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Dow @ 20K. Time to jump off!

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Monday, April 13, 2020 4:41 PM

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This widely used stock valuation measure says the S&P 500 is 35% overpriced

Stock analyst’s discounted cash flow model calculation pegs S&P 500 fair value at 1,800
(S&P 500 closed today at 2,790. 35% = 1.0 – 1800/2790)

The discounted cash flow (DCF) model is widely used to assess the potential worth of not just stocks but any asset. DCF calculates the present value of future cash flows the asset produces. The key variable in the model is the discount rate — the amount by which we discount amounts that may be earned in the future. The higher the discount rate, the less that future cash flows are worth today.

(To be sure, Deluard had to make a number of other assumptions as well. But playing around with those assumptions turned out to have far less impact on the S&P 500’s value than changing the discount rate. For the record, Deluard assumed that corporate revenues in the first quarter of 2020 will be 25% lower than their year-ago 2019 level and 50% lower in the second quarter. He then assumed that revenues would start to recover and, by the end of 2021, would be back to their pre-COVID-19 trend. He also assumed that the 10-year Treasury yield would be steady at 0.8%, which is close to where it stands today.)

Implied discount rate | S&P 500’s fair value

10.0% | 1,800 (10% is current estimate)

9.8% | 1,851 (9.8% is the long-term average)

8.6% | 2,237

7.7% | 2,600

6.2% | 3,386 (Feb. 19 high)

Here’s how to read Deluard’s results: Given his assumptions, the S&P 500 would have been fairly valued at its Feb. 19 high if we assume a discount rate of 6.2%. If we instead assume a discount rate that is equal to the long-term average, then the S&P 500’s fair value falls to 1,851 — 45% lower than its Feb. 19 high.

The discussion up until this point leads us to the crucial question: How much has the stock market’s discount rate grown since the coronavirus outbreak?

Deluard says that the bond market has already answered the question: The spread between investment grade bond yields and the risk-free rate has increased by between 1.5 and 2 percentage points, while high-yield bond spreads have risen by between 5 and 7 percentage points. The average of these is 3.8 percentage points, and if we add that average to the implied rate at the Feb. 19 high, we get a discount rate of 10.0%.

That translates to an S&P 500 fair value of 1,800.

www.marketwatch.com/story/this-well-known-measure-puts-the-sp-500-at-3
5-overvalued-2020-04-13


The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Monday, April 13, 2020 8:08 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


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Yup. Kind of exactly like you and T having nothing at all to say in JSF's DOW thread until the market tanked.

Exactly like it. Yup.





Dow @ 20K. Time to jump off!

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T

Deep state describes dedicated, educated professionals.




Yeah? What's your point, Ted?

CURRENT DOW: 23,146.94



I'm no fan of the DOW, and I think it's gambling even during good times.

But I won't pass up an opportunity to call you idiots out whenever you serve it up on a silver platter for me.

Do Right, Be Right. :)



Recently you admitted to wish that Kevin was your name.




lol. No I didn't. A deep Google search of my handle and previous post history doesn't show that either, although she claims I said it at some point. I've talked about Kevin Spacey, Kevin Kostner and quoted some links Second has posted that were written by some lefty shill named Kevin Drum, but I've never said my name was Kevin.

That's fine though. I'm alright with the idea that you all think my name is Kevin. You'll have as good of a chance doxxing me one day if you try to find a Kevin in Indiana as you would Jack.

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Who is Ted?


Ted Bundy. That's your nickname now. You earned it.

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If you think that is my name you should back it up with some evidence. Otherwise, I'll know you're just pissed off about your ID being made public, my knowing it, and you are lashing out.


lol sure. But that's not the case here. Please, refer to me as Kevin. Kev is fine too.

Do Right, Be Right. :)


OK I see. Then you are calling me Ted because you're upset and are lashing out. Go for it kev.

T


Deep state describes dedicated, educated professionals.



No, Ted.

You know why your name is Ted. This isn't a new thing. This has been your new name since you started goading people into committing suicide and suggesting that it was funny when others who aren't here might have.

You're gross. Ted.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Tuesday, April 14, 2020 9:17 AM

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That translates to an S&P 500 fair value of 1,800.

www.marketwatch.com/story/this-well-known-measure-puts-the-sp-500-at-3
5-overvalued-2020-04-13

Strategist sees S&P 500 tumbling to as low as 1,275 before a bull market can resume
(Yesterday, S&P500 closed at 2,762)
www.marketwatch.com/story/why-the-stock-market-is-nowhere-near-a-botto
m-and-investors-can-expect-a-massive-hit-2020-04-13?mod=article_inline


The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Tuesday, April 14, 2020 1:06 PM

THG


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Strategist sees S&P 500 tumbling to as low as 1,275 before a bull market can resume
(Yesterday, S&P500 closed at 2,762)
www.marketwatch.com/story/why-the-stock-market-is-nowhere-near-a-botto
m-and-investors-can-expect-a-massive-hit-2020-04-13?mod=article_inline





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Tuesday, April 14, 2020 8:24 PM

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The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two




I had to do some research to understand the above political cartoon.

The Legislature’s Economic High Jump

The NC GOP brags on its budget surplus, which likely will fall well short of what the state will need to address the effects of the COVID-19
https://twitter.com/ColeToon/status/1249693005092700163

The "Berger" in the cartoon is Philip E. Berger, President pro tempore of the North Carolina Senate.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philip_E._Berger

Not unexpectedly, Berger is a small time crook from a rural district, exactly the kind of guy you do NOT want to have control of a government budget.
www.newsobserver.com/news/politics-government/article240202657.html

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Tuesday, May 5, 2020 8:07 AM

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The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two


Why the long run might not bail out your stock portfolio after all

There’s good reason for Warren Buffett to be cautious about making new investments right now.

Because the investment world had gotten used to Buffett exuding supreme optimism about the U.S. economy’s long-term prospects, many were shocked to hear him express less than full-throated confidence about not only the stock market’s near-term but even the intermediate term.

Particularly telling was Buffett’s investment behavior at the March lows. In past crises he has been quick to snatch up shares (or entire companies) at deeply discounted prices. This time, in contrast, despite sitting on a huge pile of cash, he did nothing. “We have not done anything, because we don’t see anything that attractive to do,” Buffett told Berkshire shareholders.

My interpretation of Buffett’s lukewarm endorsement of the U.S. economy: Crises don’t always resolve themselves in a positive way. While they largely have in the past, at least as far as the U.S. stock market is concerned, there is no guarantee that they will do so in the future. Given that, the range of possible futures is wider than we think, and that range only expands as we focus further and further into the future.

If we’re being honest, the range of possible economic outcomes is huge — all the way from “happy days are here again” to a new Dark Ages.

Climate change provides a good example of what I have in mind. Regardless of your views about climate change, its impact over the next 12 months on the range of possible economic and stock market outcomes is negligible. But over the next 100 years, the range extends from no effect to apocalyptic.

Climate change is just one of the things that could have an increasing impact on the range of possible outcomes. Pandemics are another.

More at www.marketwatch.com/story/why-the-long-run-might-not-bail-out-your-sto
ck-portfolio-after-all-2020-05-05


The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Tuesday, May 5, 2020 10:56 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


In other words...

Don't gamble with money you need.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Tuesday, May 5, 2020 10:39 PM

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In other words...

Don't gamble with money you need.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

You came to the wrong conclusion. The right conclusion is to take action against climate change and pandemics rather than hoard money, neglect an expensive problem, and hope the problem solves itself naturally without the government spending to solve it.
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Climate change provides a good example of what I have in mind. Regardless of your views about climate change, its impact over the next 12 months on the range of possible economic and stock market outcomes is negligible. But over the next 100 years, the range extends from no effect to apocalyptic. Climate change is just one of the things that could have an increasing impact on the range of possible stock market outcomes. Pandemics are another.


The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Tuesday, May 5, 2020 10:45 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


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In other words...

Don't gamble with money you need.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

You came to the wrong conclusion. The right conclusion is to take action against climate change and pandemics rather than hoard money, neglect an expensive problem, and hope the problem solves itself naturally without the government spending to solve it.
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Climate change provides a good example of what I have in mind. Regardless of your views about climate change, its impact over the next 12 months on the range of possible economic and stock market outcomes is negligible. But over the next 100 years, the range extends from no effect to apocalyptic. Climate change is just one of the things that could have an increasing impact on the range of possible stock market outcomes. Pandemics are another.


The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly





Then do something about it and don't ask people who don't have money.

I recycle. I don't have kids. I have a very small carbon footprint.

Outside of that, it's your problem, rich guy.

And until you want to talk about overpopulation being the main contributor to climate change, I have nothing to discuss with you on that topic because you're in denial.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Monday, May 11, 2020 10:27 AM

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Then do something about it and don't ask people who don't have money.

I recycle. I don't have kids. I have a very small carbon footprint.

Outside of that, it's your problem, rich guy.

And until you want to talk about overpopulation being the main contributor to climate change, I have nothing to discuss with you on that topic because you're in denial.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

6ix, you are thinking about this as a question of morals. Contrary to that, I see everything as engineering problems and this is a CO2 waste management problem. In my lifetime, Texas built enormously expensive sewage treatment plants to clean up Galveston Bay. Rather than dump their waste directly into the Houston Channel to make more money, the refineries were forced, practically at gunpoint by Democrats in the Texas Legislature, to clean up their liquid waste. The refineries said they would rather close than clean their waste. What a bunch idiots to say that, but they didn't close. They bitterly cleaned up, instead, complaining all the while about how expensive it was. The same needs to be done about gas wastes as was done about liquid waste. The same people who were opposed to cleaning up their liquids because they are so very poor and clean up costs so much money are the people opposed to cleaning up CO2 because it costs too much. Poor babies.

Those babies are people like you, 6ix, always pissing and moaning about there is no money and they can't afford to not dump their waste for free into the water and air. A bunch of lying, stupid, lazy cheapskates too ignorant to clean up their own messes. It took you years to finally clean up the trash you filled your house and garage with, 6ix. Now you live better for having done the work of handling your solid wastes. Your next project should be your gaseous wastes. You will live better once you do the work.
https://e360.yale.edu/features/negative-emissions-is-it-feasible-to-re
move-co2-from-the-air


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Monday, May 11, 2020 10:29 AM

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A Wall Street expert lays out how the stock market's 'downright terrifying' surge within this crisis may be laying the groundwork for another 32% crash

https://web.archive.org/web/20200511082610/www.businessinsider.com/sto
ck-market-crash-crisis-rally-creates-next-downside-jim-paulsen-2020-5


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Thursday, May 14, 2020 12:54 PM

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Trump calls out ‘so-called rich guys’ speaking negatively about the stock market, alleges they are ‘betting big against it,’ as Dow falls 400 points

Donald J. Trump @realDonaldTrump tweeted:
When the so-called “rich guys” speak negatively about the market, you must always remember that some are betting big against it, and make a lot of money if it goes down. Then they go positive, get big publicity, and make it going up. They get you both ways. Barely legal?
9:16 AM - May 13, 2020
www.marketwatch.com/story/as-dow-falls-500-points-trump-calls-out-so-c
alled-rich-guys-speaking-negatively-about-the-stock-market-says-they-are-betting-big-against-it-2020-05-13


Trump might know what he is talking about because he did it in the 1980s:

Between 1986 and 1988, Trump's businesses were really struggling, the Times reports. Yet he was still raking in millions of dollars on the stock market. His methods, however, were questionable, to say the least. But he dodged the Security and Exchange Commission. Not only were Trump's business ethics sketchy, his actions might have been outright against federal law.
https://theweek.com/speedreads/840126/trump-might-have-reportedly-ille
gally-manipulated-market-80s


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Friday, June 5, 2020 11:06 PM

JO753

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The Dow jumped up 827 points today to over 27,000.

Anybody besidez me thinking now woud be a great time to dive off and swim to shore?

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Friday, June 19, 2020 9:54 PM

JO753

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Friday, June 19, 2020 10:11 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


He was young. I suspect he hadn't been through anything remotely serious to that point. He hadn't learned yet that you can survive a lot of adversity.

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Friday, June 19, 2020 10:23 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


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Originally posted by JO753:
The Dow jumped up 827 points today to over 27,000.

Anybody besidez me thinking now woud be a great time to dive off and swim to shore?

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lol did it?

It's so nice not having those numbers in my mind at all anymore.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Friday, June 19, 2020 10:29 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


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https://www.techtimes.com/articles/250416/20200618/college-student-com
mits-suicide-after-online-trading-platform-robinhood-showed-his-negative-730-000-debt.htm


Sum peeps go overboard with the reaction.

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If anybody believes that a 20 year old killed himself over only this, they're retarded.

There's zero chance something like this would ever stick, and his life wouldn't have been ruined. The forbes article even stated that it wasn't actually 3/4 of a million in debt he'd gotten himself into.


All he had to do was talk to his parents. He was already living at home. But that thought didn't even cross his mind, and he went straight for jumping in front of a train.


Something isn't adding up here.


Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Sunday, June 21, 2020 3:51 PM

JO753

rezident owtsidr


Thats teenajerz* for you. Pull the plug over a hangnail!

For JSF and anybody else hoo haz stok, wile you were sleeping, Warren 'The Buff' Buffet declared that the stok market iz in fantasy land and due for a big reconing.

Wen The Buff toks, sheeple lissen.



*he wuz 20, but its not like you wake up on your B-day and sudenly are an adult.

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Sunday, June 21, 2020 7:47 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


The stock market is always in fantasy land.

Bunch of sheep playing slot machines is all.

Boomers are the last generation that are going to make any profits. It's all losers from here on out.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Monday, June 29, 2020 6:23 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


From 21 March:
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BTW... Has anybody heard from JSF? I'm actually kind of worried about him right now. I think he's been just about obsessed with the DOW numbers the last few years as the TDS sufferers have been about Trump.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

Not obsessed, just that numbers are easy for me.

16 March was the last day before the libraries were closed, and thier computers.

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Tuesday, June 30, 2020 3:11 AM

JO753

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Welkum bak!

So did you finally make a killing on stoks and spring for your own internet connection?

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Tuesday, June 30, 2020 2:53 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


My stocks and mutual funds are in my retirement account. Yes, I did make some nice gains in the valuation of y retirement account.

This thread provides a large body of my posts, and therefore it should be no surprise what I did, and what I would have recommended anybody else do during the past few months.

When the market dropped, that would be the time to buy in stocks - buying whichever stock r fund dropped the most. Unless there was some valid rason that such a fund would not, for some reason, rebound.

I had most of my money in 2 funds, called Common Stocks and Small Capital Stocks. When the market dropped, I looked and sdaw that my S Fund had dropped at a larger percentage than my C Fund. Therefore, I transferred much of my C Fund(which had retreained more of it's value) balance into my S Fund (which will have a greater percentyage of gain on rebound).

When the Market (and S Fund) has regained their prior levels, I can transfer much of this allocation back to the C Fund, to cement my gains.

But readers of this thread, I am sure, already knew all of that would happen, and didn't need me her pointing it all out every step of the way.

As of today, there is still a little dip from when it was around 28K a few weeks ago. So those who haven't yet could still now do the same movements which were available a month or so ago.


I use my phone for most of my internat connection. Last year the combination of my phone and this site stopped allowing me to login. One other site seems to have same or similar problem. At least one other site I do not wnt to connect to except via anonymous computer, such as the library or other public computer - not my personal PC or my phone.
I have been able to survive without posting daily here. Sorry if anybody perished due to my lack of posting.

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Tuesday, June 30, 2020 2:59 PM

THG


JSF posts "My stocks and mutual funds are in my retirement account. Yes, I did make some nice gains in the valuation of y retirement account" yet he couldn't log on to this site for months until he had access to a Library computer. Why, obviously he can't afford one.

First, enough of your bullshit. Stocks and mutual funds my ass. Second, it's kiki posting as JSF. Aside from Jack she is next in line to receive the moron tag. What a stupid web of lies she's weaved. At any rate, JSF is a lying wacko.

Shoo comrade

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Tuesday, June 30, 2020 3:41 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


The internet is free (or next to it) for people who can't afford it, dummy.

I too, wonder why JSF doesn't have internet at home, but it's very unlikely it has anything to do with lack of funds.



Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Wednesday, July 1, 2020 1:51 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


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The internet is free (or next to it) for people who can't afford it, dummy.

I too, wonder why JSF doesn't have internet at home, but it's very unlikely it has anything to do with lack of funds.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

Spot on.

I need to go to the library to use the computer because kiki keeps hogging the internet at the house. Always looking up data, facts, researching info and stuff.

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Friday, July 10, 2020 2:03 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Yesterday Dow closed at 25,706.

Closed at 18,591 on 23 March.

Closed at 27,572 on 8 June.

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Saturday, July 11, 2020 2:00 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Dow closed yesterday at 26,075.

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Monday, July 13, 2020 8:27 AM

JO753

rezident owtsidr


Putin iz propping up the stok market. If youre lucky, he will try to win the election for Trump by throwing a HYOOJ dripping fecal greasball uv cash at it in late October. Make it vault over 30,000.

It will crash soon after. Maximum kaos.

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Wednesday, July 15, 2020 2:56 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Yesterday Dow closed at 26,642.

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Thursday, July 16, 2020 4:53 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Yesterday Dow closed at 26,870
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Thursday, July 16, 2020 5:00 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Quote:

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My stocks and mutual funds are in my retirement account. Yes, I did make some nice gains in the valuation of y retirement account.

This thread provides a large body of my posts, and therefore it should be no surprise what I did, and what I would have recommended anybody else do during the past few months.

When the market dropped, that would be the time to buy in stocks - buying whichever stock r fund dropped the most. Unless there was some valid rason that such a fund would not, for some reason, rebound.

I had most of my money in 2 funds, called Common Stocks and Small Capital Stocks. When the market dropped, I looked and sdaw that my S Fund had dropped at a larger percentage than my C Fund. Therefore, I transferred much of my C Fund(which had retreained more of it's value) balance into my S Fund (which will have a greater percentyage of gain on rebound).

When the Market (and S Fund) has regained their prior levels, I can transfer much of this allocation back to the C Fund, to cement my gains.

But readers of this thread, I am sure, already knew all of that would happen, and didn't need me her pointing it all out every step of the way.

As of today, there is still a little dip from when it was around 28K a few weeks ago. So those who haven't yet could still now do the same movements which were available a month or so ago.


I use my phone for most of my internat connection. Last year the combination of my phone and this site stopped allowing me to login. One other site seems to have same or similar problem. At least one other site I do not wnt to connect to except via anonymous computer, such as the library or other public computer - not my personal PC or my phone.
I have been able to survive without posting daily here. Sorry if anybody perished due to my lack of posting.

I did not go into detail before, but now we can look at a few interesting dates.

Let's look at simple numbers, for instance on 12 Feb we can start with $100,000 in the Account, equally split between the Common Stock (C) Fund and the Small Cap (S) Fund, which are 2 heavily used Funds available in this Family.
Obviously, similar performances can be found in other Fund Families or Retirement portfolios.



Values with no change between funds:

DayMo DowJIA CFund Price SFund C Value S Value C+SValue C Shares S Shares
12Feb 29,551 $49.5241 $58.5068 $50,000 $50,000 100,000 1009.6095 0854.6015
28Feb 25,409 $43.3479 $51.4499 $43,764 $43,969 $87,734 1009.6095 0854.6015
2 Mar 26,703 $45.3408 $53.0054 $45,777 $45,299 $91,075
12Mar 21,200 $36.4219 $39.8265 $36,772 $34,036 $70,808
23Mar 18,591 $32.8598 $34.6350 $33,176 $29,591 $62,766
1 Apr 20,943 $36.2950 $37.9828 $36,644 $29,591 $69,104
8 Jun 27,572 $47.6757 $55.8492 $48,134 $47,729 $95,863
14Jul 26,642 $47.2391 $53.8560 $47,693 $46,025 $93,718
Return to hi $49.5241 $58.5068 $50,000 $50,000 100,000 1009.6095 0854.6015

I've highlighted the 2 March Dow close of 26,703 and the almost as high close of 26,642 on 14 Jul to show the Fund performance alone added nearly $2,700 on it's own during this period.

As I've explained many times before, at a time like 23 March, when a fund has retained more of its value (like the C Fund), you can sell that and buy into one which has more value to recover (like the S Fund here).

Values when transferring C Fund Shares to S Fund Shares on 23 March:

DayMo DowJIA CFund Price SFund C Value S Value C+SValue C Shares S Shares
12Feb 29,551 $49.5241 $58.5068 $50,000 $50,000 100,000 1009.6095 0854.6015
28Feb 25,409 $43.3479 $51.4499 $43,764 $43,969 $87,734 1009.6095 0854.6015
2 Mar 26,703 $45.3408 $53.0054 $45,777 $45,299 $91,075
12Mar 21,200 $36.4219 $39.8265 $36,772 $34,036 $70,808
23Mar 18,591 $32.8598 $34.6350 $33,176 $29,591 $62,766 ----.---- 1812.7407
1 Apr 20,943 $36.2950 $37.9828 $--,--- $68,853 $68,853
8 Jun 27,572 $47.6757 $55.8492 $--,--- 101,240 101,240
14Jul 26,642 $47.2391 $53.8560 $--,--- $97,627 $97,627
Return to hi $49.5241 $58.5068 $--,--- 106,058 106,058 ----.---- 1812.7407

This helps demonstrate another $4,000 gain from this simple transfer, above the gains made by the fund performances.
That is a simple 4% gain, just be outsmarting the Libtard Chicken Littles.


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Monday, July 20, 2020 4:56 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Quote:

Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
My stocks and mutual funds are in my retirement account. Yes, I did make some nice gains in the valuation of y retirement account.

This thread provides a large body of my posts, and therefore it should be no surprise what I did, and what I would have recommended anybody else do during the past few months.

When the market dropped, that would be the time to buy in stocks - buying whichever stock r fund dropped the most. Unless there was some valid rason that such a fund would not, for some reason, rebound.

I had most of my money in 2 funds, called Common Stocks and Small Capital Stocks. When the market dropped, I looked and sdaw that my S Fund had dropped at a larger percentage than my C Fund. Therefore, I transferred much of my C Fund(which had retreained more of it's value) balance into my S Fund (which will have a greater percentyage of gain on rebound).

When the Market (and S Fund) has regained their prior levels, I can transfer much of this allocation back to the C Fund, to cement my gains.

But readers of this thread, I am sure, already knew all of that would happen, and didn't need me her pointing it all out every step of the way.

As of today, there is still a little dip from when it was around 28K a few weeks ago. So those who haven't yet could still now do the same movements which were available a month or so ago.


I use my phone for most of my internat connection. Last year the combination of my phone and this site stopped allowing me to login. One other site seems to have same or similar problem. At least one other site I do not wnt to connect to except via anonymous computer, such as the library or other public computer - not my personal PC or my phone.
I have been able to survive without posting daily here. Sorry if anybody perished due to my lack of posting.

I did not go into detail before, but now we can look at a few interesting dates.

Let's look at simple numbers, for instance on 12 Feb we can start with $100,000 in the Account, equally split between the Common Stock (C) Fund and the Small Cap (S) Fund, which are 2 heavily used Funds available in this Family.
Obviously, similar performances can be found in other Fund Families or Retirement portfolios.



Values with no change between funds:

DayMo DowJIA CFund Price SFund C Value S Value C+SValue C Shares S Shares
12Feb 29,551 $49.5241 $58.5068 $50,000 $50,000 100,000 1009.6095 0854.6015
28Feb 25,409 $43.3479 $51.4499 $43,764 $43,969 $87,734 1009.6095 0854.6015
2 Mar 26,703 $45.3408 $53.0054 $45,777 $45,299 $91,075
12Mar 21,200 $36.4219 $39.8265 $36,772 $34,036 $70,808
23Mar 18,591 $32.8598 $34.6350 $33,176 $29,591 $62,766
1 Apr 20,943 $36.2950 $37.9828 $36,644 $29,591 $69,104
8 Jun 27,572 $47.6757 $55.8492 $48,134 $47,729 $95,863
14Jul 26,642 $47.2391 $53.8560 $47,693 $46,025 $93,718
Return to hi $49.5241 $58.5068 $50,000 $50,000 100,000 1009.6095 0854.6015

I've highlighted the 2 March Dow close of 26,703 and the almost as high close of 26,642 on 14 Jul to show the Fund performance alone added nearly $2,700 on it's own during this period.




As I've explained many times before, at a time like 23 March, when a fund has retained more of its value (like the C Fund), you can sell that and buy into one which has more value to recover (like the S Fund here).

But even if you didn't hit the 23 Mar date, you can


Values when transferring C Fund Shares to S Fund Shares on 23 March:

DayMo DowJIA CFund Price SFund C Value S Value C+SValue C Shares S Shares
12Feb 29,551 $49.5241 $58.5068 $50,000 $50,000 100,000 1009.6095 0854.6015
28Feb 25,409 $43.3479 $51.4499 $43,764 $43,969 $87,734 1009.6095 0854.6015
2 Mar 26,703 $45.3408 $53.0054 $45,777 $45,299 $91,075
12Mar 21,200 $36.4219 $39.8265 $36,772 $34,036 $70,808
23Mar 18,591 $32.8598 $34.6350 $33,176 $29,591 $62,766 ----.---- 1812.7407
1 Apr 20,943 $36.2950 $37.9828 $--,--- $68,853 $68,853
8 Jun 27,572 $47.6757 $55.8492 $--,--- 101,240 101,240
14Jul 26,642 $47.2391 $53.8560 $--,--- $97,627 $97,627
Return to hi $49.5241 $58.5068 $--,--- 106,058 106,058 ----.---- 1812.7407

This helps demonstrate another $4,000 gain from this simple transfer, above the gains made by the fund performances.
That is a simple 4% gain, just be outsmarting the Libtard Chicken Littles.

DayMo DowJIA CFund Price SFund C Value S Value C+SValue C Shares S Shares
12Feb 29,551 $49.5241 $58.5068 $50,000 $50,000 100,000 1009.6095 0854.6015
28Feb 25,409 $43.3479 $51.4499 $43,764 $43,969 $87,734 1009.6095 0854.6015
2 Mar 26,703 $45.3408 $53.0054 $45,777 $45,299 $91,075
12Mar 21,200 $36.4219 $39.8265 $36,772 $34,036 $70,808
23Mar 18,591 $32.8598 $34.6350 $33,176 $29,591 $62,766 ----.---- 1812.7407
1 Apr 20,943 $36.2950 $37.9828 $--,--- $68,853 $68,853
8 Jun 27,572 $47.6757 $55.8492 $--,--- 101,240 101,240
14Jul 26,642 $47.2391 $53.8560 $--,---
Return to hi $49.5241 $58.5068 $--,--- 106,058 106,058 ----.----





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Thursday, July 23, 2020 4:42 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Dow closed yesterday at 27,005.

That is 8,6% off the All-Time Record High.

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Thursday, July 30, 2020 3:10 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


On Tuesday Dow closed at 26,379. More bargain pricing.

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Tuesday, August 4, 2020 2:24 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Dow closed at 26,428 last Friday. A decent buy-in price.

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Wednesday, August 5, 2020 5:57 AM

JO753

rezident owtsidr


Frend uv mine scored big with Kodak stok. Got it wen it wuz nearly worthless then sold wen it jumped way up to 60$.



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Wednesday, August 5, 2020 11:53 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


If that's true, the man's a genius.

It was $2.62 on July 27th. It was less than $8 a share on the 28th of July. It closed on the 29th at $33.20 a share, so it wasn't up at $60 for very long before closing out the day at about half that price. It's at $15.32 right now.

Now it's under an SEC investigation and Motley Fool is telling everyone to stay away from it.




Me wondering if your buddy has shady friends in high places, or if he just made a deal with the devil himself.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Thursday, August 6, 2020 8:40 AM

JO753

rezident owtsidr


I probably didnt recall the numberz and dates correctly. I think he sed he got a big pile uv sharez yirz ago wen they declared bankrupsy.

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Thursday, August 6, 2020 11:15 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


I'm certainly not a pro, and I don't follow the market at all anymore, but I wanted to get a feel for how he made his money after you said that. So I googled Kodak stock and couldn't see anything at all recently showing anything close to $60. So put their graph to the "max" and it went out what looks to be about 7 years back and still nothing coming close to $60.


Then I googled Kodak 60 per share and the Motley Fool article came up about this all happening last week.

https://www.fool.com/investing/2020/08/03/why-kodak-stock-plummeted-to
day.aspx




Looks like they did some pretty shady shit too, like giving the executive chairman 1.75 million stock options just before a deal to produce covid related pharmaceutical components was announced to the public. A deal that saw their stock rise over 2500% in a very short time, which would have made the dude a mega-millionaire had the stock prices not fallen sharply almost overnight.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Thursday, August 6, 2020 1:14 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Dow closed yesterday at 27,201.

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Friday, August 7, 2020 12:01 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Dow closed yesterday at 27,386.

That is 7.3% off the Record All-Time High.

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Saturday, August 8, 2020 12:42 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Dow closed yesterday at 27,433.

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Tuesday, August 11, 2020 4:36 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Dow closed at 27,791 yesterday.

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Wednesday, August 12, 2020 7:32 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Dow closed today at 27,976.

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Tuesday, August 18, 2020 5:01 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Dow closed today at 27,778.

S&P 500 closed today at 3,389. That is a new All-Time Record High.

NASDAQ closed today at 11,210. That is a new All-Time Record High.

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Monday, August 24, 2020 7:14 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Dow Closed today at 28,308. This is 4.2% off the Record All-Time High.

That is the highest since 21 February.


S&P 500 closed at 3,431. That is an New Record All-Time High.

NASDAQ closed at 11,379. That is an New Record All-Time High.

Already last week news was reporting that this was the fastest recovery ever, measured by blah blah, referenced by blah blah.

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Monday, August 24, 2020 8:23 PM

JONGSSTRAW


So what's the big comeback based on? With the ongoing constraints on businesses, and the ongoing steady amount of new Covid cases, I don't understand what's going on with the markets' quick bounce-back. The financial "pundits" on tv just go on and on every day talking about this and that, like everything's just fine and dandy. I don't believe it is. I heard one guy predicting a new mortgage default crisis due to the swollen unemployment numbers. I can believe that a lot more than these fantasy sleigh rides the Dow and Nasdaq have been taking the last few months.

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Monday, August 24, 2020 9:11 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


All the money the Fed is creating and making available to the US government and the banks ... for a fee ... is going straight to the stock markets and bypassing the US economy as a whole.

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Tuesday, August 25, 2020 4:29 PM

JO753

rezident owtsidr


US gummit and banks AND Trump croniez.

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Tuesday, August 25, 2020 9:05 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK




Do Right, Be Right. :)

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