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Sunday, August 12, 2018 8:48 AM
SECOND
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two
Sunday, August 12, 2018 8:50 AM
6IXSTRINGJACK
Sunday, August 12, 2018 8:58 AM
Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: Oh well. Do Right, Be Right. :)
Sunday, August 12, 2018 9:02 AM
Quote:Originally posted by second: Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: Oh well. Do Right, Be Right. :)Remember it is all about your personal preferences, 6ixStringJack. It does not matter which party wins because if you elect the GOP, Trump will save the climate. If you elect the Democrats, they will save the climate. You said there is no reason to prefer one over the other party. The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
Sunday, August 12, 2018 9:05 AM
Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: Quote:Originally posted by second: Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: Oh well. Do Right, Be Right. :)Remember it is all about your personal preferences, 6ixStringJack. It does not matter which party wins because if you elect the GOP, Trump will save the climate. If you elect the Democrats, they will save the climate. You said there is no reason to prefer one over the other party. The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly There isn't. It doesn't matter either way and there's nothing I can do about it. You're a 1%'er with all the power. Get to work buddy. Do Right, Be Right. :)
Sunday, August 12, 2018 9:08 AM
SIGNYM
I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.
Quote:I am from Texas and we ain't taking any petroyuan for our natural gas or crude. China will pay in U.S. dollars or else we are not selling to them. Obviously the day will come when Texas reservoirs run dry, but until then no petroyuan, only dollars.
Quote: U.S. dollar-denominated assets comprised 63.79 percent of disclosed foreign exchange reserves; euro-denominated assets, 19.91 percent; yen-denominated assets, 4.64 percent; pound-denominated assets, 4.41 percent; Canadian-dollar-denominated assets, 1.95 percent; Australian dollar-denominated assets, 1.77 percent; renminbi-denominated assets, 1.07 percent; Swiss franc-denominated assets, 0.17 percent; and assets denominated in other currencies, 2.30 percent.
Sunday, August 12, 2018 9:43 AM
Monday, August 13, 2018 7:06 AM
Tuesday, August 14, 2018 6:14 AM
Tuesday, August 14, 2018 9:22 AM
Tuesday, August 14, 2018 9:37 AM
CAPTAINCRUNCH
... stay crunchy...
Quote:Originally posted by second: The Trump administration is dismantling financial protections for the military Predatory lenders disproportionately target military members. The Consumer Financial Protection Bureau (CFPB) will no longer supervise them. The bureau’s supervisory staff offices have typically conducted proactive checks that make sure lenders aren’t charging military members exorbitant interest rates, pushing them into forced arbitration, or otherwise not following guidelines outlined in the Military Lending Act, a 2006 law that protects active duty military members and their families from financial fraud, predatory loans, and credit gouging. Now the agency, under interim director Mick Mulvaney, is planning to end its use of these supervisory examinations of lenders. The Trump administration has also proposed changes that could open service members up to predatory practices when they buy cars. The administration has proposed easing restrictions on “gap insurance,” an add-on to car insurance that covers the difference between the amount a car owner owes on the car and the car’s actual cash value. Gap insurance is typically available from regular insurance companies for a very low price, as little as $20 to $30 a year, but car dealers often mark it up by hundreds of dollars. Current rules effectively block auto dealers from tacking on overpriced gap insurance to military service members, but the administration has sent a proposal to the Defense Department looking to revise the rules. (If the proposal does eventually make it out of the Defense Department, it will ultimately require the approval of the Office of Management and Budget, which Mulvaney also heads.) More at www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/8/14/17684810/military-lending-act-mick-mulvaney-cfpb-loans The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
Tuesday, August 14, 2018 11:24 AM
Quote:I've seen Trump defenders say they like his policies and I wonder, "what policies exactly?
Tuesday, August 14, 2018 11:38 AM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: Quote:I've seen Trump defenders say they like his policies and I wonder, "what policies exactly? Staying out of the TTP and TTIP and stalling NAFTA. Those are unalloyed success stories. Peace on the Korean Peninsula and bringing the troops home from Korea, Syria, Afghanistan, and Iraq? Normalizing relations with Russia? Those are success stories yet to be written. ----------- Pity would be no more, If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake "The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND America is an oligarchy http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=57876
Wednesday, August 15, 2018 6:04 AM
Wednesday, August 15, 2018 7:04 AM
Wednesday, August 15, 2018 7:25 AM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: Quote:I've seen Trump defenders say they like his policies and I wonder, "what policies exactly? Staying out of the TTP and TTIP and stalling NAFTA. Those are unalloyed success stories.
Wednesday, August 15, 2018 7:34 AM
Wednesday, August 15, 2018 11:04 AM
Quote: You think most Trump defenders even know what those first 2 are? Me neither.
Quote:As to their value, hard to say. It means we're left out of the discussion with TTP - that's weak and "not good." TTIP - same. Folding our arms and scowling isn't deal making.
Wednesday, August 15, 2018 11:39 AM
Wednesday, August 15, 2018 4:48 PM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: Let me give you another quick example: Say that you sympathize with illegal immigrants. You think their influx should be unlimited. Therefore, you're an advocate of "open borders". How does that work at the extremes? What if we had 40 million people crossing our borders next year? How does that work? How could we MAKE it work? Do we WANT to make it work? What does this position conflict with? How do we resolve the conflict(s)? Give it some thought. Stop reacting: Think. "The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND
Wednesday, August 15, 2018 8:46 PM
Quote: As you asked for it, Signym, I gave it some thought. I stopped reacting.
Quote:I think that Trump should deport as soon as possible all illegal aliens living long term in America.
Quote:I think Trump should shutdown the government if he doesn't get the Texas/Mexico wall authorized by Congress.
Quote:Instead, he is concentrating on captures along the border.
Wednesday, August 15, 2018 10:08 PM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: Quote: As you asked for it, Signym, I gave it some thought. I stopped reacting. Liar. And I'll prove it ... Quote:I think that Trump should deport as soon as possible all illegal aliens living long term in America. If you've thought about this, as you SAID you did, then you should be able to answer this question: What do you hope would be accomplished by this policy? After all, there must be a purpose or benefit from proposing such action. I think that you'll evade the question because we both know that yours was a ridiculous proposal to begin with, and if you should try to support it you'll soon walk yourself into a wall. Quote:I think Trump should shutdown the government if he doesn't get the Texas/Mexico wall authorized by Congress. But you just said that Quote:Instead, he is concentrating on captures along the border. as if border captures were AGAINST your proposal. So, now you WANT him to do what you DIDN'T want him to do a few sentences earlier? Isn't this an example of exactly what I posted? That people often [thoughtlessly] contradict themselves from one post to the other? Well! you managed to do that in a single post, so congrats! **** Seriously, SECOND, I imagine you pouting and drinking.
Thursday, August 16, 2018 2:55 AM
Quote:Signym, why would I want illegal aliens living in America?
Quote: They are illegal. They should go – to jail, to their home country, whichever the law says.
Thursday, August 16, 2018 6:04 AM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: Quote:Signym, why would I want illegal aliens living in America? You said it yourself: They work hard and they're cheap. Quote: They are illegal. They should go – to jail, to their home country, whichever the law says. Why? I know MY issues with illegal immigrants, and it has nothing to do with "brown". So, aside from what Trump says, what'r YOUR reason for not wanting 11 million illegal immigrants in the USA? Stop using Trump as your sockpuppet. Speak for yourself, man! Show us that you've done some thinking! ----------- Pity would be no more, If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake "The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND
Thursday, August 16, 2018 7:24 AM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: I'm just going to make a general comment here ... It seems to me that I spend a lot of posts repeating the same things over and over. I have a general understanding of what I think is good for Americans and how I think we can get there. It's certainly not 100% correct, but at least I took some time to think it through to its fundamental principles ... what am I "for" more? Corporations or democracy? Foreign money or peace? Efficiency or robustness? Globalism or nationalism? Meritocracy or privilege? Many of you OTOH just endlessly splatter the board with undigested, contradictory bits and pieces of ghafla. As soon as one of your (mostly) stupid points is dispatched, you bring up another (mostly) stupid point. Quite often, you'll recycle a (mostly) stupid point from a previous post without, apparently, even realizing that that point has already been eliminated several times by some of your other (mostly) stupid posts. It would be nice if you would, some day, sit down and THINK. Yanno, track down what you feel, and - especially - WHY you feel that way. What or who are you defending? Why? "The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND
Thursday, August 16, 2018 10:22 AM
Quote:Congress passed laws defining who is illegal. In my opinion, these are perfectly reasonable laws.
Thursday, August 16, 2018 11:03 AM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: Quote:Congress passed laws defining who is illegal. In my opinion, these are perfectly reasonable laws. What aspect is "reasonable"? Is it the limits and allowances on immigration? The kinds of visas available? The deportation process? What kinds of laws would be "UNreasonable"? What is it about the presence of so many "illegal aliens" that's the problem? Is it an economic one? A cultural one? Or are you simply objecting to the fact that the first thing that these immigrants did is to break our border laws? If THAT's the basic issue, what is it about the presence of these lawbreakers that you find troubling? After all, every American has broken the speeding limit and not gotten caught ... how is that different from this? Do you feel that they represent a large population which has no allegiance to the USA or fundamental respect for our laws? Do you feel that indicates basic criminality which presages further criminality? In other words, what SPECIFICALLY is your problem with the presence of so many illegal aliens living here? "The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND
Thursday, August 16, 2018 11:15 AM
Quote:You have a lot of questions for me- SECOND
Thursday, August 16, 2018 11:58 AM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: Quote:You have a lot of questions for me- SECOND Yes, because this was all about YOU THINKING. Now, you SAID that you gave this issue some thought. And since you obviously haven't thought about it at all and were just making snarky proposals, you walked yourself into a wall after just a few questions, as predicted. You're just a puppet with strings attached, and all anyone has to do is pull the right strings and you'll react. I've said that your opinions are SECONDHAND and was right. If at some point you want to stop splattering the board with random bits of undigested schiess, and are ready for an honest discussion, let me know. "The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND
Quote:“Hiring many thousands of judges, and going through a long and complicated legal process, is not the way to go – will always be disfunctional. People must simply be stopped at the Border and told they cannot come into the U.S. illegally. Children brought back to their country…… ….If this is done, illegal immigration will be stopped in it’s tracks – and at very little, by comparison, cost. This is the only real answer – and we must continue to BUILD THE WALL!”
Thursday, August 16, 2018 2:38 PM
Quote:Signym, why is it unimportant to you that Trump is not deporting MS-13?
Quote:NPR: Trump's ICE Deportations Are Up From Obama's Figures, Data Show
Thursday, August 16, 2018 3:12 PM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: I'm just going to make a general comment here ... It seems to me that I spend a lot of posts repeating the same things over and over. I have a general understanding of what I think is good for Americans and how I think we can get there. It's certainly not 100% correct, but at least I took some time to think it through to its fundamental principles ... what am I "for" more? Corporations or democracy? Foreign money or peace? Efficiency or robustness? Globalism or nationalism? Meritocracy or privilege? Many of you OTOH just endlessly splatter the board with undigested, contradictory bits and pieces of ghafla. As soon as one of your (mostly) stupid points is dispatched, you bring up another (mostly) stupid point. Quite often, you'll recycle a (mostly) stupid point from a previous post without, apparently, even realizing that that point has already been eliminated several times by some of your other (mostly) stupid posts. It would be nice if you would, some day, sit down and THINK. Yanno, track down what you feel, and - especially - WHY you feel that way. What or who are you defending? Why? Bird-dog the essential principles that are driving that reaction. Look at how that principle behaves at the extremes; whether or not it conflicts with other essential principles (most likely it does); and resolve that conflict. I know ... thinking. It's hard work. So best get to it; sooner is better. **** I just gave GSTRING a[nother] run-through on the conflict between "government regulation" and "free trade"; I hope it sticks this time, and maybe he will (finally) resolve the contradiction between his own two positions and decide how much of each he wants. Let me give you another quick example: Say that you sympathize with illegal immigrants. You think their influx should be unlimited. Therefore, you're an advocate of "open borders". How does that work at the extremes? What if we had 40 million people crossing our borders next year? How does that work? How could we MAKE it work? Do we WANT to make it work? What does this position conflict with? How do we resolve the conflict(s)? Give it some thought. Stop reacting: Think.
Thursday, August 16, 2018 3:19 PM
Quote:I spent 2 years proving you and Kiki to be frauds & fooligans when it came to Russia's invasion of Ukraine.
Thursday, August 16, 2018 3:21 PM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: Quote:I spent 2 years proving you and Kiki to be frauds & fooligans when it came to Russia's invasion of Ukraine. An "invasion" which didn't use air support, cross-border artillery, lines of tanks visible by satellite, installations, or masses of troops. Yeah, some "invasion"! As I have posted probably a couple-dozen times by now, it involved arms, supplies, intel, some troops and trainers, and a porous border but left no permanent footprint in Donbas, and involved no violence in Crimea (maybe a few shots fired, but not by Russians). I would call it a "proxy war" or a "hybrid war", but clearly Russia was not interested in establishing a permanent presence in eastern Ukraine, and was concerned only with their naval base in Sevastopol which they acquired without violence.
Thursday, August 16, 2018 4:26 PM
Thursday, August 16, 2018 5:09 PM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: But let me ask YOU: Why is it unimportant to you that you're such a mindless partisan? When you're ready not be such a tool, let me know.
Thursday, August 16, 2018 5:27 PM
Quote:Now you know, Signym. When Trump says he kept a promise but he did not, is it partisan to take note of his failure?
Thursday, August 16, 2018 5:45 PM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: Quote:Now you know, Signym. When Trump says he kept a promise but he did not, is it partisan to take note of his failure? DID Trump fail? NPR says not.
Thursday, August 16, 2018 6:43 PM
Thursday, August 16, 2018 7:33 PM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: When you're ready to have an honest discussion ... and really, I doubt that you ever will but who knows ... get back to me on the topic. "The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND
Thursday, August 16, 2018 9:28 PM
Quote: When you're ready to have an honest discussion ... and really, I doubt that you ever will but who knows ... get back to me on the topic. - SIGNY Signym, now I know you are living in Russia because you don’t remember this happening in America- SECOND
Friday, August 17, 2018 6:30 AM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: Quote: When you're ready to have an honest discussion ... and really, I doubt that you ever will but who knows ... get back to me on the topic. - SIGNY Signym, now I know you are living in Russia because you don’t remember this happening in America- SECOND STILL not ready to have an honest discussion??? "The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND
Friday, August 17, 2018 6:57 AM
Quote: When a politician says he kept a promise but he did not, is it partisan to take note of the failure?
Friday, August 17, 2018 8:28 AM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: Quote: When a politician says he kept a promise but he did not, is it partisan to take note of the failure? That's a dishonest question. If you were being honest (with yourself) you would never have asked that question. One of these times, you might find a glimmer of truthfulness in yourself somewhere, but this was not that moment.
Friday, August 17, 2018 8:43 AM
Friday, August 17, 2018 10:04 AM
Quote:Many of you OTOH just endlessly splatter the board with undigested, contradictory bits and pieces of ghafla.
Quote: As soon as one of your (mostly) stupid points is dispatched, you bring up another (mostly) stupid point. Quite often, you'll recycle a (mostly) stupid point from a previous post without, apparently, even realizing that that point has already been eliminated several times by some of your other (mostly) stupid posts. It would be nice if you would, some day, sit down and THINK. Yanno, track down what you feel, and - especially - WHY you feel that way. What or who are you defending? Why? Bird-dog the essential principles that are driving that reaction. Look at how that principle behaves at the extremes; whether or not it conflicts with other essential principles (most likely it does); and resolve that conflict. I know ... thinking. It's hard work. So best get to it; sooner is better.
Friday, August 17, 2018 3:32 PM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: I see that you're back to splattering the board, again. Seriously, SECOND, does it not trouble you that you're so unhinged and dishonest? Honesty is also hard work, but you can't think objectively if you can't even be honest with yourself, and view your own reactions realistically. That's another habit you might want to start developing. "The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND
Friday, August 17, 2018 9:04 PM
Saturday, August 18, 2018 7:17 AM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: SECOND, what is really troubling you? I don't ever remember you being engaged in "the issues" until Trump came along, and - all of the sudden- EVERYTHING became a crisis for you! "The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND
Saturday, August 18, 2018 4:22 PM
Saturday, August 18, 2018 5:05 PM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: SECOND, you still don't "get it", do you? I can't have a conversation with Jimmy Carter, so why are you posting his opinion?? It's one thing to link to facts, figures, information, etc but if all you do is transmit other peoples' opinions, what's the point??? I can only discuss this with you. I want to know what YOU think. DO you think???
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