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Sunday, May 10, 2020 10:10 AM
SIGNYM
I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.
Quote:Originally posted by THG: Sigs at it again. She argues nothing matters if it's not literally the worst thing happening or has happened. This style of argument is popular with sig who knows she is doing something wrong when applying it. Sig is fully aware that she is covering up Trumps failures as she posts her attempts at fallacy of relative privation. Pointing to other unrelated disasters in an attempt to minimize Trumps Coronavirus response failures. Crawl back under your rock sig. We've seen this from you a hundred times and more. T Deep state describes dedicated, educated professionals.
Sunday, May 10, 2020 11:42 AM
CAPTAINCRUNCH
... stay crunchy...
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM:Have you tried to buy ANYthing that isn't food, lately? Screws, bolts, conduit, brackets, toilet paper, spray bottles ...? Much empty inventory because all made in China.
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: No inventory and just-in-time delivery. Sure, it saves on the cost of keeping parts on-hand but, once again, if your supply lines are interrupted your production is fucked.
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: No spare cash. The BANKS sure don't want you to be solvent- in their bookkeeping, your savings is their liability. (Yes, I know, it sounds backwards but that's how they look at things.) Banks are in the business of making money, NOT by helping you sve but by getting you to BORROW. What's worse is that they literally make that money upout of tin air (fractional reserve banking) so they get to charge real interest on money that make up out of nothing. Because banks are such powerful institutions they have turned us into a nation of debtors, not savers. NATURE's resiliency is based on redundancy. NATURE, which has been time-tested thru millenia for both efficiency and resiliancy, has come up with a model that is more disaster-proof than ours. Our model only rewards efficiency, not resiliency, and is thus subject to many shocks large and small.
Sunday, May 10, 2020 12:57 PM
1KIKI
Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.
Sunday, May 10, 2020 1:07 PM
Quote:US Has 'Limited' Ability To Manufacture Coronavirus Treatments, Vaccines
Quote:A pharmaceutical company CEO says that while the United States may have the capability to deliver coronavirus treatments - if and when available - that the US has limited capacity to manufacture said treatments. "Our distribution capabilities work. I'm not worried about that," said Leonard Schleifer, CEO of pharmaceutical company Regeneron, which is working on a coronavirus treatment. "Our manufacturing capacity, on the other hand...I think our capacity is limited," he added.
Sunday, May 10, 2020 2:17 PM
BRENDA
Sunday, May 10, 2020 3:09 PM
Sunday, May 10, 2020 4:36 PM
Quote:Originally posted by 1KIKI: Hi Brenda! So Quebec and Ontario are scaling back. BC is still on track? How are the rest of the provinces doing? Do you know offhand?
Sunday, May 10, 2020 4:39 PM
Monday, May 11, 2020 8:38 AM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: Quote:US Has 'Limited' Ability To Manufacture Coronavirus Treatments, Vaccines Or PPEs, for that matter. Or fine chemicals. Or steel. Or plastic. Or housewares. Or just about anything that you base a modern economy on. Quote:A pharmaceutical company CEO says that while the United States may have the capability to deliver coronavirus treatments - if and when available - that the US has limited capacity to manufacture said treatments. "Our distribution capabilities work. I'm not worried about that," said Leonard Schleifer, CEO of pharmaceutical company Regeneron, which is working on a coronavirus treatment. "Our manufacturing capacity, on the other hand...I think our capacity is limited," he added. It's not only a 100=year pandemic to prepare for. There is a whole list of catastrophes and disasters, both natural and manmade, that can affect your standard of living. One example, which I've brought up more than once, is THE factory in Japan that made THE plastic used in memories. When it burned down, manufacturing halted. Aside from preparedness and robustness, there is the issue of "balance of trade". The USA gets to buy alottacrap because we have the world reserve currency. The same is not true for other nations... you don't get to endlessly buy without being able to exchange something of real value. One of these days, our reserve currency status is going to end and other nations will refuse to accept the dollar as the worth less currency that it is. There is nothing backing the almighty dollar except our almighty gunboats. And finally ... people have a need to ensure their survival thru some direct means. It is millenia of evolution behind it, which rewards us when we spot a shriveled twig that we know means a yummy tuber in the ground, or we've organized a hunt and finally brought down that monkey/deer that will feed us. As SIX said, people need a purpose. They need agency over their future. One way to assure that agency is to make sure that there is valued, productive work to be done.
Monday, May 11, 2020 9:22 AM
SECOND
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two
Monday, May 11, 2020 9:33 AM
Monday, May 11, 2020 11:18 AM
THG
Quote:Originally posted by captaincrunch: Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: Quote:US Has 'Limited' Ability To Manufacture Coronavirus Treatments, Vaccines Or PPEs, for that matter. Or fine chemicals. Or steel. Or plastic. Or housewares. Or just about anything that you base a modern economy on. Quote:A pharmaceutical company CEO says that while the United States may have the capability to deliver coronavirus treatments - if and when available - that the US has limited capacity to manufacture said treatments. "Our distribution capabilities work. I'm not worried about that," said Leonard Schleifer, CEO of pharmaceutical company Regeneron, which is working on a coronavirus treatment. "Our manufacturing capacity, on the other hand...I think our capacity is limited," he added. It's not only a 100=year pandemic to prepare for. There is a whole list of catastrophes and disasters, both natural and manmade, that can affect your standard of living. One example, which I've brought up more than once, is THE factory in Japan that made THE plastic used in memories. When it burned down, manufacturing halted. Aside from preparedness and robustness, there is the issue of "balance of trade". The USA gets to buy alottacrap because we have the world reserve currency. The same is not true for other nations... you don't get to endlessly buy without being able to exchange something of real value. One of these days, our reserve currency status is going to end and other nations will refuse to accept the dollar as the worth less currency that it is. There is nothing backing the almighty dollar except our almighty gunboats. And finally ... people have a need to ensure their survival thru some direct means. It is millenia of evolution behind it, which rewards us when we spot a shriveled twig that we know means a yummy tuber in the ground, or we've organized a hunt and finally brought down that monkey/deer that will feed us. As SIX said, people need a purpose. They need agency over their future. One way to assure that agency is to make sure that there is valued, productive work to be done. Look - you have mostly really good but unworkable ideas. You're a bit like Trump thinking we can stick a light in our lungs to kill Covid. IF THAT WAS SUCH A GREAT, WORKABLE IDEA, then wouldn't someone(s) much smarter than Trump have already thought it up, and wouldn't we already have it? Great ideas are everywhere. On paper they are worthless.
Monday, May 11, 2020 11:26 AM
Monday, May 11, 2020 11:31 AM
Quote:Originally posted by THG: Quote:Originally posted by captaincrunch: Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: Quote:US Has 'Limited' Ability To Manufacture Coronavirus Treatments, Vaccines Or PPEs, for that matter. Or fine chemicals. Or steel. Or plastic. Or housewares. Or just about anything that you base a modern economy on. Quote:A pharmaceutical company CEO says that while the United States may have the capability to deliver coronavirus treatments - if and when available - that the US has limited capacity to manufacture said treatments. "Our distribution capabilities work. I'm not worried about that," said Leonard Schleifer, CEO of pharmaceutical company Regeneron, which is working on a coronavirus treatment. "Our manufacturing capacity, on the other hand...I think our capacity is limited," he added. It's not only a 100=year pandemic to prepare for. There is a whole list of catastrophes and disasters, both natural and manmade, that can affect your standard of living. One example, which I've brought up more than once, is THE factory in Japan that made THE plastic used in memories. When it burned down, manufacturing halted. Aside from preparedness and robustness, there is the issue of "balance of trade". The USA gets to buy alottacrap because we have the world reserve currency. The same is not true for other nations... you don't get to endlessly buy without being able to exchange something of real value. One of these days, our reserve currency status is going to end and other nations will refuse to accept the dollar as the worth less currency that it is. There is nothing backing the almighty dollar except our almighty gunboats. And finally ... people have a need to ensure their survival thru some direct means. It is millenia of evolution behind it, which rewards us when we spot a shriveled twig that we know means a yummy tuber in the ground, or we've organized a hunt and finally brought down that monkey/deer that will feed us. As SIX said, people need a purpose. They need agency over their future. One way to assure that agency is to make sure that there is valued, productive work to be done. Look - you have mostly really good but unworkable ideas. You're a bit like Trump thinking we can stick a light in our lungs to kill Covid. IF THAT WAS SUCH A GREAT, WORKABLE IDEA, then wouldn't someone(s) much smarter than Trump have already thought it up, and wouldn't we already have it? Great ideas are everywhere. On paper they are worthless. Unworkable ideas that do not lead to discovery are stupid ideas. A waste of time. We all have them. Sig more than most. T
Monday, May 11, 2020 4:38 PM
Quote: CC: Look - you have mostly really good but unworkable ideas. You're a bit like Trump thinking we can stick a light in our lungs to kill Covid. IF THAT WAS SUCH A GREAT, WORKABLE IDEA, then wouldn't someone(s) much smarter than Trump have already thought it up, and wouldn't we already have it? Great ideas are everywhere. On paper they are worthless.
Monday, May 11, 2020 9:08 PM
Tuesday, May 12, 2020 5:29 PM
Tuesday, May 12, 2020 11:29 PM
Wednesday, May 13, 2020 5:59 AM
JO753
rezident owtsidr
Wednesday, May 13, 2020 7:43 AM
Wednesday, May 13, 2020 9:33 AM
Wednesday, May 13, 2020 10:04 AM
Quote:Originally posted by 1KIKI: "Some Covid-19 thoughts" Reopening is a huge political gamble for Trump.
Thursday, May 14, 2020 8:38 AM
Friday, May 15, 2020 11:06 AM
Saturday, May 16, 2020 4:44 PM
Saturday, May 16, 2020 7:19 PM
Saturday, May 16, 2020 11:54 PM
Quote:Originally posted by 1KIKI: Very nice! I hope you have a park nearby and good weather to go with it.
Sunday, May 17, 2020 3:02 AM
Sunday, May 17, 2020 3:42 AM
Quote:Originally posted by 1KIKI: You know me, I've always liked the rain. So I could imagine going out for a nice stroll in the park, and then coming home to a nice warm, dry place. But I know your preference is to sunny and warm and perhaps beautiful blue skies.
Sunday, May 17, 2020 8:11 AM
6IXSTRINGJACK
Sunday, May 17, 2020 11:47 PM
Monday, May 18, 2020 7:55 AM
Tuesday, May 19, 2020 11:11 PM
Wednesday, May 20, 2020 11:31 PM
Quote:COVID Is a Great Scapegoat for the Pre-Existing Collapse of a Rotten Economic 'System' James Howard Kunstler 15 hours ago | 820 words 696 Comments Western Civ’s most infamous encounter with pandemic disease, so far, was the big first wave of the Black Death that had a marathon run from 1346 to 1353. That bug was the real deal. It killed folks left and right, every age group, every social station, and it killed them ugly. Few who caught it survived. Up to half the population of Europe perished, along with a lot of their social and economic ways. The cause of the Black Death was subject to every possible explanation except the actual one, Yersina pestis, a bacterium associated with rats and their insect parasites, fleas and lice, who also enjoyed an association with humans living in the generally squalid conditions of the day — the ancient Roman habit of bathing long forgotten. At the top of their list of causes was an angry God, and his wicked erstwhile subordinate, Satan. The “experts” of that time tended to cluster in the church hierarchy, with its drear obsessions and compulsions. The squishy boundary between the supernatural and reality loosed all manner of derangement. The Jews came in for much vilification, leading to massacres in Strasbourg, Mainz, and Cologne. On the whole, the episode represented a terrific humbling of humanity. The allegory of the Dance Macabre summed it up in mankind’s universal antic journey to the Palookaville of death. A billionaires best friend, Fed Chairman Powell On the plus side, as modern interpolators might say, the bubonic plague winnowed down Europe’s population to a scale more congenial with its resource base. After that big first wave of the disease, land was cheaper and human labor better rewarded. Eventually, more food got around. Incidentally, the plague provoked nostalgia for the classical antiquity of Greece and Rome, especially among the scholars of Florence, launching the extravaganzas of the Renaissance, the Enlightenment, and eventually our own pageant of techno-supremacist Modernity. Covid-19 seems rather a punk-ass illness compared to the Black Death. Its victims by far are people already on a fast track to the last roundup. We know exactly what causes it, if not so exactly its origin, and yet the response among our experts has been far more ambiguous than those long-ago bishops of Christendom to the Great Plague. The various scientists, physicians, public health officers, and politicians seem, to the casual observer, about equally divided between those who consider the corona virus a grave threat and those who insist it’s hardly worse than any annual flu. What is one to believe? Or do? Which brings us to the verge of the Great Opening-up. The current nostalgia for pre-Covid-19 business-as-usual is understandably intense. Gone especially from daily life are all the ceremonies of human togetherness, from gatherings of friends to the casual shoulder-rubbings of urban life to the crowded venues of the lively arts to the great moiling orgies of pro sports. The life of the perpetual jigsaw puzzle, YouTube, and Netflix has proved inadequate to human aspiration. Gone, too, are livelihoods, revenue streams, and rewarding roles in everyday existence. The itch to get out and do, get out and make, get out and be, is overwhelming. Behind those plain yearnings, though, looms the specter of a system that appeared to be already foundering before Covid-19 entered the scene. There is, at least, considerable agreement that the disease catalyzed the disorders of finance and economy and accelerated the damage — just not among the people most responsible for engineering the fragilities that actually crashed things Jerome Powell, Pope of the Church of the Federal Reserve, went on the 60-Minutes show last night to reassure the nation that things will eventually get back to normal. “I think you’ll see the economy recover steadily through the second half of this year.” Yessir, if you say so. Were his fingers crossed? You couldn’t tell because the camera had him framed in a head-shot. Personally, I think the Fed Chairman was blowing smoke up the nation’s wazoo. Spooky as it’s been, the Covid-19 virus has also been a great cover-story for the natural collapse of a severally unbalanced, ecologically unsound, and dishonestly represented set of arrangements that are now unspooling at horrifying speed. The car industry is dying. The airline industry is laying out its fleet of big birds in desert graveyards. The college racketeering operation went off a cliff, along with medical profiteering. Agribusiness no longer has a business model. Hundreds of kinds of services no longer have customers who can afford their offerings from acupuncture to zymurgy. None of that will be fixed by injections of miracle money borrowed from ourselves in quantities that would turn every US citizen into a millionaire — if it wasn’t just pounded down the rat-holes of the stock and bond markets. The big question about the Great Opening-up is when the recognition of all that turns to raw emotion. Covid-19 may still be with us then, but it will be the least of our problems. The masks will come off. The dance will commence.
Thursday, May 21, 2020 5:34 AM
Thursday, May 21, 2020 7:09 AM
Thursday, May 21, 2020 3:40 PM
Friday, May 22, 2020 3:45 AM
JAYNEZTOWN
Friday, May 22, 2020 7:20 AM
Friday, May 22, 2020 10:47 AM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: Will it be "business as usual" after Covid-19?
Saturday, May 23, 2020 6:31 PM
Saturday, May 23, 2020 6:33 PM
Sunday, May 24, 2020 1:47 AM
Monday, May 25, 2020 6:35 AM
Tuesday, May 26, 2020 3:45 AM
Tuesday, May 26, 2020 7:38 AM
Tuesday, May 26, 2020 10:57 AM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: Ok,so SOME scientists are not putting the idea of a deliberately cultured virus out ofthe realm of possibility because SARS-Cov2 not only has an unusual insertion which makes the virus fuse easily with human cells (substituting arginine) but it has a much higher affinity for human ACE-2 sites than for any other possible animal host that they tested. Also, BTW, the "gain of function" research was being done on a lab in N CAROLINA. The Chinese contributor to the paper merely supplied animal-sourced coronaviruses to the (American) lab that was doing the actual research. So, bear with me while I take you on a woo-woo conspiracy theory. Keep in mind that this is pure speculation, but it DOES cause a number of puzzle pieces to fit together. Anyone who has ever scanned the alt-news websites - Jim Willie, Michael Hudson, Max Keiser, and too many others to name - have been warning for YEARS that WWIII was pretty much a foregone conclusion. Why? Because debt at all levels and in all sectors was so high that it could NEVER be repaid. (I agree with that.) They have been saying that the system needs some sort of giant shock, and big distraction - like WWIII - in order to justify cranking up the bank's debt-creation machines to become the lenders and buyers of last resort, ultimate owners of the New world order. Either that, or there was going to have to be a -very unlikely -debt jubilee (Hudson), or a whole new currency would have to be created and the USD reserve currency scrapped (Willie). Take your pick; but whatever happened it was it was going to have to be big, HUGE, on par with the debt overhang. Well, despite provocations by the deep state (Ukraine, Syria) and Trump's vey own foreign policy peeps (Bolt-on, Pompous) WWIII has not come about. Hmmm.... what would fill the bill and justify a giant bank and stock market bailout even better than WWIII? How about a world pandemic, and the shuttering of economies, leading to "stimulus" lending in which - somehow- 95% of the spending favored 0.1% of the people? Sounds like a recipe for success! At least, if you happen to be a member of the elite financiers. Do you suppose this virus and lockdown was the central banks' alternative to WWIII?
Tuesday, May 26, 2020 11:08 AM
Tuesday, May 26, 2020 11:17 AM
Tuesday, May 26, 2020 3:22 PM
Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: My only question is why didn't they spread a much more deadly virus if this was some sort of Agenda 2030 thing? Huge missed opportunity, IMO. They've already trashed the world economy for at least a decade. Why not lower the population by 25% at the same time instead of wiping out less people in a year than die from automobile accidents
Quote:.. most of whom were close to checking out anyhow.
Quote:I don't think this was intentional. At least, I don't think it being released was. It's very possible that it was still genetically modified by humans though, and was somehow let out prematurely (or despite no intentions to release it at all at any point).
Quote:I have to ask myself "who wins?" if this was all according to plan. China certainly didn't make any friends over this, and they're probably hurting more than we are financially. Both right now and in the foreseeable future. The "elites" here? Again... why not wipe out a much larger portion of the world population and only take a half-measure that ensures nearly everyone stays alive but the economy gets tanked.
Quote:We've got 35 Million people in this country alone right now who have heard for months from politicians, scientists, the media and Karens worldwide that what they did for a living wasn't essential.
Quote: Why not just kill them all off if this was the plan?
Quote:Take a moment to empathize with any one of these 35 million people who have spent the last 60 or so days listening to everybody tell them that their existence is worthless. Do Right, Be Right. :)
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