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U.S. Chamber of Commerce: Trump's actions have 'no place in a free and democratic society'

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Sunday, January 17, 2021 10:56 AM

Grow up Ted.

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Sunday, January 17, 2021 1:56 PM

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Sunday, January 17, 2021 1:59 PM

^ Idiot.

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Monday, January 18, 2021 6:48 AM

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The second presidential impeachment of Donald Trump was “the most bipartisan impeachment in American history.”

PolitiFact rating: True. Trump’s second impeachment attracted more bipartisan support — 10 GOP floor votes in favor — than the impeachments of Andrew Johnson or Bill Clinton, or Trump’s first impeachment.

1) The impeachment of Andrew Johnson

When Johnson was impeached in 1868, no Democrat in the House supported the overall floor vote to impeach. In that vote, all but two Republicans voted for impeachment. The House went on to pass 11 specific articles of impeachment, along largely party-line votes. (Johnson was chosen as Lincoln's second V.P. in order to get votes from the few slave states that did not join the Confederacy. Johnson was a slave-owner and a "Democrat"*. Lincoln believed Johnson, as V.P., could appease slave-owners. Lincoln's plan failed because, once he was President, Johnson undid the hard work of Lincoln and the Northern Armies by granting pardons to all Southern slave-owners for their crimes against the United States.)

2) The impeachment of Bill Clinton

The impeachment of Bill Clinton in 1998 attracted less bipartisan support for the two of the four articles approved by the Judiciary Committee that went on to win approval on the House floor.

3) The first impeachment of Donald Trump

Article 1 against Trump in 2019 addressed abuse of power, focusing on Trump’s alleged efforts to strong-arm Ukraine into investigating Joe Biden. The article passed the Judiciary Committee on a party-line vote.

Article 2 focused on Trump’s efforts to block cooperation with Congress on its impeachment inquiry. This passed the Judiciary Committee by an identical party-line vote.

4) The impeachment effort against Richard Nixon

The impeachment of President Richard Nixon in 1974 didn’t make it to the House floor because Nixon resigned first. So it’s not directly comparable. But we can look at what happened in the House Judiciary Committee when it approved three articles of impeachment against Nixon.

Article 1, which focused on obstruction of justice, won support from six Republican committee members as well as all Democrats. That was about one-third of Republicans on the committee.

Article 2, which focused on abuse of power, also secured the support of six Republican committee members in addition to all Democrats.

Article 3, which focused on obstruction of Congress, received less bipartisan support, even though it passed the committee. This article saw two Democratic defections and only two Republicans joining with the Democratic majority.

Such votes make Nixon’s impeachment the previous high-water mark for bipartisanship, though again it’s not a case of apples-to-apples since we’ll never know what the floor vote would have looked like. That said, the number of committee Republicans joining Democrats for the Nixon impeachment was smaller than the number of overall House Republicans backing Trump’s second impeachment.

https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2021/jan/13/jake-tapper/how-bipa
rtisan-was-vote-impeach-donald-trump-histo/

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Monday, January 18, 2021 9:07 AM

US election misinformation ‘decreased by 73%’ after Donald Trump’s social media suspension

US election fraud misinformation has fallen by 73 per cent following the suspension of Donald Trump and key allies from Twitter and other social media platforms, a new study has found.

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/money/technology/us-election-misinformation-
decreased-by-73-after-donald-trump-s-social-media-suspension/ar-BB1cRdEH

And that's how it's done. Stop the lie

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Monday, January 18, 2021 9:13 AM

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“insurrections, treason, and the pardon power”

The Insurrectionists from January 6 are already asking Trump for pardons. Probably the only thing that would hold him back from doing so is his innate selfishness: what would be the benefit to *him*?

The thought that Trump could issue Got Out of Jail Free cards to the very people he incited to riot is mind boggling.

But it’s at least possible that he might not have the right to do so.

Article III, Section 2 of the Constitution provides that “The President … shall have the power to grant] reprieves and pardons for offenses against the United States, EXCEPT IN CASES OF IMPEACHMENT.”

That last bit isn’t just my emphasis. It’s also the emphasis placed on the quote in the discussion of the President’s pardoning power in The Federalist No. 74, which also discusses the right of the President to issue pardons in the cases of sedition and treason.

Federalist No. 74 envisions the President intervening in moments of societal peril so that “a well-timed offer of pardon to the insurgents or rebels may restore the tranquillity of the commonwealth.” While certainly not exactly on point, this is akin to Jimmy Carter’s pardon of Vietnam War draft dodgers – an attempt to heal a festering rift in society. www.justice.gov/pardon/vietnam-war-era-pardon-instructions

In the hypothetical noted by the Federalist papers, it defuses an imminent rupture. But that is exactly opposite to the case where the sedition has occurred precisely *because* of incendiary actions of the very President himself. In this case, take out Trump’s own incitement, and there is no riot or sedition.

Below is the entirety of the relevant discussion from Federalist No. 74:

More at https://angrybearblog.com/2021/01/insurrections-treason-and-the-pardon
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Wednesday, January 20, 2021 5:30 AM

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Monday, January 25, 2021 4:52 PM

Capitol rioter Garret Miller says he was following Trump's orders, apologizes to AOC for threat

A Texas man charged with invading the Capitol and threatening Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez said Monday that he was effectively following then-President Donald Trump's orders when he joined a mob that stormed Congress on Jan. 6

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/capitol-rioter-garret-miller-s
ays-he-was-following-trump-s-orders-apologizes-to-aoc-for-threat/ar-BB1d59HF?ocid=msedgdhp

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Monday, January 25, 2021 5:16 PM

LOL

No he wasn't.

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Monday, January 25, 2021 5:17 PM

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Wow. Only 5 days in and you already realized you're not going to get what you want and it's time to start blaming Trump for it.

How predictable.

We could set a clock to you, Teddy.

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Monday, January 25, 2021 7:48 PM

JO753

rezident owtsidr

6pm Chicago time. Just woct the article uv impeachment being delivered to the Senate.

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Monday, January 25, 2021 9:05 PM

lol

Yup. That's not going anywhere.

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Wednesday, January 27, 2021 11:15 AM

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
lol

Yup. That's not going anywhere.

Neither will this be punished, but Trump still did it:

How the KGB hooked Donald Trump

There are boundaries in America’s political discourse—or at least there were until Donald Trump’s presidency. There were still taboos: One simply didn’t say that the president of the United States is a Russian asset. And yet according to Bob Woodward’s Rage, no less than former Director of National Intelligence Dan Coats, a Republican, had “deep suspicions” that Putin “had something” on Trump, seeing “no other explanation for his Behavior.” And Coats wasn’t the first highly placed intelligence officer to make such assertions.

In a New York Times op-ed published three months before Trump’s 2016 election, former CIA director Michael Morell wrote, “In the intelligence business, we would say that Mr. Putin had recruited Mr. Trump as an unwitting agent of the Russian Federation.”

In January 2017, just before Donald Trump’s inauguration, Michael Hayden, former head of both the CIA and the National Security Agency, called Trump “a clear and present danger” to America and “a useful idiot,” a term often attributed to Vladimir Lenin that refers to naïve Westerners who could be manipulated for propaganda and other purposes.

In December 2017, the former director of national intelligence James Clapper asserted that Trump was, in effect, an intelligence “asset” serving Russian president Vladimir Putin. And in 2019, former CIA director John Brennan declared that Trump “is wholly in the pocket of Putin,” and went further on “Meet the Press,” adding that he had called Trump’s behavior “treasonous, which is to betray one’s trust and aid and abet the enemy, and I stand very much by that claim.”

Yet somehow, these extraordinary allegations—that the president of the United States is an operative for a hostile foreign power—have not become part of the national conversation. It’s as if the entire country is in denial, even now, after Russian cyber warriors were discovered amplifying claims by Trump and his allies that the election was being “stolen” from them.

So let me try to answer the question: Is Donald Trump a Russian asset?

I believe the answer is yes, and that what happened between Trump and the Russian state is best understood as a series of sequential, and sometimes unrelated, operations that played into each other over more than four decades.

“When people start talking about Trump’s ties to the KGB or Russian intelligence, some are looking for this super sophisticated master plan which was designed decades ago and finally climaxed with Trump’s election as president of the United States,” said Yuri Shvets, a former KGB officer who quit before the fall of the Soviet Union, moved to the United States in 1994 and now lives outside Washington, DC. But that’s not how it happened.

According to Shvets, standard Soviet practice was to develop assets and data that might have not have an immediate payoff, but could offer far more value years in the future.

“That’s a big difference between the KGB and some Western Human intelligence agencies,” Shvets told me in an extended series of interviews.

“The KGB is very patient. It can work a case for years. Americans want results yesterday or a maximum today; as a result, they have none.”

Discovering what took place and how—or at least some of it—meant interviewing former officers from the KGB, the CIA and the FBI, and reading hundreds of documents from FBI investigations and countless news stories in English, Russian, Ukrainian, and more. What emerged over the course of this reporting was the story of how a relatively insignificant targeting operation by the KGB’s New York Station, its rezidentura, more than 40 years ago morphed into the greatest intelligence bonanza in history.

More at https://www.spytalk.co/p/how-the-kgb-hooked-trump

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Wednesday, January 27, 2021 3:27 PM

lol

More Russia BS, huh? Don't you ever get bored of yourself with that stuff man?

Like I put in the prediction thread quite a while ago, Trump will never see the inside of a prison cell.

Not only that, but unless his health dictates otherwise, prepare to see him start running for President again in 2023.

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Wednesday, January 27, 2021 4:37 PM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

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How the KGB hooked Donald Trump

How did Mueller not find ANY of this??!!! Not even a microscopic trace of KGB DNA. I bet the book never addresses that.

BTW:

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Craig Unger is the New York Times bestselling author of House of Trump, House of Putin; House of Bush, House of Saud, and other books. The former editor in chief of Boston Magazine ...

... sound of screeching tires ... Editors In Chief are CIA. That's the first problem.

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Sunday, January 31, 2021 7:09 PM

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Trump has parted ways with his lead impeachment lawyers, Butch Bowers and Deborah Barbier, just over a week before his Senate trial is set to begin. Bowers and Barbier left the team because Trump wanted them to use a defense that relied on allegations of election fraud, and the lawyers were not willing to do so. After numerous attorneys who defended him previously declined to take on the case, Trump was introduced to Bowers by one of his closest allies in the Senate, South Carolina Sen. Lindsey Graham.

This proves that Trump understands what Bowers didn’t: this isn’t a trial, it’s a TV show. Trump knows that his control over the Republican Senators is still strong enough that he faces no chance of conviction in the Senate, which means that legal arguments are unnecessary. Instead, he wants this to be a nationally televised opportunity for him to persuade the public that the 2020 election was teeming with Democratic fraud that cheated him out of reelection. I predict high TV ratings.

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Sunday, January 31, 2021 7:33 PM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

Some people just have way with words ...

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It’s been a busy first week for the 46th President of the United States, there are the 20,000 TROOPS OCCUPYING THE CAPITOL CITY to organise, as well as the totally UNPRECEDENTED SHOW-TRIAL OF HIS IMMEDIATE PREDECESSOR.

You know, usual democracy type stuff.

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Sunday, January 31, 2021 7:36 PM

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Originally posted by 1KIKI:

Some people just have way with words ...

1) Rod Rosenstein appointed Mueller to do a “full and thorough investigation of the Russian government’s efforts to interfere in the 2016 presidential election”.
https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/3726408/Rosenstein-letter-a
ppointing-Mueller-special.pdf

2) The Senate found that Russia interfered.
https://www.hsdl.org/c/final-report-on-russian-interference-in-2016-el
ections/

3) Mueller found that Russia interfered. “The Internet Research Agency (IRA) carried out the earliest Russian interference operations identified by the investigation—a social media campaign designed to provoke and amplify political and social discord in the United States. The IRA was based in St. Petersburg. Russia, and received funding from Russian oligarch Yevgeniy Prigozhin and companies he controlled. Prigozhin is widely reported to have ties to Russian President Vladimir Putin.”

“At the same time that the IRA operation began to focus on supporting candidate Trump in early 2016. the Russian government employed a second form of interference: cyber intrusions (hacking) and releases of hacked materials damaging to the Clinton Campaign. The Russian intelligence service known as the Main Intelligence Directorate of the General Staff of the Russian Army (GRU) carried out these operations.”
https://www.justice.gov/storage/report.pdf

4) Trump interfered with the investigation of Russian interference. Mueller’s Volume 2 said: “Our obstruction-of-justice inquiry focused on a series of actions by the President that related to the Russian-interference investigations, including the President’s conduct towards the law enforcement officials overseeing the investigations and the witnesses to relevant events.”
https://www.justice.gov/storage/report.pdf

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Sunday, January 31, 2021 7:43 PM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

But Trump didn't "collude" with Russia. Neither did anybody in the wide circle that was investigated. Whatever Russia's oligarchs did, it had nothing to do with whatever Trump was going.

You keep forgetting that detail.

Not to mention that THIS impeachment is because Trump supposedly fomented 'insurrection' by a few lawless people who had no plans to take over the government, but were hell bent on raising Cain.

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Sunday, January 31, 2021 7:59 PM

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Originally posted by 1KIKI:

But Trump didn't "collude" with Russia. Neither did anybody in the wide circle that was investigated. Whatever Russia's oligarchs did, it had nothing to do with whatever Trump was going.

You keep forgetting that detail.

Not to mention that THIS impeachment is because Trump supposedly fomented 'insurrection' by a few lawless people who had no plans to take over the government, but were hell bent on raising Cain.

Funny about how many died during and after the raising of Cain, if you count the cops that committed suicide after. Also funny: how many prisoners Trump executed.
https://www.scotsman.com/news/world/us-federal-executions-how-many-pri
soners-have-been-given-death-penalty-under-donald-trumps-presidency-3093644

As for "colluding," that was not what Mueller was looking for. He was looking for Russia interfering with an election. Mueller and the Senate found Russian interference.

Stop Using the Word “Collusion”—How to Frame the Critical Question at the Heart of Trump-Russia
https://www.justsecurity.org/62675/stop-word-collusion-how-frame-criti
cal-question-heart-trump-russia/

Where the Heck Did the Term 'Collusion' Come From?
https://www.lawfareblog.com/where-heck-did-term-collusion-come

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Sunday, January 31, 2021 8:41 PM

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As for "colluding," that was not what Mueller was looking for.

Gee. Where on earth would anybody get the idea that it was?

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Sunday, January 31, 2021 9:03 PM

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
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Originally posted by second:
As for "colluding," that was not what Mueller was looking for.

Gee. Where on earth would anybody get the idea that it was?

Robert Mueller says he did not use the word collusion in his report because it "has no relevance to the criminal law arena." -- https://www.nbcnews.com/video/mueller-we-don-t-use-the-word-collusion-
in-report-pursued-conspiracy-64459845958

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Sunday, January 31, 2021 9:05 PM

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Originally posted by second:
As for "colluding," that was not what Mueller was looking for.

Gee. Where on earth would anybody get the idea that it was?
Robert Mueller says he did not use the word collusion in his report because it "has no relevance to the criminal law arena." -- https://www.nbcnews.com/video/mueller-we-don-t-use-the-word-collusion-
in-report-pursued-conspiracy-64459845958

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Don't give a shit. Perception is reality.

Millions of drone Democrat voters had been programmed relentlessly that Trump colluding with Russia is FACT even though it was never even investigated.

Check your Dunning/Kruger Syndrome at the door and stop pretending like even 5% of Democrat voters have half of your intelligence.

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Sunday, January 31, 2021 9:38 PM

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Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

Don't give a shit. Perception is reality.

Millions of drone Democrat voters had been programmed relentlessly that Trump colluding with Russia is FACT even though it was never even investigated.

Check your Dunning/Kruger Syndrome at the door and stop pretending like even 5% of Democrat voters have half of your intelligence.

Perception is reality? Not for me it isn't as I learned in War (which went bizarrely wrong because the patriotic/emotional ideas haunting the brains of the US military had a weak connection to useful strategies and reality) and in Peace (where I rebuilt chemical plants that had exploded because the strange/wondrous ideas roaming around the brains of the control room operators had a weak connection to chemistry reality). Future explosions could be avoided by taking control away from the operators and their laughable and hopelessly incorrect understanding of what the hell is happening when the chemical plant is not in a steady state during startups and shutdowns, when most explosions occur in my experience.

If collusion is irrelevant to criminal law, what kind of law is it relevant? Collusion is illegal in the United States, Canada and most of the EU due to antitrust laws, but implicit collusion in the form of price leadership and tacit understandings still takes place. Mueller wasn't investigating antitrust violations by Russia, but you won't know that from the news reporters or from politicians and their diarrhea of the mouth.

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Sunday, January 31, 2021 10:25 PM

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Originally posted by second:
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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

Don't give a shit. Perception is reality.

Millions of drone Democrat voters had been programmed relentlessly that Trump colluding with Russia is FACT even though it was never even investigated.

Check your Dunning/Kruger Syndrome at the door and stop pretending like even 5% of Democrat voters have half of your intelligence.
Perception is reality? Not for me it isn't as I learned in War (which went bizarrely wrong because the patriotic/emotional ideas haunting the brains of the US military had a weak connection to useful strategies and reality) and in Peace (where I rebuilt chemical plants that had exploded because the strange/wondrous ideas roaming around the brains of the control room operators had a weak connection to chemistry reality). Future explosions could be avoided by taking control away from the operators and their laughable and hopelessly incorrect understanding of what the hell is happening when the chemical plant is not in a steady state during startups and shutdowns, when most explosions occur in my experience.

If collusion is irrelevant to criminal law, what kind of law is it relevant? Collusion is illegal in the United States, Canada and most of the EU due to antitrust laws, but implicit collusion in the form of price leadership and tacit understandings still takes place. Mueller wasn't investigating antitrust violations by Russia, but you won't know that from the news reporters or from politicians and their diarrhea of the mouth.

I'm beginning to think that you and I aren't even arguing about anything right now.

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Sunday, January 31, 2021 10:44 PM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

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As for "colluding," that was not what Mueller was looking for. He was looking for Russia interfering with an election.

Well ... no. Mueller was looking for "any links and/or coordination between the Russian government and individuals associated with the campaign of President Donald Trump." So, was Mueller looking for "any links and/or coordination between the Russian government and individuals associated with the campaign of President Donald Trump."?
And did he find any?
Yes or no answers will do.

Anyway, regarding "collusion", we've been through this before. I use "collusion" - in quotes - to stand for "any links and/or coordination between the Russian government and individuals associated with the campaign of President Donald Trump.".

None of which was found by Mueller, not even if you include (wink! wink!) OLIGARCHS!

So, no matter how I phrase it, or how you phrase it, Mueller found nothing that he was looking for regarding "any links and/or coordination between the Russian government and individuals associated with the campaign of President Donald Trump." Or "collusion".

Even the NYTimes had to admit it.

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Mueller Finds No Trump-Russia Conspiracy

Maybe you'll remember it this time? Mueller found nothing regarding "collusion", or "any links and/or coordination between the Russian government and individuals associated with the campaign of President Donald Trump.".

Shall I repeat it a few more times?

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Funny about how many died during and after the raising of Cain, if you count the cops that committed suicide after.

Well "At least 25 Americans were killed during protests and political unrest in 2020" according to the Guardian. But that count was as of October 31, 2020, so maybe even more people were killed. Or died of heart attacks. Or committed suicide. Nobody's keeping track of those.

BTW, if body counts = insurrection, BLM WINS!!

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Sunday, January 31, 2021 11:03 PM

Everybody who died in 2020 was due to Covid. Except for those 5 people in DC. Miraculously they were not Covid deaths, despite having never gotten the vaccine.

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Sunday, January 31, 2021 11:03 PM

REAVERFAN

Russian troll is paid to troll. ^

Piece of shit. Kill yourself.

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Sunday, January 31, 2021 11:07 PM

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Russian troll is paid to troll. ^

Piece of shit. Kill yourself.

Nine.

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Monday, February 1, 2021 1:48 PM

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Trump has parted ways with his lead impeachment lawyers, Butch Bowers and Deborah Barbier, just over a week before his Senate trial is set to begin. Bowers and Barbier left the team because Trump wanted them to use a defense that relied on allegations of election fraud, and the lawyers were not willing to do so. After numerous attorneys who defended him previously declined to take on the case, Trump was introduced to Bowers by one of his closest allies in the Senate, South Carolina Sen. Lindsey Graham.

This proves that Trump understands what Bowers didn’t: this isn’t a trial, it’s a TV show. Trump knows that his control over the Republican Senators is still strong enough that he faces no chance of conviction in the Senate, which means that legal arguments are unnecessary. Instead, he wants this to be a nationally televised opportunity for him to persuade the public that the 2020 election was teeming with Democratic fraud that cheated him out of reelection. I predict high TV ratings.

Because the impeachment is not occurring in a court of law Trumps lawyers will try and float that defense. Because the Dems control the senate they will shut it down. It will not apply to the charges. It will only serve to confirm Trumps still fomenting descent and give the republicans something further to worry about.

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Monday, February 1, 2021 2:11 PM

Blah, blah, blah...

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Tuesday, February 2, 2021 9:55 AM

Trump’s new impeachment lawyer says he does not plan to promote election fraud claims

Atlanta-based attorney David Schoen told The Washington Post in an interview Sunday night that he will not “put forward a theory of election fraud. That’s not what this impeachment trial is about.”

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Tuesday, February 2, 2021 9:56 AM

Why don't you talk about the dude you voted in for once, huh Ted?

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Tuesday, February 2, 2021 12:47 PM

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Why don't you talk about the dude you voted in for once, huh Ted?

Let's talk about the criminals working for Trump.

SERIES: THE INSURRECTION
The Effort to Overturn the Election

Hours after the attack on the Capitol ended, a group calling itself the Last Sons of Liberty posted a brief video to Parler, the social media platform, that appeared to show members of the organization directly participating in the uprising. Footage showed someone with a shaky smartphone charging past the metal barricades surrounding the building. Other clips show rioters physically battling with baton-wielding police on the white marble steps just outside the Capitol.

Before Parler went offline — its operations halted at least temporarily when Amazon refused to continue to host the network — the Last Sons posted numerous statements indicating that group members had joined the mob that swarmed the Capitol and had no regrets about the chaos and violence that unfolded on Jan. 6. The Last Sons also did some quick math: The government had suffered only one fatality, U.S. Capitol Police Officer Brian Sicknick, 42, who was reportedly bludgeoned in the head with a fire extinguisher. But the rioters had lost four people, including Ashli Babbitt, the 35-year-old Air Force veteran who was shot by an officer as she tried to storm the building.

In a series of posts, the Last Sons said her death should be “avenged” and appeared to call for the murder of three more cops.

In the weeks since Jan. 6, an array of extremist groups have been named as participants in the Capitol invasion. The Proud Boys. QAnon believers. White nationalists. The Oath Keepers. But the Boogaloo Bois are notable for the depth of their commitment to the overthrow of the U.S. government and the jaw-dropping criminal histories of many members.

Mike Dunn, a 20-year-old from a small town on Virginia’s rural southern edge, is the commander of the Last Sons. “I really feel we’re looking at the possibility — stronger than any time since, say, the 1860s — of armed insurrection,” Dunn said in an interview with ProPublica and FRONTLINE a few days after the assault on the Capitol. Although Dunn didn’t directly participate, he said members of his Boogaloo faction helped fire up the crowd and “may” have penetrated the building.

“It was a chance to mess with the federal government again,” he said. “They weren’t there for MAGA. They weren’t there for Trump.” (THAT’S A FLAT-OUT LIE. Mike and Trump think they are so clever and can’t be convicted as long as they keep lying about their connection.)

More at https://www.propublica.org/article/boogaloo-bois-military-training

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Tuesday, February 2, 2021 1:07 PM

REAVERFAN

It's Happening! 'Proud Boys' And 'Oath Keepers' Get Federal Charges UPGRADED To... CONSPIRACY!!
https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2021/1/31/2013015/-It-s-Happening-Pro
ud-Boys-And-Oath-Keepers-Get-Federal-Charges-Upgraded-To-CONSPIRACY?detail=emaildkre2

Trump fleeced them and now that they're of no use to him, left them to hang.

Stupid isn't a strong enough word for these traitorous dupes. May they rot for decades.

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Tuesday, February 2, 2021 2:46 PM

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Why don't you talk about the dude you voted in for once, huh Ted?
Let's talk about the criminals working for Trump.

Nah. Let's talk about the criminals working for Biden*.

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Tuesday, February 2, 2021 3:19 PM

Missouri Newspaper Tells Josh Hawley to 'Impose Law and Order' on Donald Trump or Resign

A major Missouri newspaper has called on Senator Josh Hawley (R-MO) to hold former President Donald Trump accountable in his upcoming second impeachment trial or resign.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/missouri-newspaper-tells-josh-
hawley-to-impose-law-and-order-on-donald-trump-or-resign/ar-BB1djpfH?ocid=msedgntp

Lets remember, Trump has already been impeached twice. tick tock on the senate trial.

T

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Tuesday, February 2, 2021 5:15 PM

Never going to happen buddy.

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Sunday, February 7, 2021 9:02 AM

Trump's second impeachment: Trial set to kick off this week amid questions about what it will look like

House Democrats on Thursday sought testimony from Trump himself at the trial, a move that was swiftly rejected by Trump's legal team.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trumps-second-impeachment-tria
l-set-to-kick-off-this-week-amid-questions-about-what-it-will-look-like/ar-BB1dsTJX?ocid=uxbndlbing

tick tock tick tock

T

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Sunday, February 7, 2021 9:08 AM

Why don't you talk about the current President, idiot?

By this time in 2017 you had already posted two dozen threads about Trump.

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Sunday, February 7, 2021 9:09 AM

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Sunday, February 7, 2021 11:37 AM

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

Trump's attempts to overturn the election have cost taxpayers more than $519 million so far.

More than $488 million was for Capitol security while another $30 million was in state costs. The Post tallied the cost from reviews of local, state, and federal spending records, and interviews with government officials. The costs included legal fees, damage costs from the Capitol siege in January, military and security expenses, and more.

Trump and his Republican allies spent the weeks leading up to Biden's inauguration filing dozens of lawsuits in swing states attempting to overturn the results, delay certification, or throw out votes. They failed to win any of them.

At a "Save America" rally shortly before Congress began certifying the electoral vote on January 6, Trump told a crowd of supporters to march to the Capitol and continued to allege mass voter fraud. He also falsely claimed that Congress and Vice President Mike Pence could "decertify" the election results and give him another term.

After his speech, supporters breached the US Capitol and clashed with law enforcement. The riot resulted in the deaths of five people, including a police officer.

The House of Representatives impeached Trump for "incitement of insurrection" for his role in the riot. The Senate will hold an impeachment trial next week.

The riot led to a demand for increased security around lawmakers and the Capitol ahead of the impeachment trial.

National Guard troops were deployed to Washington, DC, following the attack and some will remain there until mid-March. The Post reported that the cost for that is at least $480 million. Additionally, the week of the attack, the DC Metropolitan Police spent $8.8 million protecting the Capitol.

Costs for repairing the Capitol to clean up the damage of the attack, the cost for the US Park Police to clean up the National Mall, and costs for additional staffing, overtime, and medical bills from Capitol Police are also still unknown.

https://www.businessinsider.com/trumps-baseless-election-fraud-claim-c
ost-taxpayers-over-519-million-2021-2

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Sunday, February 7, 2021 2:54 PM

Oh yeah?

What's Biden* up to?

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Monday, February 8, 2021 7:50 AM

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

The past few years have delivered a slightly alarming number of think pieces, essays, and Twitter quips drawing parallels between American decline and the “fall of Rome.” Though it’s often delivered in jest, the comparison isn’t without merit: an empire, stretched beyond its ability to effectively govern, straining under the weight of its own hubris and mythology; a republic that ceded control of its future to a solitary executive; a government that at first turned a blind eye and was later powerless to stop pandemics and famine. Rome seems to stand as a cautionary tale. Whatever you think of the claim, with the Senate trial of former President Donald J. Trump looming, there’s a relevant lesson we can learn from Rome’s example. The empire was at times obsessed with trying to remove unpopular or corrupt leaders from the public record after they were no longer in power. But their attempts to do so show us that if we truly want to erase the legacies of bad leaders, we might be better served by holding them to account rather than by simply trying to eradicate them from public consciousness. A systematic and transparent legal process accomplishes what simple erasure cannot. We need to confront their records in order to forget them.

In ancient Rome, after a particularly woeful leader or other public figure died, authorities could initiate a process called damnatio memoriae—condemnation of memory—which essentially expunged that individual from the historical record. The term itself is not ancient, but it is used by scholars to denote this systematic practice of, well, cancellation. From destroying, decapitating, or recarving statues, to chiseling names from inscriptions and stamping out coinage, to holding public bonfires to destroy documents and portraits, by many accounts the Roman people delighted in exacting the ultimate punishment on failed leadership: erasure.

You might already detect the connections between Roman damnatio and our current moment. In ancient Rome, damnatio often led to the reversal of unpopular imperial decrees, echoed today in the near-record number of executive orders signed by newly elected President Joe Biden, many of these aimed at reversing Trump-era policies.

https://web.archive.org/web/20210208124907/https://slate.com/news-and-
politics/2021/02/erasing-donald-trump-impeachment-romans.html

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Monday, February 8, 2021 10:48 AM

Trump will just play the Reverse card when his turn comes back up in Presidential Uno.

If you have a problem with Executive Orders, which you absolutely should, let's not pretend that only one guy or party is responsible for them, or that using those very same powers to reverse other EO's is acceptable.

You're like half-right on everything. Too bad you're always half-wrong.

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Monday, February 8, 2021 11:04 AM

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Trump will just play the Reverse card when his turn comes back up in Presidential Uno.

If you have a problem with Executive Orders, which you absolutely should, let's not pretend that only one guy or party is responsible for them, or that using those very same powers to reverse other EO's is acceptable.

You're like half-right on everything. Too bad you're always half-wrong.

Trump killed every nuclear weapons treaty except one, which he would have let expire this month if he had been reelected. Biden undid that decision. Treaty or no treaty, nobody has been nuked to death in awhile, but not having the treaty makes a billion deaths powerfully likely. I wouldn't expect Trump or Trumptards to understand that possibility or even what a jackass Trump has always been as a businessman, family man, entertainer, tax payer, or politician.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Monday, February 8, 2021 11:36 AM

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Treaty or no treaty, nobody has been nuked to death in awhile, but not having the treaty makes a billion deaths powerfully likely.

Zero truth to this claim.

There are already enough nukes to destroy the world 3 times over.

As long as you don't allow cult leaders of a diseased religion serving a vengeful god and shepherding people who are gladly willing to die for their cause amass an arsenal, ain't nobody based in reality going to be throwing the first stone.

It's not 1985 and we don't need Superman to throw all of our nukes into the sun.

Now, why don't you respond to the point of my post instead of always changing the subject?

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Monday, February 8, 2021 4:50 PM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

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Trump killed every nuclear weapons treaty except one ...

Which is a problem of Obama's - and not Trump's.

Constitutionally, for any treaty to be durable and have the power of law - and not be simply a draft for consideration - it must be ratified by a 2/3 Senate majority. And sometimes - when for example it requires any expenditure of Federal money - it must also be passed by the House as well. Obama never submitted these treaties for a Senate vote. Nor did he campaign for them and take his appeal to the American people to pressure the Senate.

Whether Climate Change Accords, or nuclear treaties, he did them the same way he ...
ordered unconstitutional mass surveillance on the American people (Snowden)
prosecuted a record number of whistleblowers (Rosen)
moved hundreds of tons of military equipment to ISIS/ ISIL and other extremist groups in Syria (Hersch: "The Rat Line ...")
carried out unconstitutional drone executions including of 4 American citizens (Amwar Al-Awlaki, Samir Khan, Jude Kenan Mohammad, and Abdulrahman al-Awlaki)
... and that was on the down-low.

The President - for example Obama - must submit treaties to the Senate for a vote. But if not submitted they can't be passed, and if not passed they are not law. That makes any signed treaty - like Obama's 'treaties' - not passed into law just as durable as an executive order, which is, not at all.

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Monday, February 8, 2021 5:08 PM