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Monday, July 1, 2019 8:49 AM
6IXSTRINGJACK
Quote:Originally posted by second: Trump presents himself as an alpha male, bigger, badder and sexier than anyone else in the zoo. Threats and insults are his standard operating procedure. People don’t support him because they think he’s nice or sophisticated in his reasoning. The irony, of course, is that once you get past his mouth he turns out to be an uncommonly weak and ineffectual president. True, his allies and cronies are securing judgeships and eviscerating regulations, but Trump himself is 99% Public Relations. His job is to distract you from what the real movers and shakers in the White House, the Cabinet, and the GOP controlled Senate are doing. The New York Times, by giving us megadoses of Trump’s mouth, is a megaphone for him. If they secretly want him to be re-elected, they should continue doing more of that and less and less covering what his Cabinet and the Senate are doing. But here’s a better way: 1. Absolutely no front page news on Trump unless he actually does something — and saying stupid or mean stuff doesn’t qualify as doing. 2. Change the ruling meme from “He is upending the world through his threats and insults” to “He is a blowhard who actually does almost nothing.” Treat him not like an alpha but more like an omega with endless vocalizations, best ignored. The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
Monday, July 1, 2019 9:02 PM
SECOND
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two
Quote:Originally posted by 6ixStringJack: Not sure why you singled out the NYT though. The entirety of the MSM works for him in this regard.
Monday, July 1, 2019 9:36 PM
1KIKI
Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.
Monday, July 1, 2019 10:16 PM
Quote:Originally posted by 1kiki: And if democrats don't do anything different, how are they any better? tic tac
Monday, July 1, 2019 10:24 PM
Monday, July 1, 2019 10:49 PM
Quote:Originally posted by 1KIKI: Way to show us all how you only talk to the voices in your head, SECOND! And if democrats don't do anything different, how are they any better? tic tac
Monday, July 1, 2019 11:45 PM
Tuesday, July 2, 2019 5:23 AM
CAPTAINCRUNCH
... stay crunchy...
Quote:Originally posted by second: Will making the GOP a minority in the Senate fix America? No, not until you fix American voters, too.
Tuesday, July 2, 2019 5:40 AM
Quote:Originally posted by second: https://peteforamerica.com/issues/#Democracy
Tuesday, July 2, 2019 6:44 AM
Quote:Originally posted by 1KIKI: Pete is an intelligent, articulate debater. I don't know how deep his rhetoric goes. And he gave short shrift to my two issues. I would have to hear more before I figure out if he's likely to shift his focus from the mayoral to the global, as I think these crises demand.
Tuesday, July 2, 2019 6:58 AM
Quote:Originally posted by captaincrunch: Quote:Originally posted by second: Will making the GOP a minority in the Senate fix America? No, not until you fix American voters, too. In other words: we're screwed. Thank you for putting a big chunk of the responsibility and blame on the backs of voters. They get a pass all too often. It is similar to how we need to shine the light on Consumers, and why much of our current money grubbing and wasteful landscape is the result of their own ignorance and greed. We've inspired me to update a quote: "The only problem with Democracy is that you get the government you deserve."
Tuesday, July 2, 2019 7:58 AM
Quote:Originally posted by SECOND: So are you impressed with Pete Buttigieg?
Quote:Originally posted by SECOND: You are too focused on one office, and it is the wrong one at that.
Tuesday, July 2, 2019 8:04 AM
Tuesday, July 2, 2019 8:10 AM
Quote:Originally posted by 1KIKI: Quote:Originally posted by SECOND: So are you impressed with Pete Buttigieg? Quote:Originally posted by SECOND: You are too focused on one office, and it is the wrong one at that. No, YOU are too focused on one office. Unless you're also ignorant of the fact that 'Mayor Pete' is running for president (along with being ignorant of the fact that he's a democrat). And if democrats don't do anything different, how are they any better? tic tac
Tuesday, July 2, 2019 8:15 AM
Quote: Originally posted by 1KIKI: No, YOU are too focused on one office. Unless you're also ignorant of the fact that 'Mayor Pete' is running for president (along with being ignorant of the fact that he's a democrat).
Tuesday, July 2, 2019 8:35 AM
Quote:Originally posted by 1KIKI: Quote:Originally posted by SECOND: So are you impressed with Pete Buttigieg? Quote:Originally posted by SECOND: You are too focused on one office, and it is the wrong one at that. Quote: Originally posted by 1KIKI: No, YOU are too focused on one office. Unless you're also ignorant of the fact that 'Mayor Pete' is running for president (along with being ignorant of the fact that he's a democrat). And if democrats don't do anything different, how are they any better? tic tac
Tuesday, July 2, 2019 8:52 AM
Tuesday, July 2, 2019 9:03 AM
Tuesday, July 2, 2019 11:08 AM
SIGNYM
I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.
Quote:The White House may change hands, but the Republicans don't get kicked out of the Federal government, Republican generals are not forced to retire, and the Republicans don't lose the power to stop the Democrats.
Tuesday, July 2, 2019 2:18 PM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: Quote:The White House may change hands, but the Republicans don't get kicked out of the Federal government, Republican generals are not forced to retire, and the Republicans don't lose the power to stop the Democrats. Ah. SECOND discovers the "deep state" but mistakes it for Republicans in the Pentagon. Do you know, SECOND, that Obama fired 197 military officers over 5 years? https://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/197-military-officers-purged-by-obama/ The President can do that, you know, as Commander-in-Chief, so there's no use whinging about the Pentagon. And between 2008-2016 the Pentagon acquired a very pro-Obama flavor, so whatever ills you think the Pentagon may have committed since 2008, you can pin that one on Obama.
Tuesday, July 2, 2019 2:40 PM
Quote:Originally posted by SECOND: If Obama had fired 500 of those worthless generals and admirals, it would not have been too many.
Tuesday, July 2, 2019 7:39 PM
Quote:Originally posted by 1KIKI: Quote:Originally posted by SECOND: If Obama had fired 500 of those worthless generals and admirals, it would not have been too many. Perhaps you're too focused on one office. And if democrats don't do anything different, how are they any better? tic tac
Tuesday, July 2, 2019 10:57 PM
Quote:Originally posted by 1KIKI: Perhaps you're too focused on one office.
Quote:Originally posted by SECOND: something or other
Wednesday, July 3, 2019 7:25 AM
Quote:Originally posted by 1KIKI: fify SECOND, YOU are the one who claims I'm hyper-focused on one office. Me, I barely post about Trump, or indeed any president, unless I'm discussing a salient thing they did using the power of their office: for example, Obama, with the stroke of a pen, crowning himself Deporter in Chief, or FDR using the power of the bully pulpit. Shall we talk about your hundreds, if not a thousand or more, pointless posts hyper-focused on Trump?
Wednesday, July 3, 2019 7:46 AM
Wednesday, July 3, 2019 11:24 AM
Quote:Originally posted by SECOND: The Federal government does a million things per day, but who in the government did each one of those things?
Wednesday, July 3, 2019 12:08 PM
Quote:Originally posted by 1KIKI: And yet Obama and FDR did those things, despite your confabulations to pretend they didn't. And if democrats don't do anything different, how are they any better? tic tac
Wednesday, July 3, 2019 1:59 PM
Quote:Originally posted by SECOND: I have doubts that you will ever understand that Democratic Presidents are restrained in what they can do by what the Constitution will allow, while guys like Trump and Nixon have got their own little area that they move freely around in and it is smaller and only partially overlaps the one in the Constitution.
Thursday, July 4, 2019 5:31 AM
Thursday, July 4, 2019 5:57 AM
Quote:Originally posted by 1KIKI: Let's get specific with two close-in-time presidents, under the same operational frameworks and Constitutional decisions: What did Bush do OUTSIDE OF THE CONSTITUTION that Obama didn't?
Thursday, July 4, 2019 2:43 PM
Quote:Originally posted by 1KIKI: I'd like to see you try to make that case, SECOND. It's easy to pretend you have knowledge by pretending to be superior - harder to prove it, with quotes and links. Let's get specific with two close-in-time presidents, under the same operational frameworks and Constitutional decisions: What did Bush do OUTSIDE OF THE CONSTITUTION that Obama didn't?
Thursday, July 4, 2019 3:34 PM
Thursday, July 4, 2019 3:35 PM
Friday, July 5, 2019 7:06 AM
Quote:Originally posted by 1kiki: So, I made a list off the top of my head about things that might be unconstitutional mass data collection of Americans drone-killing Americans w/out a trial torture SECOND has submitted starting wars without Congressional declaration I'm going to mull on this but I hope others add to the list.
Friday, July 5, 2019 12:00 PM
Friday, July 5, 2019 12:21 PM
Quote:Originally posted by SECOND: Until the Supreme Court makes a ruling, any action by the President is in a quantum superposition of constitutional/unconstitutional.
Friday, July 5, 2019 3:14 PM
Quote:Originally posted by 1kiki: So you're saying no presidents do anything outside of the Constitution, because - it's in a legal quantum state?? Is that your claim NOW? I'm glad to see you argued yourself out of your biased impression of democratic v republican presidents. But if I read you trying to again make ANY point about constitutionality, I'll just refer you back to yourself http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=61954&mid=1078593#1078593 , and you can have a fun time arguing yourself in circles.
Friday, July 5, 2019 4:06 PM
Quote:Originally posted by SECOND: That has left America where it is today: the President doesn't know what the hell is Constitutional or not.
Wednesday, July 10, 2019 6:56 AM
Thursday, July 11, 2019 8:39 AM
Saturday, July 13, 2019 7:56 AM
Saturday, July 13, 2019 8:44 AM
Saturday, July 13, 2019 9:27 AM
Tuesday, July 16, 2019 10:04 PM
Wednesday, July 17, 2019 7:06 AM
Wednesday, July 17, 2019 9:54 AM
THG
Quote:Originally posted by Oonjerah: I'm an actual, registered Democrat. But I'm not sure what the topic is. Democrats can post in here, and talk about themselves ... about why they are democrats ... or what democrats believe in? My parents were Republicans. I was an adult in my 40's before I found out I was a democrat. I didn't really know what the 2 parties stood for, so I asked a friend who loves politics what I was. Republicans tend to be conservative. Democrats tend to be liberal. Can I even say what those words mean? Not very well. Conservatives stand for law & order. i.e., Authority. Democrats believe in human rights and equality. i.e., Freedom. Anarchists believe in every man for himself? ... oooOO}{OOooo ...
Wednesday, July 17, 2019 11:19 AM
Wednesday, July 17, 2019 12:06 PM
Wednesday, July 17, 2019 12:07 PM
Quote:Originally posted by second: I’m struck at how many people have come up to me recently and said, “Trump’s going to get re-elected, isn’t he?” And in each case, when I drilled down to ask why, I bumped into the Democratic presidential debates in June. I think a lot of Americans were shocked by some of the things they heard there. I was. Dear Democrats: This is not complicated! Just nominate a decent, sane person, one committed to reunifying the country and creating more good jobs, a person who can gain the support of the independents, moderate Republicans and suburban women who abandoned Donald Trump in the midterms and thus swung the House of Representatives to the Democrats and could do the same for the presidency. And that candidate can win! But please, spare me the revolution! It can wait. Win the presidency, hold the House and narrow the spread in the Senate, and a lot of good things still can be accomplished. “No,” you say, “the left wants a revolution now!” O.K., I’ll give the left a revolution now: four more years of Donald Trump. That will be a revolution. More at www.nytimes.com/2019/07/16/opinion/trump-2020.html
Wednesday, July 17, 2019 12:10 PM
Quote:Originally posted by second: There’s a reason conservative media focuses relentlessly on Ocasio-Cortez, and to a lesser but still disproportionate extent, Tlaib and Omar. Vilifying nonwhite, female members of Congress electrifies their audience is a way that vilifying, say, Rep. Richard Neal, the powerful but bland chair of the House Ways and Means Committee, does not. The strategy of Fox News and much of the conservative media is to activate white threat in a browning America. Elevating and demonizing extremely liberal, nonwhite, young, female politicians is one way they do it. This is what House Democratic leadership fears: that Ocasio-Cortez and the Squad, through their dominance of social media and their centrality on conservative media, will become the faces of the House Democratic majority. Centering American politics on the rising power of unapologetically liberal, young, nonwhite politicians is the right’s best hope for holding power: As reams of research show, when white Americans believe themselves losing demographic and political control of the country, they become far more conservative.
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