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Friday, October 4, 2019 2:58 PM
JEWELSTAITEFAN
Quote:Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN: BLS currently defines the Want A Job category as not being part of the Labor Force. So I will post some actual numbers and let the comparisons and discussion follow. The documented shenanigans of Obamabots deliberately refusing to Report jobless data in the months before the 2012 Election are a different matter, I will just use the Fake Data they produced and pretend it was real. I will use only the Unadjusted numbers, to help maintain clarity and transparency.
Quote:The Civilian Adult Population steadily Increases, suggesting that figure is not manipulated. The Unemployment Rate after 2008 was able to be artificially less by shifting more unemployed into the Want A Job category, which Obamanomics managed to increase to over 7 Million for the only time in the BLS tables. This Jan figure (Want A Job) didn't return to within 0.1% of 2008 level until 2018, after Trump's first year. The figure of Unemployed plus Want A Job is indisputably the real Unfake Unemployment figure. The Labor Force Participation Rate steadily dropped each year until finally reversing in 2017, Trump's first year. The Want A Job count maxxed out in Aug 2012, just as Obama was proclaiming that Unemployment Rates had dropped, which he needed to get below 8.0% by October, in order to win re-election.
Quote:I will post some actual numbers and let the comparisons and discussion follow. The documented shenanigans of Obamabots deliberately refusing to Report jobless data in the months before the 2012 Election are a different matter, I will just use the Fake Data they produced and pretend it was real. The BLS uses both Seasonally Adjusted figures and Unadjusted figures, and interchanges them without clearly identifying so. For example, the current Rate of 4.1% (for 4 months straight) is SeasAdj, and the real Rate is 4.5% for Jan 2018. I will use only the Unadjusted numbers, to help maintain clarity and transparency. Some numbers may have a 0 placed as first digit, to maintain column form in this format. The 1st column of numbers is the unemployed. The 2nd column is the Rate. The 3rd column is what is called Marginally Attached to the Labor Force, which is included in the Want A Job Now category but NOT included in the Labor Force category and therefore excluded from the reported Unemployment category. The 5th column is the sum of Unemployed plus Marginally Attached - which more accurately represents the Actual Unemployed. The 6th column is the Rate for column 5 figure. The 7th column is the Involuntary Part-Time workers, who are Not Employed Full Time due to poor Economy, and want, are able to work FT. The 8th column is the Rate for column 7. The 9th column is the sum of the 5th column plus 7th column. 10th column is the Rate for column 9 figure. The Rates in columns 2, 4, 6, 8, 10 have the denominator of Labor Force. The 11th column is the Civilian Population. 12th column is Labor Force, 13th column is Participation Rate. 14th column is the published U-6 figure.
Quote:Comparing to The Great Depression: the Unemployment peaked in 1933 at 24.75% with 12.830 Million unemployed. In 1932 there were 12.060 M unemployed, and 11.340M in 1934, 10.610 in 1935. The 5 year stretch from 2009 to 2014 exceeded 12.9 Million each year, more Unemployed than the Great Depression. And 2014 was only less with the Fake figure, but including Marginally Attached was still more than Great Depression. The Civilian Adult Population steadily Increases, suggesting that figure is not manipulated. The Unemployment Rate was almost doubled by Jan 2010, and the Fake figure didn't return to 2008 level until Jan 2016. This figure after 2008 was able to be artificially less by shifting more unemployed into the Marginally Attached category, which Obamanomics managed to almost double. This Jan figure didn't return to 2008 level until 2017, after Trump was Elected. With 10 Million in 2008, this count did not fall back to sub-10 Million until 2017.
Friday, October 4, 2019 2:59 PM
Quote:Comparing to The Great Depression: the Unemployment peaked in 1933 at 24.75% with 12.830 Million unemployed. In 1932 there were 12.060 M unemployed, and 11.340M in 1934, 10.610 in 1935. The 5 year stretch from 2009 to 2014 exceeded 12.9 Million each year, more Unemployed than the Great Depression. And 2014 was only less with the Fake figure, but including Marginally Attached was still more than Great Depression. The Civilian Adult Population steadily Increases, suggesting that figure is not manipulated. The Unemployment Rate was almost doubled by Jan 2010, and the Fake figure didn't return to 2008 level until Jan 2016. This figure after 2008 was able to be artificially less by shifting more unemployed into the Marginally Attached category, which Obamanomics managed to almost double. This Jan figure didn't return to 2008 level until 2017, after Trump was Elected. With 10 Million in 2008, this count did not fall back to sub-10 Million until 2017. With Obamanomics pushing more into the Involuntary Part-Time group, this also got bloated to disguise the horrible Unemployment problems, and this Rate did not return to 2008 level until 2018. The Jan Rate of all 3 categories combined of Obamanomics Unemployment did not fall back to 2008 level until 2018. The Labor Force Participation Rate steadily dropped each year until finally reversing in 2017, Trump's first year.
Quote: The Civilian Adult Population steadily Increases, suggesting that figure is not manipulated. Except possibly 2010, 2011, 2016. The Labor Force Participation Rate steadily dropped each year until finally reversing in 2017, Trump's first year.
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Friday, February 7, 2020 5:24 PM
Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: Wow. Behold all those people with 2 or 3 part time shitty jobs with no benefits. Great times. Do Right, Be Right. :)
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Friday, February 7, 2020 7:45 PM
Quote:Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN: Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: Wow. Behold all those people with 2 or 3 part time shitty jobs with no benefits. Great times. Do Right, Be Right. :)You seem to be forgetting that this is what you wanted. You voted for Obamination so that he would ship all good jobs overseas. You thought jobs and the economy were not important things to influence your vote. Tards like you voted for Obamination because you did not want good jobs to be in America. You wanted high unemployment. You wanted record numbers on government subsistence. You got exactly what you wanted and voted for, so stop your whining while we have somebody doing something to improve the situation.
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Quote:Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN: Updating with today's Jobs Report data: I will refer to this set of data as Table JSF-URF-1 Jan 2002 is listed twice. First with original report data from February 2002. Second with revised data from new Census data, published in February 2003. Quote:Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN: BLS currently defines the Want A Job category as not being part of the Labor Force. So I will post some actual numbers and let the comparisons and discussion follow. The documented shenanigans of Obamabots deliberately refusing to Report jobless data in the months before the 2012 Election are a different matter, I will just use the Fake Data they produced and pretend it was real. I will use only the Unadjusted numbers, to help maintain clarity and transparency. Mo/Yr Unemp Pcnt WAJb Pcnt SubTtl Pcnt InvPT Pcnt Total Prcnt CivPop LbrFrc Prtc% U-6 Jan98 07069 05.2% 5026 3.7% 12095 08.9% 4090 3.0% 16185 11.9% 204238 135951 66.6 09.3 Jan99 06604 04.8% 4800 3.5% 11404 08.3% 3645 2.6% 15049 10.9% 206719 137943 66.7 08.5 Jan00 06316 04.5% 4354 3.1% 10670 07.6% 3355 2.4% 14025 10.0% 208782 139621 66.9 07.8 Jan01 06647 04.7% 4474 3.2% 11121 07.9% 3559 2.5% 14680 10.4% 210889 141049 66.9 08.1 Jan02 08935 06.3% 4872 3.5% 13807 09.8% 4249 3.0% 18056 12.8% 213089 141074 66.2 10.5 Jan02 09051 06.3% 4938 3.4% 13989 09.8% 4453 3.1% 18442 12.9% 216506 143228 66.2 10.5 Jan03 09395 06.5% 4779 3.3% 14174 09.8% 5003 3.4% 19177 13.2% 219897 145301 66.1 11.0 Jan04 09144 06.3% 4913 3.4% 14057 09.6% 5152 3.5% 19209 13.2% 222161 146068 65.7 10.9 Jan05 08444 05.7% 5136 3.5% 13580 09.2% 4793 3.3% 18373 12.5% 224837 147125 65.4 10.2 Jan06 07608 05.1% 5095 3.4% 12703 08.5% 4513 3.0% 17216 11.5% 227553 149090 65.5 09.2 Jan07 07649 05.0% 4633 3.0% 12282 08.1% 4620 3.0% 16902 11.1% 230650 151924 65.9 09.1 Jan08 08221 05.4% 4977 3.2% 13198 08.6% 5235 3.5% 18433 12.1% 232616 152828 65.7 09.9 Jan09 13009 08.5% 5866 3.8% 18875 12.3% 8675 5.7% 27550 18.0% 234739 153445 65.4 15.4 Jan10 16147 10.6% 6108 4.0% 22255 14.6% 9161 5.9% 31416 20.5% 236832 152957 64.6 18.0 Jan11 14937 09.8% 6643 4.3% 21580 14.1% 9027 6.0% 30607 20.1% 238704 152536 63.9 17.3 Jan12 13541 08.8% 6495 4.3% 20036 13.1% 8747 5.7% 28783 18.8% 242269 153485 63.4 16.2 Jan13 13181 08.5% 6781 4.4% 19962 12.9% 8506 5.5% 28468 18.4% 244663 154794 63.3 15.4 Jan14 10855 07.0% 6508 4.2% 17363 11.2% 7617 5.0% 24980 16.2% 246915 154381 62.5 13.5 Jan15 09498 06.1% 6467 4.1% 15965 10.2% 7125 4.6% 23090 14.8% 249723 156050 62.5 12.0 Jan16 08309 05.3% 6166 3.9% 14475 09.2% 6234 4.0% 20709 13.2% 252397 157347 62.3 10.5 Jan17 08149 05.1% 5934 3.8% 14083 08.9% 6127 3.8% 20210 12.7% 254082 158676 62.5 10.1 Jan18 07189 04.5% 5364 3.3% 12553 07.8% 5380 3.4% 17933 11.2% 256780 160037 62.3 08.9 Jan19 07140 04.4% 5435 3.4% 12575 07.8% 5543 3.4% 18118 11.2% 258239 162104 62.8 08.8 Jan20 06504 04.0% 5107 3.1% 11611 07.1% 4605 2.8% 16216 09.9% 259502 163497 63.0 07.7 Jan18 07189 04.5% 5364 3.3% 12553 07.8% 5380 3.4% 17933 11.2% 256780 160037 62.3 08.9 Feb18 07091 04.4% 5152 3.2% 12243 07.6% 5241 3.2% 17484 10.8% 256934 161494 62.9 08.6 Mar18 06671 04.1% 4793 3.0% 11464 07.1% 4975 3.1% 16439 10.2% 257097 161548 62.8 08.1 Apr18 05932 03.7% 5010 3.1% 10942 06.8% 4631 2.9% 15573 09.7% 257272 161280 62.7 07.4 May18 05657 03.6% 5696 3.5% 11353 07.0% 4677 2.9% 16030 09.9% 257454 161765 62.8 07.3 Jun18 06812 04.2% 5654 3.5% 12466 07.6% 4974 3.0% 17440 10.7% 257642 163277 63.4 08.1 Jul18 06730 04.1% 5483 3.3% 12213 07.5% 4701 2.9% 16914 10.3% 257843 163734 63.5 07.9 Aug18 06370 03.9% 5534 3.4% 11904 07.3% 4263 2.6% 16167 09.9% 258066 161909 62.7 07.4 Sep18 05766 03.6% 5070 3.1% 10836 06.7% 4238 2.6% 15074 09.3% 258290 161958 62.7 07.1 Oct18 05771 03.5% 5048 3.1% 10819 06.6% 4169 2.6% 14988 09.2% 258514 162723 62.9 07.0 Nov18 05650 03.5% 5060 3.1% 10710 06.6% 4512 2.8% 15222 09.4% 258708 162665 62.9 07.2 Dec18 06029 03.7% 5121 3.1% 11150 06.8% 4621 2.8% 15771 09.6% 258888 162510 62.8 07.5 Jan19 07140 04.4% 5435 3.4% 12575 07.8% 5543 3.4% 18118 11.2% 258239 162104 62.8 08.8 Feb19 06625 04.1% 5196 3.2% 11821 07.3% 4477 2.8% 16298 10.0% 258392 162793 63.0 07.7 Mar19 06382 03.9% 4887 3.0% 11269 06.9% 4548 2.8% 15817 09.7% 258537 162823 63.0 07.5 Apr19 05387 03.3% 4951 3.1% 10338 06.4% 4424 2.7% 14762 09.1% 258693 162097 62.7 06.9 May19 05503 03.4% 5500 3.4% 11003 06.8% 4070 2.5% 15073 09.3% 258861 162655 62.8 06.7 Jun19 06292 03.8% 5725 3.5% 12017 07.3% 4529 2.8% 16546 10.1% 259037 164120 63.4 07.5 Jul19 06556 04.0% 5289 3.2% 11845 07.2% 4017 2.4% 15862 09.6% 259225 164941 63.6 07.3 Aug19 06203 03.8% 5331 3.3% 11534 07.0% 4237 2.6% 15771 09.6% 259432 164019 63.2 07.3 Sep19 05465 03.3% 4637 2.8% 10102 06.2% 3925 2.4% 14027 08.6% 259638 163943 63.1 06.5 Oct19 05510 03.3% 4412 2.7% 09922 06.0% 3961 2.4% 13883 08.4% 259845 164576 63.3 06.5 Nov19 05441 03.3% 4515 2.7% 09956 06.1% 4053 2.5% 14009 08.5% 260020 164386 63.2 06.5 Dec19 05503 03.4% 4643 2.8% 10146 06.2% 4170 2.5% 14316 08.7% 260181 164007 63.0 06.7 Jan20 06504 04.0% 5107 3.1% 11611 07.1% 4605 2.8% 16216 09.9% 259502 163497 63.0 07.7 Jul12 13400 08.6% 6837 4.3% 20237 12.9% 8218 5.3% 28455 18.2% 243354 156526 64.3 15.2 Aug12 12696 08.2% 7631 4.9% 20327 13.1% 7723 5.0% 28050 18.1% 243566 155255 63.7 14.6 Sep12 11742 07.6% 6427 4.1% 18169 11.7% 8003 5.2% 26172 16.9% 243772 155075 63.6 14.2 Oct12 11741 07.5% 6142 4.0% 17883 11.5% 7768 5.0% 25651 16.5% 243983 155779 63.8 13.9 Nov12 11404 07.4% 6495 4.2% 17899 11.6% 7898 5.0% 25797 16.6% 244174 154953 63.5 13.9 Mo/Yr Unemp Pcnt WAJb Pcnt SubTtl Pcnt InvPT Pcnt Total Prcnt CivPop LbrFrc Prtc% U-6 Display stabilization row: XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX General color-coding guidelines: This color mostly highlights the most favorable figure of it's column in the Table. This color mostly highlights the most favorable figure of it's column since 9/11, or else since the Rock-The-Vote Democrat Recession. This color highlights the worst figures in it's column in the Table, including loss of Labor Force count. Quote:The Civilian Adult Population steadily Increases, suggesting that figure is not manipulated. The Unemployment Rate after 2008 was able to be artificially less by shifting more unemployed into the Want A Job category, which Obamanomics managed to increase to over 7 Million for the only time in the BLS tables. This Jan figure (Want A Job) didn't return to within 0.1% of 2008 level until 2018, after Trump's first year. The figure of Unemployed plus Want A Job is indisputably the real Unfake Unemployment figure. The Labor Force Participation Rate steadily dropped each year until finally reversing in 2017, Trump's first year. The Want A Job count maxxed out in Aug 2012, just as Obama was proclaiming that Unemployment Rates had dropped, which he needed to get below 8.0% by October, in order to win re-election.Well, it looks like the current U6 right now is lower than every January of the past 24 years, since the creation of U-6, according to BLS figures. From 2009 to 2017, the Civilian noninstitutional Population grew by 19.343 Million. With a nominal post-9/11 Labor Participation Rate of 66%, the Labor Force would have grown by 12.766 Million. But Obama's Deep State reported that the Labor Force only grew by 5.231 Million. Labor Force is defined as all Employed + all Unemployed. So Obama would have you believe that during his 8 years, 7.5 Million extra Employ-eligible population were NOT unemployed (nor employed). Quote:The Civilian Adult Population steadily Increases, suggesting that figure is not manipulated. The Unemployment Rate after 2008 was able to be artificially less by shifting more unemployed into the Want A Job category, which Obamanomics managed to increase to over 7 Million for the only time in the BLS tables. This Jan figure (Want A Job) didn't return to within 0.1% of 2008 level until 2018, after Trump's first year. The figure of Unemployed plus Want A Job is indisputably the real Unfake Unemployment figure. The Labor Force Participation Rate steadily dropped each year until finally reversing in 2017, Trump's first year. The Want A Job count maxxed out in Aug 2012, just as Obama was proclaiming that Unemployment Rates had dropped, which he needed to get below 8.0% by October, in order to win re-election.For July 2019: The Involuntary Part-time percent matched the lowest rate on the table, from 2000. And the Participation Rate hit another high point following Obama. July and August both have the highest number of Employed in history.
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