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Sunday, September 8, 2019 10:24 AM
SECOND
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two
Sunday, September 8, 2019 10:34 AM
CAPTAINCRUNCH
... stay crunchy...
Quote:Originally posted by second: The Pentagon is paying Trump to stay at his resort, which was losing money until the Pentagon sent aircrews there. No, Trump cannot be stealing $millions from American taxpayers. That would be unthinkable! In early Spring of this year, an Air National Guard crew made a routine trip from the U.S. to Kuwait to deliver supplies. What wasn’t routine was where the crew stopped along the way: President Donald Trump’s Turnberry resort, about 50 miles outside Glasgow, Scotland. Since April, the House Oversight Committee has been investigating why the crew on the C-17 military transport plane made the unusual stay — both en route to the Middle East and on the way back — at the luxury waterside resort, according to several people familiar with the incident. But they have yet to receive any answers from the Pentagon. The inquiry is part of a broader, previously unreported probe into U.S. military expenditures at and around the Trump property in Scotland. According to a letter the panel sent to the Pentagon in June, the military has spent $11 million on fuel at the Prestwick Airport — the closest airport to Trump Turnberry — since October 2017, fuel that would be cheaper if purchased at a U.S. military base. The letter also cites a Guardian report that the airport provided cut-rate rooms and free rounds of golf at Turnberry for U.S. military members. Taken together, the incidents raise the possibility that the military has helped keep Trump’s Turnberry resort afloat — the property lost $4.5 million in 2017, but revenue went up $3 million in 2018. “The Defense Department has not produced a single document in this investigation,” said a senior Democratic aide on the oversight panel. “The committee will be forced to consider alternative steps if the Pentagon does not begin complying voluntarily in the coming days.” More at www.politico.com/story/2019/09/06/air-force-trump-scottish-retreat-1484337 The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
Tuesday, September 10, 2019 1:44 AM
Tuesday, September 10, 2019 10:30 AM
Quote:Originally posted by second: Jonathan Franzen has pissed off a lot of people by writing in the New Yorker that we should just admit the obvious: we’ve lost the war on climate change. He says that the conditions for success are simply unacceptable for most people, but more among Republicans than Democrats. The first condition is that every one of the world’s major polluting countries institute draconian conservation measures, shut down much of its energy and transportation infrastructure, and completely retool its economy. . . . The actions taken by these countries must also be the right ones. Vast sums of government money must be spent without wasting it and without lining the wrong pockets . . . . Finally, overwhelming numbers of human beings, including millions of government-hating Americans, need to accept high taxes and severe curtailment of their familiar life styles without revolting. “There is infinite hope,” Kafka tells us, “only not for us.” This is a fittingly mystical epigram from a writer whose characters strive for ostensibly reachable goals and, tragically or amusingly, never manage to get any closer to them. More at What If We Stopped Pretending? www.newyorker.com/culture/cultural-comment/what-if-we-stopped-pretending The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
Tuesday, September 10, 2019 11:10 AM
Quote:Originally posted by captaincrunch: Very interesting take. I have to agree with his view that looking around I don't see many people "getting on board" with what we'd need to do (according to experts) to slow real serious climate change the disasters that will come with it.
Tuesday, September 10, 2019 1:15 PM
Quote:Originally posted by second: Working with human nature is far more likely to produce results than fighting it, and that means finding new ways to make green energy cheap and plentiful instead of fruitlessly pleading with people to use less of it.
Tuesday, September 10, 2019 2:04 PM
6IXSTRINGJACK
Quote:Originally posted by captaincrunch: Quote:Originally posted by second: Working with human nature is far more likely to produce results than fighting it, and that means finding new ways to make green energy cheap and plentiful instead of fruitlessly pleading with people to use less of it. Absolutely definitely agree with the "go with human nature, don't fight it" approach. I have used the example of our city providing us (for a tiny fee) recycling containers that are easy to use and store. They go out on trash day so you are already out there. They have made recycling too easy to ignore. I would also appeal to Greed. Tax savings for doing X. People will do almost anything for money.
Thursday, September 12, 2019 6:43 AM
Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: First on my list would be rewarding people through tax incentives to NOT have kids. The ass backward reward system we have in place today breeds countless idiots on a daily basis. How big is your carbon footprint? Now multiply that exponentially for every kid you have. Do Right, Be Right. :)
Thursday, September 12, 2019 6:46 AM
Thursday, September 12, 2019 7:24 AM
Sunday, September 15, 2019 6:57 AM
Sunday, September 15, 2019 10:02 AM
Sunday, September 15, 2019 8:16 PM
Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: lol From day one they haven't acted like they wanted to beat Trump. I'm half convinced that everybody who's been on that stage is working for Trump. 2020 is going to be a blowout because of the constant pandering to the extreme left. Is that CNN falling in line with my predictions about the media starting to back Trump "reluctantly" too? Too predictable. Trump is great for clickbait headlines and ad revenue. Do Right, Be Right. :)
Quote:Mutz examined voters whose incomes declined, or didn’t increase much, or who lost their jobs, or who were concerned about expenses, or who thought they had been personally hurt by trade. None of those things motivated people to switch from voting for Obama in 2012 to supporting Trump in 2016. Indeed, manufacturing employment in the United States has actually increased somewhat since 2010. And as my colleague Adam Serwer has pointed out, “Clinton defeated Trump handily among Americans making less than $50,000 a year.” Meanwhile, a few things did correlate with support for Trump: a voter’s desire for their group to be dominant, as well as how much they disagreed with Clinton’s views on trade and China. Trump supporters were also more likely than Clinton voters to feel that “the American way of life is threatened,” and that high-status groups, like men, Christians, and whites, are discriminated against. This unfounded sense of persecution is far from rare, and it seems to be heightened during moments of societal change. As my colleague Emma Green has written, white evangelicals see more discrimination against Christians than Muslims in the United States, and 79 percent of white working-class voters who had anxieties about the “American way of life” chose Trump over Clinton. As I pointed out in the fall of 2016, several surveys showed many men supported Trump because they felt their status in society was threatened, and that Trump would restore it. Even the education gap in support for Trump disappears, according to one analysis, if you account for the fact that non-college-educated whites are simply more likely to affirm racist views than those with college degrees. (At the most extreme end, white supremacists also use victimhood to further their cause.) These why-did-people-vote-for-Trump studies are clarifying, but also a little bit unsatisfying, from the point of view of a politician. They dispel the fiction—to use another 2016 meme—that the majority of Trump supporters are disenfranchised victims of capitalism’s cruelties. At the same time, deep-seated psychological resentment is harder for policy makers to address than an overly meager disability check. You can teach out-of-work coal miners to code, but you may not be able to convince them to embrace changing racial and gender norms. You can offer universal basic incomes, but that won’t ameliorate resentment of demographic changes. In other words, it’s now pretty clear that many Trump supporters feel threatened, frustrated, and marginalized—not on an economic, but on an existential level. Now what?
Monday, September 16, 2019 12:36 AM
JO753
rezident owtsidr
Monday, September 16, 2019 5:59 AM
Quote:Originally posted by JO753: I hate S.E. Cupp. She never failz to say sumthing stupid within a minit uv opening her mouth. ---------------------------- DUZ XaT SEM RiT TQ YQ? - Jubal Early http://www.7532020.com .
Monday, September 16, 2019 6:46 AM
Monday, September 16, 2019 7:27 AM
Quote:Originally posted by JO753: Try keeping peepl tuned into a debate for 2 owrz in wich everybody agreez with each other. Then see how many voterz dont seem to hav the time to woc the next debate.
Friday, September 20, 2019 6:56 AM
Friday, September 20, 2019 10:58 AM
Quote:Originally posted by second: Sorry to say, but Bernie Sanders, Joe Biden, and Trump are too old or too dumb or too crazy to be President.
Saturday, September 21, 2019 7:20 AM
Saturday, September 21, 2019 8:35 AM
Saturday, September 21, 2019 8:39 AM
Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: What a juvenile take on the issues. Do Right, Be Right. :)
Saturday, September 21, 2019 9:22 AM
Quote:Originally posted by second: When it comes to the issues, the gulf between those two parties is incredibly wide.
Quote:1) Health Care Democrats have a variety of plans, but almost everyone agrees that health care should be a right, not a privilege. That is why they support government intervention to make insurance more affordable and care more accessible. Republicans remain committed to repealing Obamacare and letting the free market reign when it comes to affordability and accessibility.
Quote:2) Immigration Democrats support a secure border and a pathway to citizenship for undocumented immigrants. When it comes to asylum-seekers and legal immigration, they support humane policies that align with this country’s stated values. Republicans are committed to fear-mongering about immigrants and enacting xenophobic policies.
Quote:3) Guns Democrats support common sense gun safety measures that, based on research, would reduce the toll of 40,000 gun deaths in this country every year. Republicans have consistently refused to consider any gun safety measures.
Quote:4) Climate Change Democrats agree that climate change poses the existential crisis of our lifetimes and have various plans to address it. Republicans generally deny the scientific evidence of climate change and have blocked any measures to address it.
Quote:5) Perhaps even more important than these specific issues is the fact that, other than racist fear-mongering and tax cuts for the wealthy, Republicans don’t really have an agenda. Instead, they have been content to simply block anything Democrats support.
Saturday, September 21, 2019 11:14 AM
Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: . . .
Sunday, September 22, 2019 7:48 AM
Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: Let me put it another way... Democrats have had 3 years to come up with a policy and a person that could beat Donald Trump in 2020 and they have yet to find either. Donald freakin' "You're Fired!" Trump. STOP BLAMING OTHER PEOPLE FOR THE DEMOCRAT FAILURE. Or... Just keep doing it and losing. Whatever floats your boat. Do Right, Be Right. :)
Sunday, September 22, 2019 10:56 AM
Quote:Originally posted by second: When does the American Airlines plane run out of fuel and crash into the Atlantic? Maybe never because the plane has been flying around for decades, never landing and erratically swapping between Democrat and Republican every two years in thousands of local elections. But swapping back and forth is why American Airlines never arrives anywhere. The plane is in constant motion and the passengers are grumpy, except for the ones in First Class, who have comfortable seats and tasty food and clean toilets . . .
Monday, September 23, 2019 4:36 AM
Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: Beto just said he'd do what conspiracy theorists said the Democrats would do for decades now...
Monday, September 23, 2019 5:08 AM
Quote:Originally posted by JO753: Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: Beto just said he'd do what conspiracy theorists said the Democrats would do for decades now... ...and got the biggest cheer uv the nite.
Monday, September 23, 2019 10:24 AM
Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: Talking to a hand picked audience who's so far left they'd make Hitler's corpse blush. Do Right, Be Right. :)
Monday, September 23, 2019 10:30 AM
Monday, September 23, 2019 10:54 AM
Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: Whatever. You're never taking the guns. But keep bitching and whining about it like everything else. Do Right, Be Right. :)
Monday, September 23, 2019 10:57 AM
Quote:Originally posted by second: Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: Whatever. You're never taking the guns. But keep bitching and whining about it like everything else. Do Right, Be Right. :)The gun nuts in Australia said the same thing, but then there was one massacre on April 28, 1996, in Port Arthur, Australia. Australian gun nuts are not even a tenth as nutty as American-gun-nuts/Republicans, who will never change their minds irregardless of how many thousands of massacres in America. https://fortune.com/2018/02/20/australia-gun-control-success/ The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
Monday, September 23, 2019 10:58 AM
Wednesday, September 25, 2019 6:37 AM
Wednesday, September 25, 2019 6:51 AM
THG
Quote:Originally posted by captaincrunch: Quote:Originally posted by second: Sorry to say, but Bernie Sanders, Joe Biden, and Trump are too old or too dumb or too crazy to be President. Afraid so. Sanders is a great voice to have, and an ethical thinker and can be a good no BS inspiration, but not as president.
Friday, September 27, 2019 5:58 AM
Saturday, September 28, 2019 8:11 AM
Saturday, September 28, 2019 12:35 PM
Quote:Originally posted by second: Great News! Wall Street Democrats Might Leave the Party! Anything that accelerates the split in the decades-long marriage between the Democratic Party and Big Money should be celebrated. The transformation in policy that would ensue if Wall Street Democrats walk away from the party, freeing it from self-censorship and bad ideas, far outstrips whatever money they might raise for Democratic candidates. “I want to help the party, but Warren’s going to hurt me, so I’m going to help President Trump,” said one private equity executive, in a perfect distillation of putting personal enrichment ahead of what he claims to be his political preferences. “They will not support her. It would be like shutting down their industry,” said another bank executive, warning that her policies will be worse for Wall Street than Barack Obama’s. The most telling quote came from a hedge fund executive, who fretted that if Warren helped people discover that the Trump tax cuts only helped fatten corporate wallets, “Wall Street would not like the public thinking about that.” So their beef with “far left” Democrats is that they would tell too much truth about our broken tax code and the soaring inequality it fosters. That’s exactly the right attitude, which Bernie Sanders has backed up with his constant invocations of the old FDR line about the economic royalists, “I welcome their hatred.” And proudly rejecting the support of Wall Street isn’t just a populist pose; it’s a viable economic policy. Just about everything that has ailed the Democratic Party since the 1970s from a policy standpoint can be traced back to an ugly partnership with Wall Street money. As Brooks Jackson details in the seminal book "Honest Graft", Democrats, led by chief fundraiser for the House campaign arm Tony Coelho, cozied up to Big Money to hang onto power during the Reagan revolution. This wound up betraying just about every New Deal principle there was, and muddying the distinctions between the party and the Republicans. Whether you care about our broken health care system, the boiling planet, the breakdown of economic mobility and the middle class, or practically any other failing in our country, you can eventually find large financial interests at the heart of the policies that made it happen. And Democrats needing to tend to Wall Street interests for campaign capital resisted the necessary steps to reverse the cycles on all fronts. Solutions that would have followed the New Deal tradition, from universal Medicare to caps on bank size, couldn’t find their way through a corrupted, constrained Congress. The banks “frankly own the place,” Dick Durbin said in 2009, a year after the same banks cratered the economy. If Wall Street bigwigs suddenly bolt from the Democrats en masse in reaction to Warren’s or Sanders’s nomination, suddenly nobody would have to check with some rich executive before deciding whether to endorse good policy. Suddenly, real options would be allowed to get onto the menu in Washington. Perhaps most important, you would have a clearer distinction between a party of concentrated capital and a party of the plain person in the street. That has been completely removed from our politics because of a band of predatory financiers who imagine themselves as worldly, socially liberal Democrats. In cold electoral terms, New York and Connecticut aren’t going red even if the financial industry decides to flip entirely. But the Midwest and Sun Belt might respond differently to a Democratic Party that actually tends to their tangible needs, and not hamstrung by financial interests counseling caution and dangling campaign cash. More at https://prospect.org/power/great-news-wall-street-democrats-might-leave-the-party/ The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
Saturday, September 28, 2019 2:05 PM
Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: Another example of my prediction that the media would be "reluctantly" supporting four more years of Trump right here. Do Right, Be Right. :)
Saturday, September 28, 2019 2:41 PM
Quote:Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D-Mass) talked with MSNBC's Chris Hayes Monday about her 2020 presidential campaign, including her decision to forego big-ticket fundraisers during the Democratic primary but not in the general election
Sunday, September 29, 2019 6:32 AM
Sunday, September 29, 2019 7:23 AM
Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: What are you talking about, idiot? Warren has said on many occasions that she's taking big donor money for the General. Who gives a shit that she's not doing it in the primary when she's going to be bought and paid for in the end anyhow? Quote:Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D-Mass) talked with MSNBC's Chris Hayes Monday about her 2020 presidential campaign, including her decision to forego big-ticket fundraisers during the Democratic primary but not in the general election The sellout went into great detail about this with Cenk of TYT as well, but TYT seems to have removed that video because they like the sellout. Do Right, Be Right. :)
Sunday, September 29, 2019 7:47 AM
Quote:Originally posted by second: Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: What are you talking about, idiot? Warren has said on many occasions that she's taking big donor money for the General. Who gives a shit that she's not doing it in the primary when she's going to be bought and paid for in the end anyhow? Quote:Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D-Mass) talked with MSNBC's Chris Hayes Monday about her 2020 presidential campaign, including her decision to forego big-ticket fundraisers during the Democratic primary but not in the general election The sellout went into great detail about this with Cenk of TYT as well, but TYT seems to have removed that video because they like the sellout. Do Right, Be Right. :)Politics is crude, but not as crude as the model you are using of buying a Senator. *flowery bullshit*
Monday, September 30, 2019 8:48 AM
Monday, September 30, 2019 10:16 AM
Monday, September 30, 2019 3:11 PM
Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: Still doesn't address the fact that Warren is not who you were claiming she was.
Wednesday, October 2, 2019 9:16 AM
Wednesday, October 2, 2019 9:23 AM
Quote:Originally posted by second: The Washington Post tells us today, for about the hundredth time, that Midwest farmers are fed up with President Trump. Between his tariffs and his ethanol exemptions and his inability to make a deal with China, farmers are losing patience with a president they eagerly supported at first. But I’ll save you the trouble of reading the whole thing. Here’s the only sentence that really matters: Many of those grumbling about Trump today concede they are unlikely to vote for a Democratic presidential candidate next year. Look: either you’re willing to vote for someone else or you’re not. If you’re not, then your grumbles are meaningless and Trump doesn’t care about you. That goes for both voters and members of Congress. It’s not complicated. www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2019/10/midwest-farmers-continue-to-support-trump-part-234/ The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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