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Friday, December 13, 2019 10:26 AM
6IXSTRINGJACK
Quote:Originally posted by second: What does it mean for US Democratic Presidential candidates that UK Labor candidate Jeremy Corbyn led Labor to its biggest defeat in decades? For those of you who haven’t been following closely, Corbyn is no neoliberal shill. He is an unabashed lefty socialist who campaigned on an unabashed lefty socialist platform. No triangulating or “Tory lite” for him. He was out to prove that Labor could win by promising the voters a soaring lefty agenda filled with taxing the rich, taking back control of privatized industries, free college, huge infrastructure spending, more money for health care, and so forth. The result was a mind-boggling defeat. So what does this tell us about American presidential candidates like Elizabeth Warren and Bernie Sanders? Corbyn lost because he was a hard left candidate, and the same thing will happen if Democrats nominate one of their own. The American and British electorates have voted quite similarly for the past several decades, putting in office Reagan-Clinton-Bush-Obama-Trump as against Thatcher-Blair-Cameron-Boris Johnson. Given the similarities between Boris Johnson and Trump, as well as the obvious salience of immigration politics in both countries, I’d be reluctant to blow off the British results as nothing much for US Democrats to worry about. More at www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2019/12/too-bad-about-the-brits-but-what-does-it-mean-for-us/ The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
Quote:What does it mean for US Democratic Presidential candidates that UK Labor candidate Jeremy Corbyn led Labor to its biggest defeat in decades?
Quote:The result was a mind-boggling defeat.
Quote:I’d be reluctant to blow off the British results as nothing much for US Democrats to worry about.
Friday, December 13, 2019 10:44 AM
Quote:The actor, 81, sat down with his Meet Joe Black and Legends of the Fall co-star for a lengthy chat for Interview magazine ahead of the release of his new Netflix film The Two Popes, when he called those in the acting profession “stupid”. He said: “People ask me questions about present situations in life, and I say, ‘I don’t know, I’m just an actor. I don’t have any opinions. Actors are pretty stupid. My opinion is not worth anything. There’s no controversy for me, so don’t engage me in it, because I’m not going to participate’.”
Friday, December 13, 2019 10:46 AM
Friday, December 13, 2019 11:03 AM
SECOND
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two
Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: The defeat wasn't mind-boggling. It was easy to predict. Quote:I’d be reluctant to blow off the British results as nothing much for US Democrats to worry about. As well you should. Do Right, Be Right. :)
Friday, December 13, 2019 11:25 AM
Quote:Originally posted by second: Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: The defeat wasn't mind-boggling. It was easy to predict. Quote:I’d be reluctant to blow off the British results as nothing much for US Democrats to worry about. As well you should. Do Right, Be Right. :)You don't remember the 1972 election: Nixon versus George McGovern. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_McGovern#1972_presidential_campaign McGovern ran on a platform that advocated withdrawal from the Vietnam War, the only correct move according to people who weren't liars or ignorant about military strategy. The Vietnam War was the biggest, most obvious fiasco in history, and yet voters let it run. They were thinking that Peace with Honor was just around the corner in Vietnam. That was NOT true. More than half of all voters in 1972 and more than half today can't understand a fiasco like Vietnam, nor can they understand a fiasco like Afghanistan, nor global warming, nor the Crash of 2008, nor the American healthcare system. The vast majority of voters will reject Presidential candidates such as McGovern, who actually knew in detail how things need to be changed for the better. Instead, they vote for hardcore liars like Nixon who knew nothing. The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
Friday, December 13, 2019 11:28 AM
SIGNYM
I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.
Quote:Originally posted by second: What does it mean for US Democratic Presidential candidates that UK Labor candidate Jeremy Corbyn led Labor to its biggest defeat in decades? For those of you who haven’t been following closely, Corbyn is no neoliberal shill. He is an unabashed lefty socialist who campaigned on an unabashed lefty socialist platform. No triangulating or “Tory lite” for him. He was out to prove that Labor could win by promising the voters a soaring lefty agenda filled with taxing the rich, taking back control of privatized industries, free college, huge infrastructure spending, more money for health care, and so forth. The result was a mind-boggling defeat. So what does this tell us about American presidential candidates like Elizabeth Warren and Bernie Sanders? Corbyn lost because he was a hard left candidate, and the same thing will happen if Democrats nominate one of their own. The American and British electorates have voted quite similarly for the past several decades, putting in office Reagan-Clinton-Bush-Obama-Trump as against Thatcher-Blair-Cameron-Boris Johnson. Given the similarities between Boris Johnson and Trump, as well as the obvious salience of immigration politics in both countries, I’d be reluctant to blow off the British results as nothing much for US Democrats to worry about.
Saturday, December 14, 2019 9:11 AM
Sunday, December 15, 2019 6:27 AM
Sunday, December 15, 2019 7:20 AM
Sunday, December 15, 2019 10:55 AM
Sunday, December 15, 2019 10:57 AM
Sunday, December 15, 2019 11:16 AM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: This is something of a misunderstanding of Keynesianism. He wasn't an advocate of wealth redistribution or even government spending as much as increasing the money supply thru lowered interest rates. It was FDR's economic advisor who believed in "pump priming" thru government spending on public works.
Sunday, December 15, 2019 1:42 PM
Quote:Originally posted by second: Bankston also filed a 49-page motion asking state District Judge Scott Jenkins, who is presiding over four Sandy Hook suits, to order a default judgment holding Jones and InfoWars liable without even requiring a jury trial, except to determine the size of the damages, as a consequence of what he contends is their flagrant refusal or inability to seriously answer questions.
Sunday, December 15, 2019 4:11 PM
Sunday, December 15, 2019 4:16 PM
1KIKI
Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.
Sunday, December 15, 2019 4:17 PM
Sunday, December 15, 2019 9:29 PM
Quote:Originally posted by 1KIKI: You mistake dimocrits' words for actions. Words don't matter. They're just so much - hot air. HA HA! And let me point out for at least the 30th time, the only president who measurably reduced greenhouse gas emissions wasn't Obama. It was dubya, and he did by crashing the economy. And btw, if you think anybody on the dimocrtitc campaign trail is going to measurably change our emissions, yer looney.* And if democrats don't do anything different, how are they any better? * Well, OK - Sanders and Gabbard might. But the dimocratic apparatus is going to be passive aggressive about it the whole way, where they wouldn't be actively torpedoing them, like it is on the campaign trail.
Monday, December 16, 2019 7:17 AM
Thursday, December 19, 2019 7:27 AM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: Quote:Originally posted by 1KIKI: You mistake dimocrits' words for actions. Words don't matter. They're just so much - hot air. HA HA! And let me point out for at least the 30th time, the only president who measurably reduced greenhouse gas emissions wasn't Obama. It was dubya, and he did by crashing the economy. And btw, if you think anybody on the dimocrtitc campaign trail is going to measurably change our emissions, yer looney.* And if democrats don't do anything different, how are they any better? * Well, OK - Sanders and Gabbard might. But the dimocratic apparatus is going to be passive aggressive about it the whole way, where they wouldn't be actively torpedoing them, like it is on the campaign trail. What I think is really funny is that SECOND - who pretends to be all about "the numbers" - is suddenly number-averse when it comes to the dimocrat's record, in numbers. Wealth inequality by the numbers? Something that SECOND strenuously avoids! Carbon dioxide emissions, by the numbers? MORE numbers that SECOND avoids! Budget deficit? Homelessness? Manufacturing output? EVEN MORE numbers that SECOND avoids! It seems to me that the person who avoids looking at numbers (because they tell him a story that doesn't fit his narrative) is SECOND.
Thursday, December 19, 2019 8:11 AM
JO753
rezident owtsidr
Thursday, December 19, 2019 8:54 AM
Quote:Originally posted by JO753: Soundz like a great show! I will woc it. ---------------------------- DUZ XaT SEM RiT TQ YQ? - Jubal Early http://www.7532020.com .
Friday, December 20, 2019 7:49 AM
Saturday, December 21, 2019 8:30 AM
Saturday, December 21, 2019 10:18 AM
Sunday, December 22, 2019 11:14 AM
Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: Uh huh. Can you whiny little bitches possibly cry anymore? Do Right, Be Right. :)
Sunday, December 22, 2019 12:04 PM
Quote:SIX: Uh huh.Can you whiny little bitches possibly cry anymore? SECONDRATE, WITH HIS USUAL POO: Two years ago, US president Donald Trump signed into law a sweeping tax cut dubbed “a mighty fine Christmas gift.” The law’s opponents insisted it was a massive giveaway to the super rich — one that would make the federal deficit skyrocket. Who was right? The early data doesn’t look good for Trump’s top legislative achievement. “We saw a short-term boost to output and investment that really seems to have largely dissipated. GDP is growing more slowly and investment is actually shrinking over the past two quarters,” said Ben Page, an economist at the non-partisan Urban-Brookings Tax Policy Center. “There’s almost no evidence for a big inflow of foreign capital.” In the meantime, the government now estimates it will lose $600 billion more in tax revenues than it initially thought, bringing the cut’s total cost to $1.6 trillion. Boosting the deficit while the economy is growing and at a late stage in its cycle is irresponsible, Page argues. “Usually at the peak of the economic cycle, that should be when deficits are at their lowest,” he said. “The economy is not going to grow forever, and at that point deficits will boom…stimulus policy will be needed. That’s one of the worries about running those deficits when times are relatively good.” Big companies are having a field day — with FedEx coming to exemplify corporate America’s response to the cut. The firm’s CEO lobbied hard for the bill on the premise that mass investment by businesses would follow. It then became one of 91 companies, including Amazon and IBM, whose effective tax rates dropped to zero in 2018 — in Fedex’s case, from 34% the year before. The company then cut its capital spending in both 2018 and 2019. Even those who argued for a big cut are struggling to find enthusiasm for the law. “I don’t think I’m disappointed — I’m just saying don’t give up on the TCJA just yet,” said Aparna Mathur, an economist at the conservative American Enterprise Institute. She argued it could take 5 to 7 years before seeing its full effects. Or maybe never will Trump’s promised benefits appear. https://qz.com/1769421/
Tuesday, December 24, 2019 6:57 AM
Tuesday, December 24, 2019 12:44 PM
Wednesday, December 25, 2019 7:42 AM
Thursday, December 26, 2019 9:14 AM
Thursday, December 26, 2019 10:42 AM
CAPTAINCRUNCH
... stay crunchy...
Quote:Originally posted by second: The Cruelty Is the Point It is not just that the perpetrators of this cruelty enjoy it; it is that they enjoy it with one another. Their shared laughter at the suffering of others is an adhesive that binds them to one another, and to Trump. Taking joy in that suffering is more human than most would like to admit. Somewhere on the wide spectrum between adolescent teasing and the smiling white men in the lynching photographs are the Trump supporters whose community is built by rejoicing in the anguish of those they see as unlike them, who have found in their shared cruelty an answer to the loneliness and atomization of modern life. More at www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2018/10/the-cruelty-is-the-point/572104/
Friday, December 27, 2019 6:24 AM
Saturday, December 28, 2019 9:18 AM
Monday, December 30, 2019 6:03 AM
Monday, December 30, 2019 8:10 AM
Quote:Originally posted by captaincrunch: Quote:Originally posted by second: The Cruelty Is the Point It is not just that the perpetrators of this cruelty enjoy it; it is that they enjoy it with one another. Their shared laughter at the suffering of others is an adhesive that binds them to one another, and to Trump. Taking joy in that suffering is more human than most would like to admit. Somewhere on the wide spectrum between adolescent teasing and the smiling white men in the lynching photographs are the Trump supporters whose community is built by rejoicing in the anguish of those they see as unlike them, who have found in their shared cruelty an answer to the loneliness and atomization of modern life. More at www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2018/10/the-cruelty-is-the-point/572104/ Wow and Damn - so well written and so accurate. I am reminded of that quick video clip of Trump with Epstein at a party as they discussed women dancing. It was very buddy buddy, kids having a laugh at the expense of others. Of course that's not where those thoughts end. Reducing people to things for your amusement while feeling completely untouchable and unrepentant, that is got to be one heck of a power trip. I am also reminded of another Atlantic writer that summarized a lot of Putin's behavior as "an immature sense of masculinity." You can see that in Trump supporters and political allies, so it's not hard to see why Trump and Putin get along so well.
Monday, December 30, 2019 8:24 AM
Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: Uh huh. That's completely one sided. lol Watch any of the Antifa protests on the streets of Portland or the college campus riots and tell me who's enjoying the suffering of others. Hell, just look at Wishy's posts here. No need to leave your house. Do Right, Be Right. :)
Monday, December 30, 2019 10:46 AM
Quote:Originally posted by second: Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: Uh huh. That's completely one sided. lol Watch any of the Antifa protests on the streets of Portland or the college campus riots and tell me who's enjoying the suffering of others. Hell, just look at Wishy's posts here. No need to leave your house. Do Right, Be Right. :)You must not hang out with Trump lovers for hours, make that days, at a time like I do. (I am an undercover Democrat.) The conversations about killing queers, niggers, Mexskins and that fuckin' Nancy Pelosi I find highly entertaining. And please don't mention Jew Soros because then the talk gets really angry and crazy. (I'll start laughing at how out-of-their-minds crazy these Trump lovers are and that will ruin my cover.) But that is how East Texas Trump lovers are. "Poll: Almost a third of US voters think a second civil war is coming soon" June 2018 www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/onpolitics/2018/06/27/civil-war-likely-voters-say-rasmussen-poll/740731002/ The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
Monday, December 30, 2019 12:30 PM
Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: OK. Sure. When, exactly, are you an undercover Democrat? Would it be when you are firing all of your non-Democrat employees for their political beliefs? Nobody I know goes around talking about wishing death on other people, let alone committing the act themselves. Honestly, the only two that I know who do that are right here in the RWED. It's you and Wishy. Do Right, Be Right. :)
Monday, December 30, 2019 10:42 PM
Quote:Originally posted by second: Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: OK. Sure. When, exactly, are you an undercover Democrat? Would it be when you are firing all of your non-Democrat employees for their political beliefs? Nobody I know goes around talking about wishing death on other people, let alone committing the act themselves. Honestly, the only two that I know who do that are right here in the RWED. It's you and Wishy. Do Right, Be Right. :)It is impossible to get to know a Trump lover well if you are reminding them that they are dishonest, lazy ignoramuses with far too many misunderstandings about simple things such as smoking causes cancer and drinking causes liver damage and adultery causes divorce and stealing from me will get them a felony conviction. Maybe Trump lovers you know aren't as bad as the ones I know, the ones who believe that if they haven't been convicted they haven't done anything wrong, kind of like Dear Donald Trump. The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
Tuesday, December 31, 2019 12:15 AM
Tuesday, December 31, 2019 12:27 AM
Tuesday, December 31, 2019 7:23 AM
Tuesday, December 31, 2019 9:12 AM
Quote:Originally posted by second: What Should The Distribution Of Wealth Be? A 2011 survey by Michael Norton and Dan Ariely, of Harvard’s Business School, found that the average American thinks the richest 25% of Americans own 59% of the wealth, while the bottom fifth owns 9%. In fact, the richest 20% own 84% of the wealth, and the bottom 40% controls only 0.3%.
Tuesday, December 31, 2019 10:00 AM
Wednesday, January 1, 2020 8:28 AM
Wednesday, January 1, 2020 9:26 AM
Quote:Originally posted by second: 6ix, "Preferential Attachment" (intuitively, "the rich get richer" or "success breeds success") fits the data describing wealth inequality far better than Zipf's Law. And the math for preferential attachment is simpler than Zipf's Law. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Preferential_attachment Also see the "Matthew Effect", a term coined by sociologist Robert K. Merton in 1968. Its name is from the Parable of the Talents in the biblical Gospel of Matthew. One person invested money and another hid his in a hole in the ground. The one who invested was praised and became wealthy while the one who dug a hole had his money taken away. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matthew_effect The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
Wednesday, January 1, 2020 9:38 AM
Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: The math might be easier, and in the case of money specifically it might explain the causality of why, but Zipf's law can be applied almost universally to any situation. Do Right, Be Right. :)
Wednesday, January 1, 2020 10:16 AM
Thursday, January 2, 2020 6:06 AM
Thursday, January 2, 2020 9:17 AM
Quote:But then Trump started fucking with N Korea, here, so how scary can my scenario be? He keeps topping me, but I think I can handle it in rewrite. And if there’s a nuclear war, at least I won’t have to turn in the manuscript! . . . Crazy times, Bill
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