two countries. Each one is split by two narratives—Smart and Just on one side, Free and Real on the other. Neither separation nor conquest is a tenable future. The tensions within each country will persist even as the cold civil war between them rages on. This essay is adapted from George Packer’s new book, Last Best Hope: America in Crisis and Renewal https://us.macmillan.com/books/9780374603663 SECOND: Just popping this up for discussion. Those four parts don't necessarily collide; they're not mutually exclusive. This is just another brainiac-sounding way to divide people up even further.
Thursday, June 17, 2021 2:43 PM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: People work for reward. Our old narratives are breaking down because we are actually living in the realm of a FIFTH narrative, one which the elites have been steadily imposing on us for decades, and that is WORK DOESN'T PAY. BECOME A CONSUMER/USELESS EATER. GO INTO DEBT. WHINGE ABOUT "OTHERS" HAVING MORE PRIVILEGE. . . .
Thursday, June 17, 2021 3:13 PM
Thursday, June 17, 2021 3:18 PM
Thursday, June 17, 2021 3:47 PM
Quote:Originally posted by 1KIKI: How about - yanno - basic and advanced INDUSTRY? Like steel manufacturing and chip fabrication? Textiles and rare earth mining? What's that, you say? That would mean government would have to get its sticky fingers into PRIVATE INDUSTRIES - like, maybe, yours? ... Because industries are no longer serving the country or its people?
Thursday, June 17, 2021 6:11 PM
Thursday, June 17, 2021 6:52 PM
Quote:Originally posted by 1KIKI: And what if the government were to set internal and export gas prices, to benefit US-based industries? So that your industry would benefit US manufacturing and US workers instead of just ... you? I'm sure there's a reason why you didn't address basic manufacturing in your answer tho Signy specifically mentioned it; and why focused on government projects. And I'm pretty sure that was intentional, and self-serving.
Thursday, June 17, 2021 7:35 PM
Thursday, June 17, 2021 8:25 PM
Quote: 1KIKI: How about - yanno - basic and advanced INDUSTRY? Like steel manufacturing and chip fabrication? Textiles and rare earth mining? What's that, you say? That would mean government would have to get its sticky fingers into PRIVATE INDUSTRIES - like, maybe, yours? ... Because industries are no longer serving the country or its people? SECOND: Don't blame me. I was a construction engineer building petrochemical plants here and overseas. After that, I was selling natural gas and cattle in America. All those careers are based in the U.S.A. Product is made here, or grown here, and sold here or to foreigners.
Thursday, June 17, 2021 9:21 PM
Thursday, June 17, 2021 9:23 PM
Quote:Originally posted by second: I will show you a map to my life:
Thursday, June 17, 2021 9:32 PM
Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: lol $3.30 for gas today. Welcome to Biden*'s America. Dems will be out next year, and Biden* will be out on his ass in 2024. -------------------------------------------------- Give me liberty or just come shoot me in my house. I'm so over this ridiculous reality.
Thursday, June 17, 2021 9:36 PM
Quote:If the government blah blah blah ... Trump ... blah blah blah ... Trump .. blah blah blah ... Trump ... Trump ...
Thursday, June 17, 2021 9:37 PM
Quote:Originally posted by second: Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: lol $3.30 for gas today. Welcome to Biden*'s America. Dems will be out next year, and Biden* will be out on his ass in 2024. -------------------------------------------------- Give me liberty or just come shoot me in my house. I'm so over this ridiculous reality.Presidents don't control gasoline prices:
Friday, June 18, 2021 12:47 AM
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