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Getting voters to the polls was the unspoken theme of Cruz-O’Rourke debate

Cruz painted an image of Texas values being under assault from a socialist wave, with O'Rourke in the mold of Democratic socialist Bernie Sanders, billionaire socialist financier George Soros and former first lady Hillary Clinton.

The goal was to cast Beto O'Rourke as a threat to the Texas way of life, said Rice University political science professor Mark P. Jones.

Cruz drove home the point when he told O'Rourke during one exchange that being there for Texans means fighting for them, and "not George Soros, not big liberal interests, but fighting for the values of Texas."

Later Cruz was asked to say something positive about O'Rourke. He responded in terms calculated to fire up his own base.

"Bernie Sanders believes in what he's fighting for, he believes in socialism," Cruz said from the stage at McFarlin Auditorium at Southern Methodist University. "Now I think what he's fighting for doesn't work, but I think you are absolutely sincere, like Bernie, that you believe in expanding government and higher taxes — and I commend you for fighting for what you believe in."

(O'Rourke calls for banning some types of guns, legalizing marijuana, preserving Obamacare and defending athletes who kneel during the national anthem. Polls show a majority of Texans disagree with him on those issues.)

Professor Jones said for O'Rourke it was about presenting himself to black voters as a credible champion on those issues and enough of an ally that it's worth showing up in big — even historic — numbers to vote for him on election day.

Turnout in Texas mid-term elections has generally been among the worst in the nation. In 2014, just 4.6 million of Texas's then 14 million voters cast ballots in the midterm elections. That's just 34 percent of the state's registered voters and 25 percent of the voting age population in Texas. No midterm race has had more than 40 percent turnout since 1998.

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Mitch McConnell says that Republicans will not take any serious steps to reduce the deficit, unless they can also share blame for unpopular entitlement cuts with Democrats.

He didn’t use exactly those words during his Tuesday interview with Bloomberg. But the Senate Majority Leader came close, admitting that changes to programs like Medicare and Social Security might be “impossible to achieve” as long as Republicans controlled both houses of Congress and the White House. It was a quietly refreshing moment, in which McConnell effectively dropped the entire charade that Republicans are a party that prioritizes fiscal prudence—making explicit what has long been obvious to anyone who has paid the faintest bit of attention to Washington over the past decades.

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Mitch McConnell says that Republicans will not take any serious steps to reduce the deficit, unless they can also share blame for unpopular entitlement cuts with Democrats.

He didn’t use exactly those words during his Tuesday interview with Bloomberg. But the Senate Majority Leader came close, admitting that changes to programs like Medicare and Social Security might be “impossible to achieve” as long as Republicans controlled both houses of Congress and the White House. It was a quietly refreshing moment, in which McConnell effectively dropped the entire charade that Republicans are a party that prioritizes fiscal prudence—making explicit what has long been obvious to anyone who has paid the faintest bit of attention to Washington over the past decades.

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Yeah. No shit.

One of the reasons that GWB was the worst president we ever had, at the time, and then Obama came in and made him look miserly.

It's gotten slightly better in the last two years, but I'm fairly sure the American Dollar is doomed now after the leadership of the last two decades.


At least you've found a left voice that is discussing something legitimate again. Though I think this is just people beginning to hedge their bets if the blue wave doesn't come through and they're preparing to shift back into blame-everything-on-republicans-mode until the 2020 election. A tactic that is only going to work if the economy does get worse in the next 2 years.

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We had 8 years of Obama and it was devastating to the economy and the quality of life for people who aren't rich. Why do you keep thinking things will be better when Democrats are in control?

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We had 8 years of Obama and it was devastating to the economy and the quality of life for people who aren't rich. Why do you keep thinking things will be better when Democrats are in control?

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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We had 8 years of Vietnam war, and yet the majority of voters believed that Richard Nixon in 1972 represented their values and would bring victory to Vietnam. They had no reason to believe what they believed. They must have been crazy not to listen to McGovern, who told them as plain as day what was happening in Vietnam. I could have told them, too, after serving a few months in South East Asia, but did they listen to McGovern and vote Democrat? No. The majority learned nothing from the previous 8 years. They understood nothing. They voted for the Republicans in a landslide. They were stupid to re-elect Nixon.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Okay.

But 8 years of Obama fixed nothing and things got worse.

Are you suggesting that everybody should just vote hard line Democrat from now until eternity in hopes that things would be different then?

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So. Insanity and an actual desire for violence and bloodshed stated twice here is where you're going to choose to go next since nothing else has worked so far for the Democrats then?

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I sure hope he is not faking. The closer to election day he does it, the better to show voters Trump can create chaos with a Presidential order: Stop all traffic. Close the roads to and from Mexico. Shoot-to-kill orders for anybody approaching the border, especially women and children. It will be a great news opportunity. Might even affect the election.

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The Mexicans' job is NOT to protect America from Hondurans. I really hope Trump feels the need to close the Mexican border just before the election. I really want him to give the shoot-to-kill order: "Shoot the children first. Then their parents will turn back."

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I'm not talking about what Trump or any other politician said here. I'm talking about what you said, twice.

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I sure hope he is not faking. The closer to election day he does it, the better to show voters Trump can create chaos with a Presidential order: Stop all traffic. Close the roads to and from Mexico. Shoot-to-kill orders for anybody approaching the border, especially women and children. It will be a great news opportunity. Might even affect the election.

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The Mexicans' job is NOT to protect America from Hondurans. I really hope Trump feels the need to close the Mexican border just before the election. I really want him to give the shoot-to-kill order: "Shoot the children first. Then their parents will turn back."

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This just amounts to another reason why the Democrats are losing so bad.

I expect this type of talk from Reaverfan. I'd expect you to be calling him out on his bullshit.

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It's not fear mongering.

I don't want them here. Most Americans don't want them here.

Most Americans aren't afraid to say that anymore either.

Go ahead and call me a Nazi.

They can go home. Mexico doesn't want them there either.

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Having won the Cold War and achieved a position of primacy unseen since the Roman Empire, why did U.S. leaders decide to maintain a military establishment that dwarfed all others and expand an already far-flung network of allies, client states, military bases, and security commitments? Instead of greeting the defeat of its principal rival as an opportunity to reduce America’s global burdens, why did both Democrats and Republicans embark on an ill-considered campaign to spread democracy, markets, and other liberal values around the world?

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Having won the Cold War and achieved a position of primacy unseen since the Roman Empire, why did U.S. leaders decide to maintain a military establishment that dwarfed all others and expand an already far-flung network of allies, client states, military bases, and security commitments? Instead of greeting the defeat of its principal rival as an opportunity to reduce America’s global burdens, why did both Democrats and Republicans embark on an ill-considered campaign to spread democracy, markets, and other liberal values around the world?

This strategy—sometimes termed “liberal hegemony”—has been a costly failure.

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I like that.

I'm going to start calling 3rd wave Feminism "Feminist Hegemony".

"We already achieved everything we set out to do. Why stop now?"

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Having won the Cold War and achieved a position of primacy unseen since the Roman Empire, why did U.S. leaders decide to maintain a military establishment that dwarfed all others and expand an already far-flung network of allies, client states, military bases, and security commitments? Instead of greeting the defeat of its principal rival as an opportunity to reduce America’s global burdens, why did both Democrats and Republicans embark on an ill-considered campaign to spread democracy, markets, and other liberal values around the world?

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I like that.

I'm going to start calling 3rd wave Feminism "Feminist Hegemony".

"We already achieved everything we set out to do. Why stop now?"

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You didn't download the book, did you? If you had, you'd see that your new terminology "Feminist Hegemony" does not shine new light on an old subject -- women.

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Though a small portion of women are Feminists, not all women are Feminists. Not by a long shot. I didn't say anything about women in general. Just the pink-hat-wearing victim-class idiot NPC women out there.

Feminist Hegemony is a perfect term for their movement in 2018.

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Though a small portion of women are Feminists, not all women are Feminists. Not by a long shot. I didn't say anything about women in general. Just the pink-hat-wearing victim-class idiot NPC women out there.

Feminist Hegemony is a perfect term for their movement in 2018.

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Feminism defends equal political, economic, cultural, and social rights for women in the United States. Why does that bother Republicans and so-called "Independents", guys who can't lose rights that they never had in the first place, except in their imaginations? It might bother somebody like me, who actually has these rights because I took them forcefully by kicking asses out of the way and stomping on fools, but why would it bother weaklings who never did have rights? Oh, I just answered my own question; feminism reminds guys who have always been weak-willed that they are not doing so well as weaklings kicked around by bigger, meaner men. And now by bigger, meaner women. That is why those anti-femi-nazis guys (and gals) are angry.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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They already have those rights. They have for quite some time.

If Feminism wants to do some good, they can start with Islam.

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They already have those rights. They have for quite some time.

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Since the Feminist Hegemony has run out of shit to do in America, I suggest they start doing missionary work to places that still have thousands of honor killings of women every year and places where women only were finally granted the right to drive a car in the last few years. Yanno... if they're really that bored.

As a side note... Are we done being civil with each other, Second? You've been extremely insulting to me the last few days.

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Since the Feminist Hegemony has run out of shit to do in America, I suggest they start doing missionary work to places that still have thousands of honor killings of women every year and places where women only were finally granted the right to drive a car in the last few years. Yanno... if they're really that bored.

As a side note... Are we done being civil with each other, Second? You've been extremely insulting to me the last few days.

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John Quincy Adams may have recognized that the early republic was too weak to “go out in search for monsters to destroy,” but the temptation to spread liberal ideals became more alluring as the United States grew stronger. Once the country stood at the pinnacle of power, it was impossible to resist. If feminists in America, because they are feeling stronger, decide to "improve" religions they don't belong to, they will fail in the same way as the U.S. Departments of Defense and State have failed to "improve" Muslim countries.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Then it is time for them to disband.

Either that, or they can join with MRAs and call themselves Egalitarians.

Nobody is arguing against equality for all citizens...

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In 1970, noted communist Richard Nixon started talking up affordable child care. A year later, Congress passed by a wide, bipartisan margin a child-care bill. When it got to Nixon’s desk, though, adviser Pat Buchanan persuaded him to block it to protect his right flank. In his veto, Nixon said he could not “commit the vast moral authority of the National Government to the side of communal approaches to child rearing over against the family-centered approach.” It turned out to be a rehearsal dinner for the marriage of antigovernment and self-described “pro-family” activists, who would spend the ’80s rejecting an Equal Rights Amendment to the Constitution, telling women that feminism was to blame for all ills and stacking the courts with abortion opponents.

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In 1970, noted communist Richard Nixon started talking up affordable child care. A year later, Congress passed by a wide, bipartisan margin a child-care bill. When it got to Nixon’s desk, though, adviser Pat Buchanan persuaded him to block it to protect his right flank. In his veto, Nixon said he could not “commit the vast moral authority of the National Government to the side of communal approaches to child rearing over against the family-centered approach.” It turned out to be a rehearsal dinner for the marriage of antigovernment and self-described “pro-family” activists, who would spend the ’80s rejecting an Equal Rights Amendment to the Constitution, telling women that feminism was to blame for all ills and stacking the courts with abortion opponents.

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The only way to making the argument that childcare is a "womans issue" is by recognizing that WOMEN are affected by pregnancy and early childcare whereas men are not. (Unless you can show me that men can get pregnant, in which case I cede the argument.)

That is the one area where women are INEVITABLY unequal. So the question isn't whether men and women are equal in this aspect, but how we want to deal with the inequality. And that becomes the issue of whether or not THIS society values children and child-raising, or relegates it to underpaid workers who can't find a "better" profession.

Maybe the answer is to elevate "women's work" as mothers (and also "father's work" as fathers), and not constantly denigrate it.


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Agreed. Men and Women ARE different, biologically speaking, though it pains the Ultralibs to admit it.

My step-mom was awesome. She raised my step-bro and half-bro and they're both insanely successful now compared to my brothers and I from the divorced marriage. Yet, at the same time, she suffered a lot of bullshit about making that choice and not working from a lot of people and was always defensive about her choice. I always made a point of letting her know how much I respected her for her decision and I think when her kids ended up being so successful it was a bit of vindication on her part.

Fast forward to now with the kids out of the house, she makes more money than I do by quite a bit. Doing what? Babysitting, cleaning houses, house sitting and caring for an elderly couple.


EDITED TO ADD: Yanno who denegrated her the most for her choice? My mom, who turned to being a career woman after the divorce. She absolutely hated her job and most of the people she worked for. We couldn't even sit through a family dinner without having to hear her bitch from start to finish. She was a great project manager and reveled in the fact that her subordinates called her "Bitch on Wheels", but was always pissed that she couldn't get any higher in the company. Why would anybody give her a promotion at that point? She kept the peons in line, worked 40 hours overtime a week from home for free and she was absolutely miserable to be around.

She always had bad things to say about my step-mom. Whether it was calling her lazy or saying things like "It must be nice not to have to work all day".

Hey Jealousy.



Man I'm glad my mom and step dad retired very early and started their own business. She's an entirely different person once taken out of that cutthroat environment and she's like the woman I knew as a child before everything changed.

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Agreed. Men and Women ARE different, biologically speaking, though it pains the Ultralibs to admit it.

My step-mom was awesome. She raised my step-bro and half-bro and they're both insanely successful now compared to my brothers and I from the divorced marriage. Yet, at the same time, she suffered a lot of bullshit about making that choice and not working from a lot of people and was always defensive about her choice. I always made a point of letting her know how much I respected her for her decision and I think when her kids ended up being so successful it was a bit of vindication on her part.

Fast forward to now with the kids out of the house, she makes more money than I do by quite a bit. Doing what? Babysitting, cleaning houses, house sitting and caring for an elderly couple.


EDITED TO ADD: Yanno who denegrated her the most for her choice? My mom, who turned to being a career woman after the divorce. She absolutely hated her job and most of the people she worked for. We couldn't even sit through a family dinner without having to hear her bitch from start to finish. She was a great project manager and reveled in the fact that her subordinates called her "Bitch on Wheels", but was always pissed that she couldn't get any higher in the company. Why would anybody give her a promotion at that point? She kept the peons in line, worked 40 hours overtime a week from home for free and she was absolutely miserable to be around.

She always had bad things to say about my step-mom. Whether it was calling her lazy or saying things like "It must be nice not to have to work all day".

Hey Jealousy.



Man I'm glad my mom and step dad retired very early and started their own business. She's an entirely different person once taken out of that cutthroat environment and she's like the woman I knew as a child before everything changed.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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The Nurture Assumption: Why Children Turn Out the Way They Do
www.amazon.com/Nurture-Assumption-Children-Turn-They-ebook/dp/B005JSSA
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The bit torrent hash to this book for 6ix: 34a8254e9d1db27f7e0198e438e859465b260ab6
http://kat.rip/torrent/34a8254e9d1db27f7e0198e438e859465b260ab6.html

The book begins: Parental nurturing is not what determines how a child turns out. Children are not socialized by their parents. People might have accepted with a yawn the idea that parents’ influence on their children had been somewhat overestimated, but what I was proposing was far more heretical: that parents have no lasting influence on their children’s personalities or on the way they behave outside the home. The proposition doesn’t mean that parents are unimportant—they have other roles to play in their children’s lives. But the subtleties were lost when the media compressed my argument into three little words: “Do Parents Matter?” The book ends with "As for what’s wrong with you: don’t blame it on your parents." That's the sardonic humor the reviewers refer to.

Since you'll probably never find time to read the book, I'll summarize the last half of the last chapter:

The other point about the way the mind works (as Pinker and his fellow evolutionary psychologists have explained) is that it’s modular. The mind is composed of a number of specialized departments, each collecting its own data and issuing its own reports or orders. Just as the body is organized into physical organs that each do one specific job—the lungs oxygenate the blood, the heart pumps it around the body—so the mind is organized into mental organs or modules or departments. One department lets you see the world in three dimensions, another enables you to pick up the glass. Some of the mind’s departments issue reports that are accessible to consciousness; others do not.

The mental department that keeps track of relationships is accessible to the conscious mind. The department that adapts your behavior to that of your group is no less important but it is less accessible to consciousness. A lot of its work goes on at an automatic level, like the muscle movements that enable you to pick up the glass.

Much of the information we collect about the world is collected unconsciously. We don’t know how we know many of the things we know; we just know them. Children learn that red fruits are sweeter than green ones and if you give them a choice they’ll pick the red one, but they can’t tell you why. The gathering of data, the construction of categories, and the averaging of data within categories was all carried out below the level of consciousness.

The processes that I have been talking about in this book generally go on below the level of consciousness. We identify with a group of people. We learn to speak and behave like these people; we take on their attitudes. We adapt our speech and behavior to different social contexts. We develop stereotypes of our own group and of other groups. These things can be brought into consciousness but that’s not where they live. In this book I have been talking about things that children do without noticing them, without having to exert conscious effort. It leaves the tops of their minds free to do other things.

Groups and relationships: they are both important to us but in different ways. Our childhood experiences with peers and our experiences at home with our parents are important to us in different ways.

The bond between parent and child lasts a lifetime. We kiss our parents goodbye not once but many times; we do not lose track of them. Each visit home gives us opportunities to take out family memories and look at them again. Meanwhile, our childhood friends have scattered to the winds and we’ve forgotten what happened on the playground.

When you think about childhood you think about your parents. Blame it on the relationship department of your mind, which has usurped more than its rightful share of your thoughts and memories.

As for what’s wrong with you: don’t blame it on your parents. (Blame your friends on the playground. Because your friends far outnumbered your parents, they shaped you more than your parents. The End.)

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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That is such hogwash, SECOND. I can point to a LOT of examples of how parents CLEARLY influence their children, even into adulthood.

You can see this best with second-generation immigrants i.e. the children of people who immigrated to this country. These children are often brought up with strong influences of their parents' cultures. You will often hear them say that they don't feel a part of EITHER culture.

If parents have so little influence on their children, this would never happen.

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"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND

America is an oligarchy http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=57876

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