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Friday, March 27, 2020 2:44 PM

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Originally posted by second:
6ix, I have heard hundreds of Republicans claim they are anything but. Some use the word "Independent" to describe themselves. Make life simple and call yourself a "Republican", 6ix, and get paid to write GOP propaganda.

I've got too much integrity to sell out like that. I took a course of Six Sigma back at the last good job I had, and although it was a mortifying task, I went through the whole thing and aced it. I wanted to know more. I wanted to know as much as I could so I could see more inside the minds of human beings who could ever do such work for a living, and wonder how they can sleep at night.

My only answer is that in training to become the biggest liars in the world outside of maybe politicians and lawyers, they also learn to drink their own Kool-Aid as a self defense mechanism so they don't blow their own brains out.

My post history here dates back to somewhere around 2006. Nobody ever would have mistaken me for a Republican back then.

Democrats in the last 5 years are completely unrecognizable to what they were in the 90's to late 2000's.

Though the pendulum has not yet started to shift the other way, it's just about at its.maximum height on the left, and will sit there for a little while before coming back down. I don't imagine I'll be considered this far on the Right for too much longer.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Monday, March 30, 2020 6:47 AM

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Quote:
Originally posted by second:
6ix, I have heard hundreds of Republicans claim they are anything but. Some use the word "Independent" to describe themselves. Make life simple and call yourself a "Republican", 6ix, and get paid to write GOP propaganda.

I've got too much integrity to sell out like that. I took a course of Six Sigma back at the last good job I had, and although it was a mortifying task, I went through the whole thing and aced it. I wanted to know more. I wanted to know as much as I could so I could see more inside the minds of human beings who could ever do such work for a living, and wonder how they can sleep at night.

My only answer is that in training to become the biggest liars in the world outside of maybe politicians and lawyers, they also learn to drink their own Kool-Aid as a self defense mechanism so they don't blow their own brains out.

My post history here dates back to somewhere around 2006. Nobody ever would have mistaken me for a Republican back then.

Democrats in the last 5 years are completely unrecognizable to what they were in the 90's to late 2000's.

Though the pendulum has not yet started to shift the other way, it's just about at its.maximum height on the left, and will sit there for a little while before coming back down. I don't imagine I'll be considered this far on the Right for too much longer.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

6ix, you are completely a Republican. Cut the goddamn crap and admit you are Trump's servant/soldier/follower/voter. Somewhere in your secret soul, you think you are better than that, but from what I read about you, you are NOT.

America’s Diseased Politics

The Republicans are confronting the coronavirus with nihilism—and the Democrats are responding with impotence.

It’s not just that Trump has failed to muster an effective governmental defense against a pandemic that is already putting overwhelming pressure on every spot where society is weak, although he has, of course, failed at that. Trump fundamentally resents having to do any of the work or shoulder any of the responsibility of being president, which he clearly believed was a job more akin to being the grand marshal of a parade; now that a real existential crisis has descended on the parade grounds, he’s not even really trying to do any of that. What he has done instead, and will continue to do, is bring his few blunt tools—unflagging shamelessness and aggression, a knack for pushing on bruises and shoving others into traffic, and a wild and blank antipathy for other people—to bear against a literal virus, and hope that it results in compelling enough television to keep him in power.

Metaphors fail daily: Trump really would sooner risk the lives of a million strangers than do his job, and his party is quite willing to go along with it. In the absence of an opposition party willing and able to point any of that out or call it what it is, the nation is more or less left to take him at his word. Where and when the media takes up the challenge of doing the basic civic work that Democrats can’t or won’t, it lets Trump spin a once-in-a-generation crisis as Another Media Thing. And that renders the whole episode as just another argument to have on television.

It is true that Trump needs something to push against, but that’s not a very convincing argument against opposing him at a moment like this. Trump has pivoted emptily in an attempt to make the pandemic something he can fight—malicious gossip, then a media conspiracy, then a crudely racialized threat, and finally a pseudo-war. Trump will endeavor to use it to his advantage because that is the only thing he ever does; he will categorize the Democrats as pro-virus and pro-recession because it’s the only thing he knows how to do. Nothing the party does or does not do will change that.

But the Democrats’ response to a president and a party that is openly saying that hundreds of thousands of deaths is a reasonable price to pay for Getting the Economy Going simply cannot be joining with stakeholders from all sides and trying to find a way to get that number a little lower. Nor is it the Pelosi-approved method of waiting for voters to punish the offending parties at the ballot box after months of unimaginable and preventable suffering.

At this moment, erring on the side of saying or doing too little instead of too much would be not just infuriating in the typical Democratic ways but devastating and damning in essential ones: The crystalized threat presented by this crisis and this moment requires a clear and commensurate response in both words and deeds. Strategically lying low or working the angles—such as gaming the outcomes within the denser stretches of mundane appropriations bills—doesn’t work terribly well in comparatively normal circumstances. But the Democrats’ usual tactics are terrifyingly insufficient when they’re deployed in response to business interests and reactionary politicians opting into a holocaust in the best interests of a market. It is ghoulish in the most contemporary of ways that this sort of thing is even up for debate, but it’s most important to see the effort to counter it as what it is: not a political campaign but an existential one, and so not the sort of thing that you get to do twice.

More at https://newrepublic.com/article/157039/americas-diseased-politics-coro
navirus-legislation

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Monday, March 30, 2020 8:36 AM

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Originally posted by second:
6ix, you are completely a Republican. Cut the goddamn crap and admit you are Trump's servant/soldier/follower/voter.

I'm certainly not a Democrat in 2020. And I certainly will be a Trump voter.

But just like 6ix = Ted Bundy is to Second = Anne Frank is a load of black and white horseshit, so too is 6ix = Trump Voter is to 6ix = Trump Soldier is to 6ix = Trump Follower is to 6ix = Trump Servant.

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Somewhere in your secret soul, you think you are better than that, but from what I read about you, you are NOT.

My secret soul? WTF are you talking about? I'm a open book. I'll tell you straight to your face I'm better than you. And I don't give two shits what uninformed opinion your simple mind comes up with.

Your article, as per usual, sucks. Not even worth discussing.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Monday, March 30, 2020 9:13 AM

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

6ix, have you ever heard of The Sheep and the Goats? Trump's a goat. You are a goat. You are a Republican, not an Independent thinker, some third kind of domesticated animal.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Sheep_and_the_Goats

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Monday, March 30, 2020 9:40 AM

You're a Democrat. You all share a brain in that Liberal Hivemind.

The day they figure out how to jack your heads into the internet and program you directly is the beginning of the true Zombie Apocalypse.

Keep reading Vox and preaching. You're already halfway there.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Monday, March 30, 2020 10:43 AM

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
You're a Democrat. You all share a brain in that Liberal Hivemind.

The day they figure out how to jack your heads into the internet and program you directly is the beginning of the true Zombie Apocalypse.

Keep reading Vox and preaching. You're already halfway there.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

One thing I've mentioned repeatedly is that my business is natural gas. That does not align me with your idea of a Democratic hive mind, which is opposed to CO2. I am also for arresting every Mexican in Texas, then deporting them, mainly because that would hurt Republican Texans I know hiring Mexicans. I haven't emphasized that often enough so that it would sink into your feeble memory, but that is also the opposite of the Democratic Party position. Then there is my position on guns/hunting, which also does not match the Democratic Party.

If there was one thing making me a Democrat it was Richard Nixon's version of Vietnam. Strategically, it was an idiotic fiasco, one which the Republicans defended as necessary to protect America. That was a flat lie, as was their claims that the War was being fought intelligently and courageously, not to make money. Bush II's Iraq War II, and all the Republicans supported that 21st Century fiasco, reminded me of Vietnam. And then there is 6ixStringJack, the "lol" retard: http://fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=63571&mid=10978
89#1097889

Per the usual from a Republican, whether it's Vietnam in 1970 or Covid-19 in 2020, "lol" Republicans are idiots who are certain they are smarter than anybody about everything. The kind of people who vote a second time for Nixon or Bush II or Trump are the blockheads of America. I won't join you, which leaves me with either the Democrats or not voting. Doing nothing is not for me, so Democrats it is. Better them than voting along with the blockheads of the GOP.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Monday, March 30, 2020 11:27 AM

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Originally posted by second:
Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
You're a Democrat. You all share a brain in that Liberal Hivemind.

The day they figure out how to jack your heads into the internet and program you directly is the beginning of the true Zombie Apocalypse.

Keep reading Vox and preaching. You're already halfway there.

Do Right, Be Right. :)
One thing I've mentioned repeatedly is that my business is natural gas. That does not align me with your idea of a Democratic hive mind, which is opposed to CO2. I am also for arresting every Mexican in Texas, then deporting them, mainly because that would hurt Republican Texans I know hiring Mexicans. I haven't emphasized that often enough so that it would sink into your feeble memory, but that is also the opposite of the Democratic Party position. Then there is my position on guns/hunting, which also does not match the Democratic Party.

If there was one thing making me a Democrat it was Richard Nixon's version of Vietnam. Strategically, it was an idiotic fiasco, one which the Republicans defended as necessary to protect America. That was a flat lie, as was their claims that the War was being fought intelligently and courageously, not to make money. Bush II's Iraq War II, and all the Republicans supported that 21st Century fiasco, reminded me of Vietnam. And then there is 6ixStringJack, the "lol" retard: http://fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=63571&mid=10978
89#1097889

Per the usual from a Republican, whether it's Vietnam in 1970 or Covid-19 in 2020, "lol" Republicans are idiots who are certain they are smarter than anybody about everything. The kind of people who vote a second time for Nixon or Bush II or Trump are the blockheads of America. I won't join you, which leaves me with either the Democrats or not voting. Doing nothing is not for me, so Democrats it is. Better them than voting along with the blockheads of the GOP.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

If it walks like a hypocritical simple-minded Democrat duck.

Sorry, bud, but like always you are full of so much shit. Like all the shit. I hope you had enough TP during the shortage that I told everybody wouldn't last long and didn't.

I'll piss on Republican fags all day long. They just don't bother me half as much as the Democrat fags do in 2020. Get back to me in 10 years and I'm pretty sure the opposite will be true.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Tuesday, March 31, 2020 7:01 AM

rezident owtsidr

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Originally posted by second:... I won't join you, which leaves me with either the Democrats or not voting.

Or you coud rite me in.

How cool woud it be to hav a Browncoat Prez?

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DUZ XaT SEM RiT TQ YQ? - Jubal Early

http://www.7532020.com .

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Tuesday, March 31, 2020 8:12 AM

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

Equal Time: Listen To Trump Activists

You don’t want to miss this.

It’s going to be hard to change their minds.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Tuesday, March 31, 2020 8:20 AM

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Originally posted by JO753:

Quote:
Originally posted by second:... I won't join you, which leaves me with either the Democrats or not voting.

Or you coud rite me in.

How cool woud it be to hav a Browncoat Prez?

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DUZ XaT SEM RiT TQ YQ? - Jubal Early

http://www.7532020.com .

A browncoat as president, how cool would that be? That said JO, we can't afford to split the vote this time. Next time buddy.

T

Deep state describes dedicated, educated professionals.

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Tuesday, March 31, 2020 9:42 AM

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

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Originally posted by THG:
Quote:
Originally posted by JO753:

Quote:
Originally posted by second:... I won't join you, which leaves me with either the Democrats or not voting.

Or you coud rite me in.

How cool woud it be to hav a Browncoat Prez?

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DUZ XaT SEM RiT TQ YQ? - Jubal Early

http://www.7532020.com .

A browncoat as president, how cool would that be? That said JO, we can't afford to split the vote this time. Next time buddy.

T

Deep state describes dedicated, educated professionals.

Browncoats aren't even willing to put their money into bringing back Firefly. If they are that poor, untalented and diffident, how could they run a country? You've got to remember that a Browncoat President will need thousands of Browncoat appointees to take charge of the US government. If the Browncoat President picks all Democrats or all Republicans to be his appointees (he'd have to, or else there would be chaos as the D's fought with the R's) it would be best if the Browncoat President was either a Democrat or a Republican. And pretty please, no "Independents" as appointees. That is the highway to chaos. You'd see that if you read the Firefly comics.

How much did each Game of Thrones season cost to make? About $10,000,000 per episode. Assume a Firefly episode would cost what a G.O.T. episode costs. If Browncoats cannot get enough money to do that, they certainly can't get the money to elect a President.
https://metro.co.uk/2019/05/21/much-game-thrones-season-cost-make-9622
963/?ito=cbshare

The 'Verse and America would be better without a Browncoat President. Pick a D or a R for President.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Tuesday, March 31, 2020 10:57 AM

Wow second, wasted energy. And yes, a browncoat could be president.

T

Deep state describes dedicated, educated professionals.

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Tuesday, March 31, 2020 11:52 AM

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

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Originally posted by THG:
Wow second, wasted energy. And yes, a browncoat could be president.

T

Deep state describes dedicated, educated professionals.

What is the definition of Browncoat? Somebody who watched Firefly one time then forgot it? In that case, it is possible a "Browncoat" could be President. But if you want an FDR or a Lincoln, you definitely don't want a Browncoat if that is defined as somebody who wants to break America into Alliance vs Independents. For that you want a Jefferson Davis. You'll find plenty of that type here at fff.net. As a matter of fact, America has tens of millions of that Davis type, who break things and can't or won't get anything to function.
www.britannica.com/biography/Jefferson-Davis

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Tuesday, March 31, 2020 5:32 PM

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Originally posted by second:
Quote:
Originally posted by THG:
Wow second, wasted energy. And yes, a browncoat could be president.

T

Deep state describes dedicated, educated professionals.
What is the definition of Browncoat? Somebody who watched Firefly one time then forgot it? In that case, it is possible a "Browncoat" could be President. But if you want an FDR or a Lincoln, you definitely don't want a Browncoat if that is defined as somebody who wants to break America into Alliance vs Independents. For that you want a Jefferson Davis. You'll find plenty of that type here at fff.net. As a matter of fact, America has tens of millions of that Davis type, who break things and can't or won't get anything to function.
www.britannica.com/biography/Jefferson-Davis

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

Being a browncoat in my opinion is to self identify as one.

T

Deep state describes dedicated, educated professionals.

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Tuesday, March 31, 2020 6:06 PM

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

Quote:
Originally posted by THG:
Quote:
Originally posted by second:
Quote:
Originally posted by THG:
Wow second, wasted energy. And yes, a browncoat could be president.

T

Deep state describes dedicated, educated professionals.
What is the definition of Browncoat? Somebody who watched Firefly one time then forgot it? In that case, it is possible a "Browncoat" could be President. But if you want an FDR or a Lincoln, you definitely don't want a Browncoat if that is defined as somebody who wants to break America into Alliance vs Independents. For that you want a Jefferson Davis. You'll find plenty of that type here at fff.net. As a matter of fact, America has tens of millions of that Davis type, who break things and can't or won't get anything to function.
www.britannica.com/biography/Jefferson-Davis

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

Being a browncoat in my opinion is to self identify as one.

T

Deep state describes dedicated, educated professionals.

Is self identifying as a Browncoat like self identifying as a Democrat? In America, it pretty much means nothing. Those "Democrats" that either don't vote or decided in 2016 they would vote for the Green Party because Bernie wasn't the candidate are the same "Democrats" that gave Trump his victory. How do I know this? Trump got 46.1% of the vote. Hillary 48.2%. 5.7% for Green Party/Other. "Other" decided that Trump would win. Or maybe the 50% who didn't vote or didn't register are who really decided Trump would win. Trump was elected by a little more than a quarter of eligible voters.
www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2016/11/10/13587462/trump-election-201
6-voter-turnout
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_United_States_presidential_election
#Third_parties_and_independents

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Tuesday, March 31, 2020 6:36 PM

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Originally posted by second:
Quote:
Originally posted by THG:
Quote:
Originally posted by second:
Quote:
Originally posted by THG:
Wow second, wasted energy. And yes, a browncoat could be president.

T

Deep state describes dedicated, educated professionals.
What is the definition of Browncoat? Somebody who watched Firefly one time then forgot it? In that case, it is possible a "Browncoat" could be President. But if you want an FDR or a Lincoln, you definitely don't want a Browncoat if that is defined as somebody who wants to break America into Alliance vs Independents. For that you want a Jefferson Davis. You'll find plenty of that type here at fff.net. As a matter of fact, America has tens of millions of that Davis type, who break things and can't or won't get anything to function.
www.britannica.com/biography/Jefferson-Davis

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

Being a browncoat in my opinion is to self identify as one.

T

Deep state describes dedicated, educated professionals.
Is self identifying as a Browncoat like self identifying as a Democrat? In America, it pretty much means nothing. Those "Democrats" that either don't vote or decided in 2016 they would vote for the Green Party because Bernie wasn't the candidate are the same "Democrats" that gave Trump his victory. How do I know this? Trump got 46.1% of the vote. Hillary 48.2%. 5.7% for Green Party/Other. "Other" decided that Trump would win. Or maybe the 50% who didn't vote or didn't register are who really decided Trump would win. Trump was elected by a little more than a quarter of eligible voters.
www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2016/11/10/13587462/trump-election-201
6-voter-turnout
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_United_States_presidential_election
#Third_parties_and_independents

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

Sorry two, I'm not going there with you. I can only speak for me. I'm a Browncoat at heart and an independent. Just as each topic is different from the next so is what makes me tick. I guess that's why I'm not an idolog.

T

Deep state describes dedicated, educated professionals.

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Wednesday, April 1, 2020 7:58 AM

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

Trump admits that Easy Voting would Defeat Republicans. That’s because they’ve made Their Base White and Evangelical

Trump admits in an interview on Fox News that a mail-in ballot program that made it possible for the public to vote with ease and increased turnout would keep Republicans from ever being elected again:

What has changed? What made Trump say it?

First, Hispanics are now 18 percent of the US population, up from about 6 percent in 1980. In order to win fairly, Republicans needed to gain a significant proportion of that vote. The Bushes knew this, and cultivated that constituency. George W. Bush typically attracted 40 percent of the Hispanic vote. But the dominance of Evangelicals and xenophobic southern and rural whites turned the party increasingly xenophobic and anti-immigrant. (Most Hispanic Americans are not immigrants, but many whites coded them that way). The increasingly vitriolic racism of the Tea Party and the Republican base against Hispanics drove some of them out of the party. Trump only got 28 percent of the Hispanic vote, very substantially off from Bush’s percentages. His favor-ability ratings by late last fall had further fallen among Hispanics to only 25 percent.

Second, Asian-Americans and Pacific Islanders now make up 6 percent of the US population, up from 1.6 percent in 1980. They now come to over 20 million people. Many were conservative and business-oriented and the old Republican Party had a shot at them. But the racism has also caused many of them to flee. They heavily now favor the Democrats and they really don’t like Trump.

And another thing: the proportion of whites in the population has fallen to only 60 percent from 75 percent in 2000. The number of counties that are majority non-white is rising. So since some significant proportion of whites vote Democratic, you can’t get elected just with what’s left of the white vote. Trump got in only because a few tens of thousands of traditionally Democratic whites in the Midwest switched to him because he said he’d bring jobs back from China and because there was a significant fall-off in the African-American vote, at least a point in Michigan, for instance.

So the lesson is that Republicans can now only win by poaching whites from the Democrats and by suppressing the minority vote.

They succeeded in 2016 (and the lackluster campaign of Hillary Clinton helped). But in the electoral college, Trump’s victory was by the skin of his teeth in three Midwestern states. The old saying attributed to circus impresario P. T. Barnum is that “A sucker is born every minute.” But the opinion polling in Michigan, at least, does not support the notion that white workers are likely to be suckered again.

So if Trump can’t steal some white Democrats this time, that really does leave only one hope, which is to find ways of preventing African-Americans, Hispanics, and Asians from voting.

The Republican Party has obviously made some very bad choices. Gravitating to the Neo-Fascist Breitbart crowd, the nativist crazies, the rapidly declining evangelicals, and generally old white people has been stupid policy. But it is in many ways Nixon’s legacy. What worked in the 1980s may not work in the 2020s. And if the numbers are any indication, the Republicans could become a long-term minority in the near future, as they were from 1931 until 1952.

The arc of history may or may not bend toward justice but it sure as hell bends toward reality.

More at www.juancole.com/2020/03/republicans-because-evangelical.html

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Wednesday, April 1, 2020 9:31 AM

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

The Trump administration on Tuesday weakened one of the nation’s most aggressive efforts to combat climate change, releasing new and much worse fuel efficiency standards for cars and trucks, handing a victory to the oil and gas industry. BURN MORE FUEL! (at the request of Exxon)

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Saturday, April 4, 2020 7:04 AM

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Friday Night Massacre
10:43 PM ET, Fri April 3, 2020
www.cnn.com/2020/04/03/politics/read-michael-atkinson-letter/index.htm
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Trump on Friday removed Intelligence Community Inspector General Michael Atkinson -- who had told Congress about the whistleblower complaint that led to Trump's impeachment.

The White House
Washington
April 3, 2020

The Honorable Richard Burr
Chairman
Select Committee on Intelligence
United States Senate
Washington, D.C. 20515

The Honorable Mark R. Warner
Vice-Chairman
Select Committee on Intelligence
United States Senate
Washington, D.C. 20515

Dear Chairman Burr and Vice-Chairman Warner:

This is to advise that I am exercising my power as President to remove from office the Inspector General of the Intelligence Community, effective 30 days from today.

It is extremely important that we promote the economy, efficiency, and effectiveness of Federal programs and activities. The Inspectors General have a critical role in the achievement of these goals. As is the case with regard to other positions where I, as President, have the power of appointment, by and with the advice and consent of the Senate, it is vital that I have the fullest confidence in the appointees serving as Inspectors General. That is no longer the case with regard to this Inspector General.

At a later date, I will be submitting to the Senate my nomination of an individual for this position who has my full confidence and who meets the appropriate qualifications.

Sincerely,
Donald J. Trump

Mitt Romney's speech on why he'll vote to convict Trump of abuse of power

The defense argues that the Senate should leave the impeachment decision to the voters. While that logic is appealing to our democratic instincts, it is inconsistent with the Constitution’s requirement that the Senate, not the voters, try the president. Hamilton explained that the Founders’ decision to invest senators with this obligation rather than leave it to voters was intended to minimize—to the extent possible—the partisan sentiments of the public.

This verdict is ours to render. The people will judge us for how well and faithfully we fulfilled our duty. The grave question the Constitution tasks senators to answer is whether the President committed an act so extreme and egregious that it rises to the level of a "high crime and misdemeanor.’

Yes. he did
The President asked a foreign government to investigate his political rival.
The President withheld vital military funds from that government to press it to do so.
The President delayed funds for an American ally at war with Russian invaders.
The President’s purpose was personal and political.

Accordingly, the President is guilty of an appalling abuse of the public trust.

What he did was not "perfect”— No, it was a flagrant assault on our electoral rights, our national security interests, and our fundamental values. Corrupting an election to keep oneself in office is perhaps the most abusive and destructive violation of one's oath of office that I can imagine.

www.nbcnews.com/politics/trump-impeachment-inquiry/full-text-romney-s-
speech-why-he-ll-vote-convict-n1130936

Sen. Mitt Romney's full speech announcing he will vote to convict Trump

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Saturday, April 4, 2020 10:18 AM

Good post second...

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Chairman Schiff Reacts To Trump Firing Intel IG |

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Saturday, April 4, 2020 11:26 AM

lol Schiff.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Sunday, April 5, 2020 10:55 AM

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
lol Schiff.

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lol Trump:

The Democratic Party Must Harness the Legitimate Rage of Americans. Otherwise, the Right Will Use It With Horrifying Results.

The political possibilities of this moment are different than anything we have ever experienced. We possess a once in a lifetime opportunity to make the United States a more humane country. But if we fail to seize it, we will face mortal danger from the right.

That’s not hyperbole. The anger of Americans, once they figure out what’s being done to them right now, is going to be volcanic. The fallout from 9/11 and the great recession of 2007-2010 will be imperceptible in comparison.

Not long from now, almost everyone will have a family member or friend who died of Covid-19, many of them suffocating in isolation wards with insufficient treatment, perhaps deprived of a ventilator that would have saved their lives. Huge swaths of the country are plummeting into desperate penury, even as they witness large corporations unlock the U.S. Treasury and help themselves to everything inside.

John Steinbeck’s 1939 novel “The Grapes of Wrath” describes a similar moment during the Great Depression, when people starved even as orchards of fruit were burned to make the food that remained more profitable: “Men with hoses squirt kerosene on the oranges, and they are angry at the crime, angry at the people who have come to take the fruit. … There is a crime here that goes beyond denunciation. There is a sorrow here that weeping cannot symbolize. There is a failure here that topples all our success. … In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage.”

We’re about to live this again, in more sophisticated ways. Then it was fruit being incinerated so no one could eat it. Now it’s cheap ventilators that were never built because a company called Covidien worried they would compete with their more expensive models. It’s N95 masks that were not available because President Donald Trump delayed invoking the Defense Production Act in order to protect corporate power. It’s tens of thousands of hospital beds being eliminated in New York and New Jersey because the surplus capacity cost money; some of those hospitals were turned into luxury condos. Now, as it was 85 years ago, human beings are being offered as a blood sacrifice to profit. Now as then, the resulting wrath will be towering.

What we know from history is that someone always shows up to harvest this level of ambient rage — but it can go in two directions. If people can be made “angry at the crime,” as Steinbeck wrote, there can be huge positive political changes. During the Great Depression, Franklin D. Roosevelt and unions organized the anger and used it to create the New Deal and the largest middle class in history. In unluckier countries, like Germany, Italy and Japan, the political left failed. The fury was organized by fascists, and directed at innocents.

The American right specializes in the politics of anger. If the Democrats refuse to harness the legitimate rage of Americans and direct it at those responsible for our predicament, the right will make this anger its own and will win.

Trump and the GOP will settle on a suite of hazy stories, all of which the party’s base fervently believe even though they are mutually contradictory.

Such as, there had been mass deaths but they were the fault of Hunter Biden’s friends in China. Simultaneously, they will argue that barely anyone had died and the numbers had been wildly exaggerated by the media to hurt Trump. The suffocation of the country’s small businesses could be blamed on Nancy Pelosi’s bailout of big business and Wall Street. Big business and Wall Street had valiantly kept us alive despite the Democratic hate for free enterprise. At the bottom of the right’s food chain, there will be constant whispers that brown people from New York had streamed out of their warrens to purposefully infect the heartland.

What the stories will have in common will be that they feature someone to blame, someone who could be the target of valid but misplaced rage. By contrast, the stories told by the Democratic candidate and the corporate press will be accurate but have no villains and no heroes, and hence will not be stories in the normal sense at all, just a complicated conglomeration of facts that look good on a blackboard but have no heart.

More at https://theintercept.com/2020/04/05/coronavirus-american-politics-demo
cratic-party-biden-sanders/

The Democratic candidate’s quiet campaign will refuse to get exercised about much of anything. When the candidate is asked whether he or she would investigate Trump’s dilatory response to the coronavirus at the beginning of 2020, the Democrat will say no, because “I know Donald loves this country and even out of office we’ll need his shoulder at the wheel to beat this thing.” What about prosecuting senators for insider trading? No, the candidate will explain, because “when I’m president the country will all pull together.” The Democratic base — confused by a Democratic candidate who refuses to blame Trump — won’t show up. Trump will declare his modest win to be “the greatest landslide in history.”

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Sunday, April 5, 2020 12:19 PM

See how much more powerful and meaningful any one of your current gripes about Trump would have been if you hadn't been constantly blowing your infertile load day after day over twitter and every social media board on the world wide webs?

Heels have already dug in, buddy. Ages ago. This entire thing that the world is going through right now isn't going to change a single mind. Everybody already knows who they're going to vote for.

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Sunday, April 5, 2020 12:27 PM

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Sunday, April 5, 2020 1:19 PM

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
See how much more powerful and meaningful any one of your current gripes about Trump would have been if you hadn't been constantly blowing your infertile load day after day over twitter and every social media board on the world wide webs?

Heels have already dug in, buddy. Ages ago. This entire thing that the world is going through right now isn't going to change a single mind. Everybody already knows who they're going to vote for.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

T

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Sunday, April 5, 2020 1:59 PM

Sure thing, Ted.

We'll see in November.

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Friday, April 10, 2020 12:32 PM

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It’s not too soon for Democrats to prepare for 2021, when Republicans could be far less willing to sign on to big, necessary stimulus bills if Joe Biden is in the White House.

It’s unlikely that we’ll have a fully healthy economy by next spring, given that the unemployment rate could soar into the double digits as significant restrictions on economic activity continue. Laid-off Americans will still need help, and the economy will still need deficit spending to pull itself out of a deep recession.

Right now Republicans and Democrats are arguing over how to boost an ailing economy, not whether to do it in the first place. Republicans have quickly agreed to multi-trillion-dollar packages. But past experience suggests Republicans will revert to an anti-deficit posture if Donald Trump loses the election. They cared little about deficits under George W. Bush but did an about-face under Barack Obama, even as the economy teetered on the brink of a global depression.

Instead of enacting measures that expire on a given date, what Democrats need to do is push for measures that expire if certain conditions are met, like when an unemployment rate is low and clearly falling. Now is the best possible political moment to do it.

Donald Trump has no good substantive or cynical reasons to oppose it. Congressional Republicans won't love the idea, but if Democrats make it their key ask, the White House has every reason to give in, and the GOP will have to give way. Now’s the time to future-proof the recovery for Biden winning in 7 months.

When Obama became president, Republican hostility to deficit spending was all the rage. Republicans opposed fiscal stimulus in 2009, instigated multiple rounds of crisis politics in an effort to force long-term cuts to Medicare, tried to pass a constitutional balanced budget amendment, and generally made opposition to deficits the centerpiece of their economic philosophy. Most Republicans in Congress even opposed emergency aid to recover from Hurricane Sandy on the grounds it should be offset with spending cuts elsewhere. If Biden wins, GOP Senators will suddenly become misers and cheapskates and Ebenezer Scrooges rather than the free-spenders they are now.

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Saturday, April 11, 2020 2:43 PM

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Saturday, April 11, 2020 6:41 PM

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Posting this cartoon has to be the epitome of an absolute lack of self awareness that I've ever seen, coming from Ted.

How are those coal minors doing two, buddy?

OPPS

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Sunday, April 12, 2020 7:24 AM

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Inside America’s 2-Decade Failure to Prepare for Coronavirus

Top officials from three administrations describe how crucial lessons were learned and lost, programs launched and canceled, and budgets funded and defunded.

“In advance of a pandemic, anything you say sounds alarmist. After a pandemic starts, everything you’ve done is inadequate.”

After each major health crisis of the last two decades, American health and political leaders have launched preparedness programs and issued blunt warnings to their successors — only to watch as those programs were defunded, staff was allowed to depart and Washington forgot the stark lessons it had just learned.

More at www.politico.com/news/magazine/2020/04/11/america-two-decade-failure-p
repare-coronavirus-179574

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Sunday, April 12, 2020 3:22 PM

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2020/apr/7/bernie-sanders-proceed
ing-wisconsin-primary-corona/
Bernie Sanders: Proceeding with Wisconsin primary in coronavirus crisis 'may very well prove deadly'

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Sunday, April 12, 2020 7:09 PM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

Democrats - anybody but Biden!

And if democrats don't do any different, how are they any better?

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Sunday, April 12, 2020 8:57 PM

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Biden’s Electability Only Works if There Is an Election

In the Democratic primary, 97 percent of polling places in Milwaukee were closed during the “election”; the thousands of people who turned out anyway risked their lives to stand in line. No one could plausibly describe what took place in Wisconsin as a democratic election.

As such, it was the perfect conclusion to Joe Biden’s victory in the 2020 Democratic nominating contest. A decisive non-event wrapped up a primary season in which nearly half the states never had any say before it was over, and the majority of people who did vote were focused on trying to guess which candidate someone else would be most likely to want to vote for. In the swirl of anxiety over the question of electability against Donald Trump, the basic act of electing someone got pulled under and drowned.

The 2020 primary didn’t even make sense as a spectator event. By most meta-electoral standards, Joe Biden was on his way to a quick, crushing loss. His name recognition and generic support in national polling utterly failed to win anyone over in the face-to-face politicking of Iowa or New Hampshire. His institutional endorsements meant nothing in Nevada. His fundraising was feeble, especially next to the mass-scale small-donation machine Sanders had built. He was visibly weary, stumbling over his delivery of the simplest lines, devoid of any identifiable message or purpose beyond the personally and nationally impossible goal of turning back the calendar to how things were before.

And then, in a span of less than four full days, he was the nominee. Loyal Democratic voters came out heavily for him in South Carolina, and in a startling spectacle the rest of the field, save Sanders and Warren, folded immediately and lined up to endorse him—specifically, explicitly, as the candidate who people believed their neighbors would vote for to beat Trump. Nominating an avowed socialist, or a woman with a reformist agenda, whatever promise either embodied, risked distracting voters from the single, binary question on the November ballot: whether or not to get rid of the man currently in the White House.

More at https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2020/04/biden-won-without-votes.ht
ml

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Sunday, April 12, 2020 9:06 PM

Sounds to me like maybe Biden's current electability was only because there wasn't an election.

Whoever wrote that doesn't know what they're trying to say.

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Monday, April 13, 2020 7:22 AM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

SECOND - if you're trying to say that democrats have a long history of selling out the average voter, that their platforms reflect a deep disrespect for the average voter, that their 'demographics' strategy is a non-starter with the average voter, and that they don't have a deep bench, well, I've been saying that since before the 2016 election. Yanno, if democrats don't do any different, how are they any better?

It's not enough to just be anti-Trump. In fact, most people look on that with disdain as being utterly bankrupt partisanship. You have to be a real alternative in people's minds if you want to get their votes ... or, as they say, be 'electable'. Yanno, if democrats don't do any different, how are they any better?

Meanwhile, I hope you're not pinning your hopes on Trump's performance with COVID-19. Because if you are, I think you'll be sorely disappointed.
Here are some COVID-19 stats: cases/ 1M
New York 9,655
New Jersey 6,964
Louisiana 4,416
Massachusetts 3,730
Connecticut 3,360
District Of Columbia 2,739
Rhode Island 2,522
Michigan 2,474
Pennsylvania 1,792
Delaware 1,711
USA Total 1,693

Unless you lived directly in the bullseye, (and assuming there's no resurgence), you will probably not ever know anyone who had serious COVID-19. You'll probably not even know anyone who had COVID-19 at all. I believe that was due to social distancing, so those people got the benefit of blissful, ignorant, non-experience. And I think Trump's capabilities were less than zero - he was and is an actual impediment to a good response. (For the record, I believe that response should be requiring people to wear N95 or N100 masks in public. And vaccines or antibody certificates are both technically indefensible as well as democratically perilous.) But the fact is, all that 0.17% or fewer of the population will experience from COVID-19 is loss of employment and empty grocery shelves. The disease itself is a non-entity to them. So any ineptness or even regressions regarding COVID-19 will also be non-entities to them. And what they WILL remember about Trump is his criticizing the loss of jobs. COVID-19 isn't exactly a winning strategy for democrats, either.

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Monday, April 13, 2020 9:36 AM

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Inside America’s 2-Decade Failure to Prepare for Coronavirus

Top officials from three administrations describe how crucial lessons were learned and lost, programs launched and canceled, and budgets funded and defunded.

“In advance of a pandemic, anything you say sounds alarmist. After a pandemic starts, everything you’ve done is inadequate.”

After each major health crisis of the last two decades, American health and political leaders have launched preparedness programs and issued blunt warnings to their successors — only to watch as those programs were defunded, staff was allowed to depart and Washington forgot the stark lessons it had just learned.

More at www.politico.com/news/magazine/2020/04/11/america-two-decade-failure-p
repare-coronavirus-179574

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

Trump, you're killing people! Lots of people!

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Dr. Fauci: 'It Became Clear That We Were In Real Trouble' With Coronavirus Mid-January. Dr. Anthony Fauci, the nation's top infectious disease expert spoke about when he knew the coronavirus was getting serious. Fauci said, as soon as there was “community spread…then it became clear that we were in real trouble…that was towards the middle to end of January.”

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Monday, April 13, 2020 9:46 AM

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'The president, though, was slow to absorb the scale of the risk and to act accordingly' on the coronavirus.

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Monday, April 13, 2020 9:54 AM

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Quote:
Originally posted by 1KIKI:

Unless you lived directly in the bullseye, (and assuming there's no resurgence), you will probably not ever know anyone who had serious COVID-19.

How about the price of gasoline? So many voters buy, but so few understand how the price is set. Trump is raising the price by joining with OPEC:

Saudi Arabia, Russia and the U.S. agreed to lead a multinational coalition in major oil-production cuts after a drop in demand due to the coronavirus crisis and a Saudi-Russian feud devastated oil prices. The deal, sealed Sunday, came after President Trump intervened to help resolve a Saudi-Mexico standoff that jeopardized the broader pact.
www.wsj.com/articles/opec-allies-look-to-resolve-saudi-mexico-standoff
-and-seal-broader-oil-deal-11586695794

It was only yesterday that Trump did this.

Vote Trump! Get Cheated at the Gas Pump!

It was only last month Trump did what is in the following story, and voters have already forgotten. They will just as quickly forget gasoline. Trump has no worries based on what he has done because voters can't remember.
www.nytimes.com/2020/04/11/us/politics/coronavirus-trump-response.html

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Monday, April 13, 2020 10:28 AM

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Originally posted by second:
Quote:
Originally posted by 1KIKI:

Unless you lived directly in the bullseye, (and assuming there's no resurgence), you will probably not ever know anyone who had serious COVID-19.
How about the price of gasoline? So many voters buy, but so few understand how the price is set. Trump is raising the price by joining with OPEC:

Saudi Arabia, Russia and the U.S. agreed to lead a multinational coalition in major oil-production cuts after a drop in demand due to the coronavirus crisis and a Saudi-Russian feud devastated oil prices. The deal, sealed Sunday, came after President Trump intervened to help resolve a Saudi-Mexico standoff that jeopardized the broader pact.
www.wsj.com/articles/opec-allies-look-to-resolve-saudi-mexico-standoff
-and-seal-broader-oil-deal-11586695794

It was only yesterday that Trump did this.

Vote Trump! Get Cheated at the Gas Pump!

Did you read the whole story, or were you blocked by a paywall?

https://web.archive.org/web/20200413132702/https://www.wsj.com/article
s/opec-allies-look-to-resolve-saudi-mexico-standoff-and-seal-broader-oil-deal-11586695794

WSJ is blocked on archive sites too. Feel free to post the whole story.

There's a lot more to this than simply "raising prices". Few might understand how the price is set, but even fewer understand what a crashing oil price could do to destabilize countries worldwide... particularly those who aren't very friendly with us even during good times.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Monday, April 13, 2020 6:07 PM

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Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

There's a lot more to this than simply "raising prices". Few might understand how the price is set, but even fewer understand what a crashing oil price could do to destabilize countries worldwide... particularly those who aren't very friendly with us even during good times.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

Trump joined OPEC to raise the price of Texas oil and the price of gasoline that voters will be buying between now and November. Too bad voters won't understand that. He certainly did NOT do it to help oil exporting countries that depend on petroleum to keep their central governments from collapsing. It is bullshit, 6ix, when you suggest Trump did care about crashing prices "destabilizing countries worldwide". He does NOT care beyond making sure the majority of Texans votes for him in November.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Monday, April 13, 2020 6:26 PM

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Christi Craddick, a regulator with the Texas Railroad Commission—which regulates oil in the U.S.’ largest oil-producing state—said Mr. Trump’s “aggressive actions and continued engagement to bring Saudi Arabia and Russia to the table to reduce global oil production was crucial to defending the domestic energy industry” and avoiding a downward spiral in oil prices.

Investors remain concerned that the cuts might not be enough to support higher prices in the coming weeks as worldwide lockdowns pummel demand for gasoline, diesel and jet fuel.

www.msn.com/en-us/news/other/us-saudi-arabia-russia-agree-to-lead-unpr
ecedented-oil-output-deal/ar-BB12w3YY

Trump is the oil industry's best friend ever. But the industry is not a friend to American drivers and voters. Too bad voters don't understand how Trump and the industry are cheating them out of money. Mr. Trump, on Twitter, said the deal will “save hundreds of thousands of energy jobs in the United States” but what he really meant was jobs in Texas. Without Texas, Trump loses in November.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Monday, April 13, 2020 8:12 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by second:
Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

There's a lot more to this than simply "raising prices". Few might understand how the price is set, but even fewer understand what a crashing oil price could do to destabilize countries worldwide... particularly those who aren't very friendly with us even during good times.

Do Right, Be Right. :)
Trump joined OPEC to raise the price of Texas oil and the price of gasoline that voters will be buying between now and November. Too bad voters won't understand that. He certainly did NOT do it to help oil exporting countries that depend on petroleum to keep their central governments from collapsing. It is bullshit, 6ix, when you suggest Trump did care about crashing prices "destabilizing countries worldwide". He does NOT care beyond making sure the majority of Texans votes for him in November.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

Texas was never up in the air. Not even close. He sure as shit didn't do it for the reasons your suggesting.

I can't tell from day to day whether you're an idiot or a liar.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Monday, April 13, 2020 8:35 PM

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Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

Texas was never up in the air. Not even close. He sure as shit didn't do it for the reasons your suggesting.

I can't tell from day to day whether you're an idiot or a liar.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

“If Texas turns back to a Democratic state, which it used to be, then we’ll never elect another Republican [president] in my lifetime,” U.S. Senator John Cornyn said earlier this year.

The conservative case for why the GOP will continue to run Texas comes down to this: the state is becoming increasingly competitive, but Democrats are foolish to think the parties have reached parity. Republicans will win in 2020 because they still have the numbers.

It’s a powerful argument, and one with plenty of empirical evidence. But even if Trump wins Texas, victory could come at a terrible cost, and not just in terms of collateral damage to his allies in Congress and the statehouse. For decades, the GOP presidential nominee has been able to take Texas for granted. Not so this time. Trump may have to spend heavily, in time and money, to ensure a win here. That’s time and money he won’t have in swing states that he must also hold to win reelection, such as Michigan and Wisconsin. Even if Texas goes for Trump in 2020, a competitive race here could cost him the election.

www.texasmonthly.com/politics/how-win-texas-2020/

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Monday, April 13, 2020 8:37 PM

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Originally posted by second:
Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

Texas was never up in the air. Not even close. He sure as shit didn't do it for the reasons your suggesting.

I can't tell from day to day whether you're an idiot or a liar.

Do Right, Be Right. :)
“If Texas turns back to a Democratic state, which it used to be, then we’ll never elect another Republican [president] in my lifetime,” John Cornyn said earlier this year.

The conservative case for why the GOP will continue to run Texas comes down to this: the state is becoming increasingly competitive, but Democrats are foolish to think the parties have reached parity. Republicans will win in 2020 because they still have the numbers.

You can end it right there, because that's where it ends.

You're changing the subject again.

You said that Trump was buying Texas in 2020.

No. He's not. It's not even on sale. There is zero doubt in anyone's mind that Trump is taking Texas in 2020.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Monday, April 13, 2020 8:42 PM

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Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Quote:
Originally posted by second:
Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

Texas was never up in the air. Not even close. He sure as shit didn't do it for the reasons your suggesting.

I can't tell from day to day whether you're an idiot or a liar.

Do Right, Be Right. :)
“If Texas turns back to a Democratic state, which it used to be, then we’ll never elect another Republican [president] in my lifetime,” John Cornyn said earlier this year.

The conservative case for why the GOP will continue to run Texas comes down to this: the state is becoming increasingly competitive, but Democrats are foolish to think the parties have reached parity. Republicans will win in 2020 because they still have the numbers.

You can end it right there, because that's where it ends.

You're changing the subject again.

You said that Trump was buying Texas in 2020.

No. He's not. It's not even on sale. There is zero doubt in anyone's mind that Trump is taking Texas in 2020.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

By the way, Trump victory is still 50/50 if you are betting, NOT 100%.
https://odds.watch/trump-2020

Trump is trying to buy Texas by siding with OPEC.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Monday, April 13, 2020 8:52 PM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

I can see the logic in that SECOND. Regular oil production in the US might survive $20, but shale (fracking) oil for sure wouldn't. If shale oil craters, people will blame Trump (and not the fact that's its high production costs are only supportable with both near-zero interest rates and high oil prices at the same time). And that might cost him Texas. I know how unstable the Texas economy is, since it's been balanced on oil for many decades - 40 that I know of personally. As oil goes, so goes the Texas economy.

California is already gone. If Texas goes, it could cost Trump the electoral college.

Trump HAS to make the OPEC+ production cut work, even if it means guaranteeing that the cuts Mexico refused to make will be made by the US instead.

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Monday, April 13, 2020 10:37 PM

No.

Second is a dummy and his only answer for anything that happens is "Trump".

Don't feed into his delusions.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Monday, April 13, 2020 11:09 PM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

Has anybody who posts anything of substance replied???

Looks around ...

... it's empty.

Closes door while leaving.

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Tuesday, April 14, 2020 1:56 AM

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You need to devise a system with less friction when returning stolen wealth. Since Firefly is science fiction, can America do away with money completely to make that happen? I think it could be done, but the cheaters would fight that change even harder than they fight to hold on to money they steal under the present system, the one they have been building all their lives.

He's talking about Socialism.

Funny how rich people always talk about how bad they want it.

Super easy to virtue signal about it when they know it will never happen. It allows them to hold on to their riches and live with themselves at the same time.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Tuesday, April 14, 2020 6:14 AM

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Quote:
You need to devise a system with less friction when returning stolen wealth. Since Firefly is science fiction, can America do away with money completely to make that happen? I think it could be done, but the cheaters would fight that change even harder than they fight to hold on to money they steal under the present system, the one they have been building all their lives.

He's talking about Socialism.

Funny how rich people always talk about how bad they want it.

Super easy to virtue signal about it when they know it will never happen. It allows them to hold on to their riches and live with themselves at the same time.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

The Vietnam War was fought because Republicans (and Democrats who would eventually switch to being Republicans) were fiercely against Communism. How did that war end for the U.S., 6ix? Just how Commie is Vietnam today? My answers are 1) Badly and 2) You wouldn't know they were Commies today. All it took to turn Vietnam around was for Republicans to get their dumb asses kicked out of Vietnam.

https://fred.stlouisfed.org/graph/?g=qIsN

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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