Countdown Clock to Trumps impeachment " STARTS" by THGRRI

Trump wants to execute the whistleblower and all that assisted him/her. Sick, just sick.

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Friday, September 27, 2019 10:03 AM

The whistleblower complaint and the cover up: Who is complicit?

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Friday, September 27, 2019 10:16 AM

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Originally posted by THG:
Trump wants to execute the whistleblower and all that assisted him/her. Sick, just sick.

T

That's really funny, because he's talking about himself.

C'mon dude. We all know that Trump was the whistleblower.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Friday, September 27, 2019 12:44 PM

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

That's really funny, because he's talking about himself.

C'mon dude. We all know that Trump was the whistleblower.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

Trump asked the Ukrainian President to do something about CrowdStrike, but it has always been in California. He asked about the DNC server, but it has always been in Washington, DC. And Trump has the story about Joe Biden as mixed up as CrowdStrike and the server. Indict Trump for being stupid! The details of how mixed up Trump's brain is are here:
https://theintercept.com/2019/09/26/donald-trump-wants-ukraines-presid
ent-probe-conspiracy-theories-democrats/

You know what is stupider? Trump thinks the Whistleblower law is illegal.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whistleblower_Protection_Act

Trump's tweets are getting dumber:
The Ukraine scandal seems to be making Trump’s tweets even more unhinged.
www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2019/9/27/20886829/liddle-adam-schiff-
trump-tweet-hyphen-apostrophe
The article analyzes the differences between what Trump tweeted today and what he probably meant. His brain is unraveling, perhaps from either medication or lack of sleep.

You might ask, “How did we get here?” As is usually the case, the warning signs were there all along. Maybe we missed them. Worse yet, maybe we saw them and were powerless to stop. Either way, we’re screwed.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Friday, September 27, 2019 2:15 PM

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Originally posted by JO753:
I want to go on record that this latest Trump skandl looks like another distraction.

But its so big, impeachment big, that I wonder wut it coud be distracting from.

Anybody keeping an eye on Fort Knox?

Bet not JO. Still, this is a major fuck up by Trump. Fact, Trump is still colluding and threatening foreign governments in an attempt to influence "sully" our elections. Key word being STILL.

T

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Friday, September 27, 2019 2:41 PM

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

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Originally posted by THG:

Bet not JO. Still, this is a major fuck up by Trump. Fact, Trump is still colluding and threatening foreign governments in an attempt to influence "sully" our elections. Key word being STILL.

T

Texas Republican voters do not think Trump fucked up. It is right, and it is a GOP President's right (but not a Democratic President's) to use Federal money in order to get cooperation from Ukraine to reelect Trump. What most GOP voters think is right is scandalous. Trump is merely following and is very conscious of what his voters will approve of. With them, his rating is going up and up, right now, today.
https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/trump-approval-ratings/

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Friday, September 27, 2019 3:38 PM

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Originally posted by second:
Quote:
Originally posted by THG:

Bet not JO. Still, this is a major fuck up by Trump. Fact, Trump is still colluding and threatening foreign governments in an attempt to influence "sully" our elections. Key word being STILL.

T
Texas Republican voters do not think Trump fucked up. It is right, and it is a GOP President's right (but not a Democratic President's) to use Federal money in order to get cooperation from Ukraine to reelect Trump. What most GOP voters think is right is scandalous. Trump is merely following and is very conscious of what his voters will approve of. With them, his rating is going up and up, right now, today.
https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/trump-approval-ratings/

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

I believe differently second. I think most are still unaware of the facts.

T

New Polling Shows Where The Country Stands On Impeachment

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Friday, September 27, 2019 3:58 PM

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

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Originally posted by THG:

I believe differently second. I think most are still unaware of the facts.

T

I think most of the people who voted for Trump in 2016 don't care about facts, and never will, which kind of explains how their lives get into binds and blind alleys. It is literally, not metaphorically, impossible to get them to understand how Trump is transferring Federal money into his own pocket. These are the same people who get screwed over time after time in their personal financial decisions and by their the bosses and in their dealings with landlords, etc. You'd never be able to get those kind of people to pay intelligent attention to what is being done to rip them off. They know they are being screwed; they can't grasp what to do about it; they hope Trump will help; they are so very wrong about him:

"The Zelensky Call shines a light on Trump’s financial corruption"
www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2019/9/27/20886789/trump-zelensky-hote
l-call-transcript

We can only hope that the next election, it comes up Democrat, but Republicans win that coin toss 50% of the time.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Friday, September 27, 2019 4:12 PM

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Originally posted by second:
Quote:
Originally posted by THG:

I believe differently second. I think most are still unaware of the facts.

T
I think most of the people who voted for Trump in 2016 don't care about facts, and never will, which kind of explains how their lives get into binds and blind alleys. It is literally, not metaphorically, impossible to get them to understand how Trump is transferring Federal money into his own pocket. These are the same people who get screwed over time after time in their personal financial decisions and by their the bosses and in their dealings with landlords, etc. You'd never be able to get those kind of people to pay intelligent attention to what is being done to rip them off. They know they are being screwed; they can't grasp what to do about it; they hope Trump will help; they are so very wrong about him:

"The Zelensky Call shines a light on Trump’s financial corruption"
www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2019/9/27/20886789/trump-zelensky-hote
l-call-transcript

We can only hope that the next election, it comes up Democrat, but Republicans win that coin toss 50% of the time.

I think enough of those who feel as you say are beginning to realize Trump is not the answer. That in fact their situations are getting worse

tick tock second. I saw this coming from the very beginning and is why I started this thread. A bold prediction at the time don't you think? Well, here we are.

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Friday, September 27, 2019 4:26 PM

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

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Originally posted by THG:
I think enough of those who feel as you say are beginning to realize Trump is not the answer. That in fact their situations are getting worse

I think they are NOT realizing. I see that "Health Insurance Costs Surpass $20,000 Per Year, Hitting a Record". Since the median household income is only $61,000, Americans are being screwed by just this one thing, not counting all the other financial screwing. Is it possible to get a Trump voter to understand Trump is not fixing this? Not possible. (I forgot to mention Trump tried to fix it by making it worse. Long dead Senator John McCain stopped Trump.)

Fortunately, Trump voters only number about 62,984,828, while the population is 329,064,917. Maybe some of those 200,000,000 who did not vote last time will vote this next time.
www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-09-25/why-is-health-insurance-so-
expensive-20-000-a-year-for-coverage

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Friday, September 27, 2019 4:30 PM

Pompeo subpoenaed for Ukraine docks by 3 House committees

Secretary of State Mike Pompeo has been subpoenaed by three House committees. The committees are "investigating the extent to which President Trump jeopardized national security by pressing Ukraine to interfere with our 2020 election and by withholding security assistance provided by Congress to help Ukraine counter Russian aggression." They are seeking documents from Pompeo by October 4th, 2019.

https://www.msnbc.com/deadline-white-house/watch/pompeo-subpoenaed-for
-ukraine-docks-by-3-house-committees-70107717753

tick tock Pompeo

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Friday, September 27, 2019 4:32 PM

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Originally posted by second:
Quote:
Originally posted by THG:
I think enough of those who feel as you say are beginning to realize Trump is not the answer. That in fact their situations are getting worse
I think they are NOT realizing. I see that "Health Insurance Costs Surpass $20,000 Per Year, Hitting a Record". Since the median household income is only $61,000, Americans are being screwed by just this one thing, not counting all the other financial screwing. Is it possible to get a Trump voter to understand Trump is not fixing this? Not possible.

Fortunately, Trump voters only number about 62,984,828, while the population is 329,064,917. Maybe some of those 200,000,000 who did not vote last time will vote this next time.
www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-09-25/why-is-health-insurance-so-
expensive-20-000-a-year-for-coverage

Count on it.

T

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Friday, September 27, 2019 4:32 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by second:

Fortunately, Trump voters only number about 62,984,828, while the population is 329,064,917. Maybe some of those 200,000,000 who did not vote last time will vote this next time.

Oh, they will.

Just not the way you're hoping they will.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Friday, September 27, 2019 4:35 PM

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

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Originally posted by THG:
Quote:
Originally posted by second:
Quote:
Originally posted by THG:
I think enough of those who feel as you say are beginning to realize Trump is not the answer. That in fact their situations are getting worse
I think they are NOT realizing. I see that "Health Insurance Costs Surpass $20,000 Per Year, Hitting a Record". Since the median household income is only $61,000, Americans are being screwed by just this one thing, not counting all the other financial screwing. Is it possible to get a Trump voter to understand Trump is not fixing this? Not possible.

Fortunately, Trump voters only number about 62,984,828, while the population is 329,064,917. Maybe some of those 200,000,000 who did not vote last time will vote this next time.
www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-09-25/why-is-health-insurance-so-
expensive-20-000-a-year-for-coverage

Count on it.

T

(I forgot to mention Trump tried to fix health care by making it worse, but long dead Senator John McCain stopped it in a famous thumbs down on Trump.) The typical Trump voter was thinking that repealing Obamacare and replacing it with nothing was a GREAT IDEA, but that's the kind of "thinking" that screws up their lives.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Friday, September 27, 2019 4:46 PM

The New York Times' Thomas Friedman and the Washington Post's Eugene Robinson discuss Morning Joe's exclusive interview with the House Speaker and the opening of an impeachment inquiry.

https://www.msnbc.com/morning-joe/watch/how-impeachment-inquiry-impact
s-us-globally-70079557753

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Friday, September 27, 2019 4:55 PM

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Originally posted by THG:
The New York Times' Thomas Friedman and the Washington Post's Eugene Robinson discuss Morning Joe's exclusive interview with the House Speaker and the opening of an impeachment inquiry.

https://www.msnbc.com/morning-joe/watch/how-impeachment-inquiry-impact
s-us-globally-70079557753

T

This is what they talk about between meetings of shifting their focus from Russiagate (because it doesn't sell papers anymore) to racism.

NYT is a total activist driven trash rag. You get better reporting from Weekly World News in 2019.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Friday, September 27, 2019 5:43 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Only 2,043 days remaining on the Impeachment Clock.

How exciting. 002780

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Saturday, September 28, 2019 4:07 PM

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Saturday, September 28, 2019 4:09 PM

Yup.

Except that's exactly the opposite of what it said.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Saturday, September 28, 2019 5:51 PM

In U.S.-Ukraine dealings, Russia is never far away

KIEV, Ukraine —For decades, as Ukraine has drawn a parade of visiting American diplomats and officeholders and investors and political fixers, Russia has rarely been out of anyone’s line of sight.

It’s all about location — and Ukraine’s now-hostile embrace with its big next door neighbor. Ukraine has become a magnet for all sorts of visitors with expansive — and Moscow-looking — visions. Some see Ukraine as a key to its big neighbor. To others, Ukraine is a crack in Russia’s armor.

While Ukraine has a starring role in the impeachment inquiry in the House, Russia is never far away from anything that happens in Kiev’s territory.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/in-us-ukraine-dealings-russia-is-
never-far-away/ar-AAHZyfa?ocid=spartandhp

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Saturday, September 28, 2019 5:57 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

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Originally posted by THG:
Ukraine’s now-hostile embrace (?) with its big next door neighbor

And that's why intercepting Trump/Ukraine communications is EXACTLY like intercepting Trump/Russia communication!! Eh, THUGGER?

The insane never-Trumpers will be driven even more insane in the wash/rinse/spin/repeat/ cycle they mistake for reality.

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Saturday, September 28, 2019 8:41 PM

Well at least it looks like T finally figured out that Russia and Ukraine aren't the same thing.

Talk about Progress.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Sunday, September 29, 2019 7:11 AM

rezident owtsidr

Quote:
Originally posted by CAPTAINCRUNCH:
Trump is! Har har har...

Its wun uv many thingz about this that are so obvious the mind instantly dismissez them az silly. 'Trump luvz gold, therefor he will raid Fort Nox' iz a Saturday morning cartoon plot.

Quote:

Seriously though... I've been batting around this idea for a scifi story...
some viewers might notice is the number of exteriors that have fungus on them... Big Pharma has been relabeling their anti-fungel drugs as cancer treatments... a new study on a new strain of air born fungul / virus

I am alredy intrigued!

I get a bunch uv story ideaz, but almost never work on them. I only finisht 2 for the nqalf website story section! I blame a lak uv time due to a lak uv money, but really, if you hav enuf enthuziazm for sumthing, you find the time.

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Sunday, September 29, 2019 7:40 AM

rezident owtsidr

Quote:
Originally posted by THG:

Still, this is a major fuck up by Trump. Fact, Trump is still colluding and threatening foreign governments in an attempt to influence "sully" our elections. Key word being STILL.

Its starting to look like it.

I wuz thinking it wuz a plot to discredit the Congressional committeez investigating the TrumPutin Conspirasy - create a seemingly eazy win for them that turnz out to be bogus. It woud explain wy Trump didnt try to stop the release uv the transcipt and the complaint. It woud be from the FSB or GRU
(wichever Russian espianaj ajensy makes plots uv this kind), and likely with input from Republican stratejists.

But now that more detailz are out, that duznt make az much sens az Trump screwed up.

Hiz feeble brain iz soaking in the same eko chamber fantasy az hiz idiotic fanz, so he wuz thinking 'the transcript makes me look like a real player. A powerful Prezident uzing hiz power to get an investigation moving. Powerful!'

He knowz its just Gulianni and Barr adding fake meat to their Russia Hoax fable, wich iz alredy settled history in the eko chamber, but he iz getting senile, so coudnt see how the call coud be seen any other way.

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Sunday, September 29, 2019 7:43 AM

lol

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Sunday, September 29, 2019 7:58 AM

rezident owtsidr

Quote:
Originally posted by second:
Texas Republican voters do not think Trump fucked up.

Quote:
Originally posted by THG:
I believe differently second. I think most are still unaware of the facts.

Both statements are true.

Trumps chumps think they know wuts going on, but are getting all their 'facts' from the eko chamber. They check nothing.

I found an old frend online hoo livez in Texas. Turnz out he'z a rabid Trump fan. He sendz me links to storyz from Brietbart, Fox, American Thinker, etc and then flat out refuzez to read links to the debunks bekuz its 'the lamestream Democrat controlled media.'

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Sunday, September 29, 2019 10:51 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by JO753:
Quote:
Originally posted by second:
Texas Republican voters do not think Trump fucked up.

Quote:
Originally posted by THG:
I believe differently second. I think most are still unaware of the facts.

Both statements are true.

Trumps chumps think they know wuts going on, but are getting all their 'facts' from the eko chamber. They check nothing.

I found an old frend online hoo livez in Texas. Turnz out he'z a rabid Trump fan. He sendz me links to storyz from Brietbart, Fox, American Thinker, etc and then flat out refuzez to read links to the debunks bekuz its 'the lamestream Democrat controlled media.'

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DUZ XaT SEM RiT TQ YQ? - Jubal Early

http://www.7532020.com .

How many of his links did you read or watch, JO?

Don't bother answering. Just pointing out the obvious fact that you're just as guilty of the exact same behavior as you're accusing your friend of.

It's the Legacy Media, not the lamestream media. Make sure to tell your friend to call it by the right name when you talk to him next.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Sunday, September 29, 2019 1:02 PM

Chris Wallace says tick tock
T

Moment Chris Wallace warns Teamtrump over Ukraine Whistleblower

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Sunday, September 29, 2019 3:34 PM

5 more years until Trump is out.

How exciting.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Sunday, September 29, 2019 4:44 PM

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Sunday, September 29, 2019 8:26 PM

CBS News poll: Majority of Americans, Democrats approve impeachment inquiry

More than half of Americans — and an overwhelming number of Democrats — say they approve of the fact that Congress has opened an impeachment inquiry into President Trump. But as the inquiry begins, there is no national consensus on how to assess the president's actions.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/cbs-news-poll-majority-of-amer
icans-democrats-approve-impeachment-inquiry/ar-AAI1Bml?ocid=spartandhp

tick tock

T

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Sunday, September 29, 2019 8:44 PM

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Originally posted by THG:
CBS News poll: Majority of Americans, Democrats approve impeachment inquiry

More than half of Americans — and an overwhelming number of Democrats — say they approve of the fact that Congress has opened an impeachment inquiry into President Trump. But as the inquiry begins, there is no national consensus on how to assess the president's actions.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/cbs-news-poll-majority-of-amer
icans-democrats-approve-impeachment-inquiry/ar-AAI1Bml?ocid=spartandhp

tick tock

T

Well, to be fair, if anybody asked me I would tell them that I approve of the impeachment inquiry. I've been saying that they should impeach him as long as any of you guys have.

Glad to see that they're finally doing an investigation to decide whether or not they're going to impeach him at a later date or not.

You can never have too many of those.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Monday, September 30, 2019 1:44 AM

rezident owtsidr

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
How many of his links did you read or watch, JO?

All uv them exept the repeats.

I usually debunk them point by point.

Today it included a revival uv the Uranium 1 Deal story. They never giv up on them kuz they know their readerz dont check anything.

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Monday, September 30, 2019 7:05 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by JO753:
Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
How many of his links did you read or watch, JO?

All uv them exept the repeats.

I usually debunk them point by point.

Today it included a revival uv the Uranium 1 Deal story. They never giv up on them kuz they know their readerz dont check anything.

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DUZ XaT SEM RiT TQ YQ? - Jubal Early

http://www.7532020.com .

That's funny, JO.

You haven't debunked anything here. You must be saving the good stuff for your real life friends I guess.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Monday, September 30, 2019 11:40 AM

tick tock
T

Trump says the whistleblower complaint isn’t accurate. The White House keeps showing how it is.

COMPLAINT: "Multiple White House officials with direct knowledge of the call informed me that, after an initial exchange of pleasantries, the President used the remainder of the call to advance his personal interests.”

TRANSCRIPT: Trump speaks in nine discrete segments.

He congratulates Zelensky on winning the presidency.

He says Ukraine is happy Zelensky won.

He mentions how much aid the United States provides to Ukraine.

He asks a favor: Investigate (baseless) rumors about Ukrainian involvement in an assessment of Russia’s hacking of the Democratic National Committee in 2016.

He encourages working with his attorney Rudolph W. Giuliani and pushes for an investigation of former vice president Joe Biden and his son.

He says he’ll have Giuliani and Attorney General William P. Barr call about the investigation.

He invites Zelensky to the White House.

He says he’ll see Zelensky at the White House or at an event in Poland (that he ended up not attending).

He again offers his congratulations.

Except for the invitation to the White House — though even that is questionable — the whistleblower’s allegation is accurate.

COMPLAINT: “According to the White House officials who had direct knowledge of the call, the President pressured Mr. Zelenskyy to … initiate or continue an investigation into the activities of former Vice President Joseph Biden and his son, Hunter Biden. …" (A different transliteration of Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky’s surname is used throughout the document.)

TRANSCRIPT: Trump says, "[T]here’s a lot of talk about Biden’s son, that Biden stopped the prosecution and a lot of people want to find out about that so whatever you can do with the Attorney General would be great. Biden went around bragging that he stopped the prosecution so if you can look into it … It sounds horrible to me.”

COMPLAINT: “ … assist in purportedly uncovering that allegations of Russian interference in the 2016 U.S. presidential election originated in Ukraine, with a specific request that the Ukrainian leader locate and turn over servers used by the Democratic National Committee (DNC) and examined by the U.S. cyber security firm Crowdstrike, which initially reported that Russian hackers had penetrated the DNC’s networks in 2016 …"

TRANSCRIPT: Trump says, “I would like you to find out what happened with this whole situation with Ukraine, they say Crowdstrike … I guess you have one of your wealthy people … The server, they say Ukraine has it. There are a lot of things that went on, the whole situation.” (Ellipses in the original.)

COMPLAINT: “ … and meet or speak with two people the President named explicitly as his personal envoys on these matters, Mr. Giuliani and Attorney General Barr, to whom the President referred multiple times in tandem.”

TRANSCRIPT: Trump praises Giuliani at one point, saying that “[h]e was the mayor of New York City, a great mayor, and I would like him to call you. I will ask him to call you along with the Attorney General. Rudy very much knows what’s happening, and he is a very capable guy. If you could speak to him that would be great.”

At another point he says he “will have Mr. Giuliani give you a call and I am also going to [have] Attorney General Barr call and we will get to the bottom of it.” At another point he says he “will tell Rudy and Attorney General Barr to call.”

COMPLAINT: “The President also praised Ukraine’s Prosecutor General, Mr. Yuriy Lutsenko, and suggested that Mr. Zelenskyy might want to keep him in his position.”

TRANSCRIPT: Trump talks about a prosecutor, but it’s not clear whether he’s referring to Viktor Shokin — whom Biden fought to get fired — or Shokin’s replacement, Lutsenko. Lutsenko, it’s worth noting, had helped propagate anti-Biden stories through the Hill.

“I heard you had a prosecutor who was very good,” Trump told Zelensky, “and he was shut down and that’s really unfair. A lot of people are talking about that, the way they shut your very good prosecutor down and you had some very bad people involved.”

“I heard the prosecutor was treated very badly,” he said at another point, “and he was a very fair prosecutor so good luck with everything.”

By the time of this call, Giuliani and Lutsenko had met personally on multiple occasions, according to the whistleblower.

COMPLAINT: “Aside from the above-mentioned ‘cases’ purportedly dealing with the Biden family and the 2016 U.S. election, I was told by White House officials that no other ‘cases’ were discussed.”

TRANSCRIPT: The only other issue raised in the call was the former U.S. ambassador to Ukraine, whom Trump removed. That subject was raised by Zelensky.

Those are all of the mentions of the call itself in the whistleblower complaint — all clearly and directly verified by the transcript that Trump’s White House itself released.

What has garnered more attention over the past 24 hours is another assertion made in the complaint.

“White House officials told me that they were ‘directed’ by White House lawyers to remove the electronic transcript from the computer system in which such transcripts are typically stored for coordination, finalization, and distribution to Cabinet-level officials,” the whistleblower writes. “Instead, the transcript was loaded into a separate electronic system that is otherwise used to store and handle classified information of an especially sensitive nature.

One White House official described this act as an abuse of this electronic system because the call did not contain anything remotely sensitive from a national security perspective.”

On Friday morning, the White House provided a statement to CNN: That move did happen, at the request of National Security Council lawyers.

It’s sounding more and more as if the whistleblower is just as credible as the intelligence community’s inspector general, and a subsequent review by the Office of Legal Counsel determined him or her to be.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2019/09/27/trump-says-whistleb
lower-complaint-isnt-accurate-white-house-keeps-showing-how-it-is/

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Monday, September 30, 2019 11:52 AM

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Four debunked talking points used to discredit the whistleblower complaint

To defend President Trump against the whistleblower allegations, Republicans in Congress are having to dodge or misstate some key facts. Here are the most common talking points they are using to discredit the complaint and why those don’t hold up.

Talking point No. 1: There is no quid pro quo — in the call or the whistleblower complaint

This is technically true. According to a rough transcript of Trump’s July call with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky, Trump didn’t say: Do this for me, and I’ll do this for you. But he didn’t have to be that explicit. The context surrounding this call would lead any reasonable person to believe that Trump had things to offer the Ukrainian president if he helped Trump out. Consider:

Days before the call, Trump froze bipartisan military aid to Ukraine.
Trump mentioned he needed a “favor” from the president right after Zelensky indicated he would like to buy more Javelin missiles from the United States.

Trump resisted a White House meeting with Zelensky, something Zelensky desperately wanted, for some time. After Zelensky appeared to agree to help Trump out, Zelensky suddenly got what he had long wanted. Trump said: “Good. Well, thank you very much, and I appreciate that. I will tell Rudy and Attorney General Barr to call. Thank you. Whenever you would like to come to the White House feel free to call. Give us a date, and we’ll work that out. I look forward to seeing you.”

Plus, the idea of a quid pro quo may be a red herring. “You normally don’t have a quid pro quo stated expressly,” former federal prosecutor Randall Eliason told The Washington Post. “This is almost as close as you can get.”

Talking point No. 2: The whistleblower has political motivations, and so the complaint can’t be trusted

Page 5 of a report about the whistleblower by Michael Atkinson, the intelligence community inspector general, mentions that the whistleblower has “arguable political bias … in favor of a rival candidate.”

But in the very next sentence, Atkinson also said he had determined that that did not affect the credibility of the complaint. “Such evidence did not change my determination that the complaint relating to the urgent concern ‘appears credible,’ particularly given the other information the [intelligence community inspector general] obtained during its preliminary review."

In other words, Atkinson reviewed all angles of potential conflicts of interest by this whistleblower and still found his or her complaint to be credible, including by finding separate evidence.

Also, in questioning Thursday in the House Intelligence Committee, acting director of national intelligence Joseph Maguire backed up the whistleblower’s credibility. (Maguire said he does not know who the whistleblower is, but read this exchange between him and Chairman Adam B. Schiff (D-Calif.):

SCHIFF: You don’t believe the whistleblower is a political hack?
MAGUIRE: I believe the whistleblower is operating in good faith and has followed the law.

A few minutes later:

SCHIFF: Do you have any reason to accuse him or her of disloyalty to the country or suggest he is beholden to anything else but the country?
MAGUIRE: Absolutely not. I believe the whistleblower followed the steps every way.

[What we learned from Joseph Maguire's testimony about the whistleblower complaint]

Finally, the inspector general who investigated the complaint found the whistleblower to have “subject matter expertise” about the material.
Talking point No. 3: The whistleblower had only secondhand knowledge

This is also true. But it’s not enough to discredit the entire complaint. If we think of the whistleblower as a reporter, the whistleblower talked to a lot of people who had firsthand knowledge.

In one key instance, we have original source material to back up what the whistleblower has alleged. So far, this person nailed the call between Trump and Zelensky. This person correctly reported nuances about how Trump not only asked about the Bidens, but asked Zelensky for help about other election-related topics.

Notably, Trump is said to have asked Zelensky to “assist in purportedly uncovering that allegations of Russian interference in the 2016 U.S. presidential election originated in Ukraine, with a specific request that the Ukrainian leader locate and turn over servers used by the Democratic National Committee and examined by the U.S. cyber security firm CrowdStrike.”

That’s almost verbatim from the call:

TRUMP: I would like you to do us a favor though because our country has been through a lot and Ukraine knows a lot about it. I would like you to find out what happened with this whole situation with Ukraine, they say Crowdstrike ... I guess you have one of your wealthy people … The server, they say Ukraine has it. There are a lot of things that went on, the whole situation. I think you’re surrounding yourself with some of the same people. I would like to have the Attorney General call you or your people and I would like you to get to the bottom of it. As you saw yesterday, that whole nonsense ended with a very poor performance by a man named Robert Mueller, an incompetent performance, but they say a lot of it started with Ukraine. Whatever you can do, it’s very important that you do it if that’s possible.

The whistleblower also talked to half a dozen U.S. officials over the course of months to put together this complaint.

Does this mean we should take everything in this whistleblower complaint as truth? No, of course not. But it’s worth noting that this person has multiple sources in the room of the president.

Talking point No. 4: This is a ‘secondhand conspiracy theory built on biased media reports’

The Washington Examiner reports that the White House gave this talking point to Republicans in Congress on Thursday to counter the complaint. The idea seems to be to discredit the complaint by tying it to distrust of the media.

The whistleblower does use public events, as reported by journalists, to bolster his or her claims and help paint a picture of a president abusing his power for personal gain. But those news reporters are used to bolster his or her own sources. For example, the whistleblower says that as the Ukrainian ambassador was about to lose her job, this person “learned from a U.S. official that ‘associates’ of [Trump’s personal lawyer Rudolph W. Giuliani] were trying to make contact with the incoming Zelensky team."

Then this person makes the claim that Giuliani had helped oust the ambassador and cites Giuliani’s interview with a Ukrainian journalist that the ambassador was “removed … because she was part of the efforts against the President.” This person also cites a New York Times article showing Giuliani planned to travel to Ukraine days after the ambassador lost her job “to press the Ukrainian government to pursue investigations that would help the President in his 2020 reelection bid.”

News reports are part of the story, but they’re not the whistleblower’s only story. In addition, broadly speaking, the reporting by The Post and other outlets on the contents of this complaint have proved to be accurate.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2019/09/27/four-debunked-talki
ng-points-used-discredit-whistleblower-complaint/

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Monday, September 30, 2019 2:21 PM

Mitch McConnell: Senate must hold trial on Trump if House impeaches

WASHINGTON – Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell said the Senate would have "no choice" but to hold a trial on President Donald Trump if the House votes to put forward articles of impeachment.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/mitch-mcconnell-senate-must-ho
ld-trial-on-trump-if-house-impeaches/ar-AAI4n0F?ocid=spartanntp

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Monday, September 30, 2019 5:22 PM

What's different about this poll. It's not about an impeachment inquiry but impeachment itself.

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CNN poll: Rising Republican support for impeaching Trump

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Monday, September 30, 2019 8:16 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN

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Yup.

Except that's exactly the opposite of what it said.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

Seems cartoonists are selectively illiterate.

It said The Vice President Is A Crook. Such as the Former Veep.

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Monday, September 30, 2019 8:19 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN

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Mitch McConnell: Senate must hold trial on Trump if House impeaches

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/mitch-mcconnell-senate-must-ho
ld-trial-on-trump-if-house-impeaches/ar-AAI4n0F?ocid=spartanntp

BREAKING NEWS!!!

BREAKING NEWS!!!!

Abut 240 years ago the Constitution was ratified. So now pmsn and T have caught on already.

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Tuesday, October 1, 2019 8:33 AM

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

The odds of impeachment of course favor the president, because 67 votes to remove remains an almost certainly impassable bar. But Trump is bringing nothing else to this contest besides inertia. His own actions are the worst possible. In a fight his opponents probably cannot win, he is exerting all his manic, directionless energy to lose.

During the Lewinsky scandal, Clinton focused on doing his job. Trump isn’t even pretending.

www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2019/09/trumps-impeachment-plan-oppo
site-clintons/599095/

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Tuesday, October 1, 2019 10:18 AM

lol

At any point in time did you really think Trump was going to take any cues from a Clinton?

He'll be fine.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Wednesday, October 2, 2019 9:06 AM

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
lol

At any point in time did you really think Trump was going to take any cues from a Clinton?

He'll be fine.

Trump? Fine? Really?

Trump said of Rep. Adam Schiff, the designated leader of the impeachment proceedings in the House, in his Sunday tweet: “I want him investigated at the highest level for Fraud & Treason.”

Treason, as Trump recalled at a private U.N. event last week, is punishable by death.

On Monday, Trump denounced Schiff as a traitor. He ended his rant - one of many these past few days - with the quite literal suggestion that Schiff be arrested for treason.

Schiff is not the only target of Trump’s wildly unprecedented fuming. So is the career CIA agent who apparently authored the whistleblower complaint. His anonymity is protected under our laws, but Trump has demanded to meet him - and whomever provided him or her the firsthand information about the call. “Was this person spying on the President of the United States?” Trump asked on Twitter.

Espionage, too, is a capital offense.

On Sunday, Trump’s senior adviser, Stephen Miller, the author of some of the most troubling aspects of the president’s agenda, appeared on television to dismiss the whistleblower’s complaint as the workings of the so-called Deep State, expressing a kind of political paranoia that used to be reserved for totalitarian regimes but has now become a frequent and utterly misguided talking point by the far-right in this country.

In normal times these statements would have brought everyone in Washington to their feet to protest, or to at least counsel temperance. In these abnormal times, we have seen example after example of silence or complicity throughout nearly the entire GOP caucuses in the Senate and the House. That acquiescence is dangerous.

We don’t know yet whether Trump’s call with Ukraine’s president is part of a pattern of abuse of power that will lead to a trial in the Senate, nor how senators would vote if they were asked to sit in judgment. Speaker Nancy Pelosi has merely authorized the beginning of an investigation into whether he should be impeached.

If the Democrats have overplayed their hands, they will face political consequences for doing so. But if Republicans don’t stand up to Trump’s unprecedented rhetoric about treason, espionage and even civil war if he were to be impeached, then no matter what the proceedings’ outcome, Republicans will be responsible for serious damage to the Republic.

There will be a political price for that, too, but it may come too late.

www.houstonchronicle.com/opinion/editorials/article/Why-Trump-s-treaso
n-talk-is-dangerous-to-14484231.php

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Wednesday, October 2, 2019 9:08 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by second:
Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
lol

At any point in time did you really think Trump was going to take any cues from a Clinton?

He'll be fine.
Trump? Fine? Really?

Did I stutter?

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Thursday, October 3, 2019 11:52 AM

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

Did I stutter?

Do Right, Be Right. :)

Today, Trump threatened to do $billions in damage to China unless it finds dirt on Biden.

Trump just encouraged 2 countries to interfere in the 2020 election — on camera. Will he get away with it? Or will he and 6ixStringJack pretend his words don't mean what his mouth said?
www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2019/10/3/20896926/trump-china-biden-u
kraine-impeachment-pool-october

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Thursday, October 3, 2019 12:18 PM

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Maybe this time will be different.

Nope.

I seriously doubt that it will Vox "news".

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Thursday, October 3, 2019 1:29 PM

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Quote:
Maybe this time will be different.

Nope.

I seriously doubt that it will Vox "news".

Do Right, Be Right. :)

Reuters had the same news as Vox, about Trump asking China to help him win the 2020 election, with one difference: Reuters did not make the connection between Trump's tweets today threatening China if it does not help Trump destroy Biden. This is the same old thing that got Trump in trouble about Ukraine last week. Obviously Trump will deny that his words mean what his mouth says, but China knows what Trump means, even if 6ixStringJack and other Trump voters know nothing.
www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-whistleblower/trump-again-seeks-f
oreign-help-to-investigate-bidens-calling-on-china-idUSKBN1WI0BC

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Thursday, October 3, 2019 2:56 PM