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Friday, February 5, 2021 6:18 AM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Quote:

Originally posted by 1KIKI:

Eh, I'm not sure SECOND actually believes what he posts, and belief is the hallmark of cultism. No, he's just throwing any old piece of go se he can find, whether it's consistent with anything else he posts OR NOT; or addresses the topic OR NOT; or is factual OR NOT; or is truthfully represented OR NOT.


Of course he doesn't believe what he posts.

He's not interested in making sense. If he was, he would have made sense of his own behavior a long time ago. He embodies everything that's wrong with Democrats today: a hollow virtue-signalling golem, consumed by guilt and blaming everyone else for his failures. Except, unlike many of the hand-wringing virtue signallers whose sense of guilt was artificially promoted from the outside (guilty for being white, guilty for emitting carbon dioxide, etc) he really DOES have a reason to feel guilty, because he killed people.

And that's something he just can't live with.


And then, instead of being punished by the law or by god for killing people, he got rich. And that added to his feelings of guilt. But he just can't give up the money either, like he can't accept his moral failures ( Thou shalt not kill. I'm sure that was drummed into his head when he was growing up.) so he resolves the issue by blaming everyone but himself for what he's done.

That's why he grabs anything he can and flings it against this wall, whether it makes sense or not.

It's twisted, but I get it.

It is fascinating when Russian trolls psychoanalyze. For your next short fiction, try River Tam. Explain the physics of her telepathy and precognition with particular emphasis on how those two qualities might change her concept of God. How do you feel about her role as an assassin? Does she believe in an Afterlife and will she be punished or rewarded for her actions? Oh, never mind. Instead, I would like to see what story Signym/1kiki can create by turning their psychoanalysis skills on a person they have extensive factual information on, such as Donald Trump. Signym/1kiki, make a story to explain him. While you are in story telling mode, explain why Trumptards defend Trump, believe he won, and why they will vote for him again in 2024.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Friday, February 5, 2021 6:19 AM

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Carbon-Neutral Pathways for the United States

‘Modeling the entire U.S. energy and industrial system… we created multiple pathways to net zero and net negative CO2 emissions by 2050. They met all forecast U.S. energy needs at a net cost of 0.2–1.2% of GDP in 2050, using only commercial or near-commercial technologies, and requiring no early retirement of existing infrastructure.

We created multiple blueprints for the United States to reach zero or negative CO2 emissions from the energy system by 2050 to avoid the most damaging impacts of climate change. By methodically increasing energy efficiency, switching to electric technologies, utilizing clean electricity (especially wind and solar power), and deploying a small amount of carbon capture technology, the United States can reach zero emissions without requiring changes to behavior. Cost is about $1 per person per day, not counting climate benefits; this is significantly less than estimates from a few years ago because of recent technology progress. Models with more detail than used in the past revealed unexpected synergies, counterintuitive results, and tradeoffs. The lowest-cost electricity systems get >80% of energy from wind and solar power but need other resources to provide reliable service. Eliminating fossil fuel use altogether is possible but higher cost. Restricting biomass use and land for renewables is possible but could require nuclear power to compensate. All blueprints for the United States agree on the key tasks for the 2020s: increasing the capacity of wind and solar power by 3.5 times, retiring coal plants, and increasing electric vehicle and electric heat pump sales to >50% of market share.

https://agupubs.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1029/2020AV000284

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Friday, February 5, 2021 7:02 AM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


Quote:

Originally posted by 1KIKI:

Eh, I'm not sure SECOND actually believes what he posts, and belief is the hallmark of cultism. No, he's just throwing any old piece of go se he can find, whether it's consistent with anything else he posts OR NOT; or addresses the topic OR NOT; or is factual OR NOT; or is truthfully represented OR NOT.

Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:


Of course he doesn't believe what he posts.

He's not interested in making sense. If he was, he would have made sense of his own behavior a long time ago. He embodies everything that's wrong with Democrats today: a hollow virtue-signalling golem, consumed by guilt and blaming everyone else for his failures. Except, unlike many of the hand-wringing virtue signallers whose sense of guilt was artificially promoted from the outside (guilty for being white, guilty for emitting carbon dioxide, etc) he really DOES have a reason to feel guilty, because he killed people.

And that's something he just can't live with.


And then, instead of being punished by the law or by god for killing people, he got rich. And that added to his feelings of guilt. But he just can't give up the money either, like he can't accept his moral failures ( Thou shalt not kill. I'm sure that was drummed into his head when he was growing up.) so he resolves the issue by blaming everyone but himself for what he's done.

That's why he grabs anything he can and flings it against this wall, whether it makes sense or not.

It's twisted, but I get it.

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I think you're taking a historical example from real life and applying it where it doesn't belong. IMO SECOND's pathology goes far deeper than misplaced guilt.

For example, it doesn't explain his highly tactical probing of people here for weak spots. Nor does it explain his fascination with killing people.

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Friday, February 5, 2021 8:05 AM

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Originally posted by 1KIKI:

Nor does it explain his fascination with killing people.

1kiki, explain your support for Trump. Before Trump, no prisoners have been killed in 17 years. Trump carried out his 13th and final execution just five days before the inauguration of President-elect Joe Biden — an opponent of the federal death penalty. No president in more than 120 years had overseen as many federal executions.

https://apnews.com/article/donald-trump-wildlife-coronavirus-pandemic-
crime-terre-haute-28e44cc5c026dc16472751bbde0ead50


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Friday, February 5, 2021 8:42 AM

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Republicans largely ignore moral stain of child poverty

Imagine you have some neighbors in a mansion down the road who pamper one child with a credit card, the best private school and a Tesla.

The parents treat most of their other kids decently but not lavishly — and then you discover that the family consigns one child to an unheated, vermin-infested room in the basement, denying her dental care and often leaving her without food.

You’d call 911 to report child abuse. You’d say those responsible should be locked up. You’d steam about how vile adults must be to allow a child to suffer like that.

But that’s us. That household, writ large, is America and our moral stain of child poverty.

Some American children attend $70,000-a-year nursery schools, but 12 million kids live in households that lack food. The United States has long had one of the highest rates of child poverty in the advanced world — and then the coronavirus pandemic aggravated the suffering.

Now we could have a thrilling breakthrough: President Biden included a proposal in his $1.9 trillion American Rescue Plan that one study says would cut child poverty by half. We in the news media have focused on direct payments to individuals, but the historic element of Biden’s plan is its effort to slash child poverty.

“The American Rescue Plan is the most ambitious proposal to reduce child poverty ever proposed by an American president,” Jason Furman, a Harvard economist, told me.

A couple of decades from now, America will be pretty much the same whether direct payments end up being $1,000 or $1,400. But this will be a transformed nation if we’re able to shrink child poverty on our watch.

So the most distressing part of 10 Republican senators’ counterproposal to Biden was their decision to drop the plan to curb child poverty. Please, Mr. President, don’t budge on this.

And senators, what are you thinking? Is the supposedly “pro-family” party battling to preserve child poverty?

“So many of them speak about religion and Jesus and children,” Representative Rosa DeLauro, a Connecticut Democrat who has long pushed for these anti-poverty measures, told me. “How do you leave behind millions of children and their families living in poverty?”

Perhaps some misread the Gospel of Matthew. Jesus says (19:14) “suffer the little children” to approach him; he absolutely does not recommend “the little children shall suffer.”

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/02/03/opinion/biden-child-poverty.html

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Friday, February 5, 2021 10:03 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


^ What an absolute crock of shit article that only idiots would buy.


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Friday, February 5, 2021 12:49 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Nevermind

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Friday, February 5, 2021 1:11 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Quote:

Originally posted by second:
Republicans largely ignore moral stain of child poverty

Imagine you have some neighbors in a mansion down the road who pamper one child with a credit card, the best private school and a Tesla.

The parents treat most of their other kids decently but not lavishly — and then you discover that the family consigns one child to an unheated, vermin-infested room in the basement, denying her dental care and often leaving her without food.

You’d call 911 to report child abuse. You’d say those responsible should be locked up. You’d steam about how vile adults must be to allow a child to suffer like that.

But that’s us. That household, writ large, is America and our moral stain of child poverty.

Some American children attend $70,000-a-year nursery schools, but 12 million kids live in households that lack food. The United States has long had one of the highest rates of child poverty in the advanced world — and then the coronavirus pandemic aggravated the suffering.

Now we could have a thrilling breakthrough: President Biden included a proposal in his $1.9 trillion American Rescue Plan that one study says would cut child poverty by half. We in the news media have focused on direct payments to individuals, but the historic element of Biden’s plan is its effort to slash child poverty.

“The American Rescue Plan is the most ambitious proposal to reduce child poverty ever proposed by an American president,” Jason Furman, a Harvard economist, told me.

A couple of decades from now, America will be pretty much the same whether direct payments end up being $1,000 or $1,400. But this will be a transformed nation if we’re able to shrink child poverty on our watch.

So the most distressing part of 10 Republican senators’ counterproposal to Biden was their decision to drop the plan to curb child poverty. Please, Mr. President, don’t budge on this.

And senators, what are you thinking? Is the supposedly “pro-family” party battling to preserve child poverty?

“So many of them speak about religion and Jesus and children,” Representative Rosa DeLauro, a Connecticut Democrat who has long pushed for these anti-poverty measures, told me. “How do you leave behind millions of children and their families living in poverty?”

Perhaps some misread the Gospel of Matthew. Jesus says (19:14) “suffer the little children” to approach him; he absolutely does not recommend “the little children shall suffer.”

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/02/03/opinion/biden-child-poverty.html

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly



You can't eliminate poverty by "giving" people money. All that does is create dependency on aid. You can only create wealth by having a robust economy in which everyone who can work has a meaningful job at living wages. That way, more homes get retrofitted for energy-efficiency and habitability, more power grids get upgraded, more forests and wetlands are managed properly, more N95s are made, more bridges are repaired, more steel and cement and chemicals and pharmaceutics and textiles are made at home, more energy-efficient cars are built, fewer foreign wars are prosecuted, more people are educated and their health needs are met.

So, let's assume that this is like other government "aid" programs. How will the government ensure that money is spent on children, and not on mommy's drug habit or daddy's new cars? Because, yanno, I've seen what foster parents do with government money, and it ain't pretty.

Will CPS come snooping thru the home, like they did with the old welfare system? Drug test mommy and daddy? Take the children away if they feel that the kids aren't adequately cared-for? Or, rather than cash-aid, will they provide in-kind services, like free food (which they already did thru schools until Covid came along) and laundry services and school-based or community-based healthcare? Provide housing vouchers, trapping poor families in crime-ridden slumlord dwellings? Take over for mommy and daddy where they're falling down on the parenting job?

How's this gonna work and create a positive outcome?

What about meaningful JOBS??? When are THEY gonna come along?

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If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

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Friday, February 5, 2021 2:19 PM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:

You can't eliminate poverty by "giving" people money. All that does is create dependency on aid. You can only create wealth by having a robust economy in which everyone who can work has a meaningful job at living wages. Blah, blah, blah, the usual Republican bullshit about the wonders of Capitalism.

Fuck you goddamn tax-cheating cheapskate Trumptards. It can be done with money. And don't give me your warped lessons on Economics because neither Signym or 1kiki know what they are talking about:
https://www.google.com/search?q=end+poverty+by+giving+people+money

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Friday, February 5, 2021 2:43 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Go give your money away if it makes you feel so guilty, idiot.

Stop spending other people's money.


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Friday, February 5, 2021 3:30 PM

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Go give your money away if it makes you feel so guilty, idiot.

Stop spending other people's money.

Typical Trumptard bravado. You better look again at "your money". It says U.S. Treasury on it. It doesn't have your name anywhere. May I suggest you do as many other brilliant Trumptards who are well versed economically, at least in their own minds, tend to do: buy gold and bury it in the backyard. Or move money to an off-shore account in order to avoid paying taxes. Show the world how smart the proud Trumptards are. Oh, be sure to buy a gun to "protect" your property. That always works in the movies and Trumptard fantasies of manliness. Are you sensing the sarcasm? Just want you to know that Trumptards are ignored or get their asses kicked around in the real world because they aren't really the tough, smart, brave, hardworking, dangerous men they imagine themselves.

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Friday, February 5, 2021 3:33 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Fuck you, cultist.

Done with your bullshit for today.


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Friday, February 5, 2021 3:34 PM

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The Terrifying Warning Lurking in the Earth’s Ancient Rock Record

Our computer climate models could be missing something big.

During the entire half-billion-year Phanerozoic eon of animal life, CO2 has been the primary driver of the Earth’s climate. And sometimes, when the planet has issued a truly titanic slug of CO2 into the atmosphere, things have gone horribly wrong.

Today, humans are injecting CO2 into the atmosphere at one of the fastest rates ever. When hucksters tell you that the climate is always changing, they’re right, but that’s not the good news they think it is. “The climate system is an angry beast,” the late Columbia climate scientist Wally Broecker was fond of saying, “and we are poking it with sticks.”

The beast has only just begun to snarl. All of recorded human history — at only a few thousand years, a mere eyeblink in geologic time — has played out in perhaps the most stable climate window of the past 650,000 years. We have been shielded from the climate’s violence by our short civilizational memory, and our remarkably good fortune. But humanity’s ongoing chemistry experiment on our planet could push the climate well beyond those slim historical parameters, into a state it hasn’t seen in tens of millions of years . . .

When there’s been as much carbon dioxide in the air as there already is today — not to mention how much there’s likely to be in 50 or 100 years — the world has been much, much warmer, with seas 70 feet higher than they are today. Why? The planet today is not yet in equilibrium with the warped atmosphere that industrial civilization has so recently created. If CO2 stays at its current levels, much less steadily increases, it will take centuries — even millennia — for the planet to fully find its new footing. The transition will be punishing in the near term and the long term, and when it’s over, Earth will look far different from the one that nursed humanity. This is the grim lesson of paleoclimatology: The planet seems to respond far more aggressively to small provocations than it’s been projected to by many of our models.

To truly appreciate the coming changes to our planet, we need to plumb the history of climate change. So let us take a trip back into deep time, a journey that will begin with the familiar climate of recorded history and end in the feverish, high-CO2 greenhouse of the early age of mammals, 50 million years ago. It is a sobering journey, one that warns of catastrophic surprises that may be in store.

More at https://web.archive.org/web/20210205135609/https://www.theatlantic.com
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Friday, February 5, 2021 3:41 PM

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Fuck you, cultist.

Done with your bullshit for today.

Don't worry. Trump will be back in the White House in January 2025 with a probability of 50%. He will surely look after his little bitty Trumptards and make their dreams come true of being respected by the Coastal Elites.

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Friday, February 5, 2021 3:58 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.



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The Terrifying Warning Lurking in the Earth’s Ancient Rock Record


And when Biden* fails to keep his promises - or even promote them - I'll be happy to laugh at his skinny saggy ass parading all over town in his New Clothes™.

The global climate doesn't care how much virtue signalling anybody does - not even you, SECOND.


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Friday, February 5, 2021 9:04 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


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Originally posted by 1KIKI:

Quote:

The Terrifying Warning Lurking in the Earth’s Ancient Rock Record


And when Biden* fails to keep his promises - or even promote them - I'll be happy to laugh at his skinny saggy ass parading all over town in his New Clothes™.

The global climate doesn't care how much virtue signalling anybody does - not even you, SECOND.






IT DOESN'T!!!! BUT I GOT A HUNDRED UPVOTES ON MY LAST TWEET TODAY!!!!!

NOT FAIR!!!!! REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!


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Saturday, February 6, 2021 12:29 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Quote:

SIGNYM: You can't eliminate poverty by "giving" people money. All that does is create dependency on aid. You can only create wealth by having a robust economy in which everyone who can work has a meaningful job at living wages. Blah, blah, blah, the usual Republican bullshit about the wonders of Capitalism.

SECONDATE: Fuck you goddamn tax-cheating cheapskate Trumptards. It can be done with money. And don't give me your warped lessons on Economics because neither Signym or 1kiki know what they are talking about:
https://www.google.com/search?q=end+poverty+by+giving+people+money

Wow, you STILL don't get it, do you?

More later

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Saturday, February 6, 2021 2:56 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


So, here is the takeaway from the top article of your link, SECONDRATE

Quote:

It will take more than a decade to determine the impact.


Yep, the effect of "giving money" in Kenya isn't known, and won't be for at least ten years, probably more. However, we KNOW the effect of "giving money" in America, and despite ALL of the money that's been given over dozens of years, child poverty (and the poverty rate in general) hasn't gone down.

Here is the problem in Kenya...

Quote:

... Otieno is that he's an entrepreneurial sort of guy who all his life has been striving to climb out of poverty — only to find himself blocked by a lack of funds.

Despite a tough start in life ... straight out of high school he got himself into a training program for mechanics. He managed to land a job repairing cars, thanks to a relative who worked at the same company in one of Kenya's cities. Then that company closed. Since then, Otieno says, he has found it impossible to find another position.

So, no jobs.

Quote:

He has also tried starting various small businesses — including a kind of bar, selling drinks to fishermen out of a gazebo on the shore of Lake Victoria. The trouble: To get the bar off the ground, Otieno had to take out a loan of about a thousand dollars at an interest rate of nearly 25 percent. Now the payments are crushing him. "Each day, whatever sales I make I just send to the bank," Otieno says. "You end up working for the bank."
And the banks are sucking him ... and the economy ... dry.

The next example in the article

Quote:

Odero insisted on helping.

His family says he's constantly trying to prove he can be useful — be independent. But people hesitate to hire him for even odd jobs. He'll go out with the other young guys to look for work. Then watch as everyone gets picked but him.

Also, no jobs.



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Saturday, February 6, 2021 3:42 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


So, have you figured out where you went wrong in understanding my post?

You seem to think that I'm some sort of Republican grinch who barely peel a dollar offa wad of cash to better anyone's life.

What you failed to understand is that EVERYTHING that I posted about: retrofitting homes, rebuilding infrastructure, teaching and healing, environmental stewardship ... even investing in factories and steel mills and cement plants, if private investors fail to show up ... takes government money.

LOTS of government money. It's not that I'm unwilling to tax the wealthy to spend government money. And it's not that I don't want to reduce the wealth gap ... of course I do! And it's not that I don't want people's lives to be better ... of course I do!

But you don't reduce poverty by HANDOUTS. You reduce poverty by changing the rules of the game, by rewarding work, not speculation or rentier capitalism or monopolism.

You have never understood my signature, have you?
PITY WOULD BE NO MORE,
IF WE DID NOT MAKE MEN POOR

There will always be some who will need more than they can immediately return to society: the very young, the very old, the sick and the disabled. But MOST people are able to create a good life for themselves and their families if the deck wasn't already stacked against them. And that deck-stacking ... it's not natural or inevitable, it was a conscious choice made by the wealthy who gained control of government and changed the rules of the game to favor themselves.

It's really obvious. A bright guy like you claim to be should be able to see this.



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Saturday, February 6, 2021 6:22 AM

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Methane is pitting Texas against the Biden administration

Methane is 80 times more potent greenhouse gas than carbon dioxide. But in Texas, methane is so plentiful and cheap, it escapes largely unseen and unmeasured. In the Permian Basin, operators are leaking enough methane to heat about 2 million homes a year. The methane leaks from faulty equipment or the tens of thousands of orphaned wells.

Trump tried to remove all regulations on methane, a move so extreme that even ExxonMobil opposed it. But until President Joe Biden's Environmental Protection Agency can navigate the legal booby traps left by the Trump administration's giveaways to methane leakers, it is up to oil and gas companies to fix a problem no one can see or smell.

Texas Gov. Greg Abbott has fired the first shot in a methane civil war of 2021. "I'm in Midland to make clear that Texas is going to protect the oil and gas industry from any type of hostile attack launched from Washington, DC," Abbott said, days after Biden signed his first round of executive orders aimed at a climate in crisis.

Then the Republican governor signed an executive order of his own, commanding every state agency to bring him every reason to sue and stop the Biden administration's clean energy efforts. In calling out cities like San Francisco, where a movement to ban natural gas heaters and appliances from new construction is growing, Abbott vowed to ban all bans.

"In Texas, we will not let cities use political correctness to dictate what energy source you use," he said. "So I am supporting legislation that prohibits cities and counties from banning natural gas appliances."

Kelsey Robinson of the Environmental Defense Fund has a simple idea. "Reducing methane emissions is actually a job creator in and of itself because we need people to go out to survey these sites and then take steps to fix those leaks."

Without enforceable regulations for producers big and small, the profit motive always wins. ExxonMobil and some of the other big producers have set lofty goals for how they want to keep their emissions. But in the Permian Basin, the methane leak rate is over 10 times higher than what a lot of companies have set out to do.

More at https://www.cnn.com/2021/02/05/us/climate-crisis-texas-methane-emissio
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Saturday, February 6, 2021 6:23 AM

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To stay competitive against China, should the United States become a little more like it?

I’m being provocative, but that’s essentially the question behind the U.S. government’s plans to provide financial help to American-made computer chips, and maybe to other homegrown technologies, too.

In practice, the U.S. government subsidizes or props up industries all the time. But the idea of a government helping its favorite industries is something that the United States typically mocks as a perversion of the free markets. It’s what China does, or what European governments do with their leading airplane maker.

That makes what’s happening with computer chips just the beginning of a thorny policy debate: Should the government intervene more to create American winners, particularly in technology and other key areas? And if so, how?

What’s happening: Computer chips are like the tiny brains or memory in everything from jet fighters and satellites to refrigerators and cars, as my colleagues Ana Swanson and Don Clark have written. Silicon Valley was named for a material in computer chips — and Intel was an industry pioneer and star. Not anymore.

Taiwanese firms including Taiwan Semiconductor Manufacturing Company and South Korea’s Samsung have leapt ahead in advanced designs, and they’re kings of manufacturing now. The vast majority of the world’s chips are made outside the United States, in part because of government subsidies abroad.

The pandemic caused chip shortages that slowed U.S. car factories, leading to more urgency among the U.S. military and American corporations to have a safe and uninterrupted supply of chips closer at hand.

So last year, Intel and federal government agencies proposed financial help for American chip manufacturing. The result was an authorization of taxpayer money to subsidize U.S. chip factories and chip research in the military policy bill finalized a month ago.

Congress hasn’t funded the program yet so the dollar amount and specifics are in limbo, Don told me. He also said that government money may take years to translate into more U.S.-made chips. But you get the goal: Ensure that more chips are churning inside America’s borders, whether made by Intel or foreign chip makers on U.S. soil.

The bigger picture: The backdrop of all this is China. One fear is that perennial tensions between China and Taiwan could at some point disrupt the chip industry on the island and affect the rest of the world.

The Chinese government also has been spending gobs of money to develop its own chip industry and rely less on imported chips and equipment.

In the political, military and economic competition between the United States and China, chips are one of the leading fronts.

More at www.nytimes.com/2021/02/05/technology/computer-chips-government-help.h
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Saturday, February 6, 2021 6:37 AM

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I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


So, SECONDRATE, I see you decided to ignore this
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
So, have you figured out where you went wrong in understanding my post?

You seem to think that I'm some sort of Republican grinch who barely peel a dollar offa wad of cash to better anyone's life.

What you failed to understand is that EVERYTHING that I posted about: retrofitting homes, rebuilding infrastructure, teaching and healing, environmental stewardship ... even investing in factories and steel mills and cement plants, if private investors fail to show up ... takes government money.

LOTS of government money. It's not that I'm unwilling to tax the wealthy to spend government money. And it's not that I don't want to reduce the wealth gap ... of course I do! And it's not that I don't want people's lives to be better ... of course I do!

But you don't reduce poverty by HANDOUTS. You reduce poverty by changing the rules of the game, by rewarding work, not speculation or rentier capitalism or monopolism.

You have never understood my signature, have you?
PITY WOULD BE NO MORE,
IF WE DID NOT MAKE MEN POOR

There will always be some who will need more than they can immediately return to society: the very young, the very old, the sick and the disabled. But MOST people are able to create a good life for themselves and their families if the deck wasn't already stacked against them. And that deck-stacking ... it's not natural or inevitable, it was a conscious choice made by the wealthy who gained control of government and changed the rules of the game to favor themselves.

It's really obvious. A bright guy like you claim to be should be able to see this.



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Saturday, February 6, 2021 8:00 AM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
So, SECONDRATE, I see you decided to ignore this:
You have never understood my signature, have you?
PITY WOULD BE NO MORE,
IF WE DID NOT MAKE MEN POOR

Not ignoring, but your ideas and even the purpose of your life are as empty of weight and substance as the quacking of a duck, even if the duck profoundly thinks differently about the noises it makes.
On to cold, hard, sad and unforgiving complexities of American reality:

The progressive organization No Excuses PAC is seeking to find primary opponents for Democratic senators Joe Manchin of West Virginia and Kyrsten Sinema of Arizona, both of whom are up for reelection in 2024, Politico reported. Some progressives are frustrated with the unwillingness of Manchin and Sinema, among the most conservative Democrats in the Senate, to abolish the filibuster, which would make easier the passage of President Joe Biden's legislative agenda.

The notion of replacing them with Democrats who will more actively support progressive ideas may be appealing at first, but it is a colossally stupid idea that would be a gift to the Republicans. The reason for this is simple; both Manchin and Sinema would be extremely difficult to defeat in a primary, but any candidate who beat them from the left in a primary would almost certainly lose in a general election to the Republican.

More at https://www.cnn.com/2021/02/05/opinions/progressive-senate-democrats-m
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Saturday, February 6, 2021 10:06 AM

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Jesus Christ.

And Nilbog says that I'M the narcissist on this board.

Inflated ego much?


What a piece of shit.


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Saturday, February 6, 2021 1:20 PM

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Jesus Christ.

And Nilbog says that I'M the narcissist on this board.

Inflated ego much?


What a piece of shit.


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Will, HE can go off on flights of unsubstantiated fantasy about "how the world works" but he can never accepted anyone else's ideas that cast blame in his direction.

Also he can't admit being 100% wrong about y pov.

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Saturday, February 6, 2021 1:31 PM

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Fuck you, cultist.


Projection, much?



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Saturday, February 6, 2021 2:06 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Quote:

Originally posted by reaverfan:
Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Fuck you, cultist.


Projection, much?



Do YOU have anything to say about my Rx for the USA?

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Saturday, February 6, 2021 2:12 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
So, have you figured out where you went wrong in understanding my post?

You seem to think that I'm some sort of Republican grinch who barely peel a dollar offa wad of cash to better anyone's life.

What you failed to understand is that EVERYTHING that I posted about: retrofitting homes, rebuilding infrastructure, teaching and healing, environmental stewardship ... even investing in factories and steel mills and cement plants, if private investors fail to show up ... takes government money.

LOTS of government money. It's not that I'm unwilling to tax the wealthy to spend government money. And it's not that I don't want to reduce the wealth gap ... of course I do! And it's not that I don't want people's lives to be better ... of course I do!

But you don't reduce poverty by HANDOUTS. You reduce poverty by changing the rules of the game, by rewarding work, not speculation or rentier capitalism or monopolism.

You have never understood my signature, have you?
PITY WOULD BE NO MORE,
IF WE DID NOT MAKE MEN POOR

There will always be some who will need more than they can immediately return to society: the very young, the very old, the sick and the disabled. But MOST people are able to create a good life for themselves and their families if the deck wasn't already stacked against them. And that deck-stacking ... it's not natural or inevitable, it was a conscious choice made by the wealthy who gained control of government and changed the rules of the game to favor themselves.

It's really obvious. A bright guy like you claim to be should be able to see this.



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Here is the post, THUGR.

TPTB decided to eliminate manufacturing for financialism. But that doesn't create wealth, it just concentrates money.

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Sunday, February 7, 2021 7:55 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:

TPTB decided to eliminate manufacturing for financialism. But that doesn't create wealth, it just concentrates money.

Let's translate that to reality. TPTB is short for The Powers That Be, who are the top 1% of wealth in America. Since WWII, maybe even before that, the Top 1% have ever so slowly, and then faster and faster, shifted their decisions to benefit themselves more and more while benefiting the bottom 99% less and less. The expectation was that the Federal government would step up to the responsibility as the Top 1% stepped down, in the same way as the Federal government took responsibility for ending the Great Depression. The Top 1% have watched with bemusement as the voters in the bottom 99% have squabbled over the size of Federal government's role in looking after the bottom 99%. Too many voters can't understand that it is either the Federal government or else nobody will be taking over the responsibilities that once rested exclusively on the shoulders of the wealthy. All this squabbling by voters has kept the Federal government from properly taking over the responsibilities that most of the Top 1% have left behind. Christopher Lasch even wrote the book about this process called The Revolt of the Elites and the Betrayal of Democracy.

Christopher Lasch would say I over-simplified his books, removing all the beautifully worded nuance, but you won't have time to even read the above paragraph, let alone all the books he wrote, which are available for free here:
https://libgen.unblockit.ltd/search.php?req=Christopher+Lasch

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Sunday, February 7, 2021 8:50 AM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.



I agree - the 99% have never tested the power of the vote. And I would very like to see what would happen if we did.

But I suspect if we did the US would have a REAL coup - like in Myanmar - instead of the (giggle giggle) 'coup' in Washington a few weeks ago that everyone is fainting over.

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Sunday, February 7, 2021 9:12 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by second:
Christopher Lasch would say I over-simplified his books, removing all the beautifully worded nuance,



He'd probably claim that you've pasteurized the natural bouquet of his farts.



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Sunday, February 7, 2021 9:22 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by 1KIKI:

I agree - the 99% have never tested the power of the vote. And I would very like to see what would happen if we did.

But I suspect if we did the US would have a REAL coup - like in Myanmar - instead of the (giggle giggle) 'coup' in Washington a few weeks ago that everyone is fainting over.

What I would like to see is the lower 99% start acting with as much commonsense as the Top 1%. I know that not nearly all of the Top 1% act like they have sense and not all of the bottom 99% are completely lacking sense, but the bottom tends to be pretty damn gullible and foolish in their everyday lives. Why would the bottom's politics not tend toward foolishness? When the bottom finally revolts, I don't expect them to show much sense in how they use their new found power, which brings us right back to why the Top 1% are in the top -- they do, on average, but not all of them, show good sense and can make big plans and follow plans to completion. Not too many people are mentally capable of making big or even little plans. Sadly, they lose focus, or lose courage, or watch too much TV, or goof off in general.

In the Jan 6th coup, Trump told rioters to stop V.P. Mike Pence from certifying the vote. Neither Trump nor the rioters showed commonsense or even rudimentary ability to plan coherently, but Trump (and the Trumptards I personally know) have always been scatterbrained. That's why they failed in their mission to keep Trump as President. Trump is like a bank robber who dropped his bag of loot as he ran away. Now Trump and his lawyers will claim at the impeachment trial that there was no robbery. About 45 Republican Senators will agree that dropping the bag means the bank wasn't intentionally robbed, hence Trump is not guilty of anything more serious than boorishness.

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Sunday, February 7, 2021 9:35 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by second:
When the bottom finally revolts, I don't expect them to show much sense in how they use their new found power/b]



It's called Zipf's Law, dipshit.

Just like if the word "the" was banned, some other word would take it's place as the most commonly used word constituting 7% of all words spoken or written, if the entire system were to be burned to the ground a vacuum would be created where a brand new 1% would eventually control everything.

You don't even have to play make believe to theorize this. Just look at any third world shithole and what goes on after we fund a coup and help out with some drone strikes.



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Sunday, February 7, 2021 10:08 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Quote:

Originally posted by second:
When the bottom finally revolts, I don't expect them to show much sense in how they use their new found power



It's called Zipf's Law, dipshit.

Just like if the word "the" was banned, some other word would take it's place as the most commonly used word constituting 7% of all words spoken or written, if the entire system were to be burned to the ground a vacuum would be created where a brand new 1% would eventually control everything.

You don't even have to play make believe to theorize this. Just look at any third world shithole and what goes on after we fund a coup and help out with some drone strikes.

Try googling Are there any theories about why societies fail? https://www.google.com/search?q=are+there+any+theories+about+why+socie
ties+fail


Starting about 500 years ago, from Mexico all the way to Argentina, European diseases killed off the Top 1% of society. With what was left of the Top 1% decapitated by Conquistadors, the next best people did NOT have the mental fortitude it takes to keep society running. Those civilizations left their ruins for tourists. The decedents of the Latin American 99% are living very poorly, making careers as tour guides, waiters, maids or picking bananas in the Banana Republics. Nobody from the lower levels of society stepped up to take the responsibilities that had been handled by the Top 1%.

6ix, Zipf's law does not explain Latin America's continuous collapse that has lasted for centuries, but killing the brains of a society does have explanatory power. If you think the USA can prosper without the people that are now in the Top 1%, you will end up with a life like a Central American peon ruled by a Banana Republic El Presidente Trump.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zipf%27s_law

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Sunday, February 7, 2021 2:37 PM

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Wrong.


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Sunday, February 7, 2021 4:59 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.




Quote:

Try googling Are there any theories about why societies fail? https://www.google.com/search?q=are+there+any+theories+about+why+socie
ties+fail

Yanno, I googled the topic - not using your link - and the top pick answers were Jared Diamond's "Collapse: How Societies Choose to Fail or Survive", but it could as well have been his "Guns, Germs, and Steel" when it comes to Europeans v the western indigenous peoples. (I've read both books - have you?)

And NOBODY who knows anything even begins to credit this statement with any credibility at all:
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Starting about 500 years ago, from Mexico all the way to Argentina, European diseases killed off the Top 1% of society.
Virtually entire functioning societies were felled by European diseases.
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It is estimated that 90% of the indigenous population had been eliminated by disease within the first century of European contact. WIKI
leaving you high and dry with your claim
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killing the brains of a society does have explanatory power
So, not true, but killing up to 90% of entire populations does have explanatory power.


Yet another whole set of lies posted by SECOND. As flamebait rather than actual discussion.

What a surprise. Not.

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Sunday, February 7, 2021 5:45 PM

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Says the Russian troll who lies for a living. ^ Kill yourself, POS.



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Sunday, February 7, 2021 5:45 PM

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Ivanka Trump Used Daddy's Job To Steal MILLIONS





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Sunday, February 7, 2021 6:57 PM

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Says the Russian troll who lies for a living. ^ Kill yourself, POS.





Nineteen.




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Sunday, February 7, 2021 9:01 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by second:
Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:

TPTB decided to eliminate manufacturing for financialism. But that doesn't create wealth, it just concentrates money.

Let's translate that to reality. TPTB is short for The Powers That Be, who are the top 1% of wealth in America. Since WWII, maybe even before that, the Top 1% have ever so slowly, and then faster and faster, shifted their decisions to benefit themselves more and more while benefiting the bottom 99% less and less. The expectation was that the Federal government would step up to the responsibility as the Top 1% stepped down, in the same way as the Federal government took responsibility for ending the Great Depression. The Top 1% have watched with bemusement as the voters in the bottom 99% have squabbled over the size of Federal government's role in looking after the bottom 99%.

Almost everyone supports Medicare for All and ending our foreign wars. But we never get candidates who make good on that. Only the small portion of libertarians fuss about "government's role" ... hardly enuf to make a dent in any election. And you can bet YOUR bottom dollar that it's the bottom-feeding 1% that keeps this "controversy" alive and well, not the top 99%.

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Too many voters can't understand that it is either the Federal government or else nobody will be taking over the responsibilities that once rested exclusively on the shoulders of the wealthy. All this squabbling by voters has kept the Federal government from properly taking over the responsibilities that most of the Top 1% have left behind. Christopher Lasch even wrote the book about this process called The Revolt of the Elites and the Betrayal of Democracy.
The top 1% don't take "responsibility", they are parasites, leeches, on the economy.

Do I want the government to take over the role of being the big leech on the carotid of the economy?

OF COURSE NOT.

What I want the government to do is take a proactive role in limiting the powers of TPTB, leveling the playing field, and reducing the parasitism of the top 1%.

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Sunday, February 7, 2021 9:04 PM

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SECONDRATE Try googling Are there any theories about why societies fail? https://www.google.com/search?q=are+there+any+theories+about+why+socie
ties+fail


Starting about 500 years ago, from Mexico all the way to Argentina, European diseases killed off the Top 1% of society. With what was left of the Top 1% decapitated by Conquistadors, the next best people did NOT have the mental fortitude it takes to keep society running. Those civilizations left their ruins for tourists. The decedents of the Latin American 99% are living very poorly, making careers as tour guides, waiters, maids or picking bananas in the Banana Republics. Nobody from the lower levels of society stepped up to take the responsibilities that had been handled by the Top 1%.

Yanno, it's not often that SECONDRATE is a source of amusement, but I ...literally ... laughed out loud when I read that.

As head-bangingly stupid as it was, it was still funny!



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Sunday, February 7, 2021 10:43 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
The top 1% don't take "responsibility", they are parasites, leeches, on the economy.

Do I want the government to take over the role of being the big leech on the carotid of the economy?

OF COURSE NOT.

What I want the government to do is take a proactive role in limiting the powers of TPTB, leveling the playing field, and reducing the parasitism of the top 1%.



Utopia, or as close as we could ever get to it, would be a system of pure Capitalism via meritocracy where everyone starts with equal opportunity and usury is a crime on the level of murder.

But in a world run on credit that has devolved to the point that Legacy Media articles claim that meritocracy is racist, all we're left with is the Capitalist/Communist hybrid of our current system, which equates to nothing more than a rigged game called Predatory Capitalism.

The game ends when we're all slaves in every single aspect of our lives except the job title.


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Rote a new How Stupid Are We? post.

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Since you posted it, I assume you put it up for discussion, so I'm cross-posting it here


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General Idiocy – Individual Examples – Solutions
The Republican Party Iz On The Line

It’s Monday, February 8th 2021. Tomarow, Trump’s impeachment trial beginz in the Senate. Sins it takes a 2/3 majority to convict, it will take at least 17 Republicanz and all 50 Democrats.

It duznt seem likely at this point.

So far, so good. I don't count a 2/3 majority on this, either.

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The R congressmen and senatorz are still defending Trump after he attempted a self coup.


EVIDENCE? I don't think you have any, but if you do, please bring it forth.

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Sins then the party haz defended a newly seated freshman Congresswoman hoo haz supported the insurrectionists
EVIDNECE? I don't think you have any but, as before, if you do please bring it forth.

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(az well az espousing all sorts uv demented conspirasy theoryz)
It is every American's right to espouse demented conspiracy theories, including yours, JO. (More on that later.)

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wile taking an emerjensy vote to deside wether to sensure their own 3rd ranking senior member for the crime uv voting to impeach Trump.

Seriously.

Wut, you may want to ask them after this, coud Trump possibly do to dezerv impeachment?

Well, I would say it would take EVIDENCE of a serious crime which, so far, seems to be lacking.

Also, in order to be Constitutional it would probably help if he were actually IN OFFICE, because impeaching a private citizen? No bueno.

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Shoot sumwun on 5th Avenue*, like he boasted in 2016 and still get the R votes?

Well, 7 peepl are ded kuz uv the insurrection. A cop and 5 rioterz killed, then 2 cops later commited suiside. So, check the OK box for that.

Well, two people were killed and three died of heart attacks. How many people died because of, or during, the Antifa/BLM riots? A dozen? Two dozen?
More?
How much property damage was done during the Antifa/BLM riots? A million? A billion?
More?
What does it take to count as an insurrection? Or domestic terrorism?

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Commit acts that woud clearly fall outside uv the ‘Christian Values’ the party claimz az their own?

"Christian values" is NOT the standard for impeachable offense! I sggest that you re-read the Consitution and do some research on what the FF Fathers meant by what they wrote before you start waving some sort of nonsensical banner.

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That wun iz ded on arrival. Comicly ded! Repeatedly, serially ded and buried!
As it should be.

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If youv been living in a cave on Pluto, maybe you missed all uv the sex offensez that hav come to lite over the last 6 yirz, any wun uv wich, if commited by a Dem Prez, woud hav Republican larynxez landing on the House chamber carpet from them screaming for impeachment.

And Treazon haz alredy been approved by the party, the entire rite wing media and the voterz. They are all partisipating on sum level in hiz collusion with Putin.

AHEM!
You can't point to some people espousing demented conspiracy theories when you espouse a demented conspiracy theory of your own. EVEN MEULLER, with a significant ax to grind, three (or more) illegal FBI entrapment/surveillance operations backing him, a dozen lawyers, the cooperation of the CIA and MI6, three years, and quite a few million dollars couldn't find evidence for that one. Every time you bring up THIS dead and buried conspiracy theory, you demolish your credibility. I know it's what you truly believe, but have you ever considered the possibility that you might be well and truly wrong???

(Nah .... couldn't be ...)

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Therez nothing left.

(at least nothing reazonable. I can imajin all sorts uv sordid actionz and statements that woud sertainly get him booted out, but even with thoze there woud still be sum appolijist wakkoz concocting cockamamy conspirasy theoryz trying to blame Obama or Hillary)

Over the next few weeks the Senate Republicanz are going to be desiding wether they want to keep Trump az their leader.

They long ago desided they are not Americanz. Their loyalty iz to The Party in spite uv the oath they took to uphold The Constitution.

Well, in the race to see who can destroy the Constitution faster, the DNC seems to be leading. And YOU, JO, are cheerleading that effort. So if anyone should be investigated for anti-American activities, I think it's your turn.

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Now they hav 2 choisez:
Uh oh. Usually means a false dilemma coming up ...

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1. Cut their lossez. Give up on the Trump cult voting block and work to rebild the party’z imaj.

OR

2. Admit he ownz the Republican Party. Sine the title over to him. Forever. To be passed on to Don Jr. after he kiks the buket.

Yep, false dilemma. Like any party, EVEN THE DEMOCRATS, there is hope for true reform.

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Most uv them are too stupid to realize it, but thats wut this impeachment hearing iz about.
So, you want Rs to impeach Trump, now a private citizen, for non-impeachable offenses on the basis of no evidence?

Huh.

Next post, JP, try something other than a rehash of DNC talking points. I think you've been polishing their turds long enuf.

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Monday, February 8, 2021 9:16 AM

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The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two


A memorable campaign ad urged voters to ask themselves which candidate would perform better in an unexpected emergency: “It’s 3 a.m. and your children are safe and asleep, but there’s a phone in the White House and it’s ringing ... Your vote will decide who answers that call.” Franklin D. Roosevelt answered Pearl Harbor. John F. Kennedy answered the deployment of Soviet missiles to Cuba.

Trump failed the 3 A.M. Test. A pandemic began on Donald Trump’s watch, so no speculation is needed. Trump showed us how he did perform in a crisis: He failed. Then he had a second crisis, when he lost the election but wouldn't concede defeat. He failed the test by starting a riot and claiming he won and suing everybody involved in the election but losing all legal cases. Tomorrow, his lawyers will argue that he should have another chance of being President in 2025, so that he can take the 3 A.M. test more times until he finally passes one.

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/10/trump-failed-3-am-te
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Monday, February 8, 2021 10:42 AM

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Trump did win.

Fake election was fake.


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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Trump did win.

Fake election was fake.

That's what Trump said. He also said, “We’re very close to a vaccine,” on February 25, 2020. On February 28, just before an explosion in cases, he told Americans that the virus would soon disappear, “like a miracle.” In early March, long before the typical person could get tested for COVID-19, Trump told Americans that anyone who wanted a test for the disease could get one. On March 24, he asserted that a shutdown lasting months was untenable, in part because suicides “definitely would be in far greater numbers than the numbers that we’re talking about with regard to the virus.” On April 10, Trump said that the final number of U.S. deaths could be as few as 55,000, a mark the country surpassed before the end of that month. A week later, Trump said that the death toll would maybe reach 65,000. In May, he expressed the hope that the pandemic would end with fewer than 100,000 lives lost, though that death toll was quickly exceeded.

Voters need not speculate as to how Trump might perform in a high-stakes emergency, because he showed us how he did perform: He lied to the American public; he did not avert or quickly correct the federal bureaucracy’s most serious errors; he repeatedly gave false assurances that contributed to many Americans being less careful than they should have been; he responded to catastrophic levels of death by pretending that victory was right around the corner, rather than changing strategies; he presided over a country that was outperformed by much of the world; he failed at the simple task of protecting himself and his wife.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Monday, February 8, 2021 11:39 AM

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Originally posted by second:
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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Trump did win.

Fake election was fake.

That's what Trump said.



I don't give a single shit what Trump said.

Mail in ballots are a fraud. Any vote without ID is a fraud.

Any election that allows mail in ballots and no picture ID required when voting is a fraud.



This entire Covid thing was the Democrats getting in bed with the Chinese and figuratively going nuclear to get Trump out of office because despite 4 years of media collusion it was very clear by early 2020 that Trump was going to destroy the Democratic nominee.

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Monday, February 8, 2021 1:45 PM

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I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


JO, this is for you: a REAl real-world discussion about Trump's "crimes", not a slew of DNC propaganda. BTW, some day, when I have a LOT more time than I have now, I'm going to go back and list every single "Russian collusion" claim that the media (including Rachel Madcow) was so breathless about ... like how a Siberian bank "communicated with" a server in Trump Tower ... which will remind you that each and every one of them evaporated like frost in the morning sun.

Because it seems that all it took to hoax you and a lot of others was broadcasting a nonstop blizzard of lies, which you collectively never took the time to examine. Maybe you should go back and examine them now and see how they stand up. Or not.

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Donald Trump may be the most convicted man never charged in America. According to media reports, the Justice Department has decided not to charge Trump with campaign finance violations related to hush money paid to former stripper Stormy Daniels. What was touted by many experts as a slam-dunk criminal charge has now joined a long list of alleged crimes that once were nightly cable-news sensations.

The disconnect between legal analysis and legal reality matters little in today’s media. Many of the same experts now trumpet the charge of criminal incitement in the Jan. 6 Capitol riot. In their minds — unsurprisingly — it is another open-and-shut case. For four years, they have supplied a stream of allegations, all described as conclusive, to feed readers’ and viewers’ insatiable appetites. The campaign finance charge actually was one of the more credible claims, since former Trump lawyer Michael Cohen pleaded guilty to it. However, such crimes are notoriously difficult to litigate, as shown by the failed 2012 prosecution of former presidential candidate John Edwards.

Many of these alleged criminal acts were presented as reassuringly simple and straightforward. Former prosecutor and Washington Post columnist Randall D. Eliason insisted Trump committed bribery in the Ukraine scandal since “allegations of a wrongful quid pro quo are really just another way of saying that there was a bribe … it’s bribery if a quid pro quo is sought with corrupt intent, if the president is not pursuing legitimate U.S. policy but instead is wrongfully demanding actions by Ukraine that would benefit him personally.”

Also, IMHO, "quid pro quo was never demonstrated by the transcript. One would have to spin the conversation in a specific direction in order to reach that conclusion. UNLIKE JOE BIDEN OPENLY BRAGGING THAT HE SUCCESSFULLY WITHHELD MONEY FROM UKRAINE TO GET THEIR PROCURATOR GENERAL FIRED.
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It did not matter that the Supreme Court has roundly rejected such sweeping interpretations of bribery, extortion and related political corruption.
Others claimed Trump committed “felony bribery” by fundraising for Republican senators when he was about to be impeached.

"They" have also tried to indict Trump on bribey charges because some delegations stayed at Trump' hotel Seriously???

One has to assume intentions on both Trump's part and on the other party in order to make a case. But you can't convict based on ASSUMPTIONS, you need EVIDENCE. Something about "habeas corpus" and "innocent until proven guilty"... constitutional and legal standards which Dems are willing to trample in order to "get Trump". Do you really want to destroy the Constitution, JO?

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Former CNN legal analyst and former House impeachment counsel Norm Eisen claimed that, by not responding to Russian aggression,
When? where?
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Trump was “colluding in plain sight”
No idea what THAT was all about! Did Russia invade the USA or any of our alies?
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and the criminal case against him for obstruction of justice was “devastating.” That was in 2018.

Former Watergate prosecutor Nick Ackerman said Donald Trump Jr.’s emails about meeting with Russians at Trump Tower were “almost a smoking cannon,” adding that “there’s almost no question this is treason.”

Except nothing culpable happened in that meeting
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Professor Richard Painter claimed a clear case for treason. Harvard professor Laurence Tribe declared Trump’s dictation of a misleading statement about the Trump Tower meeting constituted witness tampering; Tribe previously found compelling evidence of obstruction of justice, criminal election violations, Logan Act violations, extortion and possible treason by Trump or his family.

Now, experts claim Trump’s Jan. 6 speech clearly was criminal incitement.

But IMHO only if you ignore the part where Trump specifically told people to be peaceful and patriotic. Another overblown hysterial interpretation of events.
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Said CNN legal analyst Elie Honig: “As a prosecutor I’d gladly show a jury Trump’s own inflammatory statements and argue they cross the line to criminality.” Richard Ashby Wilson, associate law school dean at the University of Connecticut, said “Trump crossed the Rubicon and incited a mob to attack the U.S. Capitol as Congress was in the process of tallying the Electoral College vote results. He should be criminally indicted for inciting insurrection against our democracy.”

Many were quick to repeat their certainty of yet another criminal act. Tribe declared: “This guy was inciting not just imminent lawless action, but the violent decapitation of a coordinate branch of the government, preventing this peaceful transition of power and putting a violent mob into the Capitol while he cheered them on.” Bolstering such claims, District of Columbia Attorney General Karl Racine said he was investigating Trump for a possible incitement charge.

What’s strange is that there’s no word of an interview, let alone a charge, on a purportedly clear crime committed more than a month ago. One possible reason is that it would collapse in court. It is much easier to claim easy prosecutions than to prosecute such made-for-TV charges. I do not fault experts for speculating about such a case — but many are claiming, again, that prosecution would be relatively easy. That simply is not true.

The problem is free speech. Trump’s Jan. 6 speech would not satisfy the test in Brandenburg v. Ohio, where the Supreme Court said even “advocacy of the use of force or of law violation” is protected unless it is imminent. Trump did not call for the use of force but actually told people to protest “peacefully” and to “cheer on” their allies in Congress. He later — and too belatedly — repeated that after violence erupted, telling his supporters to respect and obey the Capitol Police.

Racine showed how disconnected these theories are from case law. He noted that Trump failed to “calm them down or at least emphasize the peaceful nature of what protests need to be.” Setting aside that Trump did tell them to protest peacefully, his failure to calm down a crowd is not criminal incitement by omission.

Trump does face ongoing liability — largely the same threats that existed before he became president, in the form of bank, tax and business investigations. But the litany of crimes breathlessly suggested over the last four years passed without charges. Nevertheless, experts have lined up to argue now that there are no free-speech or legal barriers to prosecuting Trump for incitement.

Again, willing to destroy the Constitution to "get Trump". And if this were the ONLY thing that the DNC was willing to destroy, that would be enough to demonstrate their anti-American behavior, but the whole "domestic terrorist" concept (with its attendant surveillance and detenttion of people engaged in free speech) and the willingness to allow monopolies to censor free speech speaks to a whole new level of totalitarianism and actual fascism (not WISHY's imagined version) in government.

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There is now a difference, however: There’s no longer an excuse that Trump cannot be indicted in office (which I do not believe is true), or that he would just pardon himself (which he didn’t do despite predictions he would). What was conveniently hypothetical can be an actual prosecution today. If criminal incitement is such a strong case, make it — charge him. Of course, such prosecutions could come at a cost. Unless there is evidence of direct intent, Trump is likely to prevail at trial or on appeal. He then could claim not just vindication on a federal charge but also on his second impeachment.

There is no crime of incitement for legal analysts who exaggerate or oversimplify criminal provisions; the public can be whipped into a frenzy with claims of easy prosecutions or slam-dunk charges. Many people are addicted to rage and these claims, even if illusory, feed that addiction. It is all entertainment until someone actually tries to bring a prosecution — and that is when reality sets in.



https://jonathanturley.org/2021/02/08/why-has-trump-not-been-charged-w
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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

I don't give a single shit what Trump said.

Mail in ballots are a fraud. Any vote without ID is a fraud.

Any election that allows mail in ballots and no picture ID required when voting is a fraud.

This entire Covid thing was the Democrats getting in bed with the Chinese and figuratively going nuclear to get Trump out of office because despite 4 years of media collusion it was very clear by early 2020 that Trump was going to destroy the Democratic nominee.

Two Trumptard Congressmen died from covid-19 -- Luke Letlow of Louisiana and Ron Wright of Texas. How many have to die before the other Trumptards stop thinking covid-19 is a Democratic/media/Chinese hoax? Is it only 50% or do all 210 of them have to die?

Trump’s Repeated False Attacks on Mail-In Ballots
https://www.factcheck.org/2020/09/trumps-repeated-false-attacks-on-mai
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