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You know Signy, there are things I don't want to think about too deeply or for too long. And one of them is whatever is going on in SECOND's head. I think he's far more deviant than I'd care to imagine. . . .

It's not important to him to BE moral - truthful, honorable, charitable - it's important to not be caught at being everything but.

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China didn't have a seat at the big boy table before Uncle Billy sold us out.

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China cheats alot. Especially by stealing intelectual property.

But, like 2nd sed, America duznt hav any say so about their development.

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Millions of people are convinced an election was stolen, and if you really believe that, you’re already mentally prepared to justify extreme countermeasures.

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You know Signy, there are things I don't want to think about too deeply or for too long. And one of them is whatever is going on in SECOND's head. I think he's far more deviant than I'd care to imagine. . . .

It's not important to him to BE moral - truthful, honorable, charitable - it's important to not be caught at being everything but.

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1kiki, psychoanalyze Biden. I'm fairly sure (if I haven't lost track of the games these pseudonyms are playing) that 1kiki, Signym, and 6ix are strongly opposed to Biden's immigration policy and methods:

How Biden Is Walking His Talk on Unity

There are roughly 11 million undocumented immigrants in the United States today. According to Pew Research, two thirds of them have been in this country for more than 10 years.

Back in 2013, when Congress last considered passing comprehensive immigration reform, the CBO estimated that providing a pathway to citizenship for undocumented immigrants would reduce the federal deficit by $197 billion in the first 10 years and an additional $700 billion in the second decade. Additionally, the Center for American Progress calculated that such reforms would increase the earnings of all American workers by $470 billion over 10 years, increase tax revenue by $109 billion over a decade, and create on average an additional 121,000 jobs per year. Finally, over the next three and a half decades, legalized immigrants would add a net of more than $606 billion to the Social Security system.

When President Biden prioritizes immigration reform, including a pathway to citizenship for undocumented immigrants, the arguments in favor of doing so aren't simply about allowing over 11 million people to come out of the shadows. The economic benefits of doing so would redound to all of us.

But even Republicans like Senator Marco Rubio, who once advocated for immigration reform, have already stated that they will not support Biden's plan.

Coming out of the 2012 election, there were still some Republicans who knew that immigration reform was something their party had to embrace. That is why the bipartisan "gang of eight" produced a bill that passed the Senate by a vote of 68-32. As had become typical of these kinds of negotiations, Republicans pressed for massive spending on border security in exchange for a pathway to citizenship for undocumented workers. But the lunatic caucus in the House threatened to oust Rep. John Boehner as speaker if he brought the bill up for a vote. That is how Republicans killed immigration reform in 2013. Three years later, they elected a president who had based much of his campaign on demonizing immigrants.

Long before his first day in office, Biden knew that, having gone full-nativist over the last eight years, Republicans wouldn't support comprehensive immigration reform—even given the economic benefits of doing so. That is why he took a different approach than the one utilized by President Obama.

Biden didn't pre-negotiate with Republicans. He produced his own plan that didn't include massive spending on border security. As Frank Sharry, founder and executive director of America's Voice, told Ron Brownstein, Biden's approach differed in that it recognized that "Republicans demand way too much in the sausage-making and, in the end, still kill off immigration reform." Sharry went on to say that "Biden is presenting a bill that unifies and inspires the entire Democratic coalition. In effect, he's saying, 'Work with me in good faith, Republicans, to get to 60 votes, and if you don't...we'll find a way to get something done with our 51 votes.'"

That is a perfect example of how Biden is walking the talk when it comes to what he means by unity.

http://immasmartypants.blogspot.com/2021/01/how-biden-is-walking-his-t
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The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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China cheats alot. Especially by stealing intelectual property.

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Prior to passage of the bill, China was subject to an annual review by Congress of China's trade status with the United States. Since 1980, the president has had to issue annual waivers to trade with China. The act removed the review, eased some trade barriers, and facilitated China's entry into the WTO.

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Rewarding 11 Million criminals who have been leaching off of our society not only will not bring any unity to this country, but it will just light the fire under the asses of the next 11 Million criminals to come.

Rinse and repeat until there's nothing left to give away.

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Rewarding 11 Million criminals who have been leaching off of our society not only will not bring any unity to this country, but it will just light the fire under the asses of the next 11 Million criminals to come.

Rinse and repeat until there's nothing left to give away.

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Texas wasn't cooperative with Trump's plan to build a wall because Republicans want cheap illegal laborers. Trump didn't even pretend to have a plan to deport the 11 million illegals, although he had the power and budget to do it. Why didn't he use that power? Because Republican businessmen want cheap illegal laborers, same reason why businessmen don't want a $15/hour minimum wage since that would require paying illegal aliens and citizens $15/hour.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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I checked that wiki article to see if China trade is all Bill Clinton's fault. If Clinton hadn't been President, would China have been able to export to the USA?

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The U.S.–China Relations Act of 2000 is an Act of the United States Congress that granted China permanent normal trade relations (NTR) status (previously called most favoured nation (MFN)) when China becomes a full member of the World Trade Organization (WTO), ending annual review and approval of NTR. It was signed into law on October 10, 2000 by United States President Bill Clinton.

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In 1991, China only accounted for 1% of total imports to the United States.

President Bill Clinton in 2000 pushed Congress to approve the U.S.-China trade agreement and China's accession to the WTO,[13] saying that more trade with China would advance America's economic interests.

By 2018, U.S. manufacturing jobs had decreased by almost 5 million since 2000, with the decline accelerating

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I told you before, I'm not a Republican. I don't disagree with that comment.

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The U.S.–China Relations Act of 2000 is an Act of the United States Congress that granted China permanent normal trade relations (NTR) status (previously called most favoured nation (MFN)) when China becomes a full member of the World Trade Organization (WTO), ending annual review and approval of NTR. It was signed into law on October 10, 2000 by United States President Bill Clinton.

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Parting farewell and fuck you to America by Uncle Billy.

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In 1991, China only accounted for 1% of total imports to the United States.

President Bill Clinton in 2000 pushed Congress to approve the U.S.-China trade agreement and China's accession to the WTO,[13] saying that more trade with China would advance America's economic interests.

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I told you before, I'm not a Republican. I don't disagree with that comment.

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Sure, you are an "Independent" that just so happened to be absolutely sure that Trump would win. I keep hearing other Trumptards claiming to be "Independent" and that they don't agree with every Trump position. These "Independents" vote for Republican politicians because the Democrats are terrible people with awful policies. If you want to pretend you are not a Trumptard, go ahead, but you only fool yourself and other "Independents".

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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The U.S.–China Relations Act of 2000 is an Act of the United States Congress that granted China permanent normal trade relations (NTR) status (previously called most favoured nation (MFN)) when China becomes a full member of the World Trade Organization (WTO), ending annual review and approval of NTR. It was signed into law on October 10, 2000 by United States President Bill Clinton.

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In 1991, China only accounted for 1% of total imports to the United States.

President Bill Clinton in 2000 pushed Congress to approve the U.S.-China trade agreement and China's accession to the WTO,[13] saying that more trade with China would advance America's economic interests.

By 2018, U.S. manufacturing jobs had decreased by almost 5 million since 2000, with the decline accelerating

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Trump decided that if he can't stop China from manufacturing whatever the Chinese want, Trump can stop Americans from buying. Trump raised tariffs, which raised prices, which discouraged Americans from buying Chinese. But he didn't raise the tariffs and the prices high enough to get the Chinese to move their factories into the USA and hire an all American staff of workers. Why did Trump fail? Because Americans didn't want to pay the price for moving factories back to the USA. Until Americans start paying the full price, the factories won't be in America.

https://www.nam.org/state-manufacturing-data/2019-united-states-manufa
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The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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That's not an argument.

That's you trying to shove Bill Clinton's shit back up his asshole 21 years after the fact.

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That's not an argument.

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If you haven't noticed, fuckwit, nobody has any money.

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That's not an argument.
That's you trying to shove Bill Clinton's shit back up his asshole 21 years after the fact.

SECONDRATE: 6IX manufacturing will not move back to the USA unless Americans pay for it.

SIX: If you haven't noticed, fuckwit, nobody has any money.
You can't put the shit back in the horse now. Bill Clinton sold us out to the Chinese 21 years ago and it's been all downhill with no way since to reverse course.
And you want to keep letting more people in illegally to bleed the country and hasten our demise.

SEONDRATE: The U.S. remains by far the richest country in the world, controlling some $105.99 trillion of wealth, or almost 30% of the entire world’s net worth. Since Americans are not willing to use their 30% to create factory jobs in America, the rest of the world will use their 70% to create factory jobs NOT in America. Trump couldn't change where factories are built because he would NOT spend the money. That leaves the Chinese in charge of building new factories, since the Chinese aren't cheapskates refusing to pay for what they want.

https://howmuch.net/articles/distribution-worlds-wealth-2019

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"Americans" are NOT rich, SECONDRATE. SOME American's are rich. SOME Americans refuse to invest in America. Blaming "Americans" for what the tiny fraction of unimagineably wealthy, white Americans (such as yourself) and their satrap politicians have done is blaming the victim, and not only demonstrates (once again) that you hate "Americans", it also demonstrates your rich white privilege. So, let's put the blame where it belongs: on people like you.

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First of all, that it not what the article says and you know it, so you're lying. Again. (But we all know you're a liar.)

This is what the article shows:

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Numbers don't lie, SECONDRATE.

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That is a chart YOU linked to, SECOND, so presumably you buy into their veracity.

What it shows is that Obama and Trump were on the same track, until Covid.

Also, let's not forget that Congress has something to do with it.

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That's not an argument.
That's you trying to shove Bill Clinton's shit back up his asshole 21 years after the fact.

SECONDRATE: 6IX manufacturing will not move back to the USA unless Americans pay for it.

SIX: If you haven't noticed, fuckwit, nobody has any money.
You can't put the shit back in the horse now. Bill Clinton sold us out to the Chinese 21 years ago and it's been all downhill with no way since to reverse course.
And you want to keep letting more people in illegally to bleed the country and hasten our demise.

SEONDRATE: The U.S. remains by far the richest country in the world, controlling some $105.99 trillion of wealth, or almost 30% of the entire world’s net worth. Since Americans are not willing to use their 30% to create factory jobs in America, the rest of the world will use their 70% to create factory jobs NOT in America. Trump couldn't change where factories are built because he would NOT spend the money. That leaves the Chinese in charge of building new factories, since the Chinese aren't cheapskates refusing to pay for what they want.

https://howmuch.net/articles/distribution-worlds-wealth-2019

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"Americans" are NOT rich, SECONDRATE. SOME American's are rich. SOME Americans refuse to invest in America. Blaming "Americans" for what the tiny fraction of unimagineably wealthy, white Americans (such as yourself) and their satrap politicians have done is blaming the victim, and not only demonstrates (once again) that you hate "Americans", it also demonstrates your rich white privilege. So, let's put the blame where it belongs: on people like you.

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If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

THUGR posts about Putin so much, he must be in love.

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First of all, that it not what the article says and you know it, so you're lying. Again. (But we all know you're a liar.)

This is what the article shows



Did you think no one would actually look at your link, SECOND?

Secondly, "the government" CAN'T directly invest in building production facilities, THAT ... according to the rules made up by TPTB... would be outright socialism, and "we" can't have that, it's not acceptable to our oligarchy.


That's why I've posted many times that Trump could never "fix" the economy: a President doesn't have the authority to build steel mills and textile mills and chemical plants and chip fabs and cement kilns. All a President can do, under current lines of authority, is tariff imports to make them price- equivalent to USA-made goods, repatriate capital, and cross his or her fingers. A government CAN'T even invest in telecom or power grids or healthcare bc that would be competing with private businesses.

The only wiggle room a President has is to either invest in (some) infrastructure or warmarking machinery.

Those are not my rules, SECOND, yours.


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That is a chart YOU linked to, SECOND, so presumably you buy into their veracity.

What it shows is that Obama and Trump were on the same track, until Covid.

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So, SECONDRATE, how do you explain why Obama gave money to the banks?

Just like the deficit, the GINI also went up under Obama.

If there's any icon that needs to be taken off it's pedestal, it's Saint Obama.

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That's not an argument.
That's you trying to shove Bill Clinton's shit back up his asshole 21 years after the fact.

SECONDRATE: 6IX manufacturing will not move back to the USA unless Americans pay for it.

SIX: If you haven't noticed, fuckwit, nobody has any money.
You can't put the shit back in the horse now. Bill Clinton sold us out to the Chinese 21 years ago and it's been all downhill with no way since to reverse course.
And you want to keep letting more people in illegally to bleed the country and hasten our demise.

SEONDRATE: The U.S. remains by far the richest country in the world, controlling some $105.99 trillion of wealth, or almost 30% of the entire world’s net worth. Since Americans are not willing to use their 30% to create factory jobs in America, the rest of the world will use their 70% to create factory jobs NOT in America. Trump couldn't change where factories are built because he would NOT spend the money. That leaves the Chinese in charge of building new factories, since the Chinese aren't cheapskates refusing to pay for what they want.

https://howmuch.net/articles/distribution-worlds-wealth-2019

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Trying to be the greatest by holding otherz down iz a craven, self defeating stratejy.

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Hoo wants the Earth to be a collection uv petty minded warring tribez forever?

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What a crock!

I literally laughed out loud when I read this! CHINA didn't move manufacturing into China, CORPORATIONS did!

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manufacturing will not move back to the USA unless Americans pay for it. business gives up making shoes for $2 and selling them for $120

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Taiwan Semiconductor Manufacturing Co. ... Fuyao Glass

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So, SECONDRATE, how do you explain why Obama gave money to the banks?
Just like the deficit, the GINI also went up under Obama.
If there's any icon that needs to be taken off it's pedestal, it's Saint Obama.

SECONDRATE: Obama signed on to the drastic and politically unpopular plan to directly infuse up to $700 billion in taxpayer-backed loans into the U.S. banking industry. Fast forward a few years and the banks paid back those low-cost loans.

Without providing that liquidity, working capital and credit lines to healthy businesses, big and small, would have dried up. blah blah blah....

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How Biden Is Walking His Talk on Unity
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It just so happens that it is Ronald Reagan who got the ball rolling ...

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Republicans want cheap illegal laborers.

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The Federal Government generously spent $7 trillion to reelect Donald Trump

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You're talking to a cult member, Kiki.


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Eh, I'm not sure SECOND actually believes what he posts, and belief is the hallmark of cultism. No, he's just throwing any old piece of go se he can find, whether it's consistent with anything else he posts OR NOT; or addresses the topic OR NOT; or is factual OR NOT; or is truthfully represented OR NOT.

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