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Thursday, September 20, 2018 2:13 PM
REAVERFAN
Friday, September 21, 2018 8:45 AM
SECOND
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two
Friday, September 21, 2018 8:58 AM
6IXSTRINGJACK
Quote:Originally posted by second: Trump is retweeting the persistent falsehood that the economy turned on a dime when he won the election and that all of the so-called experts who said it was impossible for the economy to grow this fast were wrong. “We have the greatest economy ever in the history of our country. So we’re very happy with the way things are running, generally speaking. I don’t think we’ve ever had an economy like this.” — President Trump, Sept. 19, 2018
Friday, September 21, 2018 9:07 AM
Sunday, September 23, 2018 8:34 AM
Monday, September 24, 2018 8:03 AM
Quote:I’ve been familiar with Trump for a long time, and I was one of the first people to write about him back in the ‘80s. I started paying attention to him before a lot of other people did. There’s nothing there. He’s a showman, a performance artist. But he’s a hustler like P.T. Barnum. As I was writing this book in 2014 and 2015, I saw that Trump was running for president and I realized, about halfway through the book, that I had to reckon with this stupid — but deadly serious — candidacy. Watching it was strange, though. I was finishing the book and getting to the part about modern politics, and here’s Trump about to win the nomination. It was as though I had summoned some golem into existence by writing this history, of which he is the apotheosis. Donald Trump came along and now this conversation is much easier to have because we’ve got this guy as president, who is the perfect expression of our disconnectedness from reality.
Monday, September 24, 2018 8:25 AM
SIGNYM
I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.
Quote:The question is, why? What is it about the American experience, the American character, that cultivated this love of magical thinking? Why are so many of us committed to our own tailored versions of reality?
Tuesday, September 25, 2018 7:38 AM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: Quote:The question is, why? What is it about the American experience, the American character, that cultivated this love of magical thinking? Why are so many of us committed to our own tailored versions of reality? Advertising and Hollywood. Like so many other aspects of our culture ("greed is good"), this aspect would not be fostered and would not continue to exist if it didn't ADVANTAGE THE WEALTHY. There is a driving elitist reason behind this culture; it didn't "just happen". "The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND
Tuesday, September 25, 2018 9:44 AM
Quote:Originally posted by SECOND: Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: Quote:The question is, why? What is it about the American experience, the American character, that cultivated this love of magical thinking? Why are so many of us committed to our own tailored versions of reality? Advertising and Hollywood. Like so many other aspects of our culture ("greed is good"), this aspect would not be fostered and would not continue to exist if it didn't ADVANTAGE THE WEALTHY. There is a driving elitist reason behind this culture; it didn't "just happen". "The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND Humans are very hackable creatures. But the trick to keep the hackers out of your head (be they politicians, preachers, or businesses doing the hacking) is to recognize when you are being hacked. If you are too lazy or indifferent to understand what the hackers are doing to you, then the safest thing is to disconnect from the network. I am familiar with that disconnecting from my time with the Jehovah's Witnesses, who are told to not vote and not to join the military. I am also familiar with being mentally hacked by Nixon, who convincing me, without ever knowing me, to volunteer for Vietnam. I am reminded daily what will happen to me if I allow myself to be hacked or if I disconnect from the network: either painful injury or loss of money or isolation. A guy like Trump couldn't hack I guy like me because I have known Trump-like characters. The real Trump @realDonaldTrump has a long history of saying whatever is necessary to close a deal. Once you have signed the contract, or voted for him, or joined his army, then you find out that you are trapped inside another of his swindles, which go back 40 years. In a related subject: "Our Brains Are Wired to Make Us Broke" https://grow.acorns.com/how-to-fight-harmful-money-mindsets/#gs.z1a56FM The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
Tuesday, September 25, 2018 10:22 AM
Quote:Humans are very hackable creatures. But the trick to keep the hackers out of your head (be they politicians, preachers, or businesses doing the hacking) is to recognize when you are being hacked.
Quote: A guy like Trump couldn't hack I guy like me because I have known Trump-like characters.
Tuesday, September 25, 2018 10:58 AM
CAPTAINCRUNCH
... stay crunchy...
Quote:Originally posted by SECOND: A guy like Trump couldn't hack I guy like me because I have known Trump-like characters. The real Trump @realDonaldTrump has a long history of saying whatever is necessary to close a deal. Once you have signed the contract, or voted for him, or joined his army, then you find out that you are trapped inside another of his swindles, which go back 40 years.
Tuesday, September 25, 2018 11:41 AM
THG
Tuesday, September 25, 2018 1:14 PM
Tuesday, September 25, 2018 2:23 PM
Quote:They are the same schlups who didn't want to buy the cheap lens hope and change when they walked in but left with it and paid 200% more than normal mark-up and were grateful for the "deal." -CC
Wednesday, September 26, 2018 4:43 AM
Wednesday, September 26, 2018 7:25 AM
Wednesday, September 26, 2018 9:41 AM
Wednesday, September 26, 2018 10:01 AM
Wednesday, September 26, 2018 2:01 PM
Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: lol You keep calling me stupid, but you offer up no evidence, and time and time again I've shut you down and you stop responding when I have you dead to rights. But please, keep putting your ignorance and malevolence on display for everyone to enjoy. You are the punchline. Do Right, Be Right. :)
Wednesday, September 26, 2018 2:08 PM
Wednesday, September 26, 2018 8:34 PM
Quote:Originally posted by THG: Poor Jack. He is upset and claims I keep calling him stupid without providing any evidence. That's so funny because it's what he posts that is the evidence. But alas, he is to stupid to figure that out without help. Can someone here give the moron a hint? T
Wednesday, September 26, 2018 8:43 PM
Quote:Originally posted by SECOND: The punchline is that you have no rights at a job, 6ixStringJack, even if you are a citizen. That is not how it works in the rest of the world, except for the U.S. and Mexico, which probably explains why you are hostile to Mex-skins -- they are in competition for the kinds of crappy, low pay jobs you work. Is it great to be a worker in the U.S.? Not if you are in the lower 50% of jobs and not compared with the rest of the developed world.
Thursday, September 27, 2018 5:02 AM
Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: I've got the best job out of anybody here, hands down. Do Right, Be Right. :)
Thursday, September 27, 2018 7:46 AM
Quote:Originally posted by SECOND: Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: I've got the best job out of anybody here, hands down. Do Right, Be Right. :)You are fantasizing. This is real. This is no joke: What if President Trump did popular stuff on policy? For 6ixStringJack, what if Trump signs a bill to hike the minimum wage to $12 an hour? 6ix's "best job out of anybody here" would be even better! Up until now, Trump has governed like a very hardline conservative except on trade. But except for authoritarian views on immigration and crime, Trump doesn’t have any personal history of consistency as a conservative. And even during his 2016 campaign, he put forth a much more eclectic, heterodox version of himself than how he’s governed. Maybe that won’t change no matter what happens in Election 2018. Maybe he’s a true prisoner of the conservative movement. Maybe he’s always harbored Heritage Foundation sympathies and they are just now blooming. But I think a reasonable person should have some humility about his ability to foresee the future and admit that a bipartisan, populist Trump is at least a possibility. More about Trump’s path to victory in 2020 at www.vox.com/2018/9/26/17905752/trump-2020-strategy The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
Thursday, September 27, 2018 8:27 AM
Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: I do hope you find whatever it is you're looking for. You probably don't even have a clue what that is. I know that I didn't.
Thursday, September 27, 2018 8:42 AM
Quote:Originally posted by SECOND: Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: I do hope you find whatever it is you're looking for. You probably don't even have a clue what that is. I know that I didn't.Here is a clue. I am looking for a Firefly story, among other things. River Tam is the secret troubleshooter (take that literally, not figuratively) for the Elon Musk of the 'Verse with a plan to resettle 10 million people on Earth. River is being paid nothing, and she might get everyone on Serenity killed, and she won't be asking their permission for endangering them, but she isn't stopping until she is either dead (death is not a permanent condition in SF) or she is traveling on the last starship leaving for Earth with everyone she loves. She's exactly the kind of violent, energetic person I admire, with a strong purpose and a practical plan, but she is not the unfocused, meandering River Tam we know from the comic books, TV or movie. Happiness is not one of her goals, or she would be taking life easy like 6ixStringJack. The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
Friday, September 28, 2018 6:12 AM
Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: I wish you luck. Keep shooting for the stars then. Just don't let it make you miserable along the way. Taking it easy works for me. I got 4 more nights of working my ass off, then I'm going to have 8 days to do whatever I feel like doing. :) Do Right, Be Right. :)
Friday, September 28, 2018 6:44 AM
Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: Illegal aliens don't have Constitutional rights. There were no violations.
Friday, September 28, 2018 8:09 AM
Quote:Originally posted by SECOND: There actually is a political question built into the backstory for Firefly. How did the governments of China and America get the billion surviving humans off the Earth and to the 'Verse? I don't think those governments succeeded. Oh, they might have gotten billions of human embryos to the 'Verse, but probably only thousands of full grown people. There wasn't enough profit to move everybody on Earth. The Alliance does not want it known that their greatest triumph wasn't as great as the legend because the structure of the Alliance in both the 21st and 26th Centuries has not changed much. Politics was motivated by profit and greed in 21st Century and, in the 'Verse, it still is. Since there is no profit to sending an expedition back to Earth, the Alliance has not done it. That is why America does not have Moon base, unlike in the movie 2001 made 50 years ago. No profit in sending people long distances. And the farther you go, be it light hours to Mars or light years to another star, the less believable an eventual profit becomes. It will take a totally different kind of government than has ever been created by real politicians to move millions of people to another star. An Alliance between China and America can't do it. The organization of those two governments is too conventional, which explains why those governments cannot do more ordinary things that are far easier than going to the stars.
Saturday, September 29, 2018 6:07 AM
Saturday, September 29, 2018 6:44 AM
Saturday, September 29, 2018 7:56 AM
Quote:Originally posted by second: Trump is arguably the most unlikely, unsuitable, and unpopular presidential nominee of a major party in American history
Saturday, September 29, 2018 8:36 AM
Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: Quote:Originally posted by second: Trump is arguably the most unlikely, unsuitable, and unpopular presidential nominee of a major party in American history Well... 2nd most unpopular. Do Right, Be Right. :)
Saturday, September 29, 2018 8:44 AM
Quote:Originally posted by second: Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: Quote:Originally posted by second: Trump is arguably the most unlikely, unsuitable, and unpopular presidential nominee of a major party in American history Well... 2nd most unpopular. Do Right, Be Right. :)Hillary lost because she was 1st most unpopular nominee in Russian history. She still got 2,864,974 more votes than Trump, so she can't be less popular than Trump with Americans. www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/hillary-clinton-3-million-popular-vote-donald-trump-us-election-a7487901.html The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
Saturday, September 29, 2018 8:48 AM
Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: Meh... Only by a couple million votes, and in all the wrong places. Please don't get me started on the Electoral College again. I'll just pretend that I didn't expect you to reply exactly the way that you just did. Have a nice day. :) Do Right, Be Right. :)
Saturday, September 29, 2018 10:54 AM
Sunday, September 30, 2018 6:24 AM
Sunday, September 30, 2018 7:24 AM
Quote:Originally posted by second: Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: Meh... Only by a couple million votes, and in all the wrong places. Please don't get me started on the Electoral College again. I'll just pretend that I didn't expect you to reply exactly the way that you just did. Have a nice day. :) Do Right, Be Right. :)6ix, closer to 3 million more for Hillary than Trump. You rounded the number down to 2 million. I know Trump won the electoral college vote, but Hillary got 47.5% to Trump's 48% and 100% of Pennsylvania's electoral college. Who designed that system where nobody gets a majority, but the minority candidate still receives 100% of the vote? Something weird going on there. www.nytimes.com/elections/results/pennsylvania The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
Monday, October 1, 2018 5:29 AM
Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: I don't agree at all with a pure popular vote, but the system as it is designed is over 200 years old and needs to be revamped. Most people who vote for President are just throwing it away entirely because they live in a state that would NEVER go the other way. I'm one of them. I have been in every state I've lived in since I've been old enough to vote. Any presidential vote I've ever made has been entirely meaningless and I might as well have put Daffy Duck for President. I've said this before, and I'll say it again... Why didn't the Obama administration make this one of the FIRST things on the docket when the Dems had a majority in both the house and senate? That's another problem I have with the Democratic Party. They'll endlessly bitch and moan when they lose because of the Electoral College, but they seem to get collective amnesia when they win and nobody thinks to even bring it up. Y'all know that there ain't no way in hell that the Republicans are going to do anything about it. Why don't you demand that something be done about it when the Democrats are in power? I think the more important question is why don't the Democrat politicians ever think to ever do anything about it themselves?
Monday, October 1, 2018 5:51 AM
Monday, October 1, 2018 7:42 AM
Quote:Originally posted by second: Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: I don't agree at all with a pure popular vote, but the system as it is designed is over 200 years old and needs to be revamped. Most people who vote for President are just throwing it away entirely because they live in a state that would NEVER go the other way. I'm one of them. I have been in every state I've lived in since I've been old enough to vote. Any presidential vote I've ever made has been entirely meaningless and I might as well have put Daffy Duck for President. I've said this before, and I'll say it again... Why didn't the Obama administration make this one of the FIRST things on the docket when the Dems had a majority in both the house and senate? That's another problem I have with the Democratic Party. They'll endlessly bitch and moan when they lose because of the Electoral College, but they seem to get collective amnesia when they win and nobody thinks to even bring it up. Y'all know that there ain't no way in hell that the Republicans are going to do anything about it. Why don't you demand that something be done about it when the Democrats are in power? I think the more important question is why don't the Democrat politicians ever think to ever do anything about it themselves?6ixStringJack, you know how the system works. It needs a super-majority of 67 in the Senate to rewrite the Constitution. It even needs a super-majority of 60 to pass ordinary legislation if the opposition party objects. The Federal government was designed to fail on any controversial issue. That’s how Madison and Jefferson put it together. It’s in the basic design. That’s why the US has had centuries of major friction, with the loud screeching of metal against metal, on all big issues. There have been four efforts to abolish the electoral college. All have been by Democrats. All efforts were thwarted by Republicans. Republicans are always there to stop it from happening in either Congress or at the state legislatures. Until there are 33 or fewer GOP Senators, it cannot happen. Even then it might not happen because there have been three asshole Democrats who also prevented change for the better (Democratic Senators James Eastland of Mississippi, John McClellan of Arkansas, and Sam Ervin of North Carolina) but, thankfully, they are all dead and burning in hell along side of those Democratic Senators who resigned to join the Confederacy in 1860 and 1861. I pray that they all suffer eternal pain for their
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Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: Uh huh. Do Right, Be Right. :)
Friday, October 12, 2018 4:44 PM
1KIKI
Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.
Quote:Julian Assange: Isis and Clinton Foundation are both funded by Saudi ... https://www.independent.co.uk › News › People Nov 4, 2016 - Wealthy officials from Qatar and Saudi Arabia who donated money to Hillary Clinton’s charitable foundation also provided financial support to Isis, WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange has claimed. ... Representatives from the Clinton Foundation have repeatedly denied accusations Ms The Clinton Foundation's History of Controversy - Pacific Standard https://psmag.com/news/whats-going-on-with-the-clinton-foundation Jan 24, 2018 - The FBI's latest probe into the foundation may seem like a political witch hunt, but there ... It has since grown from an organization to raise funds for the Clinton ... Saudi Arabia alone has contributed $10 million to $25 million Arms Sales OK'd by Hillary Clinton's State Department Raise Questions https://philanthropynewsdigest.org/.../arms-sales-ok-d-by-hillary-clinton-s-state-depart... In the years before Clinton became secretary of state, the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia contributed at least $10 million to the Clinton Foundation, while Boeing ... 4 experts make the case that the Clinton Foundation's fundraising was ... https://www.vox.com/2016/8/25/12615340/hillary-clinton-foundation Aug 25, 2016 - Money in politics experts say Hillary Clinton's ties to the Clinton Foundation's ... Saudi Arabia gave the foundation up to $25 million, and Clinton ..
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