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Although a lot of people would be relieved if it drops to 22,623 before rebounding.


Perhaps I should point out, here in the moment: these are the days of making the largest gains in funds. Buying at a discount of 6% can get an easy gain on bounce back, in a matter of days instead of the 55 days it recently took to scale this mountain of stock value.
And if it can drop to 22,623 then the rebound can only be reasonably expected to be 5% to 10% of the all-time high, so buying at the end of Monday could still result in a loss.
But regardless, whenever the market hits the best bargain price, that is when the common trader has the greatest opportunity to grow their funds. Although this volatility is just noise, the potential for growth is far greater than days of a couple hundred point gains.

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Alright, so let's take a moment to explore the scenario if the Libtard view actually wasn't a delusion.

Their premise is that the real actual value of the Market is represented by Dow 15,000.
So then 26,616 is an actual overevaluation of 11,616 - or 177% of the true value. That may well be a historical record.
So if Dow goes no higher than that during this cycle, then a drop to 22,623 will signal onset of a Bear Market cycle. The rebound will go to about 23,954 - 25,285 range and then drop. A Bear Market drop always bottoms far below the true value of a stock, so the Dow would at this point bottom out around 8,000 - 12,000. The would represent a drop of 55% - 70%. Such a large drop gives investors plenty of time or range to recognize the drop and exit their stocks, before the bottom price is available to buy back in for massive gains - doubling or tripling your fund value. Unless the Libtard duplicates 2008 and keeps all their money in the Market until they've lost 60% of their life savings. So what are the Libtards panicking about? Their scenario provides the best possible outcome for their funds!

By comparison OTOH, if the Libtards are delusional and the Stock Market is the Real World, then a couple extreme possibilities can be presented.
One is that, for no reason, the current high of 26,616 remains the peak of this cycle. The drop to trigger remains the same as above, as well as the rebound range. But then the bottom would be more like 17,740 (67%) or we could hope for 13,300 (50%). The discount price for buying back in would not be as big of a bargain, plus the time of range of drop would be more brief, so exiting the fund would be more time critical, allowing for less dilly-dallying. And then the recovery gains would only be 30 - 50%.
The other possibility would be that the explanation for Obamanomics which I posted earlier in this thread are correct. The Market will continue to climb, for up to 8 years, before moving to Bear Market.
By that time most folk would have forgotten about Libtard delusional theories.

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Dow closed today at 23,533. A drop of 1.7% today. This is 11.6% off the Record All-Time High. Hard to beat a discount price like this to buy in at. Buffet must be buying like crazy about now.
The Dow closed at 23,860 on 8 February.
Dow closed at 23,539 on 4 November 2017.
Dow closed at 23,516 on 3 November 2017.

Today Trump signed the Cramnibus Spendaholic bill, largest spending bill in history, to last until September if this year, 6 months from now.

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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Although a lot of people would be relieved if it drops to 22,623 before rebounding.


Perhaps I should point out, here in the moment: these are the days of making the largest gains in funds. Buying at a discount of 6% can get an easy gain on bounce back, in a matter of days instead of the 55 days it recently took to scale this mountain of stock value.
And if it can drop to 22,623 then the rebound can only be reasonably expected to be 5% to 10% of the all-time high, so buying at the end of Monday could still result in a loss.
But regardless, whenever the market hits the best bargain price, that is when the common trader has the greatest opportunity to grow their funds. Although this volatility is just noise, the potential for growth is far greater than days of a couple hundred point gains.

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Originally posted by JO753:
Putin iz dumping Russia'z stake in America. Probably kuz he knowz sumthing.

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DUZ XaT SEM RiT TQ YQ? - Jubal Early

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Should we still jump off?
Yesterday's close was about 21,454.
Looks like all time high of 21,535 was on June 19.

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I'm not. My stock portfolio is up about 18% since Trump was elected. Corporate earnings remain strong, but as we've seen before, things can turn ugly real fast. Best way to protect your investment and your profits is with stop-sell orders. If prices rise you can adjust the threshold upwards. If prices drop, your sell order kicks in and your loss is minimized.

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You guys are so full of shit. Your investments my ass. You act as though Trump saved us all. He's riding on Obamas' success. When President Obama took office on Jan. 20, 2009, the Dow Jones Industrial Average was 7,949.09. As of the end of Obama's term on January 20, 2017, the Dow was 19,732.40

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Should we still jump off?
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I'm not. My stock portfolio is up about 18% since Trump was elected. Corporate earnings remain strong, but as we've seen before, things can turn ugly real fast. Best way to protect your investment and your profits is with stop-sell orders. If prices rise you can adjust the threshold upwards. If prices drop, your sell order kicks in and your loss is minimized.

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You guys are so full of shit. Your investments my ass. You act as though Trump saved us all. He's riding on Obamas' success. When President Obama took office on Jan. 20, 2009, the Dow Jones Industrial Average was 7,949.09. As of the end of Obama's term on January 20, 2017, the Dow was 19,732.40

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Should we still jump off?
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I'm not. My stock portfolio is up about 18% since Trump was elected.

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You guys are so full of shit. Your investments my ass. You act as though Trump saved us all.

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Obama didn't have any success. The DOW has been doing very well for quite a long time because of quantitative easing, and continues to do well under Trump.


JSF is the only one rallying around the DOW and how great Trump is here.

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I'm not sure if you are merely oversimplifying in your summary by intent, or if you really do not comprehend the purpose of my posts in this thread started with the premise that you should sell when prices are low, meaning you will buy when prices are high.

I have indicated, consistently, that you should buy at the low point of a rising Market. You should not sell at the low point, such as 20K Dow. You should wait until the high point to sell, as I have done in the past.

I am not trumpeting the greatness of Trump, exactly. I am pointing out the vast benefits of NOT Obamanomics. Trump is merely breeding success by following known and proven practices and policies, such as those from the example of Reaganomics.

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I'm not sure if you are merely oversimplifying in your summary by intent, or if you really do not comprehend the purpose of my posts in this thread started with the premise that you should sell when prices are low, meaning you will buy when prices are high.

I have indicated, consistently, that you should buy at the low point of a rising Market. You should not sell at the low point, such as 20K Dow. You should wait until the high point to sell, as I have done in the past.

I am not trumpeting the greatness of Trump, exactly. I am pointing out the vast benefits of NOT Obamanomics. Trump is merely breeding success by following known and proven practices and policies, such as those from the example of Reaganomics.

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The continued success of the DOW has little to do with anything that Trump has done. As T correctly stated, the DOW increased 11,000 pts in Obama's 8 years.

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Should we still jump off?
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I'm not. My stock portfolio is up about 18% since Trump was elected. Corporate earnings remain strong, but as we've seen before, things can turn ugly real fast. Best way to protect your investment and your profits is with stop-sell orders. If prices rise you can adjust the threshold upwards. If prices drop, your sell order kicks in and your loss is minimized.

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You guys are so full of shit. Your investments my ass. You act as though Trump saved us all. He's riding on Obamas' success. When President Obama took office on Jan. 20, 2009, the Dow Jones Industrial Average was 7,949.09. As of the end of Obama's term on January 20, 2017, the Dow was 19,732.40

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Obama's "success" - for koolaid drinkers.

On Oct 12, 2007 - just before the Rock The Vote Democraps who took majority of the House had their disastrous first budget take full effect (FY2008) - Dow closed 14,093. Bush had been in office for 6 years.
On Nov 4, 2008 - Election Day - Dow closed at 9,625. A drop of 32% in 13 months that the Rock The Vote Democraps can take credit for.
On Nov 5, 2008 - Black Wednesday, when the results were learned (American voters chose the path of further economic disaster) - Dow closed at 9,139. A drop of 5% in one day which Bobo can take credit for.
By Jan 19, 2009 the impending doom had driven the Dow to 8,279 at close - a drop of another 9.5% since Nov 5 (76 days). Bobo can take credit for this.
On Jan 20, 2009 the Dow dropped another 4% in this single day. A drop of 17.5% since the day of the election. Bobo can take credit for this also.
On Mar 9, 2009 the Dow closed at 6,547. A drop of 21% in Bobo's first 48 days in office. Yep, Obama can take credit for this also. Total of 32% loss since Election Day, matching the loss of a whole year of Democraps in charge (with only Bush43 to reign them in). And a loss of 53% in only 1 year, 4 months since Democraps took control of the Fed Budget.

On November 2, 2010 - Election Day - the Dow closed at 11,188. It had crept up 1,563 points since Obama was elected. Or 16% in 2 years. This is the rate of growth that Bobo could take credit for. Still 2,905 less than before Democraps had taken control of the Federal Budget.
On 27 Jan, 2011 - when the new Congress had taken their seats, discharging the Democrap majorities - Dow closed at 11,989. A gain of 801 points in only 3 months since the election, and only a few weeks in office - despite Bobo still occupying the White House. Can't see Bobo taking credit for the GOP's gains - oops, that's right, Bobo did take credit where not due.

By Jan 20, 2017 - with 6 years of GOP control of Congress, the Dow had gained 76%, despite Bobo still occupying the White House.
By Jun 19, 2017 the Dow achieved 21,535. A gain of 1,803 point and over 9% in only the first 5 months of Trump taking office.

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A gy hoo uzed to hav a seat on the Chicago Stock Exchanje told me he'd be doing indexez if he wuz still a trader.

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This opinionator sez take your winningz and leave the table.

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We should probably all Jump Off for fear that we might make too much income as the Market continues to gain.

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We should probably all Jump Off for fear that we might make too much income as the Market continues to gain.

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Would you be interested in an indicator with more 100 years of history, an excellent record at calling multi-generational tops in the U.S. stock market, and which has just flashed only its sixth sell signal since 1895?
www.marketwatch.com/story/the-stock-markets-latest-sell-signal-has-hap
pened-only-5-other-times-since-1895-2018-08-21

To be sure, this risk indicator is not a short-term market timing tool. In the wake of past occasions when it rose above 2.0, equities stayed high or even continued rising for many months. However, in all cases, a major decline or crash followed, pulling down stock prices by 50% or more.

Are you willing and able to stick with your current equity exposure through the next bear market?
www.marketwatch.com/story/what-the-next-bear-market-will-look-like-201
8-08-21

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What kind of retard would consider this pile of manure to be useful? What sort of Institution of Mental Defectives does this Cardiff clown work at? Oh, golly, he pretends to be Employed at a College? How shocking!

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We should probably all Jump Off for fear that we might make too much income as the Market continues to gain.

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Would you be interested in an indicator with more 100 years of history, an excellent record at calling multi-generational tops in the U.S. stock market, and which has just flashed only its sixth sell signal since 1895?
www.marketwatch.com/story/the-stock-markets-latest-sell-signal-has-hap
pened-only-5-other-times-since-1895-2018-08-21

To be sure, this risk indicator is not a short-term market timing tool. In the wake of past occasions when it rose above 2.0, equities stayed high or even continued rising for many months. However, in all cases, a major decline or crash followed, pulling down stock prices by 50% or more.

Are you willing and able to stick with your current equity exposure through the next bear market?
www.marketwatch.com/story/what-the-next-bear-market-will-look-like-201
8-08-21

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Do you even bother to make a pretense of reading any of the Manure that you post? Are you illiterate? Or you just hope the rest of us are retarded enough to fall for your useless lying drivel?

That chart shows that there was no signal during the Jiminy Cotta disastrous economy of the late 70s. And after the 60s, the only sell signal started around 1997, when the Dow was around 7,000. The next (and only) drop of 50% following the 1960s was the Rock-The-Vote Democrap Recession starting with FY2008 (October 2007, at 14,000) and completing the Bear slide on 9 March 2009, at under 6,000.
In between 1997 and 2007 the Dow went from 7,000 to the verge of 12,000 (gain of 70%) by April 2000, then after April 2001 down to about 7,400 (still above the 7,000 level of 1997) by around 2002/2003, and then back up to 14,000 (another gain of almost 100% since 2003, or a gain of 100% since 1997) in October 2007 before the Rock-The-Vote Democraps placed their very first Federal Budget into effect.

By the time 2005 rolled around, that chart was not even signalling to sell anymore.

What kind of retard would consider this pile of manure to be useful? What sort of Institution of Mental Defectives does this Cardiff clown work at? Oh, golly, he pretends to be Employed at a College? How shocking!

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What kind of retard would consider this pile of manure to be useful? What sort of Institution of Mental Defectives does this Cardiff clown work at? Oh, golly, he pretends to be Employed at a College? How shocking!

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I see you are pretty damn sure there won't be a bear market. Good luck with that conviction! But you completely missed that Mark Hulbert, who has been publishing a newsletter since 1980 that looks at the track record of all stock market advisers, knows that there will be a bear market, just not right now. http://hulbertratings.com/

What happened the last time the indicator rose above the 2.0 level, which was in 1998? That market bubble burst in March 2000. I made a ton of money buying all those cheap stocks from desperate sellers and I am looking forward to doing it again in a couple of years from the optimistic owners of today's high priced stocks who will be the fearful sellers of the future's low priced stocks.

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One version of second's delusion.

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One version of second's delusion.

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Trump shares the delusion. He warns, in an exclusive interview with Fox News' Ainsley Earhardt:
“If I ever got impeached, I think the market would crash, I think everybody would be very poor, because without this thinking, you would see — you would see numbers that you wouldn’t believe in reverse.”

www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/08/23/trump-declares-market-would-crash-
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I like the idea of Trump being impeached; the market crashes; I buy cheap stocks sold in a panic by Republicans; I make a fortune when the stocks go up again. Make America Great Again!

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Here second displays his logic failure.
Second claims that Trump shares second's delusion that the Market will crash regardless of whatever Trump does, because a useless chart indicates it will.
The facts, however, show that Trump actually said that the Market will crash if Trump is impeached, which makes clear that if Trump suffers any delusion, it is not the same as this delusion of second's.

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Here second displays his logic failure.
Second claims that Trump shares second's delusion that the Market will crash regardless of whatever Trump does, because a useless chart indicates it will.
The facts, however, show that Trump actually said that the Market will crash if Trump is impeached, which makes clear that if Trump suffers any delusion, it is not the same as this delusion of second's.

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Hey, JSF, I showed that the market has crashed landed in 2002 and 2009. Can you prove it can’t happen to Trump?

Trump can also be wrong about the market crashing when he is impeached. As proved by Clinton’s impeachment and Nixon’s Watergate, the President can be in deep trouble without the stock market crashing. The fate of a President and the crashing of a market are not connected.

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JewelStaiteFan, despite this thread being titled "Dow @ 20K", use the S&P 500, not the Dow Jones, which only losers use for measuring the market. Berkshire Hathaway, which is not run by losers, measures its performance versus the S&P, not the Dow.
www.berkshirehathaway.com/reports.html

Do you notice any peaks and troughs in the numbers for the S&P?

3/24/2000 1527.46
10/9/2002 776.76
10/9/2007 1565.15
3/9/2009 676.53
Yesterday 2861.82
www.yardeni.com/pub/sp500corrbeartables.pdf

Are you certain the market can’t drop to 1400 from yesterday’s closing?

JewelStaiteFan, I never know who is buying high and selling low, who bought near the peak and sold near the trough when I purchase cheap stocks. But during the next bear market, it could be you, especially if you get your politics confused with the stock market. The stock market can be in a bear market even when Trump is in the White House.

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Why do you insist upon displaying how incompetent your math is?
Look, we get it.
We understand you are stupid enough to be a Libtard.
You don't need to detail every day that your Libtard Maths are up to the standard of failure.
You may rest assured that we fully comprehend that if you skip a day of displaying the depths of your incompetence, we can still conjure that you really did continue to be a Libtard on that interim day.
We already understand all this.

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What kind of retard would consider this pile of manure to be useful? What sort of Institution of Mental Defectives does this Cardiff clown work at? Oh, golly, he pretends to be Employed at a College? How shocking!

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I see you are pretty damn sure there won't be a bear market. Good luck with that conviction! But you completely missed that Mark Hulbert, who has been publishing a newsletter since 1980 that looks at the track record of all stock market advisers, knows that there will be a bear market, just not right now. http://hulbertratings.com/

What happened the last time the indicator rose above the 2.0 level, which was in 1998? That market bubble burst in March 2000. I made a ton of money buying all those cheap stocks from desperate sellers and I am looking forward to doing it again in a couple of years from the optimistic owners of today's high priced stocks who will be the fearful sellers of the future's low priced stocks.

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