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Thursday, January 2, 2020 10:18 AM
6IXSTRINGJACK
Thursday, January 2, 2020 11:01 AM
SECOND
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two
Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: Too bad he's not Orwell. That guy wrote books that still hold up 70 years later. This dude can't even write a book that holds up before it gets published. Do Right, Be Right. :)
Thursday, January 2, 2020 1:11 PM
SIGNYM
I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.
Quote: William Greider obituary William Greider tackled gigantic subjects: the Federal Reserve (“Secrets of the Temple,” 1987), the evaporation of American democracy (“Who Will Tell the People,” 1992), globalization (“One World Ready or Not,” 1997), society’s deformation by the military-industrial complex (“Fortress America,” 1998), whether we can reinvent the U.S. economy (“The Soul of Capitalism,” 2003), and what to do when the people running this country seem determined to destroy it (“Come Home, America,” 2009).
Quote: Each of these books is still completely relevant — something that almost never can be said about aging political writing. Pick up, say, “Game Change,” the bestseller by John Heilemann and Mark Halperin about the 2008 election, and you’ll find it’s now as fascinating as gossip about the Harding administration. Greider pulled this off because he didn’t care about the daily political garbage tornado. Instead, his focus was always on the huge subterranean battles that actually determine our lives, i.e., capital vs. labor, creditors vs. debtors, marketing vs. people, and capitalism vs. democracy.
Thursday, January 2, 2020 3:16 PM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: YOU, SECOND, should take a lesson from him! Stop adding to the garbage tornado! TRUMP is NOT ... I repeat NOT ... the source of our problems, and getting rid of him won't solve them! Our problems are decades in the making, rooted in our collective failure to tackle Big Thoughts and question our Big ASSumptions. What are our problems? What are our interests? How did we get here? What is right and what is wrong? How can we fix things? How about making a New Year's resolution, SECOND? Kill that snake in your head and start thinking straight?
Thursday, January 2, 2020 4:14 PM
1KIKI
Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.
Thursday, January 2, 2020 7:12 PM
Quote:Originally posted by 1KIKI: And if democrats don't do anything different, how are they any better? You've never answered that SECOND, even though I've posted it hundreds of times. You seem to like history, so here's some history. In the entire history of the democratic party, they've not once altered the course of the US contribution to global warming. They've not done it when they controlled the WH, or when they've controlled one House of Congress, or both Houses of Congress, or any two out of the three, or all three together. That's their history. Based on their history, why should I expect anything different from them in the future?
Thursday, January 2, 2020 8:18 PM
Thursday, January 2, 2020 9:12 PM
Quote:Originally posted by 1KIKI: And if democrats don't do anything different, how are they any better?
Thursday, January 2, 2020 9:51 PM
Quote:There is a list of bills from Democrats that have gone to the Senate only to die very quietly.
Friday, January 3, 2020 6:10 AM
Quote:Originally posted by 1KIKI: Quote:There is a list of bills from Democrats that have gone to the Senate only to die very quietly. Name one - specifically. Tell me how EXACTLY that bill is going to do the job.
Friday, January 3, 2020 3:01 PM
Saturday, January 4, 2020 10:03 AM
THG
Quote:Originally posted by 1KIKI: Quote:There is a list of bills from Democrats that have gone to the Senate only to die very quietly. Name one - specifically. Tell me how EXACTLY that bill is going to do the job. Are there - oh - increments of progress written in? Assignment of departments to calculate cost effectiveness? Granting of authority? Anything at all to indicate it's a serious bill and not just and empty position statement like the DNC platform was? I'll wait. And - as long as I'm here, let me just indulge in a little bit of SLOPPY snark on you. You know, if you were able to run your life in any successful way, you'd understand that the way to bring this debate to a definitive close is to show me the democrats have DONE SOMETHING EFFECTIVE in any one of those 30+ years to address global warming, But you're a loser in life, and you'll never be able to grasp what it means to be working from facts. And if democrats don't do anything different, how are they any better?
Quote:Originally posted by 1kiki: If Trump was president, he'd have congressional opposition from BOTH the democrats AND the republicans. He would literally not be able to get anything done. The idea of how dysfunctional his term would be is funny! That's all. I didn't want to clutter up anyone else's thread. Carry on. http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=60432
Wednesday, January 8, 2020 8:04 AM
Thursday, January 9, 2020 1:39 PM
Thursday, January 9, 2020 8:30 PM
Quote:Originally posted by second: We swing into the clubhouse dining room. Larry David seats himself at the one spot of a four-top not made up with silverware, near a huge TV showing coverage of the Trump impeachment hearings. “Oh, yeah, yeah,” he shouts sarcastically at the screen when the president appears to make a statement. “Stop lying, you asshole!” He is aware that in the wealthy precincts of the club there are sometimes other members nearby who feel differently about the administration. “I talk louder on purpose when they're around,” he says. “To me, if somebody bought Fox News, I would feel the same as I felt when the Berlin Wall came down. That feeling of euphoria, like the world was going to change.” More at www.gq.com/story/larry-david-cover-profile-february-2020 The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
Thursday, January 9, 2020 9:41 PM
Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: Quote:Originally posted by second: We swing into the clubhouse dining room. Larry David seats himself at the one spot of a four-top not made up with silverware, near a huge TV showing coverage of the Trump impeachment hearings. “Oh, yeah, yeah,” he shouts sarcastically at the screen when the president appears to make a statement. “Stop lying, you asshole!” He is aware that in the wealthy precincts of the club there are sometimes other members nearby who feel differently about the administration. “I talk louder on purpose when they're around,” he says. “To me, if somebody bought Fox News, I would feel the same as I felt when the Berlin Wall came down. That feeling of euphoria, like the world was going to change.” More at www.gq.com/story/larry-david-cover-profile-february-2020 The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly It's owned by Liberals now. Is Larry David a secret Trump supporter, or is he just stupid? Do Right, Be Right. :)
Thursday, January 9, 2020 11:09 PM
Quote:Originally posted by second: Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: Quote:Originally posted by second: We swing into the clubhouse dining room. Larry David seats himself at the one spot of a four-top not made up with silverware, near a huge TV showing coverage of the Trump impeachment hearings. “Oh, yeah, yeah,” he shouts sarcastically at the screen when the president appears to make a statement. “Stop lying, you asshole!” He is aware that in the wealthy precincts of the club there are sometimes other members nearby who feel differently about the administration. “I talk louder on purpose when they're around,” he says. “To me, if somebody bought Fox News, I would feel the same as I felt when the Berlin Wall came down. That feeling of euphoria, like the world was going to change.” More at www.gq.com/story/larry-david-cover-profile-february-2020 The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly It's owned by Liberals now. Is Larry David a secret Trump supporter, or is he just stupid? Do Right, Be Right. :)Fox News is NOT owned by Disney. I presume Disney is the liberals you think own Fox News. www.foxnews.com/entertainment/fox-corporation-becomes-stand-alone-company-as-disney-deal-set-to-close The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
Quote:Lachlan Murdoch takes control of Fox Corp. But how will he deal with President Trump?
Friday, January 10, 2020 6:05 AM
Friday, January 10, 2020 8:41 AM
Saturday, January 11, 2020 5:30 AM
Saturday, January 11, 2020 7:05 AM
Sunday, January 12, 2020 7:05 AM
Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: I hope you're ready to live without A/C when the next Democrat president gets in there and ratifies it for you in 2024. I've been doing it for years. It's not that bad, most of the time. This will be entertaining. Do Right, Be Right. :)
Sunday, January 12, 2020 7:06 AM
Sunday, January 12, 2020 8:37 AM
Quote:Originally posted by second: Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: I hope you're ready to live without A/C when the next Democrat president gets in there and ratifies it for you in 2024. I've been doing it for years. It's not that bad, most of the time. This will be entertaining. Do Right, Be Right. :)You didn't bother to click on the article, did you? There are alternatives to hydrofluorocarbons that are NOT 1,000,000 times worse greenhouse gases than CO2. Even CO2 can be used as a refrigerant for air-conditioning. But it is nice to know that as a Trump voter you gave another example of having very little useful knowledge of what you have strong opinions about. Vote Trump in 2020! He will look after you! (He sure does look after people like me, but I won't vote Trump.) HFCs: Super Greenhouse Gases https://eia-global.org/campaigns/Climate/what-are-hydrofluorocarbons The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
Sunday, January 12, 2020 9:35 AM
Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: Why would I click on the article? You consistently put articles on the board and you never once take the time to put them in quotes and it looks as though you're trying to pass them off as your own work. Not one single thing you plagiarized in your post had anything to do with alternatives. It was all "Orange Man Bad", so coming from the source I just assumed that was the gist of the article, since that's the only thing that's been on your mind for three years. So if there's this magic stuff that works so well, why aren't we already using it. It's not Trump's fault. It's probably because it doesn't work. Do Right, Be Right. :)
Sunday, January 12, 2020 9:39 AM
Quote:Originally posted by second: Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: Why would I click on the article? You consistently put articles on the board and you never once take the time to put them in quotes and it looks as though you're trying to pass them off as your own work. Not one single thing you plagiarized in your post had anything to do with alternatives. It was all "Orange Man Bad", so coming from the source I just assumed that was the gist of the article, since that's the only thing that's been on your mind for three years. So if there's this magic stuff that works so well, why aren't we already using it. It's not Trump's fault. It's probably because it doesn't work. Do Right, Be Right. :)The average house air conditioner is not using the alternatives to hydrofluorocarbon refrigerants because HFCs are $1.00 cheaper per pound. In the industry I worked in for the first 30 years of my career, petrochemicals, we didn't go for cheap, we used the best. I swear to God, 6ix, you are such a simpleton with delusions about your moral superiority and your work ethic. But that makes you the same as every other Trump voter I know. Keep on believing your falsehoods, you big whinny baby. That reminds me of Trump. I'll checked on him. What is he doing this hour? He is doing exactly what you do all the time: complementing himself as superior to any Democrat. What an asshole he is. Please vote for him, 6ix. I tripled my net worth in the first 3 years of Trump. If he goes 8 years, I'll be a multi-billionaire, but I sure won't vote for that creepy dummy. https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1216365925701705730 The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
Sunday, January 12, 2020 9:46 AM
Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: Who's whining? You're supposedly the richest guy on the board that's raking in millions of extra tax breaks right now and you're the biggest crybaby here. If you hate Texas so much, fucking move already. We all know how much Nilbog hates where she lives, but she doesn't have a billion dollars to move to California where she thinks she'd be a lot happier. Supposedly, you do. Stop wasting all your time on this board and enjoy some of that money. Maybe do a few nice things for people with it so you don't have to feel so guilty that you have it. Do Right, Be Right. :)
Sunday, January 12, 2020 10:01 AM
Quote:Originally posted by second: Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: Who's whining? You're supposedly the richest guy on the board that's raking in millions of extra tax breaks right now and you're the biggest crybaby here. If you hate Texas so much, fucking move already. We all know how much Nilbog hates where she lives, but she doesn't have a billion dollars to move to California where she thinks she'd be a lot happier. Supposedly, you do. Stop wasting all your time on this board and enjoy some of that money. Maybe do a few nice things for people with it so you don't have to feel so guilty that you have it. Do Right, Be Right. :)I love Texas! No income taxes. No rules for people like me. Republican politicians kissing my ass because I'm rich. What is not to like? The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
Sunday, January 12, 2020 10:47 AM
Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: Your life sounds "amazing". You should probably stop bitching all of the time and maybe you'll enjoy it more. Do Right, Be Right. :)
Tuesday, January 14, 2020 6:29 AM
Quote:Originally posted by 1KIKI: But you're a loser in life, and you'll never be able to grasp what it means to be working from facts. And if democrats don't do anything different, how are they any better?
Tuesday, January 14, 2020 9:09 AM
Tuesday, January 14, 2020 9:52 AM
Quote:Originally posted by THGRRI: If you meet the requirements ( slightly to the right, middle and liberal ) and you have an interest in starting a discussion say so.
Tuesday, January 14, 2020 9:59 AM
Quote:Originally posted by second: Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: Your life sounds "amazing". You should probably stop bitching all of the time and maybe you'll enjoy it more. Do Right, Be Right. :)You mistake "bitching" for not enjoying myself. I like Republicans (but only the rich ones) because we share values. I dislike Trump because he lives up to a poor person's stereotype of a rich person. He is the ultimate clown. The poor people who defend Trump are even funnier than he is. I'm laughing at their delusions about their "moral" superiority and their irreplaceable place in the Texas economy. They think they are essential. They are stupid to believe it. Stupid people aren't paid well and a very low Federal minimum wage guarantees things will stay that way for them, until they get a clue. I expect most won't support raising the minimum. Republican Views on the Minimum Wage www.republicanviews.org/republican-views-on-minimum-wage/ The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
Tuesday, January 14, 2020 10:32 AM
Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: That's cool. At least we know that you enjoy yourself by being an awful person. Do Right, Be Right. :)
Tuesday, January 14, 2020 10:45 AM
Quote:Originally posted by second: Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: That's cool. At least we know that you enjoy yourself by being an awful person. 6ix, are you feeling discriminated against? Many Trump voters do. At least the ones not rich: Polls find that 55 percent of voters disapprove of the job he is doing, which roughly coincides with the percentage of voters who say he is ripping the country apart, and does not respect minorities. To be blunt, they think he’s a bigot and they don’t like a bigot as their president.
Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: That's cool. At least we know that you enjoy yourself by being an awful person.
Wednesday, January 15, 2020 7:53 AM
Wednesday, January 15, 2020 10:16 AM
Quote:Originally posted by second: Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: That's cool. At least we know that you enjoy yourself by being an awful person. Do Right, Be Right. :)6ix, are you feeling discriminated against? Many Trump voters do. At least the ones not rich: Polls find that 55 percent of voters disapprove of the job he is doing, which roughly coincides with the percentage of voters who say he is ripping the country apart, and does not respect minorities. To be blunt, they think he’s a bigot and they don’t like a bigot as their president.
Wednesday, January 15, 2020 1:27 PM
Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: #DemDebatesSoWhite Do Right, Be Right. :)
Wednesday, January 15, 2020 3:03 PM
Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: Quote:Originally posted by second: Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: That's cool. At least we know that you enjoy yourself by being an awful person. Do Right, Be Right. :)6ix, are you feeling discriminated against? Many Trump voters do. At least the ones not rich: Polls find that 55 percent of voters disapprove of the job he is doing, which roughly coincides with the percentage of voters who say he is ripping the country apart, and does not respect minorities. To be blunt, they think he’s a bigot and they don’t like a bigot as their president. Uh huh. #DemDebatesSoWhite Do Right, Be Right. :)
Quote:Originally posted by second: Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: Uh huh. #DemDebatesSoWhite Do Right, Be Right. :)The Debates rules are biased against Wealth, not skin color; for the 7th debate, Bloomberg met polling criteria but not the fundraising criterion, as he is not currently asking for donations. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_Democratic_Party_presidential_debates#Qualification_7 Why didn’t Cory Booker catch on? It was not because he is black. www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2020/1/13/21063982/democratic-primary-2020-cory-booker-drops-out On Friday, I sat down with Sen. Cory Booker for 90 minutes. It was, simultaneously, one of the most inspiring and maddening interviews I’ve done with a presidential candidate. Inspiring because there is a moral radicalism and spiritual generosity to Booker’s politics that set him apart from other politicians. Maddening because when Booker turns his politics outward, they lose clarity. He shies away from drawing bright lines, his answers double back to blur out potential offense. In showing his love, he muddles his message. There is a moral radicalism to the way Cory Booker lives out his politics. He lived for years in a housing project. He leads hunger strikes. He challenges political machines. He’s a vegan. He has a more ambitious policy vision than is often discussed, but beneath that is a far more radical ethical vision than he gets credit for. The problem is that while he’s comfortable saying what that ethical vision demands of him, he’s very uncomfortable saying what it demands of the rest of us. In this conversation, I wanted Booker to risk my discomfort. And in his answers, I think you can hear both the remarkable promise of Booker’s politics and some of the challenges that have held back his campaign. One exchange particularly stood out to me. I was pressing Booker on the way the current political moment rewards confrontation with attention and sharp line-drawing with support. Booker replied: Barack Obama, God bless him, he played by the Queen’s rules, for lack of a better way of putting it. This president [Trump] is breaking norms and traditions every day to demean, distract, divide, degrade. If I’m the president of the United States, I’m not playing by the Queen’s rules. I will do things from that office people do not expect. Okay, I asked. Like what? Booker wouldn’t say. “I’m not going to do that because part of it is the element of surprise,” he replied. To that I reply "BULLSHIT! I'm not voting you." The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: Uh huh. #DemDebatesSoWhite Do Right, Be Right. :)
Thursday, January 16, 2020 12:38 PM
Friday, January 17, 2020 8:13 AM
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Monday, January 20, 2020 7:00 AM
Tuesday, January 21, 2020 11:02 AM
Tuesday, January 21, 2020 11:30 AM
Quote:Originally posted by second: Immunotherapy — which expanded into the market in 2015 — had only limited effects on the drop in overall cancer mortality. Much bigger drops in US cancer mortality would come from a fairer society. The American Cancer Society estimates that, in 2014, 59% of lung-cancer deaths observed in people aged 25–74 could have been averted by eliminating socio-economic disparities. The data do make it clear that the majority of our most effective solutions will be found outside the cabinet of cutting-edge medicines. That means we need to create strategies to treat hypertension, end the use of tobacco products, dismantle policies that promote obesity and use of environmental carcinogens, encourage physical activity and reduce levels of carcinogens in the environment. More effective drugs and sophisticated treatments that work would be nice. But what we really need is that the person being treated did not have cancer at all. Our public policy is a series of self-inflicted wounds. The current US administration has allowed loopholes that let the known carcinogen asbestos remain in use. It has failed to improve standards for airborne particulate pollution, clearly linked to higher rates of diseases and death. It reversed a decision to ban a pesticide, chlorpyrifos, associated with impaired childhood brain development, and atrazine, linked to leukaemia. We, as a society, are not doing what it takes to maximize our health. We are prioritizing medications that cost US$100,000 a year or more, and at the same time are loosening restrictions on environmental pollution. Both of these policies have one thing in common: they enhance corporate profits. It will take a realignment of public policy to make sure that we pursue systems that instead prioritize health. More at www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-00116-2 The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
Tuesday, January 21, 2020 11:36 AM
CAPTAINCRUNCH
... stay crunchy...
Quote:Originally posted by second: Immunotherapy — which expanded into the market in 2015 — had only limited effects on the drop in overall cancer mortality. Much bigger drops in US cancer mortality would come from a fairer society. The American Cancer Society estimates that, in 2014, 59% of lung-cancer deaths observed in people aged 25–74 could have been averted by eliminating socio-economic disparities. The data do make it clear that the majority of our most effective solutions will be found outside the cabinet of cutting-edge medicines. That means we need to create strategies to treat hypertension, end the use of tobacco products, dismantle policies that promote obesity and use of environmental carcinogens, encourage physical activity and reduce levels of carcinogens in the environment. More effective drugs and sophisticated treatments that work would be nice. But what we really need is that the person being treated did not have cancer at all. Our public policy is a series of self-inflicted wounds. The current US administration has allowed loopholes that let the known carcinogen asbestos remain in use. It has failed to improve standards for airborne particulate pollution, clearly linked to higher rates of diseases and death. It reversed a decision to ban a pesticide, chlorpyrifos, associated with impaired childhood brain development, and atrazine, linked to leukaemia. We, as a society, are not doing what it takes to maximize our health. We are prioritizing medications that cost US$100,000 a year or more, and at the same time are loosening restrictions on environmental pollution. Both of these policies have one thing in common: they enhance corporate profits. It will take a realignment of public policy to make sure that we pursue systems that instead prioritize health. More at www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-00116-2
Wednesday, January 22, 2020 7:18 AM
Wednesday, January 22, 2020 8:34 AM
Quote:Dutch patients face higher financial barriers to care than their peers in more socialized systems, and spending has accelerated in recent years, trends the critics blame on the privatized market. Still, for now, the indicators seem undeniable...
Wednesday, January 22, 2020 9:11 AM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: The Dutch had to make several important adjustments in order to force the continued existence of private insurance.
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