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Not sure why you quoted me on this one. I don't see how that reply pertains at all to what I was talking about.

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Cynically, Trump claims he will run the government like a business. Trump promised 6ix a good job (6ix is an unemployed Ne'er-do-well) and promised second a huge tax cut (second is the 1%). We can judge Trump by how soon he meets these goals and the cost to meet them. Since he is running the USA like a business, we need to also look at the National Debt. He could meet every goal almost instantaneously if he expands the National Debt very fast. But that would not be business-like, would it? You can read about these kinds of trade-offs between goals and expenditures at "Donald Trump is about to find out you can’t run government like a business"
www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/1/24/14346270/government-business
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Trump's immigration crackdown starts to gain traction

Trump's immigration crackdown starts to gain traction
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US President Donald Trump, pictured on September 11, celebrated a string of immigration victories this week
US President Donald Trump, pictured on September 11, celebrated a string of immigration victories this week (AFP Photo/NICHOLAS KAMM)

Washington (AFP) - With a little help from the Supreme Court and Mexico, US President Donald Trump's fitful crackdown on immigration is finally gaining traction.

Trump has spent his entire presidency promising to stop illegal immigration, shut out asylum seekers and wall off the Mexican border.

The far-reaching policies sparked an avalanche of court challenges, complaints from human rights organizations and derision from opposition Democrats ahead of next year's elections.

Undeterred, Trump has hammered away, making construction of a US-Mexican border wall one of his presidency's centerpieces -- and a key part of his 2020 reelection platform.

And this week he celebrated a string of victories.

The latest boost came Wednesday when the Supreme Court said he could enact severe restrictions on asylum seekers.

The ruling requires would-be refugees to ask for asylum in the first country they visit and only then -- if they are rejected -- can they attempt to apply in the United States.

The ruling -- which has temporary effect while challenges play out in lower courts -- shuts out large numbers of people fleeing violence and poverty in Central America. They will now have to apply for asylum in Mexico, rather than head directly to the United States.

Trump's opponents, as well as dissenting Supreme Court Justice Sonia Sotomayor, say the change upends decades of tradition in which the US, itself founded by waves of often poor immigrants, has welcomed refugees.

But Trump, who argues that economic migrants abuse the system with fraudulent asylum claims, went on Twitter to herald the "BIG United States Supreme Court WIN for the Border on Asylum!"

"The Southern Border is becoming very strong despite the obstruction by Democrats," he tweeted.

- Mexico comes on board -

That's far from all.

In July, the Supreme Court backed Trump's move to divert billions of dollars in Pentagon funds to pay for extending or rebuilding stretches of wall on the Mexican border. This lets him circumvent fierce resistance to funding in a divided Congress.

The Pentagon also said this Tuesday that the deployment of 5,500 troops on the border -- something that was initially highly controversial -- was being extended for the coming year.

While Trump exaggerates the amount of wall-building activity there's no question that momentum is gradually shifting his way.

"The Wall is going up very fast despite total Obstruction by Democrats in Congress, and elsewhere!" he tweeted Wednesday.

Perhaps the most significant shift has happened on the other side of the long, rugged frontier, where the Mexican government has set aside previous hostility to cooperate with Trump.

The change in mood follows threats by Trump to impose trade tariffs on Mexico, even though the two countries are in a free trade agreement together with Canada.

Not that Mexico is entirely happy. Foreign Minister Marcelo Ebrard called the new US asylum restrictions, which could mean a torrent of new cases for his country, "unprecedented."

"Or course we disagree," he said.

But Mexico appears to have accepted it has no choice but to play by Trump's rules.

On Monday, Mark Morgan, head of the US border patrol service, welcomed "unprecedented support" from Mexico, which he said has deployed 10,000 troops on its own southern border with Central America and 15,000 on the US border.

Proof that the joint crackdown is having an effect is in the numbers, US officials say.

August detentions of undocumented migrants numbered 64,000, down from 82,000 the previous month and 144,000 in May, Morgan said. Mexico, he said, has apprehended 134,000 people so far this year, compared to 83,000 in all of 2018.

Democrats use the immigration issue to paint Trump as heartless, even racist. But the president feels he's on the right track.

On Monday, as streams of Bahamians tried to exit islands ravaged by Hurricane Dorian, Trump made clear the United States would eye this latest group of asylum seekers skeptically.

"I don't want to allow people that weren't supposed to be in the Bahamas to come into the United States, including some very bad people and some very bad gang members and some very, very bad drug dealers," he said.

The language echoed his long-term characterization of Central American migrants as potential rapists and gang members.

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In any case, Trump is a disruptor, or ... as I called him BEFORE the election ... a loose cannon. Now, I happen to believe that many of our former alliances, agreements and arrangements needed serious disruption, so shaking things loose is a necessary step towards improvement. OTOH, Trump has not been able to reach good conclusions for these disruptions. Part of this may be his combative approach of applying "maximum pressure" and sending out mixed signals before "the big ask"; part of this may be internal contradictions in his own set of goals (make nice with Russia, make war on Iran which I pointed out even before he was elected couldn't both be accomplished); and part of this may be resulting from neocon/deep state interference.

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Somebody needs to up Trump's dosage of medication for bipolar syndrome. He is in the maniac stage all the time.
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Not only is it impossible to know what policies Pence would follow, I'll bet SECOND can't describe Trump's policies either.Which is why I don't really discuss much with SECOND, because he keeps making fatuous statements that he can't possbly have spent even three seconds thinking about.

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Trump Foreign Policy as Theater of the Absurd
A nightmare that one never wakes up from
Philip Giraldi • September 10, 2019

One might be forgiven for thinking that the foreign policy of the United States is some kind of theatrical performance, like a comic opera, with new characters appearing on stage willy-nilly and then being driven off after committing an incredible faux pas only to be replaced by even more grotesquely clownish figures. Unfortunately, while the musical chairs and plot twists contrived by a Goldoni or Moliere generally have a cheerful ending, the same cannot be said about what has been taking place in the White House.

The latest White House somewhat unexpected departure was that of ex-real estate lawyer Jason Greenblatt, who has been hanging around for over two years putting together the Deal of the Century for the Middle East. The Deal will reportedly end forever the possibility of any real Palestinian state but has run into a problem because Israel does not want its hands tied in any way while the Saudis and friends are reluctant to come up with the cash to fund the arrangement. Back to square one, though the Administration has replaced Greenblatt with thirty-year old Avi Berkowitz, whose only qualification for the position is that he is a friend of presidential son-in-law Jared Kushner and whose most recent job at the White House consisted of managing “daily logistics like getting coffee…” The president is nevertheless still insisting that the peace plan will be revealed in all its glory after the Israeli election on September 17th.

Another administration notable who now appears to be waiting for the hook to come out from offstage and take him away is National Security Adviser John Bolton.

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Bolton has long been regarded by those who still believe that Donald Trump actually has a heart and a mind as the eminence grise seated behind the throne who has encouraged the president’s bad angels. That may indeed be so, but leaks are now suggesting that the president has been disagreeing with his chief minister and marginalizing his presence in meetings. But as bad as Bolton truly is, one should not dismiss from consideration Secretary of State Mike Pompeo and Vice President Mike Pence, both of whom, like Bolton, have exhibited extraordinary ability to provide bad advice and to simultaneously say and do stupid things.

Pence’s recent error plagued trip to Ireland left one exasperated Irish journalist complaining that it was as if the Vice President had been invited to someone’s home and had “shat on the new carpet in the spare room, the one you bought specially for him” before his departure. Pence had unwisely made comments about Brexit that were both uninformed and regarded as “humiliating” by his hosts. But his real crime was that he blamed his boss for the ridiculous decision to stay at a Trump property 180 miles away from Dublin. President Trump denied the claim and, as he does not like being embarrassed by his subordinates, there is already talk that Pence will be replaced on the Republican ticket in 2020. Unfortunately, Attila the Hun is no longer available but it is certain that the GOP will be able to come up with someone else who will, like Pence, offend almost everyone. Tom Cotton maybe? Nikki Haley?

Now that North Korea is not cooperating with Trump’s distinctive brand of diplomacy, the Great Negotiator has turned to America (and Israel’s) enemy number one, suggesting a sit down with Iranian President Hassan Rouhani. The only problem with that is that Rouhani is not playing because the United States has been engaged in nothing less than “maximum pressure” economic warfare against his country. End the sanctions and Rouhani would consider talking directly.

Israel, of course, is deeply concerned lest American and Iranian heads of government actually get together to discuss things. According to some observers, Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu is believed to be somewhat nervous over that possibility and wants to get a hotter war going in the region to disrupt any consideration of entente between Tehran and Washington. That is why the Israelis have been escalating their attacks against claimed “Iranian targets” in Syria, Iraq and Lebanon, an initiative intended to provoke an Iranian reaction which will then be escalated by Netanyahu to draw Washington in supporting Israel while also putting an end to any consideration of top-level talks.

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As a side show to the deep thinking going on in the White House, there is the Iranian tanker saga. One might recall that the tanker Adrian Darya 1, which claimed to be registered in Panama while carrying alleged Iranian oil allegedly bound for Syria, was halted in Gibraltar by the British at the request of the American State Department even though it was in international waters at the time. The U.S. has been sanctioning nearly everything having to do with Iran, to include its export of oil, and is also enforcing sanctions imposed on the government in Syria. Pompeo claimed, in fact, that he had “reliable information” the ship was transporting oil to Syria in defiance of wide-ranging U.S. and European Union initiated sanctions directed against the regime of Syrian President Bashar al-Assad over false claims that it had been using chemical weapons. The Treasury Department added that the vessel was “blocked property” under an anti-terrorist order, and “anyone providing support to the Adrian Darya 1 risks being sanctioned.”

After six weeks detention, the British released the tanker on August 18th when a Gibraltar judge ruled that there were no grounds for seizing it in the first place, adding that it could not be turned over to Washington. Since that time, it has been making its way across the Mediterranean headed for ports unknown. It is, inevitably, being stalked by the United States Navy, which may or may not attempt to take control of it before it heads to shore in Lebanon or Syria.

The entire situation is farcical, but here is where the fun comes in: Brian Hook, a true Trumpean know-nothing who somehow has been designated U.S. Grand Poobah for Iran, sent an email on August 26th to the ship’s Indian captain Akhilesh Kumar. The message said “This is Brian Hook?.?.?.?I work for secretary of state Mike Pompeo… I am writing with good news.”

The “good news” consisted of an offer to give Captain Kumar millions of dollars if he would sail the Adrian Darya 1 to a port that would impound the ship for the U.S. Kumar did not respond to the offer to turn pirate and steal the vessel, so “Captain” Hook dropped the hammer in a second email, writing that: “With this money you can have any life you wish and be well-off in old age. If you choose not to take this easy path, life will be much harder for you.”

The sublimely ridiculous proposal to Kumar comes on top of a similar appeal from the Department of State, which last week offered rewards of up to $15 million for information that would enable the disruption of the financial mechanisms used by Iran’s Islamic Revolutionary Guards Corps (IRGC). State, acting through its humorously named “Rewards for Justice” program, will pay money for any information regarding the revenue sources of the IRGC, which was listed as a foreign terrorist organization in April.

The State Department announced the rewards at a briefing late last Wednesday morning, with Brian Hook saying that “The IRGC trains, funds, and equips proxy organizations across the Middle East. Iran wants these groups to extend the borders of the regime’s revolution and sow chaos and sectarian violence. We are using every available diplomatic and economic tool to disrupt these operations.”

Having experienced schemes involving paying rewards for information while I was overseas with the CIA, I can with considerable confidence predict that the U.S. Embassies in Turkey and Dubai will be flooded with desperate Iranians peddling what stories they have made up in exchange for money or visas. The actual information obtained will be approaching zero.

The American beneficence towards the Middle East currently also includes, apparently, intervening yet again in Syria to prevent the Syrian Army and its Iranian and Russian allies from eliminating the last major terrorist pocket in the country’s Idlib province. Fact is, it is the United States being led by the nose by Israel that has both supported terrorists and created most of the unrest and violence in the Middle East, central Asia and North Africa.

Additionally, also last week, the Treasury Department’s Office for Terrorism and Financial Intelligence headed by Under Secretary Sigal Mandelker, an Israeli, sanctioned more than two-dozen entities and individuals as well as 11 ships allegedly supporting IRGC oil shipments going to Bashar al-Assad’s Syria and other “illicit actors.” One has to wonder if the Treasury’s Office “for Terrorism” might actually be “for Terrorism” as long as it is carried out by the U.S. and its “best friend and closest ally” in the Middle East.

All in all, one hell of a week. A Greenblatt gone replaced by a Berkowitz, possibly Bolton and Pence going, piracy on the high seas, cash for info schemes, and lots more sanctions. Can’t get much more exciting than that, but let’s wait for next week to see what Donald Trump will give his good buddy Benjamin Netanyahu as a pre-electoral gift. Rumor has it that it will include American recognition of Israel’s right to annex most of the rest of the West Bank plus security guarantees that the U.S. will have the Jewish state’s back no matter what it seeks to do with its neighbors. Stay tuned!

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So, Trump's policies ARE NOT what the GOP elders want (whatever those are) and since Pence's policies would be identical to the wisdom of the GOP elders (whatever that is) the only logical conclusion is that Pence's polices WOULD NOT be the same as Trump's.

Seriously dood, does it not trouble you that you contradict yourself within the space of three posts? That's why I barely read your posts. You're a shit-skimmer; you skim for shit and post it without applying even the slightest filtration. And now you're busy shitting up this thread too. Why should I bother reading shit?

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Plus, Trump can't be ALL bad- I just look at his enemies (the security-state operatives, the monopolistic M$M and liberaloids everywhere) and I figure if THEY hate him to the point of fabricating a nonsensical "Russia collusion" hoax and slinging mud at every little thing ... well, he must be doing something right!

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Plus, Trump can't be ALL bad- I just look at his enemies (the security-state operatives, the monopolistic M$M and liberaloids everywhere) and I figure if THEY hate him to the point of fabricating a nonsensical "Russia collusion" hoax and slinging mud at every little thing ... well, he must be doing something right! SIGNY


You should read your own posts sometimes - hi-larious.
You realize you bring up RUSSIA! more than anyone else here except lately 6, and sometimes Kookie, right? I also think it's funny that you care about it so much. Why? So what if people want to know more about Trump's involvement with Putin. Doesn't that just make sense?

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Plus, Trump can't be ALL bad- I just look at his enemies (the security-state operatives, the monopolistic M$M and liberaloids everywhere) and I figure if THEY hate him to the point of fabricating a nonsensical "Russia collusion" hoax and slinging mud at every little thing ... well, he must be doing something right!

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You realize you bring up RUSSIA! more than anyone else here except lately 6, and sometimes Kookie, right? I also think it's funny that you care about it so much. Why? So what if people want to know more about Trump's involvement with Putin. Doesn't that just make sense? Isn't it prudent? Why does that bother you so much? He and his family have been lying about their relations with Russia since before the election. Aren't you curious why?

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Consider this thread to be an exercise in thinking about Trump without thinking about Russian "collusion", since that didn't happen and Russia is insignificant in that context.

Can we focus on REAL problems and REAL events please?

Negative interest rates?
War with Iran?
Exploding debt load?

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The US and Israel are discussing a mutual defense treaty that would further cement the already “tremendous” alliance between the two countries, President Donald Trump has revealed.

"I had a call today with Prime Minister Netanyahu to discuss the possibility of moving forward with a Mutual Defense Treaty, between the United States and Israel, that would further anchor the tremendous alliance between our two countries," Trump tweeted.

....between our two countries. I look forward to continuing those discussions after the Israeli Elections when we meet at the United Nations later this month!
— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) September 14, 2019

Trump voiced not-that-veiled support for Benjamin Netanyahu ahead of the upcoming parliamentary elections in Israel.

“I look forward to continuing those discussions after the Israeli Elections when we meet at the United Nations later this month!” Trump wrote.

The support surely comes in handy, as Netanyahu’s backing appears to be quite shaky. The September 17 polls are the second snap legislative elections this year after Netanyahu failed to form the government back in April.

The outcome of the upcoming vote is hard to predict, as Netanyahu’s party, Likud, has almost equal support as their main opponent the Blue and White led by Benny Gantz, opinion polls show.

Netanyahu was quick to respond to Trump’s announcement, lauding the prospects of the alliance and managing to call the US president a “friend” twice in a single tweet.

Thank you my dear friend President @realDonaldTrump. The Jewish State has never had a greater friend in the White House. I look forward to our meeting at the UN to advance a historic Defense Treaty between the United States and Israel.
— PM of Israel (@IsraeliPM) September 14, 2019

Forging a proper US-Israel alliance won’t be that great a step, since the standing agreements already oblige Washington to protect Tel Aviv in case of a war, former Pentagon official Michael Maloof believes. Still, such a deal somewhat increases the chances of the US being “lured into a conflict we don’t want.”

“In one sense, it would commit the United States to Israel’s defense, even if Israel decides to attack, let’s say, for example, Iran, then we will be committed to back them up without any hesitation. Already we have what amounts to a defense arrangement,” Maloof told RT. “Even without a piece of paper, the United States would come to Israel’s assistance, if it was physically attacked en masse.”

What I’m concerned about is that with someone like Netanyahu it will actually commit us even more to going into a conflict that he may drag us into.

Trump’s decision to announce such plans just a few days before the Israeli elections is not a coincidence, Maloof noted, and it clearly shows that he tried “to send a message that he wants Netanyahu re-elected.”

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Relations between Washington and Tel Aviv have always been quite cozy – and got even closer under Trump – yet the two countries do not have a full-fledged military alliance.

Israel was one of the first major non-Nato ally (MNNA), a designation that goes with a whole set of benefits, such as generous loans, a priority in delivery of various military surplus, possession of war reserve stocks of Pentagon-owned hardware outside US military bases (Israel is said to have at least six sites) and others.

Yest in 2014 the US enshrined Israel into a new class of ally – a major strategic partner. The new designation, which is a step above MNNA, was basically established specifically for Israel. It greatly expanded the US wartime stockpiles in Israel from $200 million in value to a whopping $1.8 billion.

Under the Trump administration, the trend has continued, and in 2017, the US established its first permanent military base – an air defense facility – in Israel.

If the mutual defense treaty between the two countries fleshes out, it would be the first such deal for Washington in decades. The US has standing agreements of such sort with Australia, New Zealand, South Korea and the Philippines. The latest one was signed with Japan in 1960, and since then the US has apparently opted for dragging countries into NATO instead of striking bilateral deals.

Another, quite antiquated, mutual protection agreement is the Rio Treaty signed by the US and the nations of Central and Southern Americas back in 1947. Several countries have withdrawn from it since then and the deal was breached several times. Still, US officials dusted off the deal earlier this year amid attempts to overthrow the Venezuelan government. The self-styled ‘interim president’ Juan Guaido and his rogue National Assembly “reinstated” Venezuela on the treaty which was denounced by legitimate Caracas authorities back in 2013.

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How do you know "it" didn't happen?- CC

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Those are your big problems? Bigger than having a crime family in the WH who are under our greatest advesary's thumb?- CC

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Tariff war with China
Health Care
Opioid Addiction
Gun legislation
Human trafficking
Alternative Power
Climate
Russia!

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Never heard of that flick.

Never heard of Peter Bradshaw either, for that matter.


Hey everybody... This guy doesn't like Trump.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Because despite a REAL TIME counterintelligence operation on the Trump campaign (which ran a number of "dangles" on campaigners), and an after-the-fact multi-year "investigation" (which btw used such sleazy and illegal tactics as hiding exculpatory evidence (eg an internal memo which cleared Flynn of "collusion" with Russia) in order to pressure potential witnesses) there is absolutely NO EVIDENCE that any such "collusion" occurred.

Seriously, if there had been collusion it would have left traces ... electronic communications, at least ONE packet captured by the NSA, real-time humint... but there's nothing. Nada. Zero. Zip. Just your paranoia.

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Tariff war with China
Health Care
Opioid Addiction
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Alternative Power
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But Trump is for the next five years. You'll have plenty to bitch about for a long time. That should make you happy.

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