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Some Covid-19 thoughts
Thursday, March 26, 2020 6:35 AM
THG
Thursday, March 26, 2020 6:39 AM
6IXSTRINGJACK
Thursday, March 26, 2020 9:01 AM
SECOND
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two
Thursday, March 26, 2020 9:09 AM
SIGNYM
I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.
Thursday, March 26, 2020 10:08 AM
Thursday, March 26, 2020 10:14 AM
Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: You have two replies on the last page that were buried by the idiots, Sigs. Do Right, Be Right. :)
Thursday, March 26, 2020 10:48 AM
Thursday, March 26, 2020 2:04 PM
Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: So, now for some INTELLIGENT skepticism about the virus. Quote: Dr Sucharit Bhakdi is a specialist in microbiology. He was a professor at the Johannes Gutenberg University in Mainz and head of the Institute for Medical Microbiology and Hygiene and one of the most cited research scientists in German history. What he says: We are afraid that 1 million infections with the new virus will lead to 30 deaths per day over the next 100 days. But we do not realise that 20, 30, 40 or 100 patients positive for normal coronaviruses are already dying every day. [The government’s anti-COVID19 measures] are grotesque, absurd and very dangerous […] The life expectancy of millions is being shortened. The horrifying impact on the world economy threatens the existence of countless people. The consequences on medical care are profound. Already services to patients in need are reduced, operations cancelled, practices empty, hospital personnel dwindling. All this will impact profoundly on our whole society. All these measures are leading to self-destruction and collective suicide based on nothing but a spook. My comment: Services to "other" patients aren't being reduced because hospitals are empty, but because hospitals are FULL. It's a little hard to ignore the death rate in some nations, but Bhakdi seems to manage! Quote: Dr Wolfgang Wodarg is a German physician specialising in Pulmonology ... Politicians are being courted by scientists…scientists who want to be important to get money for their institutions. Scientists who just swim along in the mainstream and want their part of it […] And what is missing right now is a rational way of looking at things. We should be asking questions like “How did you find out this virus was dangerous?”, “How was it before?”, “Didn’t we have the same thing last year?”, “Is it even something new?” That’s missing. No, it's not missing. The virus has been sequenced, we didn't have the "same thing" last year. Apparently he hasn't been keeping up with developments! Quote: Dr Joel Kettner s professor of Community Health Sciences and Surgery at Manitoba University ... I have never seen anything like this, anything anywhere near like this. I’m not talking about the pandemic, because I’ve seen 30 of them, one every year. It is called influenza. And other respiratory illness viruses, we don’t always know what they are. But I’ve never seen this reaction, and I’m trying to understand why. […] I worry about the message to the public, about the fear of coming into contact with people, being in the same space as people, shaking their hands, having meetings with people. I worry about many, many consequences related to that. […] In Hubei, in the province of Hubei, where there has been the most cases and deaths by far, the actual number of cases reported is 1 per 1000 people and the actual rate of deaths reported is 1 per 20,000. So maybe that would help to put things into perspective. BUT in Hubei they instituted draconian quarantine and social distancing policies, built 16 pop-up hospitals to treat the sick. The death rate was lowered because of policy, not despite it. Quote: Dr John Ioannidis Professor of Medicine, of Health Research and Policy and of Biomedical Data Science, at Stanford University School of Medicine and a Professor of Statistics at Stanford University School of Humanities and Sciences... Patients who have been tested for SARS-CoV-2 are disproportionately those with severe symptoms and bad outcomes. As most health systems have limited testing capacity, selection bias may even worsen in the near future. The one situation where an entire, closed population was tested was the Diamond Princess cruise ship and its quarantine passengers. The case fatality rate there was 1.0%, but this was a largely elderly population, in which the death rate from Covid-19 is much higher. FINALLY! Something I can agree with! IF we can't have "universal" testing we at least need some random testing. Quote: Dr Yoram Lass is an Israeli physician, politician and former Director General of the Health Ministry.... Italy is known for its enormous morbidity in respiratory problems, more than three times any other European country. In the US about 40,000 people die in a regular flu season and so far 40-50 people have died of the coronavirus, most of them in a nursing home in Kirkland, Washington. Again, he needs to annualize the case fatality rate. How can such a smart person make such a stupid mistake? Quote: Dr Pietro Vernazza is a Swiss physician specialising Infectious Diseases at the Cantonal Hospital St. Gallen and Professor of Health Policy. We have reliable figures from Italy and a work by epidemiologists, which has been published in the renowned science journal ‹Science›, which examined the spread in China. This makes it clear that around 85 percent of all infections have occurred without anyone noticing the infection. 90 percent of the deceased patients are verifiably over 70 years old, 50 percent over 80 years. I have not seen ANY such studies. One published by China indicated that roughly 30% of the infected population was asymptomatic. not "85%". So ... Stop the handwaving. CITES AND LINKS, PLEASE. Quote:Frank Ulrich Montgomery is German radiologist, former President of the German Medical Association and Deputy Chairman of the World Medical Association... I’m not a fan of lockdown. Anyone who imposes something like this must also say when and how to pick it up again. Since we have to assume that the virus will be with us for a long time, I wonder when we will return to normal? You can’t keep schools and daycare centers closed until the end of the year. Because it will take at least that long until we have a vaccine. Italy has imposed a lockdown and has the opposite effect. They quickly reached their capacity limits, but did not slow down the virus spread within the lockdown. Not true. The death rate in Italy is finally beginning to heel over, thanks to lockdowns. Quote: Prof. Hendrik Streeck is a German HIV researcher, epidemiologist and clinical trialist... The new pathogen is not that dangerous, it is even less dangerous than Sars-1. The special thing is that Sars-CoV-2 replicates in the upper throat area and is therefore much more infectious because the virus jumps from throat to throat, so to speak. But that is also an advantage: Because Sars-1 replicates in the deep lungs, it is not so infectious, but it definitely gets on the lungs, which makes it more dangerous. Hello? Respiratory failure being the primary mode of death? Quote: Dr Yanis Roussel et. al. – A team of researchers from the Institut Hospitalo-universitaire Méditerranée Infection, Marseille and the Institut de Recherche pour le Développement ... The problem of SARS-CoV-2 is probably overestimated, as 2.6 million people die of respiratory infections each year compared with less than 4000 deaths for SARS-CoV-2 at the time of writing. Again, they're comparing annualized deaths to deaths expanding exponentially and only over a three-month period. Quote: Dr. David Katz is an American physician and founding director of the Yale University Prevention Research Center What he says: I am deeply concerned that the social, economic and public health consequences of this near-total meltdown of normal life — schools and businesses closed, gatherings banned — will be long-lasting and calamitous, possibly graver than the direct toll of the virus itself. The stock market will bounce back in time, but many businesses never will. The unemployment, impoverishment and despair likely to result will be public health scourges of the first order. A doctor commenting on economic matters? Sounds like Trump talking about medicine. There's more, but it's a repeat. Mostly baloney. ----------- Pity would be no more, If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake #STAYTHEFUCKHOME A list of doctors saying pretty much what I've been saying since the beginning. And you don't believe them either. Sounds to me like maybe you and Kiki are in a cult. Having flashbacks to Russiagate here. Same bullshit. Different people buying it. Do Right, Be Right. :)
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: So, now for some INTELLIGENT skepticism about the virus. Quote: Dr Sucharit Bhakdi is a specialist in microbiology. He was a professor at the Johannes Gutenberg University in Mainz and head of the Institute for Medical Microbiology and Hygiene and one of the most cited research scientists in German history. What he says: We are afraid that 1 million infections with the new virus will lead to 30 deaths per day over the next 100 days. But we do not realise that 20, 30, 40 or 100 patients positive for normal coronaviruses are already dying every day. [The government’s anti-COVID19 measures] are grotesque, absurd and very dangerous […] The life expectancy of millions is being shortened. The horrifying impact on the world economy threatens the existence of countless people. The consequences on medical care are profound. Already services to patients in need are reduced, operations cancelled, practices empty, hospital personnel dwindling. All this will impact profoundly on our whole society. All these measures are leading to self-destruction and collective suicide based on nothing but a spook. My comment: Services to "other" patients aren't being reduced because hospitals are empty, but because hospitals are FULL. It's a little hard to ignore the death rate in some nations, but Bhakdi seems to manage! Quote: Dr Wolfgang Wodarg is a German physician specialising in Pulmonology ... Politicians are being courted by scientists…scientists who want to be important to get money for their institutions. Scientists who just swim along in the mainstream and want their part of it […] And what is missing right now is a rational way of looking at things. We should be asking questions like “How did you find out this virus was dangerous?”, “How was it before?”, “Didn’t we have the same thing last year?”, “Is it even something new?” That’s missing. No, it's not missing. The virus has been sequenced, we didn't have the "same thing" last year. Apparently he hasn't been keeping up with developments! Quote: Dr Joel Kettner s professor of Community Health Sciences and Surgery at Manitoba University ... I have never seen anything like this, anything anywhere near like this. I’m not talking about the pandemic, because I’ve seen 30 of them, one every year. It is called influenza. And other respiratory illness viruses, we don’t always know what they are. But I’ve never seen this reaction, and I’m trying to understand why. […] I worry about the message to the public, about the fear of coming into contact with people, being in the same space as people, shaking their hands, having meetings with people. I worry about many, many consequences related to that. […] In Hubei, in the province of Hubei, where there has been the most cases and deaths by far, the actual number of cases reported is 1 per 1000 people and the actual rate of deaths reported is 1 per 20,000. So maybe that would help to put things into perspective. BUT in Hubei they instituted draconian quarantine and social distancing policies, built 16 pop-up hospitals to treat the sick. The death rate was lowered because of policy, not despite it. Quote: Dr John Ioannidis Professor of Medicine, of Health Research and Policy and of Biomedical Data Science, at Stanford University School of Medicine and a Professor of Statistics at Stanford University School of Humanities and Sciences... Patients who have been tested for SARS-CoV-2 are disproportionately those with severe symptoms and bad outcomes. As most health systems have limited testing capacity, selection bias may even worsen in the near future. The one situation where an entire, closed population was tested was the Diamond Princess cruise ship and its quarantine passengers. The case fatality rate there was 1.0%, but this was a largely elderly population, in which the death rate from Covid-19 is much higher. FINALLY! Something I can agree with! IF we can't have "universal" testing we at least need some random testing. Quote: Dr Yoram Lass is an Israeli physician, politician and former Director General of the Health Ministry.... Italy is known for its enormous morbidity in respiratory problems, more than three times any other European country. In the US about 40,000 people die in a regular flu season and so far 40-50 people have died of the coronavirus, most of them in a nursing home in Kirkland, Washington. Again, he needs to annualize the case fatality rate. How can such a smart person make such a stupid mistake? Quote: Dr Pietro Vernazza is a Swiss physician specialising Infectious Diseases at the Cantonal Hospital St. Gallen and Professor of Health Policy. We have reliable figures from Italy and a work by epidemiologists, which has been published in the renowned science journal ‹Science›, which examined the spread in China. This makes it clear that around 85 percent of all infections have occurred without anyone noticing the infection. 90 percent of the deceased patients are verifiably over 70 years old, 50 percent over 80 years. I have not seen ANY such studies. One published by China indicated that roughly 30% of the infected population was asymptomatic. not "85%". So ... Stop the handwaving. CITES AND LINKS, PLEASE. Quote:Frank Ulrich Montgomery is German radiologist, former President of the German Medical Association and Deputy Chairman of the World Medical Association... I’m not a fan of lockdown. Anyone who imposes something like this must also say when and how to pick it up again. Since we have to assume that the virus will be with us for a long time, I wonder when we will return to normal? You can’t keep schools and daycare centers closed until the end of the year. Because it will take at least that long until we have a vaccine. Italy has imposed a lockdown and has the opposite effect. They quickly reached their capacity limits, but did not slow down the virus spread within the lockdown. Not true. The death rate in Italy is finally beginning to heel over, thanks to lockdowns. Quote: Prof. Hendrik Streeck is a German HIV researcher, epidemiologist and clinical trialist... The new pathogen is not that dangerous, it is even less dangerous than Sars-1. The special thing is that Sars-CoV-2 replicates in the upper throat area and is therefore much more infectious because the virus jumps from throat to throat, so to speak. But that is also an advantage: Because Sars-1 replicates in the deep lungs, it is not so infectious, but it definitely gets on the lungs, which makes it more dangerous. Hello? Respiratory failure being the primary mode of death? Quote: Dr Yanis Roussel et. al. – A team of researchers from the Institut Hospitalo-universitaire Méditerranée Infection, Marseille and the Institut de Recherche pour le Développement ... The problem of SARS-CoV-2 is probably overestimated, as 2.6 million people die of respiratory infections each year compared with less than 4000 deaths for SARS-CoV-2 at the time of writing. Again, they're comparing annualized deaths to deaths expanding exponentially and only over a three-month period. Quote: Dr. David Katz is an American physician and founding director of the Yale University Prevention Research Center What he says: I am deeply concerned that the social, economic and public health consequences of this near-total meltdown of normal life — schools and businesses closed, gatherings banned — will be long-lasting and calamitous, possibly graver than the direct toll of the virus itself. The stock market will bounce back in time, but many businesses never will. The unemployment, impoverishment and despair likely to result will be public health scourges of the first order. A doctor commenting on economic matters? Sounds like Trump talking about medicine. There's more, but it's a repeat. Mostly baloney. ----------- Pity would be no more, If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake #STAYTHEFUCKHOME
Quote: Dr Sucharit Bhakdi is a specialist in microbiology. He was a professor at the Johannes Gutenberg University in Mainz and head of the Institute for Medical Microbiology and Hygiene and one of the most cited research scientists in German history. What he says: We are afraid that 1 million infections with the new virus will lead to 30 deaths per day over the next 100 days. But we do not realise that 20, 30, 40 or 100 patients positive for normal coronaviruses are already dying every day. [The government’s anti-COVID19 measures] are grotesque, absurd and very dangerous […] The life expectancy of millions is being shortened. The horrifying impact on the world economy threatens the existence of countless people. The consequences on medical care are profound. Already services to patients in need are reduced, operations cancelled, practices empty, hospital personnel dwindling. All this will impact profoundly on our whole society. All these measures are leading to self-destruction and collective suicide based on nothing but a spook.
Quote: Dr Wolfgang Wodarg is a German physician specialising in Pulmonology ... Politicians are being courted by scientists…scientists who want to be important to get money for their institutions. Scientists who just swim along in the mainstream and want their part of it […] And what is missing right now is a rational way of looking at things. We should be asking questions like “How did you find out this virus was dangerous?”, “How was it before?”, “Didn’t we have the same thing last year?”, “Is it even something new?” That’s missing.
Quote: Dr Joel Kettner s professor of Community Health Sciences and Surgery at Manitoba University ... I have never seen anything like this, anything anywhere near like this. I’m not talking about the pandemic, because I’ve seen 30 of them, one every year. It is called influenza. And other respiratory illness viruses, we don’t always know what they are. But I’ve never seen this reaction, and I’m trying to understand why. […] I worry about the message to the public, about the fear of coming into contact with people, being in the same space as people, shaking their hands, having meetings with people. I worry about many, many consequences related to that. […] In Hubei, in the province of Hubei, where there has been the most cases and deaths by far, the actual number of cases reported is 1 per 1000 people and the actual rate of deaths reported is 1 per 20,000. So maybe that would help to put things into perspective.
Quote: Dr John Ioannidis Professor of Medicine, of Health Research and Policy and of Biomedical Data Science, at Stanford University School of Medicine and a Professor of Statistics at Stanford University School of Humanities and Sciences... Patients who have been tested for SARS-CoV-2 are disproportionately those with severe symptoms and bad outcomes. As most health systems have limited testing capacity, selection bias may even worsen in the near future. The one situation where an entire, closed population was tested was the Diamond Princess cruise ship and its quarantine passengers. The case fatality rate there was 1.0%, but this was a largely elderly population, in which the death rate from Covid-19 is much higher.
Quote: Dr Yoram Lass is an Israeli physician, politician and former Director General of the Health Ministry.... Italy is known for its enormous morbidity in respiratory problems, more than three times any other European country. In the US about 40,000 people die in a regular flu season and so far 40-50 people have died of the coronavirus, most of them in a nursing home in Kirkland, Washington.
Quote: Dr Pietro Vernazza is a Swiss physician specialising Infectious Diseases at the Cantonal Hospital St. Gallen and Professor of Health Policy. We have reliable figures from Italy and a work by epidemiologists, which has been published in the renowned science journal ‹Science›, which examined the spread in China. This makes it clear that around 85 percent of all infections have occurred without anyone noticing the infection. 90 percent of the deceased patients are verifiably over 70 years old, 50 percent over 80 years.
Quote:Frank Ulrich Montgomery is German radiologist, former President of the German Medical Association and Deputy Chairman of the World Medical Association... I’m not a fan of lockdown. Anyone who imposes something like this must also say when and how to pick it up again. Since we have to assume that the virus will be with us for a long time, I wonder when we will return to normal? You can’t keep schools and daycare centers closed until the end of the year. Because it will take at least that long until we have a vaccine. Italy has imposed a lockdown and has the opposite effect. They quickly reached their capacity limits, but did not slow down the virus spread within the lockdown.
Quote: Prof. Hendrik Streeck is a German HIV researcher, epidemiologist and clinical trialist... The new pathogen is not that dangerous, it is even less dangerous than Sars-1. The special thing is that Sars-CoV-2 replicates in the upper throat area and is therefore much more infectious because the virus jumps from throat to throat, so to speak. But that is also an advantage: Because Sars-1 replicates in the deep lungs, it is not so infectious, but it definitely gets on the lungs, which makes it more dangerous.
Quote: Dr Yanis Roussel et. al. – A team of researchers from the Institut Hospitalo-universitaire Méditerranée Infection, Marseille and the Institut de Recherche pour le Développement ... The problem of SARS-CoV-2 is probably overestimated, as 2.6 million people die of respiratory infections each year compared with less than 4000 deaths for SARS-CoV-2 at the time of writing.
Quote: Dr. David Katz is an American physician and founding director of the Yale University Prevention Research Center What he says: I am deeply concerned that the social, economic and public health consequences of this near-total meltdown of normal life — schools and businesses closed, gatherings banned — will be long-lasting and calamitous, possibly graver than the direct toll of the virus itself. The stock market will bounce back in time, but many businesses never will. The unemployment, impoverishment and despair likely to result will be public health scourges of the first order.
Thursday, March 26, 2020 2:42 PM
Thursday, March 26, 2020 4:16 PM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: So, now for some INTELLIGENT skepticism about the virus. Quote: Dr Sucharit Bhakdi is a specialist in microbiology. He was a professor at the Johannes Gutenberg University in Mainz and head of the Institute for Medical Microbiology and Hygiene and one of the most cited research scientists in German history. What he says: We are afraid that 1 million infections with the new virus will lead to 30 deaths per day over the next 100 days. But we do not realise that 20, 30, 40 or 100 patients positive for normal coronaviruses are already dying every day. [The government’s anti-COVID19 measures] are grotesque, absurd and very dangerous […] The life expectancy of millions is being shortened. The horrifying impact on the world economy threatens the existence of countless people. The consequences on medical care are profound. Already services to patients in need are reduced, operations cancelled, practices empty, hospital personnel dwindling. All this will impact profoundly on our whole society. All these measures are leading to self-destruction and collective suicide based on nothing but a spook. My comment: Services to "other" patients aren't being reduced because hospitals are empty, but because hospitals are FULL. It's a little hard to ignore the death rate in some nations, but Bhakdi seems to manage! Quote: Dr Wolfgang Wodarg is a German physician specialising in Pulmonology ... Politicians are being courted by scientists…scientists who want to be important to get money for their institutions. Scientists who just swim along in the mainstream and want their part of it […] And what is missing right now is a rational way of looking at things. We should be asking questions like “How did you find out this virus was dangerous?”, “How was it before?”, “Didn’t we have the same thing last year?”, “Is it even something new?” That’s missing. No, it's not missing. The virus has been sequenced, we didn't have the "same thing" last year. Apparently he hasn't been keeping up with developments! Quote: Dr Joel Kettner s professor of Community Health Sciences and Surgery at Manitoba University ... I have never seen anything like this, anything anywhere near like this. I’m not talking about the pandemic, because I’ve seen 30 of them, one every year. It is called influenza. And other respiratory illness viruses, we don’t always know what they are. But I’ve never seen this reaction, and I’m trying to understand why. […] I worry about the message to the public, about the fear of coming into contact with people, being in the same space as people, shaking their hands, having meetings with people. I worry about many, many consequences related to that. […] In Hubei, in the province of Hubei, where there has been the most cases and deaths by far, the actual number of cases reported is 1 per 1000 people and the actual rate of deaths reported is 1 per 20,000. So maybe that would help to put things into perspective. BUT in Hubei they instituted draconian quarantine and social distancing policies, built 16 pop-up hospitals to treat the sick. The death rate was lowered because of policy, not despite it. Quote: Dr John Ioannidis Professor of Medicine, of Health Research and Policy and of Biomedical Data Science, at Stanford University School of Medicine and a Professor of Statistics at Stanford University School of Humanities and Sciences... Patients who have been tested for SARS-CoV-2 are disproportionately those with severe symptoms and bad outcomes. As most health systems have limited testing capacity, selection bias may even worsen in the near future. The one situation where an entire, closed population was tested was the Diamond Princess cruise ship and its quarantine passengers. The case fatality rate there was 1.0%, but this was a largely elderly population, in which the death rate from Covid-19 is much higher. FINALLY! Something I can agree with! IF we can't have "universal" testing we at least need some random testing. Quote: Dr Yoram Lass is an Israeli physician, politician and former Director General of the Health Ministry.... Italy is known for its enormous morbidity in respiratory problems, more than three times any other European country. In the US about 40,000 people die in a regular flu season and so far 40-50 people have died of the coronavirus, most of them in a nursing home in Kirkland, Washington. Again, he needs to annualize the case fatality rate. How can such a smart person make such a stupid mistake? Quote: Dr Pietro Vernazza is a Swiss physician specialising Infectious Diseases at the Cantonal Hospital St. Gallen and Professor of Health Policy. We have reliable figures from Italy and a work by epidemiologists, which has been published in the renowned science journal ‹Science›, which examined the spread in China. This makes it clear that around 85 percent of all infections have occurred without anyone noticing the infection. 90 percent of the deceased patients are verifiably over 70 years old, 50 percent over 80 years. I have not seen ANY such studies. One published by China indicated that roughly 30% of the infected population was asymptomatic. not "85%". So ... Stop the handwaving. CITES AND LINKS, PLEASE. Quote:Frank Ulrich Montgomery is German radiologist, former President of the German Medical Association and Deputy Chairman of the World Medical Association... I’m not a fan of lockdown. Anyone who imposes something like this must also say when and how to pick it up again. Since we have to assume that the virus will be with us for a long time, I wonder when we will return to normal? You can’t keep schools and daycare centers closed until the end of the year. Because it will take at least that long until we have a vaccine. Italy has imposed a lockdown and has the opposite effect. They quickly reached their capacity limits, but did not slow down the virus spread within the lockdown. Not true. The death rate in Italy is finally beginning to heel over, thanks to lockdowns. Quote: Prof. Hendrik Streeck is a German HIV researcher, epidemiologist and clinical trialist... The new pathogen is not that dangerous, it is even less dangerous than Sars-1. The special thing is that Sars-CoV-2 replicates in the upper throat area and is therefore much more infectious because the virus jumps from throat to throat, so to speak. But that is also an advantage: Because Sars-1 replicates in the deep lungs, it is not so infectious, but it definitely gets on the lungs, which makes it more dangerous. Hello? Respiratory failure being the primary mode of death? Quote: Dr Yanis Roussel et. al. – A team of researchers from the Institut Hospitalo-universitaire Méditerranée Infection, Marseille and the Institut de Recherche pour le Développement ... The problem of SARS-CoV-2 is probably overestimated, as 2.6 million people die of respiratory infections each year compared with less than 4000 deaths for SARS-CoV-2 at the time of writing. Again, they're comparing annualized deaths to deaths expanding exponentially and only over a three-month period. Quote: Dr. David Katz is an American physician and founding director of the Yale University Prevention Research Center What he says: I am deeply concerned that the social, economic and public health consequences of this near-total meltdown of normal life — schools and businesses closed, gatherings banned — will be long-lasting and calamitous, possibly graver than the direct toll of the virus itself. The stock market will bounce back in time, but many businesses never will. The unemployment, impoverishment and despair likely to result will be public health scourges of the first order. A doctor commenting on economic matters? Sounds like Trump talking about medicine. There's more, but it's a repeat. Mostly baloney. ----------- Pity would be no more, If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake #STAYTHEFUCKHOME A list of doctors saying pretty much what I've been saying since the beginning. And you don't believe them either. Sounds to me like maybe you and Kiki are in a cult. Having flashbacks to Russiagate here. Same bullshit. Different people buying it. Do Right, Be Right. :) SIX, everything you post lacks evidence. THAT was the problem with Russiagate. THAT'S how you separate out the real deal from bullshit. Stop name-calling and posting videos of idiots licking toilet seats (more likely to catch HepC, they should be licking doorknobs instead), bring facts. ----------- Pity would be no more, If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake #STAYTHEFUCKHOME
Thursday, March 26, 2020 4:52 PM
Thursday, March 26, 2020 4:54 PM
Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: lol #GO AHEAD AND STAY THE FUCK HOME IF YOU'RE A LEMMING Do Right, Be Right. :)
Thursday, March 26, 2020 5:06 PM
Quote:You just brought a bunch of facts. But you claim they're all bullshit because they don't feed into your panic.
Thursday, March 26, 2020 7:14 PM
Friday, March 27, 2020 7:47 AM
Friday, March 27, 2020 8:56 AM
Friday, March 27, 2020 3:08 PM
Friday, March 27, 2020 3:26 PM
Quote:Originally posted by THG: Nope, let's just make sure people can afford it and have it. T Deep state describes dedicated, educated professionals.
Friday, March 27, 2020 4:37 PM
WISHIMAY
Friday, March 27, 2020 4:47 PM
Friday, March 27, 2020 5:26 PM
1KIKI
Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.
Friday, March 27, 2020 5:39 PM
Quote:Originally posted by THG: It's called the Affordable Care Act Jack. It was always meant to be reworked and built upon, but the republicans fucked that up. Time to get someone into office who'll improve upon it. T Deep state describes dedicated, educated professionals.
Friday, March 27, 2020 5:41 PM
Quote:Originally posted by 1KIKI: Roof repair, insurance, doctors ... it's the American way of doing business Jack - find a niche and make the most profit possible.
Friday, March 27, 2020 5:50 PM
Friday, March 27, 2020 5:59 PM
Friday, March 27, 2020 6:08 PM
Quote:Originally posted by THG: Like I said Jack, the republicans fucked the ACA up. T Deep state describes dedicated, educated professionals.
Friday, March 27, 2020 6:09 PM
Quote:Originally posted by 1KIKI: Well, if that's the natural outcome of the American way of doing business, you shouldn't have a problem with it. Because you support all private enterprise, and nothing government run. So quitcha' bitchin'.
Friday, March 27, 2020 6:42 PM
Friday, March 27, 2020 6:48 PM
Friday, March 27, 2020 8:10 PM
Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: Quote:Originally posted by 1KIKI: Well, if that's the natural outcome of the American way of doing business, you shouldn't have a problem with it. Because you support all private enterprise, and nothing government run. So quitcha' bitchin'. And some wonder why I'm a nihilist. Do Right, Be Right. :)
Friday, March 27, 2020 9:20 PM
Quote:Originally posted by second: Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: Quote:Originally posted by 1KIKI: Well, if that's the natural outcome of the American way of doing business, you shouldn't have a problem with it. Because you support all private enterprise, and nothing government run. So quitcha' bitchin'. And some wonder why I'm a nihilist. Do Right, Be Right. :)Scientific American explained why you are a nihilist. New research contrasts two very different profiles of human nature: 1) “I still believe, in spite of everything, that people are truly good at heart.” – Anne Frank 2) “What’s one less person on the face of the earth, anyway?” – Ted Bundy (and 6ixStringJack) https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/beautiful-minds/the-light-triad-vs-dark-triad-of-personality/ The dark triad of personality consists of: 1. narcissism (entitled self-importance) 2. Machiavellianism (strategic exploitation and deceit) 3. psychopathy (callousness and cynicism) There is enough overlap among these three "socially aversive" traits that Paulhus has argued that they "should be studied in concert." Indeed, there does appear to be a "dark core" to personality. The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
Friday, March 27, 2020 11:45 PM
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Saturday, March 28, 2020 7:13 AM
Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: Quote:Originally posted by second: Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: Quote:Originally posted by 1KIKI: Well, if that's the natural outcome of the American way of doing business, you shouldn't have a problem with it. Because you support all private enterprise, and nothing government run. So quitcha' bitchin'. And some wonder why I'm a nihilist. Do Right, Be Right. :)Scientific American explained why you are a nihilist. New research contrasts two very different profiles of human nature: 1) “I still believe, in spite of everything, that people are truly good at heart.” – Anne Frank 2) “What’s one less person on the face of the earth, anyway?” – Ted Bundy (and 6ixStringJack) https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/beautiful-minds/the-light-triad-vs-dark-triad-of-personality/ The dark triad of personality consists of: 1. narcissism (entitled self-importance) 2. Machiavellianism (strategic exploitation and deceit) 3. psychopathy (callousness and cynicism) There is enough overlap among these three "socially aversive" traits that Paulhus has argued that they "should be studied in concert." Indeed, there does appear to be a "dark core" to personality. The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly Yup. Because to a simple mind like Second's there are only two personality traits, the world is completely black and white and you are either one or the other. I'm sure the guy who has advocated that everyone murder their boss and steal everything they own as well as call for the assassination of the President (I'm talking about you Second) is NOT the Anne Frank personality. That only leaves Ted Bundy for you, bruh. Do you see how easily you constantly paint yourself into a corner yet? Is the enormity of your abject stupidity and hypocrisy starting to sink in? Do Right, Be Right. :)
Saturday, March 28, 2020 7:50 AM
Quote:Originally posted by second: Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: Quote:Originally posted by second: Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: Quote:Originally posted by 1KIKI: Well, if that's the natural outcome of the American way of doing business, you shouldn't have a problem with it. Because you support all private enterprise, and nothing government run. So quitcha' bitchin'. And some wonder why I'm a nihilist. Do Right, Be Right. :)Scientific American explained why you are a nihilist. New research contrasts two very different profiles of human nature: 1) “I still believe, in spite of everything, that people are truly good at heart.” – Anne Frank 2) “What’s one less person on the face of the earth, anyway?” – Ted Bundy (and 6ixStringJack) https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/beautiful-minds/the-light-triad-vs-dark-triad-of-personality/ The dark triad of personality consists of: 1. narcissism (entitled self-importance) 2. Machiavellianism (strategic exploitation and deceit) 3. psychopathy (callousness and cynicism) There is enough overlap among these three "socially aversive" traits that Paulhus has argued that they "should be studied in concert." Indeed, there does appear to be a "dark core" to personality. The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly Yup. Because to a simple mind like Second's there are only two personality traits, the world is completely black and white and you are either one or the other. I'm sure the guy who has advocated that everyone murder their boss and steal everything they own as well as call for the assassination of the President (I'm talking about you Second) is NOT the Anne Frank personality. That only leaves Ted Bundy for you, bruh. Do you see how easily you constantly paint yourself into a corner yet? Is the enormity of your abject stupidity and hypocrisy starting to sink in? Do Right, Be Right. :)6ix, the key word is "continuum". I will use it in a sentence from the article you could have read in less time than it took you to write a response: "While these three traits had traditionally been studied mostly among clinical populations (e.g., criminals), Paulhus and Williams showed that each of these traits are clearly on a continuum—we are all at least a little bit narcissistic, Machiavellian and psychopathic." https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/beautiful-minds/the-light-triad-vs-dark-triad-of-personality/ The next quote is from 6ixStringJack and today: "Meanwhile... 57 million+ people are going to die in the world in 2020. And a majority of COVID deaths are likely to be people who were going to be a part of that statistic by the end of the year because of the other illnesses they had that made them so weak to it in the first place." That is in the same region as “What’s one less person on the face of the earth, anyway?” – Ted Bundy I've also heard what 6ix wrote from actual officers serving in Vietnam who never understood why their strategies lost that war. Those officers were very nonchalant about "collateral damage" to civilians and their property, e.g. water buffalo. http://fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=63473&mid=1097730#1097730 The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
Saturday, March 28, 2020 8:11 AM
Quote: KIKI Well, if that's the natural outcome of the American way of doing business, you shouldn't have a problem with it. Because you support all private enterprise, and nothing government run. So quitcha' bitchin'. SIX And some wonder why I'm a nihilist.
Quote: SECOND: New research contrasts two very different profiles of human nature: 1) “I still believe, in spite of everything, that people are truly good at heart.” – Anne Frank 2) “What’s one less person on the face of the earth, anyway?” – Ted Bundy (and 6ixStringJack) https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/beautiful-minds/the-light-triad-vs-dark-triad-of-personality/ The dark triad of personality consists of: 1. narcissism (entitled self-importance) 2. Machiavellianism (strategic exploitation and deceit) 3. psychopathy (callousness and cynicism) There is enough overlap among these three "socially aversive" traits that Paulhus has argued that they "should be studied in concert." Indeed, there does appear to be a "dark core" to personality.] SIX: Yup. Because to a simple mind like Second's there are only two personality traits, the world is completely black and white and you are either one or the other. I'm sure the guy who has advocated that everyone murder their boss and steal everything they own as well as call for the assassination of the President (I'm talking about you Second) is NOT the Anne Frank personality. That only leaves Ted Bundy for you, bruh. Do you see how easily you constantly paint yourself into a corner yet? Is the enormity of your abject stupidity and hypocrisy starting to sink in? SECOND: 6ix, the key word is "continuum"... blah blah ... The next quote is from 6ixStringJack and today: "Meanwhile... 57 million+ people are going to die in the world in 2020. And a majority of COVID deaths are likely to be people who were going to be a part of that statistic by the end of the year because of the other illnesses they had that made them so weak to it in the first place." That is in the same region as “What’s one less person on the face of the earth, anyway?” – Ted Bundy
Quote:I've also heard what 6ix wrote from actual officers serving in Vietnam who never understood why their strategies lost that war. Those officers were very nonchalant about "collateral damage" to civilians and their property, e.g. water buffalo.
Quote:SIX: I know what contiuum means, idiot. But your scenario here shows two distinct extremes. Every single post you make does. Black and White. Day and Night. Democrat and Republican. Good and Evil. Ann Frank and Ted Bundy. Your poorly programmed NPC brain is only capable of Binary. 1 and Zero. I'll state it again because you're stupid. You are Ted Bundy in an either/or situation. You're no Anne Frank, buddy.
Quote: Do Right, Be Right.
Saturday, March 28, 2020 8:28 AM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: Quote: KIKI Well, if that's the natural outcome of the American way of doing business, you shouldn't have a problem with it. Because you support all private enterprise, and nothing government run. So quitcha' bitchin'. SIX And some wonder why I'm a nihilist. No,I don't wonder why. You've painted yourself into a corner, SIX, that's why. Might want to unpaint yourself.
Saturday, March 28, 2020 8:41 AM
Quote:The society is unarguably the omnibus of good and evil unparalleled forces. No segment of the society irrespective of its nomenclature, religious or cultural affiliation can presently or will ever claim monopoly of transacting only good or evil. Nature naturally permits dual operation of the two realities; they co-exist, merge, blend, cyclical in succession and never mutually exclusive in any single known entity. Every living individual is a bundle of the two forces, choked by both but with the impelled choice to decide depending on circumstances and self-willed on which force to adhere to. It is a display of social, spiritual and political ignorant for anyone to continue to identify a particular religion, race, class, ethnicity or even political party as completely evil or completely good. It only appears safer to conclude that a man or group of men are either less evil or less good, and as indicated previously, in as much as there is no known purely good or purely bad men, there is equally no known or established strictly conglomeration of evil or good men. A group only appears good when circumstantially or momentarily, majority of the members, attendees are less evil inclined or in action, and accordingly tagged evil when majority are less good. Less evil obviously does not signify absent of evil or absolute goodness, neither does less good denotes absent of good but just perceived domination of a particular trait by most of the people which deceptively form a canopy for the group.
Saturday, March 28, 2020 11:07 AM
Saturday, March 28, 2020 1:00 PM
Quote:Originally posted by THG: Just kill yourself now Jack. You know you're going to do it. You're such a mess I can't see anything leading to your salvation. (Preservation or deliverance from harm, ruin, or loss.) Attacking Anne Frank; common. Do it Jack, the world won't morn your loss I promise you. T Deep state describes dedicated, educated professionals.
Saturday, March 28, 2020 1:14 PM
Sunday, March 29, 2020 7:52 AM
Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: I know what continuum means, idiot. But your scenario here shows two distinct extremes. Every single post you make does. Your brain is incapable of comprehending nuance, and bereft of any possible shades of grey... Black and White. Day and Night. Democrat and Republican. Good and Evil. Ann Frank and Ted Bundy. Your poorly programmed NPC brain is only capable of Binary. Ones and Zeros. I'll state it again because you're stupid. You are Ted Bundy in an either/or situation. 'Cause let me tell ya... You are no Anne Frank, buddy. Do Right, Be Right. :)
Sunday, March 29, 2020 8:53 AM
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Quote:Originally posted by second: Does all this give you a sense of déjà vu? It should. After all, it’s very similar to the Trump/right-wing line on climate change. Here’s what Trump tweeted back in 2012: “The concept of global warming was created by and for the Chinese in order to make U.S. manufacturing noncompetitive.” It’s all there: it’s a hoax, doing anything about it will destroy the economy, and let’s blame China. And epidemiologists startled to find their best scientific efforts denounced as politically motivated fraud should have known what was coming. After all, exactly the same thing happened to climate scientists, who have faced constant harassment for decades. So the right-wing response to Covid-19 has been almost identical to the right-wing response to climate change, albeit on a vastly accelerated time scale. But what lies behind this kind of denialism?
Sunday, March 29, 2020 10:42 AM
Quote:Originally posted by second: Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: I know what continuum means, idiot. But your scenario here shows two distinct extremes. Every single post you make does. Your brain is incapable of comprehending nuance, and bereft of any possible shades of grey... Black and White. Day and Night. Democrat and Republican. Good and Evil. Ann Frank and Ted Bundy. Your poorly programmed NPC brain is only capable of Binary. Ones and Zeros. I'll state it again because you're stupid. You are Ted Bundy in an either/or situation. 'Cause let me tell ya... You are no Anne Frank, buddy. Do Right, Be Right. :)Let us see if 6ix can be haughty and display his superiority complex ("an attitude of superiority which conceals actual feelings of inferiority and failure") about this comparison:
Sunday, March 29, 2020 11:31 AM
Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: No. That's alright. We can go right back to the conversation we were already having without you trying to derail it. Try again. Do Right, Be Right. :)
Sunday, March 29, 2020 11:55 AM
Sunday, March 29, 2020 12:09 PM
Sunday, March 29, 2020 12:50 PM
Quote:Originally posted by second: Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: No. That's alright. We can go right back to the conversation we were already having without you trying to derail it. Try again. Do Right, Be Right. :)You mean the "conversation" where you're threatening people with jail for what they wrote about you?
Sunday, March 29, 2020 1:42 PM
Quote:Originally posted by second: Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: No. That's alright. We can go right back to the conversation we were already having without you trying to derail it. Try again. Do Right, Be Right. :)You mean the "conversation" where you're threatening people with jail for what they wrote about you? You're getting more like Trump everyday. I look forward to you calling the police and that November election. I really want to know if 6ix can get his "enemies" jailed and how many people approve of the job Trump is doing. Will they have forgotten he ran his mouth for months about Covid-19 being nothing and will they fondly remember his sales and marketing tactics and his self-help tips from The Power of Positive Thinking? The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
Sunday, March 29, 2020 1:56 PM
Sunday, March 29, 2020 2:03 PM
Quote:Originally posted by THG: Correct Second. Can't wait till election day myself. tick tock
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