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Monday, March 30, 2020 8:39 PM
6IXSTRINGJACK
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: If the banks are eating it with the bailout money, sure... But if landlords would have to chase that money for 2 or more months because their bills were coming due, that's not fair to them. The largest expense is mortgage. If banks aren't collecting mortgage, the pressure is off them. Same with small businesses: the owner of the commercial real estate isn't paying mortgage, so the small businesses don't have to pay their lease. It's hard enough for a lot of them to get their tenants to pay on time in good times.
Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: If the banks are eating it with the bailout money, sure... But if landlords would have to chase that money for 2 or more months because their bills were coming due, that's not fair to them.
Quote:But, I suppose you could also reduce the state income taxes and take it out of the taxes for education if you're forcing the kids to stay at home from school too.
Quote:I can't wait to see how many people start (rightfully) losing their shit when they realize that while they're being forced to continue to work near-minimum wage jobs deemed "essential", their friends who were working near-minimum wage jobs that aren't get to sit at home and collect $600-$1,000 per week watching Netflix and jerking off.
Friday, April 3, 2020 11:33 PM
Saturday, April 4, 2020 1:31 PM
Sunday, April 5, 2020 4:47 AM
SIGNYM
I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.
Quote: SIX:If the banks are eating it with the bailout money, sure...
Quote:But if landlords would have to chase that money for 2 or more months because their bills were coming due, that's not fair to them.... You still have 2 (4, 6?) months of depreciation
Quote: and tenants putting wear and tear on everything. And now due to health reasons and/or overzealous politics and cops and/or panicky tenants that don't even want to let a landlord in you might not have the easiest time even getting in to check up that they're not literally destroying your place. I'm not joking about what these people have already done to my friend's house. First thing he is going to do when he makes a lot of repairs and he can afford to do it is to boot them and find new tenants. It won't even be a problem because the city officials saw the state of the Hoarders TV Show level hoard they had in there before he was ordered to have the entire basement cleared out to get rid of the vermin. He just knows that while the house is in the current condition nobody else is going to rent it from him now and with a full time job and hardly any free time his time to work on the place is extremely limited.
Quote: He's stuck in a position where keeping pigs like that in his place is a better alternative than getting stuck with the mortgage
Quote:and property taxes that are through the roof
Quote: than to kick them out and let the house sit vacant until who knows when he can find the time to fix everything and get it rentable to normal, sane people again. You're making a case for ideal situations. Many situations aren't ideal.
Quote:Well... that's what I said later in my reply. But in Illinois a large portion of property taxes also go to fund corruption and a mountain of debt that will never be paid off too.
Quote: That's fine to imagine this, but until the state agreed on an actual suspension that will not have to be paid back, you can't tell landlords that they can't collect the rent. Especially in the states where a majority of the monthly rent collected is going to pay those taxes off, such as Illinois.
Quote:I don't see what Amazon workers are trying to accomplish. They already make $15/hr at the lowest levels.
Quote:$2/hr is nice, but that hardly puts a dent in things in these parts where minimum wage workers make $7.25/hr. I worked a few years at KMart overnight for $8.25 and they hadn't given any raises out for 8 years before I started. The only reason I got what I was getting was a $1.00/hr premium on overnight work. The last job I worked felt like a massive upgrade when I was making $10.50/hr overnight.
Quote: I don't know if I stated it in this thread or in another one, but I suspect this whole deal is going to end with a forced $15/hr minimum wage in the country going forward. If prices don't go up because of it, great. But I think we're pretty sure they will, and besides that, we're probably going to have a $30 Trillion debt by the time this whole overreaction is over if it drags on longer than they're currently saying it will. Buy a bunch of shit now, because milk is going to cost $8.00 a gallon in 2021.
Sunday, April 5, 2020 7:15 AM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: Quote: SIX:If the banks are eating it with the bailout money, sure... They're not, trust me. I ws just posting hwow I would construct a bailout: No money for banks. Reduce the level of debt by having the banks write down two months of loans. But of course, that would never happen.
Quote:He's stuck in a position where keeping pigs like that in his place is a better alternative than getting stuck with the mortgage
Sunday, April 5, 2020 7:49 AM
SECOND
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: The funny thing is, the solution doesn't require all of this sturm und drang (storm and drama). People could all get back to work much faster if everyone wore a mask in public. The spread of the virus wuld be blunted. If the WH task force had simply admitted Look, we fucked up. we don't have enough masks for everyone and we're trying to save it for our medical personnel, but EVERYONE should wear a mask ... even a cloth one or a homemade one, or at least a bandana while in public ... because MASKS WORK. We will try to make better masks available for everyone later then they wouldn't have muddled the message so badly by saying Masks don't work and then having to reverse course. The government ... and Trump ... bobbled the response. They wasted two months while trying to avoid the shit sandwhich that was in front of them, making the shit sandwhich eventually bigger, and misidrected everyone away from wearing a mask. It was all just so stupid. Now we have a "simulus bill" written by Congress (That includes the Democratic House, SECONDRATE) that throws peanuts to the people but pallets of cash to the rich.
Sunday, April 5, 2020 12:13 PM
Quote:SECONDRATE: Why would I NOT be delighted with pallets of cash?
Sunday, April 5, 2020 12:15 PM
Sunday, April 5, 2020 12:31 PM
THG
Sunday, April 5, 2020 12:32 PM
Sunday, April 5, 2020 12:34 PM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: Quote:SECONDRATE: Why would I NOT be delighted with pallets of cash? And you can thank Nancy Pelosi while you're at it! (But I know you won't.)
Sunday, April 5, 2020 1:50 PM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: SIX- re: howmuch people pay for a mortgage vesus how much they pay for real estate (RE) taxes in Illinois: The typical home loan percentage rate is currently 3.5% on the loan The current RE tax is 1.73%, or roughly half of the mortgage rate, on the assesed value The only way that you would pay "the majority" of money in RE taxes is if the loan value was half, or less, of the assessed value. Or, if the house is fully paid off, and no loan exists. In other words, the owners would have had to have gotten a loan for their house when the sale price was half of the current assessed value. There are several ways this could happen: They bought their home a long time ago... OR, their home was paid off, and then they took out a home equity loan for something less than the full value of the house.
Quote:Anyway, your contention still doesn't make sense.
Quote:I see from the chart that RE tax rates in Illinois are the sixth-highest in the nation. New Jersey is higher. So, surprisingly, is Nebraska. I sure hope the farmers and ranchers there get some sort of "agricultural production" exemption because ... Nebraska???
Sunday, April 5, 2020 2:45 PM
1KIKI
Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.
Sunday, April 5, 2020 4:28 PM
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Sunday, April 5, 2020 7:27 PM
Quote:Originally posted by 1KIKI: Show me the money! Actual taxes, specifically.
Sunday, April 5, 2020 7:52 PM
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Monday, April 6, 2020 3:28 AM
Quote:2019: $2,776.27
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Monday, April 6, 2020 11:39 AM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: I too decided to look up SIX's tax gripe. What I found is that the taxes (plus special assessments etc) vary greatly from county to county, with a low of $447 for the year (Hardin County) to a high of $6285 (Lake County), most of them are in the $1500-$2000 range. http://www.tax-rates.org/propertytax.php?state=illinois#Countiies]
Monday, April 6, 2020 2:12 PM
Monday, April 6, 2020 2:23 PM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: SIX, your ACTUAL TOOL applies to only ONE COUNTY. I was just curious what other counties would look like. If you have an ACTUAL TOOL that applies to other counties, let me know. ----------- Pity would be no more, If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake #STAYTHEFUCKHOME
Monday, April 6, 2020 6:41 PM
Quote: Clusterfuck Nation You understand, there will be no meaningful resuscitation of the dear, departed, so-called greatest boom in history. Ponzi schemes don’t “bounce back,” they collapse for the simple reason that the pieces holding them up were not really there. Such are the unanticipated consequences of a media over-saturated culture that we were so easily deceived by appearances. The emotions entrained by this implacable disaster have barely expressed themselves in the social arena. The public is still too shell-shocked by the prospect of losing everything – jobs, incomes, status, chattels, a future – to commence what the shrinks call “acting out.” Anyway, half the country is still acting out over the election of Mr. Trump three years ago. But, for the moment, an interesting debate rages internationally as to whether the Covid-19 virus was some kind of engineered event designed to bring about various political outcomes. One thread declares that the Democratic Party, its media handmaidens, and a helpful Chinese leadership used the virus to blow up the US economy and finally, after several botched attempts, get rid of the vexing Mr. Trump. It’s a tidy story, but I don’t buy it, for the simple reason that the entire global economy has blown up, including China’s, so you can file that meme in the Wile E. Coyote folder. A gloss on that one is the idea that NIAID director Anthony Fauci and other medical experts are wicked conspirators bent on destroying American morale by overstating the threat of Covid-19. This includes the phrase that the novel corona virus is “just another seasonal flu,” and so ordering people to stay away from work and business was unnecessary. Again, you’d have to ask yourself why medical experts and other plausibly intelligent people in so many other countries would do exactly the same thing. They can’t all be orcs. Then there’s the one that has Bill Gates so worked up about climate change that he’s using his foundation’s deep resources to reduce the world’s population by sowing maximum disorder onto the scene with Covid-19 hysteria. This one casts Mr. Gates as something like a villain from a James Bond movie, deep in his Seattle mega-fortress petting a Persian cat as millions perish. Sounds like another case of Americans confusing movies with real life. Another story has a shadowy gang of “globalists” using the disorder spawned by the virus to impose a centralized global uber-government run by international financiers. First of all, that one smacks of the hoary conspiracy theory that Bilderberger bankers (Jews especially) are scheming to take over the world – yet these supposedly hyper-clever “puppet-masters” are proving that they can’t even run the banks and their own financial ops, which are now crashing down around their ears along with everybody else’s. Thirdly, if there is trend anywhere in this collapse scenario, it is for the devolution of power downward, away from floundering centralized power structures and institutions. As they flounder, the faith of their subject peoples ebbs away and the trust horizon shrinks so that the people are no longer willing to depend on distant authorities for anything. That floundering of centralized authorities is exactly what’s in process here in the USA. Mr. Trump surely has enough problems attempting to manage this crisis, not the least of which is his own unfortunate habit of jumbled impromptu speech that often sounds like sheer blather. Some observers like to call it “plain speech,” but in my experience even the common folk of America, the plumbers, truck drivers, and waitresses, express themselves more coherently. It’s just not very reassuring. Believe me, I don’t want to see the president fail, but I would advise him to stick to the teleprompter. Of course, then, there is Joe Biden, the implausible nominee-presumptive of the opposition. Who are they kidding with this emperor’s new clothes scam? It’s obvious now to anyone over twelve in this land that Joe Biden is missing a few transistors on the old motherboard – not to mention the slime-trail of grift and money-laundering that he laid down in his adventures abroad as vice-president. His manner of speech, while different than Mr. Trump’s, is even more pathetically incoherent. The Democrats’ pretense that he is a viable candidate is the ultimate falsehood in a long train of barefaced falsehoods they’ve so earnestly retailed since 2016, making them utterly untrustworthy to run the nation’s affairs. We don’t know whether anyone, or any faction, will be able to run the nation’s affairs in the months upcoming. The least credible cohort these days are the folks presiding over the financial side of things. There is plenty of debate as to whether the mega bailouts and backstops will bring on inflation or deflation, both ruinous at the grand scale. There’s abundant evidence that this flood of money-from-thin-air will do nothing to arrest the unwind of a system so rotten that it casts an odor across the boundaries of history. Wall Street has screwed America’s pooch so completely that the poor pooch can’t even squeal for mercy anymore. The Federal Reserve crew and their allied banksters have barely a few weeks before an immiserated public comes after them with the modern equivalent of pitchforks. Wait for the breaking news on the cable networks: The Hamptons are burning!
Monday, April 6, 2020 10:17 PM
Tuesday, April 7, 2020 5:50 PM
Quote:Your Coronavirus stimulus check may go out this week or next.
Thursday, April 9, 2020 5:29 PM
Quote:New IRS Portal: In late April or early May, according to the memo, the IRS expects to create an online portal that will enable taxpayers to update their direct deposit information and check the status of their stimulus check. For those who don’t file taxes, but who receive Social Security benefits, you can also update your direct deposit information once the online portal is available.
Friday, April 10, 2020 11:12 AM
Quote:What should you do with your stimulus check?
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Tuesday, April 14, 2020 12:52 AM
WISHIMAY
Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: Not only that, but there doesn't seem to be any real empathy from anybody here about poor people who are currently struggling and freaking the fuck out about how they're going to pay their bills either, despite the fact that everybody is virtue signalling about the small number of deaths so far.
Tuesday, April 14, 2020 1:48 AM
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Tuesday, April 14, 2020 7:26 PM
Tuesday, April 14, 2020 8:47 PM
Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: If Indiana spent half the time updating their unemployment process as they do making a fancy website to track The Coomph cases in the state, 100,000+ people wouldn't be panicking about how they're going to pay their bills right now. https://coronavirus.in.gov/ Really nice looking graphs to look at though while you're dodging your landlord trying to bang down your door to get the rent payment. Meanwhile... It's the 14th and nobody I know has gotten the Stimulus Check yet. It hasn't even shown up as a pending transaction in anyone's bank accounts yet. They're certainly not going by income. I haven't worked since June of last year, and since I was laid off it was less than $10k for 2019. The only reason I even filed was because I had some self employment income to report and I need to file even if I make nothing if I want the property tax credit in my state. I'm alright without it now, but my case and situation is rather unique. What this tells me that there are a lot of people who are really struggling who haven't gotten it either, while people who don't need it have already gotten it. And with my state giving zero word on when it will allow self-employed people to even file their claim yet, that's a lot of people forced out of work with no way to pay the bills. Seems to me to be an EXTREME overreaction for a total death count of 387 people in our state. Now they're saying most people should get the direct deposit tomorrow. Waiting on them to say Thursday 24 hours from now.
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