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Mueller Investigation Is Over / Part two are the trials. Hey Jack, I Was Right. 20 Plus Russians Charged, 19 Of Trumps People Convicted of Felonies.

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Wednesday, March 27, 2019 10:56 AM

CAPTAINCRUNCH

... stay crunchy...


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Colbert sends an apology for being wrong:
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Hilarious.



You've got a post to reply to in the other thread.

Don't ignore it, lest we add that to the amount of times you've been owned and ran away.




You seem to be in a hurry to see your little pinhead get pwned again.

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Wednesday, March 27, 2019 12:00 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Trolls seem to have derailed yet another thread. Such mindless bickering, like they are imploding.

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Wednesday, March 27, 2019 12:04 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
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Originally posted by second:
Please don't pay attention to Trump accusing Democrats of treason, a crime for which they can be executed.


Despite how many times that very word was used to describe Trump, nobody paid attention to anybody in these very forums that said it.

You Democrats are on a roll. First racist, nazi and misogynist. Now you might actually have stripped the word treason of any of its meaning as well.

Congrats on destroying public discourse, right down to the very definition of the words we speak.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

Trolls say that words with definitions are Old-speak, outdated, for folk in the past. Words mean whatever they decide they mean, retroactively.
Don't be so close-minded, you Old Fogey.

And, much like the King of Trolls stated, spelling is an App.

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Wednesday, March 27, 2019 12:38 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


This analysis concludes that Mueller knew there was no conspiracy before the midterms.

Https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-03-27/how-long-did-mueller-know-th
ere-was-no-trump-russia-collusion


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Wednesday, March 27, 2019 12:55 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.




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Wednesday, March 27, 2019 12:55 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.



Russiagate hysteria has ushered in a “dark period” for mainstream journalism, Wikileaks’ editor-in-chief told RT, adding that in a just world, the countless journalists who peddled the Russia collusion theory would be out of work.
Speaking to Going Underground host Afshin Rattansi, Kristinn Hrafnsson noted that within twenty-four hours of Hillary Clinton’s “humiliating” defeat in the 2016 election, “Russia became the entity that everything should be blamed on.” But with Robert Mueller’s special investigation ending with a collusion-less murmur, it’s difficult to imagine how journalism will ever recover from two years of Russiagate howling, Hrafnsson said.

We’ve had this frenzy in the media, an absolutely neo-McCarthyist era which is a total humiliation for journalism. Who has gained? I can tell you who has lost. Journalism in general has lost. This is an extremely dark period for mainstream media, especially in the United States and for those who cater to that market.


Insisting that the endless reams of anonymously-sourced collusion “scoops” amount to journalistic malpractice that far surpasses the Iraq WMD fiasco, the Wikileaks editor-in-chief expressed amazement that there has been little to no professional ramifications for reporters who bought into the baseless conspiracy.

I have no idea how the mainstream media, who were most active in this Russiagate frenzy, will recover. I simply don’t see that happening. In a normal world, a lot of journalists would be emptying their desks today.

He singled out Guardian reporter Luke Harding, who once called Wikileaks a “useful idiot” for Russia, and was behind a highly-controversial story published in November which alleged that former Trump campaign manager Paul Manafort had made several visits to Julian Assange at the Ecuadorian Embassy in London. Wikileaks is currently suing The Guardian over the uncorroborated story.

“Who’s the idiot?” Hrafnsson asked. “Luke Harding published a book called ‘Collusion’ where he maintains that there had been collusion and that Wikileaks was in the midst of it. But his own paper is now printing front page stories telling him that he was wrong. I mean, does he still have a job at the Guardian?

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Wednesday, March 27, 2019 2:19 PM

THG


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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
I refuse to take a ride on Second's crazy train here.

Besides, there's nothing more to say that JSF hasn't said after my piece.

Have fun with your impeachment, losers.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

After you, JewelStaiteFan posted 4 times. None of the 4 rise even to the level of fortune cookie "wisdom":

1) Maybe you could run it through spellcheck before making it signature. No need to have a laps in your potaters.

2) Quoted for posterity, logic fail included.

3) Funny how many of those wacko losers in the brackets are the exacts sources of quotes by the Trolls here who do not accept real, reliable, accurate News sources.

4) Trolls say that words with definitions are Old-speak, outdated, for folk in the past. Words mean whatever they decide they mean, retroactively.
Don't be so close-minded, you Old Fogey.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly



This is what happens with schizophrenics. Thought disorders involve difficulty putting cohesive thoughts together or making sense. We see this all the time in JSF's posts.

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Wednesday, March 27, 2019 3:32 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


And finally, the last and possibly most important result of the Russia gate hoax: Internet censorship.

Democrats, the compliant legacy media, and, most importantly, platform providers/internet publishers were quick to call for a culling of alternate viewpoints on the basis that it was "Russian propaganda". "Prop or not".

Twitter, Facebook, YouTube and Google were quick to deplatform, demonetize, or shadowban people who did not echo the RUSSIA!!RUSSIA!!RUSSIA!!! hysteria. Of all of the effects of this hoax, this may be the most pernicious and difficult to reverse.

So, for two years we have been treated to a targeted investigation which

Was based on an unverified "dossier" and illegal FISA warrants and carried out by a politicized FBI and CIA and DOJ, leading to loss of confidence in the objectivity of these agencies.

Involved foreign governments (primarily British MI6 but also Malta and Ukraine) who meddled in a USA election

Stampeded a large part of the population into believing that RUSSIA!!! is a mortal enemy and that Trump is a Russian puppet

Ruined any chance of normalizing relations with Russia and withdrawing our troops at least from Syria and the Mideast

Affected the midterm elections

Exposed the legacy media as lying whores who peddle fake news

Enabled censorship of alternate media/ viewpoints and stifled freedom of speech because of paranoia over "Russian propaganda"

The "Mueller Investigation" may be over but - just like the WMD hoax - its effects will go on and on.

*****

It has taken some people YEARS to accept that they were fooled by the "WMD" hoax, and to finally get over its emotional tug. I hope that those people have learned that the media engages in bald-faced lying. I can only hope that others will eventually come to accept the lessons of this latest hoax, stop reverberating emotionally from this deliberate propaganda campaign, and view the M$M and social media with appropriate skepticism.



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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND

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Wednesday, March 27, 2019 3:51 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
And finally, the last and possibly most important result of the Russia gate hoax: Internet censorship.

Democrats, the compliant legacy media, and, most importantly, platform providers/internet publishers were quick to call for a culling of alternate viewpoints on the basis that it was "Russian propaganda". "Prop or not".

Twitter, Facebook, YouTube and Google were quick to deplatform, demonetize, or shadowban people who did not echo the RUSSIA!!RUSSIA!!RUSSIA!!! hysteria. Of all of the effects of this hoax, this may be the most pernicious and difficult to reverse.


So, for two years we have been treated to a targeted investigation which

Was based on an unverified "dossier" and illegal FISA warrants and carried out by a politicized FBI and CIA and DOJ, leading to loss of confidence in the objectivity of these agencies.

Involved foreign governments (primarily British MI6 but also Malta and Ukraine) who meddled in a USA election

Stampeded a large part of the population into believing that RUSSIA!!! is a mortal enemy and that Trump is a Russian puppet

Ruined any chance of normalizing relations with Russia and withdrawing our troops at least from Syria and the Mideast

Affected the midterm elections

Exposed the legacy media as lying whores who peddle fake news

Enabled censorship of alternate media/ viewpoints and stifled freedom of speech because of paranoia over "Russian propaganda"


The "Mueller Investigation" may be over but - just like the WMD hoax - its effects will go on and on.

*****

It has taken some people YEARS to accept that they were fooled by the "WMD" hoax, and to finally get over its emotional tug. I hope that those people have learned that the media engages in bald-faced lying. I can only hope that others will eventually come to accept the lessons of this latest hoax, stop reverberating emotionally from this deliberate propaganda campaign, and view the M$M and social media with appropriate skepticism.

This might be post of the Week.
Specifying the internet endorsement and enforcement of their delusion.
Penultimate surrealism?
Kafka?
1984?
Brazil?

Has this made us attain a Dystopian Society in our own time?
Be sure to sign those privacy waivers, tho.

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Wednesday, March 27, 2019 4:04 PM

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The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two


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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
This analysis concludes that Mueller knew there was no conspiracy before the midterms.

Https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-03-27/how-long-did-mueller-know-th
ere-was-no-trump-russia-collusion

Your article mentions conspiracy and collusion. Too bad for you, but neither of those words did Mueller give a damn about.

So where the heck did the term 'collusion' come from? From Manaford and Junior.

On July 22, 2016, the Washington Examiner reported that Paul Manafort and Donald Trump Jr “vigorously denied any kind of collusion between Trump Sr. and the Russian president.”

The word “collusion” came from Manafort and Trump Jr.
It’s probably here to stay, despite its being a legal non sequitur.
www.lawfareblog.com/where-heck-did-term-collusion-come

If Mueller wasn’t looking for “collusion”, what was he looking for?

“A full and thorough investigation of the Russian government’s efforts to interfere in the 2016 presidential election”
www.documentcloud.org/documents/3726408-Rosenstein-letter-appointing-M
ueller-special.html


Did Mueller find any Russians, as he was requested to look into? Yes, he did:

Russian or related individuals and entities charged

In February 2018, the special counsel charged 13 Russians and three Russian entities with conspiring to defraud the United States and interfere with the 2016 presidential election. Mueller targeted the Internet Research Agency, a Kremlin-linked company that engages in influence operations and aimed to spread distrust toward candidates and the American political system. By mid 2016, the Internet Research Agency had established a strategy of supporting Trump’s candidacy and disparaging Clinton.

In July 2018, the special counsel indicted an additional 12 Russian intelligence officers for their role in the hacking of the Democratic National Committee, the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee and the Clinton campaign, and leaking of emails and documents.

The special counsel also charged Richard Pinedo, a California resident, with identity fraud. Pinedo sold bank account numbers over the internet to the Russians. His lawyer said he had no connection to Trump and was unaware that customers were involved in the Russia influence operation. Pinedo pleaded guilty and was sentenced to six months in prison in October 2018.

Maria Butina, a Russian living in the United States, pleaded guilty to conspiring to act as an illegal foreign agent in December 2018. Butina has been accused of trying to infiltrate Republican power circles by reaching out through conservative groups such as the National Rifle Association. The indictment doesn’t mention Trump, although the New York Times reported that she tried to help broker a secret meeting with Trump and Putin during the 2016 campaign. Butina was prosecuted by the U.S. Attorney’s Office in D.C. and not Mueller; however, she is cooperating with the Mueller investigation and in February federal prosecutors sought to delay her sentencing.
www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2019/mar/25/who-has-already-b
een-indicted-russia-investigation
/

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Wednesday, March 27, 2019 4:04 PM

THG


Shoo comrade trolls, shoo

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Wednesday, March 27, 2019 4:08 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
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As the MSM pretends we all have goldfish brains and can't remember that they spent the last two years convicting Donald Trump in the court of public opinion, the New York Post is out with "Mueller Madness" brackets to determine who in the media takes the cake for the peddling the most fiction.

The president’s haters no doubt wish to memory-hole collusion and move on to the next anti-Trump theory. But not so fast: We want to laurel the punditry “champion” — the one who peddled the most nonsensical nonsense, the wildest inanities, the weirdest theories and unsubstantiated stories.

That’s where your brackets come in.

Our contenders are divided into four groups (not unlike NCAA conferences): the print journalists, the cable TV talkers, the Twitterati and the network news reporters and “analysts.” And the brackets are seeded, with the most visible and influential figures contending against the lesser-known.






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Funny how many of those wacko losers in the brackets are the exacts sources of quotes by the Trolls here who do not accept real, reliable, accurate News sources.

I should admit, it is a little bewildering that there are higher Seeds than C@ckholsters Kimmel/Colbert.
Glad I managed to avoid all those Fake News outlets.

Also, is it discriminatory that only fat ugly women are allowed on that bracket? Are we to infer that all fat ugly women are stupid, ignorant, Evil?

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Wednesday, March 27, 2019 4:20 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


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Originally posted by second:
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
This analysis concludes that Mueller knew there was no conspiracy before the midterms.

Https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-03-27/how-long-did-mueller-know-th
ere-was-no-trump-russia-collusion

Your article mentions conspiracy and collusion. Too bad for you, but neither of those words did Mueller give damn about.

So where the heck did the term 'collusion' come from? From Manaford and Junior.

On July 22, 2016, the Washington Examiner reported that Paul Manafort and Donald Trump Jr “vigorously denied any kind of collusion between Trump Sr. and the Russian president.”

The word “collusion” came from Manafort and Trump Jr.
It’s probably here to stay, despite its being a legal non sequitur.
www.lawfareblog.com/where-heck-did-term-collusion-come

If Mueller wasn’t looking for “collusion”, what was he looking for?

“A full and thorough investigation of the Russian government’s efforts to interfere in the 2016 presidential election”
www.documentcloud.org/documents/3726408-Rosenstein-letter-appointing-M
ueller-special.html


Did Mueller find any Russians, as he was requested to look into? Yes, he did:

Russian or related individuals and entities charged

In February 2018, the special counsel charged 13 Russians and three Russian entities with conspiring to defraud the United States and interfere with the 2016 presidential election. Mueller targeted the Internet Research Agency, a Kremlin-linked company that engages in influence operations and aimed to spread distrust toward candidates and the American political system. By mid 2016, the Internet Research Agency had established a strategy of supporting Trump’s candidacy and disparaging Clinton.

In July 2018, the special counsel indicted an additional 12 Russian intelligence officers for their role in the hacking of the Democratic National Committee, the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee and the Clinton campaign, and leaking of emails and documents.

The special counsel also charged Richard Pinedo, a California resident, with identity fraud. Pinedo sold bank account numbers over the internet to the Russians. His lawyer said he had no connection to Trump and was unaware that customers were involved in the Russia influence operation. Pinedo pleaded guilty and was sentenced to six months in prison in October 2018.

Maria Butina, a Russian living in the United States, pleaded guilty to conspiring to act as an illegal foreign agent in December 2018. Butina has been accused of trying to infiltrate Republican power circles by reaching out through conservative groups such as the National Rifle Association. The indictment doesn’t mention Trump, although the New York Times reported that she tried to help broker a secret meeting with Trump and Putin during the 2016 campaign. Butina was prosecuted by the U.S. Attorney’s Office in D.C. and not Mueller; however, she is cooperating with the Mueller investigation and in February federal prosecutors sought to delay her sentencing.
www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2019/mar/25/who-has-already-b
een-indicted-russia-investigation
/

Quoting this Epic Failure. Yes, this was really posted in this thread, not quoted from Troll Threads of the past 2 years.

Russian Government is now defined as 13 nobodies in EurAsia that Mueller's team could not even offer the flimsiest of responses to in court. Plus a dude in California, Republic of Moscow.

And relying upon the gullibility of anybody who still could believe that Hilliary's emails were "hacked" - or Podesta wasn't just plain stupid.

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Wednesday, March 27, 2019 4:34 PM

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The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two


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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:

Quoting this Epic Failure.

Russian Government is now defined as 13 nobodies in EurAsia that Mueller's team could not even offer the flimsiest of responses to in court. Plus a dude in California, Republic of Moscow.

And relying upon the gullibility of anybody who still could believe that Hilliary's emails were "hacked" - or Podesta wasn't just plain stupid.

Take a note, JewelStaiteFan: Trump did not ask Putin to send these Russians to the USA for trial. Trump's State Department did not ask, either. Mueller cannot do it. It has to be Trump, but he did nothing. He never explained why not. It's weird, like Trump refusing to show his tax returns. What makes Trump think doing nothing is right?

www.justice.gov/file/1080281/download
www.justice.gov/file/1035477/download

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Wednesday, March 27, 2019 6:02 PM

RUE

I have a vote and I'm not afraid to use it!


Jeeze, you RUSSIA!!!RUSSIA!!!RUSSIA!!! dupes sure have your panties in a twist. Post after post after page of howling and raving. Give it a rest, already.

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Wednesday, March 27, 2019 6:49 PM

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The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two


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Originally posted by rue:
Jeeze, you RUSSIA!!!RUSSIA!!!RUSSIA!!! dupes sure have your panties in a twist. Post after post after page of howling and raving. Give it a rest, already.

Rosenstein asked Mueller for “a full and thorough investigation of the Russian government’s efforts to interfere in the 2016 presidential election.”
www.documentcloud.org/documents/3726408-Rosenstein-letter-appointing-M
ueller-special.html


Mueller indicted dozens of Russians for crimes related to the election, following Rosenstein's instructions.
www.justice.gov/file/1035477/download
www.justice.gov/file/1080281/download

Trump tweeted “Witch Hunt” hundreds of times. He was no help to Mueller, but it didn’t rise to the level of obstruction of justice because Trump is an ineffective President.
www.trumptwitterarchive.com/archive/Witch%20Hunt

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Wednesday, March 27, 2019 7:37 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!



So, Colbert mocks the hell out of Trump for things Trump never did, then mocks him for celebrating after 2+ years of a FAKE investigation and being hammered and ridiculed by everyone - including Collbert himself. And these cockwombles fabricated this ' treason ' hoax in the first place, so hell YEAH Trump is gonna shove it in their tiny little faces !

WTAF ??

Made it through 2 minutes of this 9 minute video. FF to the part where Colbert actually admits that yes, he was wrong, and he's sorry for insulting the President w/ regards to his relationship to Putin ?

TIA.


If it weren't for Jessie Smollett, Colbert would take home the prize for worst apology of the year.

Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

I'm just a red pill guy in a room full of blue pill addicts.

" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall

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Wednesday, March 27, 2019 7:50 PM

RUE

I have a vote and I'm not afraid to use it!


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The Special Counsel is then authorized to
Hmmm . what IS Mueller authorized to do?
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conduct the investigation authorized by the FBI-Director James B. Comey in testimony before the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence on March 20, 2017*, including

(i) any links and/or coordination between the Russian government and individuals assiciated with the campaign of President Donald Trump; and

that was a wash
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(ii) any matters that arose or may arise directly from the investigation; and
all those unrelated fraud and 'process' charges
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(iii) any other matters within the scope of 28 CFR §600.4(a)**



* https://www.fbi.gov/news/testimony/hpsci-hearing-titled-russian-active
-measures-investigation

* https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2017/03/20/full-t
ranscript-fbi-director-james-comey-testifies-on-russian-interference-in-2016-election
/

** https://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/28/600.4
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§ 600.4 Jurisdiction.

(a)Original jurisdiction. The jurisdiction of a Special Counsel shall be established by the Attorney General. The Special Counsel will be provided with a specific factual statement of the matter to be investigated. The jurisdiction of a Special Counsel shall also include the authority to investigate and prosecute federal crimes committed in the course of, and with intent to interfere with, the Special Counsel's investigation, such as perjury, obstruction of justice, destruction of evidence, and intimidation of witnesses; and to conduct appeals arising out of the matter being investigated and/or prosecuted.



That's it. There is no 'there' there, in that vacuum you call your brain.

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Wednesday, March 27, 2019 8:14 PM

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The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two


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Originally posted by rue:
* * *

Manafort and Trump Jr came up with the idea that Mueller was investigating "collusion". He was not. Manafort and Trump Senior ran with the "collusion" description, but "collusion" means nothing to Mueller. Collusion is smoke spewed by Trump, who didn't want to talk about election law violations. Trump talked about everything, except election law. That's how Trump swings. The reporters followed Trump's description of what Mueller was doing. The reporters ignored Rosenstein's description of Mueller's task.
www.lawfareblog.com/where-heck-did-term-collusion-come

Barr, the Attorney General and loyal Republican and Trump appointee, is keeping the Mueller report secret for no good reason, other than Trump doesn't want to talk about election law violations. The Democrats ought to ignore Barr and start to investigate whatever they want, not wait around for months or years to learn precisely what loyal Republican Mueller did under orders from loyal Republican and Trump appointee Rosenstein.

The Democrats were talking about Trump's tax returns, but it is 3 months later and they haven't done a damn thing, probably because they hoped Mueller subpoenaed the returns. What if he did not? Why would he? He wouldn't.

With special counsel Robert Mueller's investigation into Russian interference in the 2016 election now over, some House Democrats are getting increasingly antsy about efforts to get a look at President Donald Trump's tax returns.

"It's long past time" to get Trump's returns, Democratic Texas Rep. Lloyd Doggett, a member of the Ways and Means Committee, told CNN's Lauren Fox and Ellie Kaufman on Tuesday. That sentiment was echoed by New Jersey Rep. Bill Pascrell, another Ways and Means Democrat who has been outspoken about his frustration that committee chair Rep. Richard Neal (Massachusetts) has not yet set the wheels in motion on obtaining Trump's taxes.

www.cnn.com/2019/03/26/politics/trump-tax-returns-richard-neal/index.h
tml




The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Wednesday, March 27, 2019 9:07 PM

RUE

I have a vote and I'm not afraid to use it!




Quote:

The Special Counsel is then authorized to
Hmmm . what IS Mueller authorized to do?
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conduct the investigation authorized by the FBI-Director James B. Comey in testimony before the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence on March 20, 2017*, including

(i) any links and/or coordination between the Russian government and individuals associated with the campaign of President Donald Trump; and

that was a wash
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(ii) any matters that arose or may arise directly from the investigation; and
all those unrelated fraud and 'process' charges
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(iii) any other matters within the scope of 28 CFR §600.4(a)**



* https://www.fbi.gov/news/testimony/hpsci-hearing-titled-russian-active
-measures-investigation

* https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2017/03/20/full-t
ranscript-fbi-director-james-comey-testifies-on-russian-interference-in-2016-election
/

** https://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/28/600.4
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§ 600.4 Jurisdiction.

(a)Original jurisdiction. The jurisdiction of a Special Counsel shall be established by the Attorney General. The Special Counsel will be provided with a specific factual statement of the matter to be investigated. The jurisdiction of a Special Counsel shall also include the authority to investigate and prosecute federal crimes committed in the course of, and with intent to interfere with, the Special Counsel's investigation, such as perjury, obstruction of justice, destruction of evidence, and intimidation of witnesses; and to conduct appeals arising out of the matter being investigated and/or prosecuted.



That's it. There is no 'there' there, in that vacuum you call your brain.

"not wait around for months or years to learn precisely what loyal Republican Mueller did under orders from loyal Republican and Trump appointee Rosenstein."

Poor butt-hurt you. You were SO sure Mueller was going to be the end pf the Trump presidency. He was going to be your savior. What a bitter end to such a delusional hope based on that fantastical story you swallowed. Now you have to pretend that everybody is in on the pro-Trump fix. Because you just can't admit you were wrong.

There were no "links and/or coordination between the Russian government and individuals associated with the campaign of President Donald Trump".

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Originally posted by rue:
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The Special Counsel is then authorized to
Hmmm . what IS Mueller authorized to do?
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conduct the investigation authorized by the FBI-Director James B. Comey in testimony before the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence on March 20, 2017*, including

(i) any links and/or coordination between the Russian government and individuals assiciated with the campaign of President Donald Trump; and

that was a wash
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(ii) any matters that arose or may arise directly from the investigation; and
all those unrelated fraud and 'process' charges
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(iii) any other matters within the scope of 28 CFR §600.4(a)**



* https://www.fbi.gov/news/testimony/hpsci-hearing-titled-russian-active
-measures-investigation

* https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2017/03/20/full-t
ranscript-fbi-director-james-comey-testifies-on-russian-interference-in-2016-election
/

** https://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/28/600.4
Quote:

§ 600.4 Jurisdiction.

(a)Original jurisdiction. The jurisdiction of a Special Counsel shall be established by the Attorney General. The Special Counsel will be provided with a specific factual statement of the matter to be investigated. The jurisdiction of a Special Counsel shall also include the authority to investigate and prosecute federal crimes committed in the course of, and with intent to interfere with, the Special Counsel's investigation, such as perjury, obstruction of justice, destruction of evidence, and intimidation of witnesses; and to conduct appeals arising out of the matter being investigated and/or prosecuted.


That's it. There is no 'there' there, in that vacuum you call your brain.

Are you able to find a way to convolute 28 CFR 600.4(a) to include discrepancies incurred before the onset, whether days or decades prior?

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Thursday, March 28, 2019 12:06 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
And finally, the last and possibly most important result of the Russia gate hoax: Internet censorship.

Democrats, the compliant legacy media, and, most importantly, platform providers/internet publishers were quick to call for a culling of alternate viewpoints on the basis that it was "Russian propaganda". "Prop or not".

Twitter, Facebook, YouTube and Google were quick to deplatform, demonetize, or shadowban people who did not echo the RUSSIA!!RUSSIA!!RUSSIA!!! hysteria. Of all of the effects of this hoax, this may be the most pernicious and difficult to reverse.


So, for two years we have been treated to a targeted investigation which

Was based on an unverified "dossier" and illegal FISA warrants and carried out by a politicized FBI and CIA and DOJ, leading to loss of confidence in the objectivity of these agencies.

Involved foreign governments (primarily British MI6 but also Malta and Ukraine) who meddled in a USA election

Stampeded a large part of the population into believing that RUSSIA!!! is a mortal enemy and that Trump is a Russian puppet

Ruined any chance of normalizing relations with Russia and withdrawing our troops at least from Syria and the Mideast

Affected the midterm elections

Exposed the legacy media as lying whores who peddle fake news

Enabled censorship of alternate media/ viewpoints and stifled freedom of speech because of paranoia over "Russian propaganda"


The "Mueller Investigation" may be over but - just like the WMD hoax - its effects will go on and on.

*****

It has taken some people YEARS to accept that they were fooled by the "WMD" hoax, and to finally get over its emotional tug. I hope that those people have learned that the media engages in bald-faced lying. I can only hope that others will eventually come to accept the lessons of this latest hoax, stop reverberating emotionally from this deliberate propaganda campaign, and view the M$M and social media with appropriate skepticism.

This might be post of the Week.
Specifying the internet endorsement and enforcement of their delusion.
Penultimate surrealism?
Kafka?
1984?
Brazil?

Has this made us attain a Dystopian Society in our own time?
Be sure to sign those privacy waivers, tho.

Now that MSM needs to pivot to another quasi-pseudo-scandal, it should just be referred to as the random Trumped up Fake News Du jour.

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Thursday, March 28, 2019 1:52 AM

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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
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As the MSM pretends we all have goldfish brains and can't remember that they spent the last two years convicting Donald Trump in the court of public opinion, the New York Post is out with "Mueller Madness" brackets to determine who in the media takes the cake for the peddling the most fiction.

The president’s haters no doubt wish to memory-hole collusion and move on to the next anti-Trump theory. But not so fast: We want to laurel the punditry “champion” — the one who peddled the most nonsensical nonsense, the wildest inanities, the weirdest theories and unsubstantiated stories.

That’s where your brackets come in.

Our contenders are divided into four groups (not unlike NCAA conferences): the print journalists, the cable TV talkers, the Twitterati and the network news reporters and “analysts.” And the brackets are seeded, with the most visible and influential figures contending against the lesser-known.






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Funny how many of those wacko losers in the brackets are the exacts sources of quotes by the Trolls here who do not accept real, reliable, accurate News sources.

I should admit, it is a little bewildering that there are higher Seeds than C@ckholsters Kimmel/Colbert.
Glad I managed to avoid all those Fake News outlets.

Also, is it discriminatory that only fat ugly women are allowed on that bracket? Are we to infer that all fat ugly women are stupid, ignorant, Evil?
And how is it that Brit Twit Corden doesn't even make the bracket?

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Thursday, March 28, 2019 2:20 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Quote:

...
Specifying the internet endorsement and enforcement of their delusion.
Penultimate surrealism?
Kafka?
1984?
Brazil?



You saw Brazil??? I think I saw it when it first came out - that must have been over 30 years ago, before dear daughter was born - and it's stuck with me ever since, One of thoe movies, once you've seen it you can never unsee it...

people driving along a road lined with forest scenery and behind the plywood walls ecological devastation ...

a television store's multiple TV screens with a newcaster repeating the government news that the guerillas/terrorists have all be brought uner control ... right before the store is blown up ...

His mother's "complications of her complications" as her plastic surgeries go further and further awry ...

the torturer as he straightens up, power drill in hand, saying "He's gone" (or someting like that) ...

A movie you can't forget.

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Thursday, March 28, 2019 2:48 AM

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There was late breaking news that the Grand Jury was still very much operational.

"continuing robustly"

http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/legal-issues/mueller-grand-jury-co
ntinuing-robustly-as-us-prosecutors-take-over-subpoena-fight-with-foreign-state-owned-company/2019/03/27/5dbaed3e-50b7-11e9-8d28-f5149e5a2fda_story.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.4a9d32f061f2


Hmmmm, that was unexpected.


SGG


Quote:

Originally posted by second:
Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
This analysis concludes that Mueller knew there was no conspiracy before the midterms.

Https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-03-27/how-long-did-mueller-know-th
ere-was-no-trump-russia-collusion

Your article mentions conspiracy and collusion. Too bad for you, but neither of those words did Mueller give a damn about.

So where the heck did the term 'collusion' come from? From Manaford and Junior.

On July 22, 2016, the Washington Examiner reported that Paul Manafort and Donald Trump Jr “vigorously denied any kind of collusion between Trump Sr. and the Russian president.”

The word “collusion” came from Manafort and Trump Jr.
It’s probably here to stay, despite its being a legal non sequitur.
www.lawfareblog.com/where-heck-did-term-collusion-come

If Mueller wasn’t looking for “collusion”, what was he looking for?

“A full and thorough investigation of the Russian government’s efforts to interfere in the 2016 presidential election”
www.documentcloud.org/documents/3726408-Rosenstein-letter-appointing-M
ueller-special.html


Did Mueller find any Russians, as he was requested to look into? Yes, he did:

Russian or related individuals and entities charged

In February 2018, the special counsel charged 13 Russians and three Russian entities with conspiring to defraud the United States and interfere with the 2016 presidential election. Mueller targeted the Internet Research Agency, a Kremlin-linked company that engages in influence operations and aimed to spread distrust toward candidates and the American political system. By mid 2016, the Internet Research Agency had established a strategy of supporting Trump’s candidacy and disparaging Clinton.

In July 2018, the special counsel indicted an additional 12 Russian intelligence officers for their role in the hacking of the Democratic National Committee, the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee and the Clinton campaign, and leaking of emails and documents.

The special counsel also charged Richard Pinedo, a California resident, with identity fraud. Pinedo sold bank account numbers over the internet to the Russians. His lawyer said he had no connection to Trump and was unaware that customers were involved in the Russia influence operation. Pinedo pleaded guilty and was sentenced to six months in prison in October 2018.

Maria Butina, a Russian living in the United States, pleaded guilty to conspiring to act as an illegal foreign agent in December 2018. Butina has been accused of trying to infiltrate Republican power circles by reaching out through conservative groups such as the National Rifle Association. The indictment doesn’t mention Trump, although the New York Times reported that she tried to help broker a secret meeting with Trump and Putin during the 2016 campaign. Butina was prosecuted by the U.S. Attorney’s Office in D.C. and not Mueller; however, she is cooperating with the Mueller investigation and in February federal prosecutors sought to delay her sentencing.
www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2019/mar/25/who-has-already-b
een-indicted-russia-investigation
/

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly


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Thursday, March 28, 2019 4:21 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Quote:

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Jeeze, you RUSSIA!!!RUSSIA!!!RUSSIA!!! dupes sure have your panties in a twist. Post after post after page of howling and raving. Give it a rest, already.

No kidding!

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Thursday, March 28, 2019 4:28 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


I forgot one more ngative effect of this RUSSIA RUSSIA! hoax: It's sucked the oxygen out of the political-media sphere, and derailed the discussion of REAL problems. This isn't a problem for Trump's base but for liberal media and for the Democratic Party specifically. They wasted so much time and credibility on such a pointless topic that now that the rug has been pulled out from underneath them, it will take them some time to craft another winning message. Plus, the sudden change in topic risks making them look like liars and hypocrites to the approx one=third of Americans who see themselves as independant and not loyal to either party.

Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
And finally, the last and possibly most important result of the Russia gate hoax: Internet censorship.

Democrats, the compliant legacy media, and, most importantly, platform providers/internet publishers were quick to call for a culling of alternate viewpoints on the basis that it was "Russian propaganda". "Prop or not".

Twitter, Facebook, YouTube and Google were quick to deplatform, demonetize, or shadowban people who did not echo the RUSSIA!!RUSSIA!!RUSSIA!!! hysteria. Of all of the effects of this hoax, this may be the most pernicious and difficult to reverse.

So, for two years we have been treated to a targeted investigation which

Was based on an unverified "dossier" and illegal FISA warrants and carried out by a politicized FBI and CIA and DOJ, leading to loss of confidence in the objectivity of these agencies.

Involved foreign governments (primarily British MI6 but also Malta and Ukraine) who meddled in a USA election

Stampeded a large part of the population into believing that RUSSIA!!! is a mortal enemy and that Trump is a Russian puppet

Ruined any chance of normalizing relations with Russia and withdrawing our troops at least from Syria and the Mideast

Affected the midterm elections

Exposed the legacy media as lying whores who peddle fake news

Enabled censorship of alternate media/ viewpoints and stifled freedom of speech because of paranoia over "Russian propaganda"

The "Mueller Investigation" may be over but - just like the WMD hoax - its effects will go on and on.

*****

It has taken some people YEARS to accept that they were fooled by the "WMD" hoax, and to finally get over its emotional tug. I hope that those people have learned that the media engages in bald-faced lying. I can only hope that others will eventually come to accept the lessons of this latest hoax, stop reverberating emotionally from this deliberate propaganda campaign, and view the M$M and social media with appropriate skepticism.



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Thursday, March 28, 2019 4:28 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


I forgot one more ngative effect of this RUSSIA RUSSIA! hoax: It's sucked the oxygen out of the political-media sphere, and derailed the discussion of REAL problems. This isn't a problem for Trump's base but for liberal media and for the Democratic Party specifically. They wasted so much time and credibility on such a pointless topic that now that the rug has been pulled out from underneath them, it will take them some time to craft another winning message. Plus, the sudden change in topic risks making them look like liars and hypocrites to the approx one=third of Americans who see themselves as independant and not loyal to either party.

For the life of me, I can't imagine what the hell they were thinking. Political self-preservation didn't seem to prevent this debacle. They must have really believed that they could sell this to the American people en masse, just like they sell bad lons and crappy healthcare and pontless wars.


Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
And finally, the last and possibly most important result of the Russia gate hoax: Internet censorship.

Democrats, the compliant legacy media, and, most importantly, platform providers/internet publishers were quick to call for a culling of alternate viewpoints on the basis that it was "Russian propaganda". "Prop or not".

Twitter, Facebook, YouTube and Google were quick to deplatform, demonetize, or shadowban people who did not echo the RUSSIA!!RUSSIA!!RUSSIA!!! hysteria. Of all of the effects of this hoax, this may be the most pernicious and difficult to reverse.

So, for two years we have been treated to a targeted investigation which

Was based on an unverified "dossier" and illegal FISA warrants and carried out by a politicized FBI and CIA and DOJ, leading to loss of confidence in the objectivity of these agencies.

Involved foreign governments (primarily British MI6 but also Malta and Ukraine) who meddled in a USA election

Stampeded a large part of the population into believing that RUSSIA!!! is a mortal enemy and that Trump is a Russian puppet

Ruined any chance of normalizing relations with Russia and withdrawing our troops at least from Syria and the Mideast

Affected the midterm elections

Exposed the legacy media as lying whores who peddle fake news

Enabled censorship of alternate media/ viewpoints and stifled freedom of speech because of paranoia over "Russian propaganda"

The "Mueller Investigation" may be over but - just like the WMD hoax - its effects will go on and on.

*****

It has taken some people YEARS to accept that they were fooled by the "WMD" hoax, and to finally get over its emotional tug. I hope that those people have learned that the media engages in bald-faced lying. I can only hope that others will eventually come to accept the lessons of this latest hoax, stop reverberating emotionally from this deliberate propaganda campaign, and view the M$M and social media with appropriate skepticism.



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Thursday, March 28, 2019 6:40 AM

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The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two


Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:

it will take them some time to craft another winning message.

Pete Buttigieg is on a roll of late. And that extends to his spot-on analysis of why Democrats -- and Hillary Clinton in particular -- lost the 2016 election to President Donald Trump.

"We spent, I think, way too much time on our side talking about him," Buttigieg said in an interview with "The Breakfast Club," a New York City-based radio show, which ran Tuesday morning. "Our whole message was don't vote for him because he is terrible. And even because he is, that is not a message."

The rightness of Buttigieg's analysis speaks to his understanding of how voters think and the significant challenge that Trump still poses.

"I hate to say it, but Trump could absolutely win again," Buttigieg said. He's absolutely right.

www.cnn.com/2019/03/27/politics/pete-buttigieg-donald-trump-hillary-cl
inton/index.html


“The rightness of Buttigieg’s analysis speaks to his understanding of how voters think . . .” Some examples of voter thinking:

1) Trump owes hundreds of millions in back taxes. Democrat and Republican voters shrug it off as nothing.
www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/10/02/us/politics/donald-trump-tax-sc
hemes-fred-trump.html


2) What is Trump doing now? He continues to cheat on his taxes. That is shrugged off as nothing, too.
www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/trumpometer/promise/1421/rel
ease-his-tax-returns-after-audit-completed
/
www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-russia-taxes/cohen-trump-feared-a
udit-if-he-released-tax-returns-idUSKCN1QG2X7


3) Who will make Trump pay? Not the Supreme Court. Those people are slow. This week the Supreme Court required 5 months to decide in an 8 to 1 vote that hinged on the wrong address written on an envelope mailed with the USPS. The case has been running for 9 years and the Supreme Court has thrown it back to the very beginning. The Supreme Court justices are innumerate lawyers who won't comprehend the numbers of a fast-talking, tax-cheating President.
www.cnn.com/2019/03/26/politics/supreme-court-sudan-uss-cole/index.htm
l


4) The Senate won’t look at Trump’s taxes.

5) Will the voters punish a tax cheater? Who among voters even comprehend what Trump did? Only the 1 Percenters and their accountants. They want to learn how Trump cheated. They want to copy his technique.

"I hate to say it, but Trump could absolutely win again," Buttigieg said.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Thursday, March 28, 2019 6:50 AM

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They must have really believed that they could sell this to the American people en masse, just like they sell bad loans and crappy healthcare and pointless wars.

Well, they had to put their insurance policy into effect post-haste.

I think 3-letter agencies went into it the same way the neocons went into Iraq - confident that once there, they'd find SOME evidence to back them up.

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Originally posted by THG:
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Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:

There was late breaking news that the Grand Jury was still very much operational.

"continuing robustly"

Hmmmm, that was unexpected.


SGG




Rummer has it the Mueller report is 700 pages long. If there is a 700 page report vindicating Trump then why is Barr blocking it's release.

tick tock

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tick tock

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Originally posted by THG: March 22, 2019

Mueller handed in his report. We should start learning a few things this weekend.

tick tock



Still waiting...

T



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Thursday, March 28, 2019 12:55 PM

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Originally posted:
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Originally posted:
Quote:

Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
There was late breaking news that the Grand Jury was still very much operational.

"continuing robustly"

Hmmmm, that was unexpected.

SGG

Rummer has it the Mueller report is 700 pages long. If there is a 700 page report vindicating Trump then why is Barr blocking it's release.

tick tock

T


This Troll is guzzling Rum now?

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Thursday, March 28, 2019 1:38 PM

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Majority says Trump not exonerated of collusion after Barr's summary

A majority (56%) says the President and his campaign have not been exonerated of collusion, but that what they've heard or read about the report shows collusion could not be proven. Fewer, 43%, say Trump and his team have been exonerated of collusion.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/cnn-poll-majority-says-trump-n
ot-exonerated-of-collusion-after-barrs-summary/ar-BBVj9ai?ocid=spartandhp


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Thursday, March 28, 2019 2:06 PM

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A vast majority of Americans thought Iraq had WMD. The beliefs of the majority don't determine reality. Yanno, just because a billion flies eat shit doesn't make it steak.

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Thursday, March 28, 2019 2:39 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by THUGGER (then post-edit-erased because it was stupid and wrong - but not before it got captured in a 'reply with quote'):
Rummer has it the Mueller report is 700 pages long. If there is a 700 page report vindicating Trump then why is Barr blocking it's release.

tick tock

T

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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
This Troll is guzzling Rum now?

And that's what makes him a rummer!

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Thursday, March 28, 2019 3:51 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by rue:

Quote:

Originally posted by THUGGER (then post-edit-erased because it was stupid and wrong - but not before it got captured in a 'reply with quote'):
Rummer has it the Mueller report is 700 pages long. If there is a 700 page report vindicating Trump then why is Barr blocking it's release.

tick tock

T

Quote:

Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
This Troll is guzzling Rum now?

And that's what makes him a rummer!
Yep, the rummer has a laps in his taters. I didn't even notice he deleted yet another of his idiotic posts.

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Thursday, March 28, 2019 3:58 PM

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
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Originally posted by second:
Please don't pay attention to Trump accusing Democrats of treason, a crime for which they can be executed.

Despite how many times that very word was used to describe Trump, nobody paid attention to anybody in these very forums that said it.

You Democrats are on a roll. First racist, nazi and misogynist. Now you might actually have stripped the word treason of any of its meaning as well.

Congrats on destroying public discourse, right down to the very definition of the words we speak.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

Trolls say that words with definitions are Old-speak, outdated, for folk in the past. Words mean whatever they decide they mean, retroactively.
Don't be so close-minded, you Old Fogey.

Apparently, The Trademark Commission does not agree with Trolls:

https://ca.style.yahoo.com/lori-loughlin-apos-daughter-olivia-03060068
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The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two


Quote:

Originally posted by rue:
A vast majority of Americans thought Iraq had WMD. The beliefs of the majority don't determine reality. Yanno, just because a billion flies eat shit doesn't make it steak.

What do your flies say about Trump's fizzled Moscow deal? Trump was making positive statements about Putin on the campaign trail at the same time he needed support from the Russian government for his project. Yet he hid this conflict from American voters and lied to keep it secret. Cohen lied to Congress about this project to protect Trump, and that’s one reason Cohen is heading to prison.

Trump’s duplicity compromised him.

Putin and the Russians obviously knew about this deal Trump was hiding from American voters. So at any time they could reveal it and expose Trump’s mendacity. He willingly placed himself at the mercy of a foreign adversary—as it was preparing a covert operation to corrupt an American election.

www.motherjones.com/politics/2019/03/trump-mueller-report-russia/

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Friday, March 29, 2019 1:55 AM

RUE

I have a vote and I'm not afraid to use it!



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Originally posted by rue:
A vast majority of Americans thought Iraq had WMD. The beliefs of the majority don't determine reality. Yanno, just because a billion flies eat shit doesn't make it steak.

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Originally posted by SECOND:
What do your flies say about Trump's fizzled Moscow deal?

Ask THUGGER, or ask yourself. Consult with the flies. You both think poll data = reality.

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Friday, March 29, 2019 3:17 AM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


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Originally posted by rue:
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Originally posted by rue:
A vast majority of Americans thought Iraq had WMD. The beliefs of the majority don't determine reality. Yanno, just because a billion flies eat shit doesn't make it steak.

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Originally posted by SECOND:
What do your flies say about Trump's fizzled Moscow deal?

Ask THUGGER, or ask yourself. Consult with the flies. You both think poll data = reality.

rue: question.
Do you recall a time when Russia was the great Socialist Utopia that our Democrat Socialists held up as example, and strove to emulate? Suddenly the Heroes of the Democrats have become America's enemies.
But then, Heroes of Democrats can be assumed to be enemies of America.

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Friday, March 29, 2019 4:34 AM

SHINYGOODGUY


Speaking of idiots!


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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
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Originally posted by rue:

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Originally posted by THUGGER (then post-edit-erased because it was stupid and wrong - but not before it got captured in a 'reply with quote'):
Rummer has it the Mueller report is 700 pages long. If there is a 700 page report vindicating Trump then why is Barr blocking it's release.

tick tock

T

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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
This Troll is guzzling Rum now?

And that's what makes him a rummer!

Yep, the rummer has a laps in his taters. I didn't even notice he deleted yet another of his idiotic posts.

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Friday, March 29, 2019 7:59 AM

SECOND

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two


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Originally posted by rue:

You both think poll data = reality.

As the official GOP nominee, Trump received a classified intelligence briefing that included the intelligence community’s assessment that Moscow was the perpetrator in the email-hack-and-wikileak-dump operation. Despite knowing, Trump repeatedly downplayed or denied Russian involvement. He did this in public statements and at the debates. Rue, is reality only what Trump says it is?

This stance turned Putin’s attack into a political dispute. Top Republicans (and Trump-cheering pundits in the media) generally followed his lead and declined to rally against the Russian assault. This prevented the coalescing of a focused national response to Putin’s war on the election. (Mitch McConnell torpedoed the Obama administration’s request for a bipartisan pre-election statement calling out the Russians, for one example. www.kentucky.com/opinion/editorials/article120718538.html )

Despite the attack and the official Obama announcement, Trump stuck to his false line: the Russians should not be held accountable. An overseas foe was striving mightily to undermine a US election, and Trump had been told this privately by US intelligence, and the US government had issued a public declaration. Yet Trump echoed and amplified Moscow’s denials. He was siding with the enemy.

A candidate seeking the job of defending the United States was facilitating an attack on the nation. And after winning the White House, Trump would keep on protecting Putin by dismissing Russian involvement and the significance of the attack.

Trump has diverted attention from the fact that he facilitated an assault on his own country. That may or may not have been illegal per Mueller’s report. But it was betrayal. It was treachery.

The bottom line was established before Mueller submitted his report: Trump committed the most significant political misdeed in American history. The public did not need the Mueller report to confirm this. The foundation of this scandal has for long resided within plain sight.

www.motherjones.com/politics/2019/03/trump-mueller-report-russia/

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Friday, March 29, 2019 8:04 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Still not seeing Colbert's full throated apology.

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Friday, March 29, 2019 8:10 AM

SECOND

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two


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Originally posted by AURaptor:
Still not seeing Colbert's full throated apology.

Didn't you see his apology?



The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Friday, March 29, 2019 8:20 AM

THG


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Speaking of idiots!




Correct SGG. Lets let Adam Schiff address these idiots. Schiff was ready for the republican attack against him and man oh man he destroyed them.

tick tock
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Hear congressman's heated response after Republicans call for his resignation


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Saturday, March 30, 2019 12:51 AM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


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it will take them some time to craft another winning message.

Pete Buttigieg is on a roll of late. And that extends to his spot-on analysis of why Democrats -- and Hillary Clinton in particular -- lost the 2016 election to President Donald Trump.

"We spent, I think, way too much time on our side talking about him," Buttigieg said in an interview with "The Breakfast Club," a New York City-based radio show, which ran Tuesday morning. "Our whole message was don't vote for him because he is terrible. And even because he is, that is not a message."

The rightness of Buttigieg's analysis speaks to his understanding of how voters think and the significant challenge that Trump still poses.

"I hate to say it, but Trump could absolutely win again," Buttigieg said. He's absolutely right.

www.cnn.com/2019/03/27/politics/pete-buttigieg-donald-trump-hillary-cl
inton/index.html


“The rightness of Buttigieg’s analysis speaks to his understanding of how voters think . . .” Some examples of voter thinking:

1) Trump owes hundreds of millions in back taxes. Democrat and Republican voters shrug it off as nothing.
www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/10/02/us/politics/donald-trump-tax-sc
hemes-fred-trump.html


2) What is Trump doing now? He continues to cheat on his taxes. That is shrugged off as nothing, too.
www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/trumpometer/promise/1421/rel
ease-his-tax-returns-after-audit-completed
/
www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-russia-taxes/cohen-trump-feared-a
udit-if-he-released-tax-returns-idUSKCN1QG2X7


3) Who will make Trump pay? Not the Supreme Court. Those people are slow. This week the Supreme Court required 5 months to decide in an 8 to 1 vote that hinged on the wrong address written on an envelope mailed with the USPS. The case has been running for 9 years and the Supreme Court has thrown it back to the very beginning. The Supreme Court justices are innumerate lawyers who won't comprehend the numbers of a fast-talking, tax-cheating President.
www.cnn.com/2019/03/26/politics/supreme-court-sudan-uss-cole/index.htm
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4) The Senate won’t look at Trump’s taxes.

5) Will the voters punish a tax cheater? Who among voters even comprehend what Trump did? Only the 1 Percenters and their accountants. They want to learn how Trump cheated. They want to copy his technique.

"I hate to say it, but Trump could absolutely win again," Buttigieg said.

That South Bend Mayor is on Co-Bear tonight.

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