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Friday, July 27, 2018 3:21 PM
SIGNYM
I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.
Quote:Signym, I should have testified ..
Friday, July 27, 2018 3:34 PM
SECOND
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: Quote:Signym, I should have testified .. You're a religious fanatic, SECOND. Your religion is the Democratic Party, and your "satan" is the GOP. Your "testimony" is worth as much as any religious person "testifying" in church. Go testify someplace else. ----------- Pity would be no more, If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake "The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND America is an oligarchy http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=57876
Sunday, July 29, 2018 6:35 AM
Sunday, July 29, 2018 7:30 AM
6IXSTRINGJACK
Quote:Originally posted by second: Democrats agreed more strongly than Republicans did that climate change is a concerning reality. And among climate skeptics there were more Republicans than Democrats. Nevertheless, most Republicans were in basic agreement with most Democrats and independents on this issue. This raises a question: If Democrats and Republicans agree about climate change, why do they disagree about climate policy? Republican opposition to climate policy has occurred, in part, because climate policy has been a Democratic issue. As part of our research, we interviewed several retired members of Congress, both Republicans and Democrats, who stressed this point. Bob Inglis, a former Republican congressman from South Carolina, spoke of his opposition in his first several years in Congress: “All I knew was that Al Gore was for it, and therefore I was against it.” This implies that if the tables were turned — if Republican politicians proposed a climate policy — Republican voters might support it. In our research, that is exactly what we have found. Our studies suggest that climate policy gridlock is largely about exaggerating disagreement for the sake of disagreement. Our studies revealed a consistent, if somewhat surprising, pattern: Political disagreement was substantially smaller when it came to Republican-backed policies. In particular, there was very little distance between Republicans and Democrats when evaluating a Republican-proposed carbon tax. This suggests that a carbon tax such as the one proposed by prominent Republicans including James Baker III and Mr. Shultz may hold more promise for bipartisan agreement than we have seen with Democratic policies in the past. More at www.nytimes.com/2018/07/28/opinion/sunday/republicans-climate-change.html The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
Sunday, July 29, 2018 10:05 AM
Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: I agree 100% with the article. The problem, Second, is that when you read the article, you believed this was only a problem with Republicans. That's not what the article implies. Do Right, Be Right. :)
Sunday, July 29, 2018 10:34 AM
Quote:Originally posted by second: Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: I agree 100% with the article. The problem, Second, is that when you read the article, you believed this was only a problem with Republicans. That's not what the article implies. Do Right, Be Right. :)You ignored the fact that Trump told the world there is no such thing as Climate Change. The Trump voters went along, as did the GOP.
Quote: But Trump is wrong and he will stay wrong as long as it will get him votes from coal miners.
Quote:And the rest of the Republicans will follow Trump's leadership, right or wrong.
Quote:Nobody on the Democratic side has that power to make Democrats act as if there is no such thing as Climate Change.
Sunday, July 29, 2018 8:43 PM
Quote:Signym, you have lost your fucking mind as has the typical Texas Trump voter. The exception is the Rich Trump voters. They voted for Trump to get a $1.5 trillion tax cut. That is a completely sane and healthy reason. Selfish, yet sane. As for the reasoning of the non-Rich Trump voters, they have very silly thoughts flying around in their numb skulls: Signym, I should have testified that Texas Republicans in Harris County would vote for Putin rather than Hillary. Did you know Hillary killed four Americans at Benghazi with her bare hands and bathed in their blood? Ask any Texas Republican. They know for a fact she walked over their corpses. Even Putin as US President would be better than her, despite him being ineligible because he is not a native born American. Obama got elected and you know he was born in Kenya and was less eligible to be President than Putin. Ask a Texas Republican and they will tell you that rock-solid and true fact.
Quote: Signym, you have lost your fucking mind as has the typical Texas Trump voter.
Quote: The exception is the Rich Trump voters. They voted for Trump to get a $1.5 trillion tax cut. That is a completely sane and healthy reason. Selfish, yet sane. As for the reasoning of the non-Rich Trump voters, they have very silly thoughts flying around in their numb skulls
Quote:Signym, I should have testified that Texas Republicans in Harris County would vote for Putin rather than Hillary. Did you know Hillary killed four Americans at Benghazi with her bare hands and bathed in their blood? Ask any Texas Republican. They know for a fact she walked over their corpses. Even Putin as US President would be better than her, despite him being ineligible because he is not a native born American. Obama got elected and you know he was born in Kenya and was less eligible to be President than Putin. Ask a Texas Republican and they will tell you that rock-solid and true fact.
Monday, July 30, 2018 2:32 PM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: SECOND, your answer make zero sense, and if anyone has lost their mind, it's you. Step by step ... Again, I doubt you know anything about Texas Republicans. I think you have this idee fixe about "the enemy" and nothing ... not even real life or real people... will get in your way.
Monday, July 30, 2018 3:34 PM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: I wonder... do you even recall what my reasoning is?
Monday, July 30, 2018 3:47 PM
Quote:Signym, your reasoning has zero importance beyond your skull. Now for someone whose reasoning is important:
Quote: Trump's Supreme Court nominee Kavanaugh is, to put it bluntly, an anti-worker radical, opposed to every effort to protect working families from fraud and mistreatment.
Monday, July 30, 2018 4:59 PM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: What a tool. Do you really expect us to believe that you're "pro-worker"? My god, you're stupider than a Texas Republican.
Tuesday, July 31, 2018 1:19 AM
1KIKI
Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.
Tuesday, July 31, 2018 2:04 AM
Tuesday, July 31, 2018 7:48 AM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: SECOND, you have spent your entire posting time here grabbing anything that came into reach ... opinions, speculation, lies, distortions, irrelevancies, cartoons, and maybe even a few facts here and there ... grabbing them with both hands as fast as you possibly can and and furiously flinging them against a wall just to see what sticks. Now, at THIS point I have no idea what sort of mental malfunction or ethical lapse causes you to do that, but as a result you don't care whether you're posting truth or fiction; you don't care about Americans or American workers or anything to do with America. Because you don't care whether you post truth or not, almost everything you post is just so much shit, and it sure isn't worth wading thru. ----------- Pity would be no more, If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake "The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND
Tuesday, July 31, 2018 7:53 AM
Tuesday, July 31, 2018 8:12 AM
Tuesday, July 31, 2018 10:30 AM
Quote:SECOND, you have spent your entire posting time here grabbing anything that came into reach ... opinions, speculation, lies, distortions, irrelevancies, cartoons, and maybe even a few facts here and there ... grabbing them with both hands as fast as you possibly can and and furiously flinging them against a wall just to see what sticks. Now, at THIS point I have no idea what sort of mental malfunction or ethical lapse causes you to do that, but as a result you don't care whether you're posting truth or fiction; you don't care about Americans or American workers or anything to do with America. Because you don't care whether you post truth or not, almost everything you post is just so much shit, and it sure isn't worth wading thru.- SIGNY Signym, why not accuse me of being from Satan? - SECOND
Quote: Now for a Fact that Signym will either outright reject or twist into meaninglessness: In their forthcoming book, political scientists J. Sides, M. Tesler, and L. Vavreck analyze reams of data and show that racial resentment activated economic anxiety, rather than the other way around:
Quote: This is unnerving data, as we tend to imagine the economy as a rare subject on which objective facts, rather than group conflicts, drive opinions.
Quote:“Republicans in the highest income quintile, those making more than $100,000 per year, were actually slightly less satisfied than Democrats in the lowest income quintile, those making less than $20,000 per year.”
Wednesday, August 1, 2018 6:42 AM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: It's a stupid article about a stupid book, as far as I can tell. Just like most of your stupid secondhand posts which seek to MAKE A POINT instead of analyzing events. You've made such a mission of posting such stupid, biased, baseless articles that at this point you discredit anything that you post. "The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND
Wednesday, August 1, 2018 6:54 AM
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Wednesday, August 1, 2018 8:06 AM
Wednesday, August 1, 2018 8:14 AM
Wednesday, August 1, 2018 8:19 AM
Wednesday, August 1, 2018 8:26 AM
Wednesday, August 1, 2018 8:45 AM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: SECOND, I challenge you to find a pattern that correlated with "Democrat" and "Republican" Presidents. "The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND
Wednesday, August 1, 2018 9:10 AM
JO753
rezident owtsidr
Wednesday, August 1, 2018 9:17 AM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: So, SECOND, as predicted ... when you fail with one argument you just grab a different handful of shit to fling at the wall? That's why you discredit everything you post. It's crystal clear that you don't even care if you can demonstrate [with evidence] the underpinnings of the pointless screeching that you bring here, you just want to screech. Some day, when I have a lot more time than I do now, I should list all of the arguments that you've abandoned, just in this thread alone. There must be a couple dozen by now, especially if I count the ones that you burp up over and over and over ... In the meantime, I've developed a theory for why you behave the way that you do ... It goes like this: You made it big. You're the first one in your (nonwhite) family to become filthy stinking rich. YOU know it's not fair, and you feel like a class and race traitor. But you can's stop it. The rewards of being filthy stinking rich are just to great to give up, plus you've got the process down-pat. So you're desperate for someone else... ANYone else .... to rein in your behavior and take away some of that wealth that you feel, in your deepest self, is truly ill-gotten. The hate that you project on everyone else is merely a reflection of the hate that you feel for yourself. ----------- Pity would be no more, If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake "The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND
Wednesday, August 1, 2018 9:46 AM
Wednesday, August 1, 2018 10:46 AM
Quote:Signym, I called you a lying sack of shit many times.
Quote: Other people have called you a Russian troll. That could be true, but...
Quote:... more likely you are just a crazy American. Do you really think anybody who holds you as contemptible
Quote:... will argue with you to change your mind?
Quote:This is not a debating class where points are rewarded toward a final grade.
Quote:And I am waiting for you and 1kiki to follow through on your threats to sue me. Trump made threats many times, then forgot 'em. Did you learn it from him?
Wednesday, August 1, 2018 1:30 PM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: Quote:And I am waiting for you and 1kiki to follow through on your threats to sue me. Trump made threats many times, then forgot 'em. Did you learn it from him? You will not know the hour nor the day. "The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND
Wednesday, August 1, 2018 1:38 PM
Quote:“The Republican college-educated woman is done. They’re gone. They were going anyway at some point in time. Trump triggers them.”
Wednesday, August 1, 2018 8:44 PM
Quote:Originally posted by JO753: Van Jones prezents u good perspectiv on conservativ voterz: ---------------------------- DUZ XaT SEM RiT TQ YQ? - Jubal Early http://www.7532020.com
Thursday, August 2, 2018 6:29 AM
CAPTAINCRUNCH
... stay crunchy...
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: Quote:Signym, I called you a lying sack of shit many times. Yes, and you are wrong. I don't lie.
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: Quote:... more likely you are just a crazy American. Do you really think anybody who holds you as contemptible They don't think I'M "contemptible" because they ... like you ... have a cardboard cutout in their heads that they're arguing with; after all this time they STILL don't respond accurately to my posts and clearly don't know what I think or why.
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM:THEIR problem ... and it's THEIR problem, not mine ... is lack of listening. Because they want to ARGUE, not converse. I'm more than ready to discuss; I believe I have listened enough where I could respond tho their points, if they would bother to support/ discuss them.
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: I find it revealing that so many people here simply cannot provide a sustained, logical, evidence-based rationale for why they feel/think the way they do. I've had my mind changed on quite a few things because of discussions with other people. If you-all could give me some sound reasons WHY you feel the way that you do, I'd certainly take it into consideration. But I'm not about to have my mind changed by being browbeaten and bullied, You guys are going to have to do some intellectual WORK to accomplish that!.
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: It is, however, a DISCUSSION BOARD. One where people, unfortunately, feel compelled to get in tribal fights and fling poo with both hands.
Thursday, August 2, 2018 7:16 AM
Thursday, August 2, 2018 9:27 AM
Thursday, August 2, 2018 10:28 AM
Quote:Signym, I called you a lying sack of shit many times. - SECOND Yes, and you are wrong. I don't lie.-SIGNY You subscribed to the biggest, longest lie ever told on this forum, so I guess bonus lying points for denying it.- GSTRING
Quote:... more likely you are just a crazy American. Do you really think anybody who holds you as contemptible - SECOND They don't think I'M "contemptible" because they ... like you ... have a cardboard cutout in their heads that they're arguing with; after all this time they STILL don't respond accurately to my posts and clearly don't know what I think or why. - SIGNY Thanks for the thumbnail description of why Libel won't fly in a forum setting.- GSTRING
Quote: We don't know who you are, you are some "cardboard cutout" as you say.- GSTRING
Quote:In fact, when "you" first started posting legal threats I thought your husband had taken over your account.- GSTRING
Quote:It's occurred to me a few times when you lose your sh*t that maybe someone else is at the keyboard.
Quote:THEIR problem ... and it's THEIR problem, not mine ... is lack of listening. Because they want to ARGUE, not converse. I'm more than ready to discuss; I believe I have listened enough where I could respond tho their points, if they would bother to support/ discuss them. - SIGNY Ok, that's just drop dead funny. Years of data show you have no interest in "discussing." If anything, the failure rate of "discussing" anything with you just increases the probability that you are only here to agitate. I'm at 99.8% fwiw. -GSTRING
Quote:I find it revealing that so many people here simply cannot provide a sustained, logical, evidence-based rationale for why they feel/think the way they do. I've had my mind changed on quite a few things because of discussions with other people. If you-all could give me some sound reasons WHY you feel the way that you do, I'd certainly take it into consideration. But I'm not about to have my mind changed by being browbeaten and bullied, You guys are going to have to do some intellectual WORK to accomplish that!.- SIGNY It should be very telling why no one wants to discuss with you! Why don't you get it? - GSTRING
Quote:It is, however, a DISCUSSION BOARD. One where people, unfortunately, feel compelled to get in tribal fights and fling poo with both hands.- SIGNY You are right! I love discussing various topics with the honest people on this board.- GSTRING
Thursday, August 2, 2018 11:01 AM
Quote:Originally posted by 1kiki: "The Gish gallop is a technique used during debating that focuses on overwhelming one's opponent with as many arguments as possible, without regard for accuracy or strength of the arguments" or relevance.
Thursday, August 2, 2018 11:09 AM
Quote:Originally posted by JO753: Van Jones prezents u good perspectiv on conservativ voterz:
Friday, August 3, 2018 11:25 AM
Friday, August 3, 2018 11:28 AM
Friday, August 3, 2018 6:17 PM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: Oh yeah, SECOND ... one MORE point about that book you seem so enamored of ... Quote:“Republicans in the highest income quintile, those making more than $100,000 per year, were actually slightly less satisfied than Democrats in the lowest income quintile, those making less than $20,000 per year.” Not only did they fail to as WHY high-income Republicans were slightly less satisfied than low-income Democrats (which the authors then immediately and- apparently without evidence- tag to "racism") they failed to make another fundamental comparison: How did high-income DEMOCRAT satisfaction compare to low-income Democrat satisfaction? Either the book is completely fucked, or the book review is. In any case, sorry I missed this obvious flaw the first time around. ----------- Pity would be no more, If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake "The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND
Friday, August 3, 2018 8:41 PM
Friday, August 3, 2018 8:59 PM
Quote: The best evidence we have suggests this gets the relationship largely backward. In their forthcoming book Identity Crisis: The 2016 Presidential Campaign and the Battle for the Meaning of America, political scientists John Sides, Michael Tesler, and Lynn Vavreck analyze reams of data and show that racial resentment activated economic anxiety, rather than the other way around: Before Obama’s presidency, how Americans felt about black people did not much affect their perceptions of the economy. After Obama, this changed. In December 2007, racial resentment — which captures whether Americans think deficiencies in black culture are the main reason for racial inequality — was not related to whites’ perceptions of whether the economy was getting better or worse, after accounting for partisanship and ideology. But when these exact same people were re-interviewed in July 2012, racial resentment was a powerful predictor of economic perceptions: the greater someone’s level of racial resentment, the worse they believed the economy was doing.
Saturday, August 4, 2018 1:33 AM
REAVERFAN
Saturday, August 4, 2018 7:43 AM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: SECOND, I read the article. It's just more identity politics, as far as I can tell. The relevant part of the article .... which you seem to want me to focus on, is this Quote: The best evidence we have suggests this gets the relationship largely backward. In their forthcoming book Identity Crisis: The 2016 Presidential Campaign and the Battle for the Meaning of America, political scientists John Sides, Michael Tesler, and Lynn Vavreck analyze reams of data and show that racial resentment activated economic anxiety, rather than the other way around: Before Obama’s presidency, how Americans felt about black people did not much affect their perceptions of the economy. After Obama, this changed. In December 2007, racial resentment — which captures whether Americans think deficiencies in black culture are the main reason for racial inequality — was not related to whites’ perceptions of whether the economy was getting better or worse, after accounting for partisanship and ideology. But when these exact same people were re-interviewed in July 2012, racial resentment was a powerful predictor of economic perceptions: the greater someone’s level of racial resentment, the worse they believed the economy was doing. What the authors found was (they said) a CORRELATION. "racial resentment = economic dissatisfaction" But SOMETHING HAPPENED between 2007 (when people were first interviewed) and 2012, when they were re-interviewed. What was it?? Think hard, I know you can figure it out. And, as we all know ... correlation is not causation. There are a whole bunch of factors that might be tied together that lump "racial resentment" in with "economic dissatisfaction". For example, it's possible that poor rural whites or whites in manufacturing jobs ... who might be somewhat more racist than average, were hit PARTICULARLY hard by the Great Collapse. Now, what the authors needed to do ... and perhaps they did and the article never mentions is ... is what is called a "multivariate analysis" in which the effect of different factors are teased out from each other. There really wasn't enough detail in the article to be supportive of the points the author was making; it just seemed like so much blah-blah-blah of regurgitated suppositions. Maybe there's a real point in there somewhere but I couldn't find it. It seemed like the intent of the article was to make white people feel guilty for being white, or something. ----------- Pity would be no more, If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake "The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND America is an oligarchy http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=57876
Saturday, August 4, 2018 10:51 AM
Quote:Signym, you are bullshiting at great length about what you don't comprehend. You definitely are Bester.
Quote:This is the core cleavage of our politics, and it reflects the fundamental reality of our era: America is changing, and fast
Quote:I spent months talking with politicians, social psychologists, and political scientists about what happens in moments like this one, moments when a majority feels its dominance beginning to fail.
Quote: Schiffhauer published a fascinating paper called “Racial attitudes in response to thoughts of White privilege.” They found that priming white college students to think about the concept of white privilege led them to express more racial resentment in subsequent surveys. The simplest way to activate someone’s identity is to threaten it, to tell them they don’t truly deserve what they have, to make them consider that it might be taken away.
Saturday, August 4, 2018 11:17 AM
Quote: At the time of writing there are apparently over 70 different gender options in the West, not to mention numerous sexualities - the traditional LGBT acronym has thus far grown to LGBTQQIP2SAA. Adding race to the mix results in an even greater number of possible permutations or identities. Each subgroup has its own ideology. Precious time is spent fighting against those deemed less oppressed and telling them to ‘check their privilege’ as the ever-changing pecking order of the ‘Oppression Olympics’ plays out. The rules to this sport are as fluid as the identities taking part. One of the latest dilemmas affecting the identity politics movement is the issue of whether men transitioning to women deserve recognition and acceptance or 'whether trans women aren’t women and are apparently “raping” lesbians'. The ideology of identity politics asserts that the straight white male is at the apex of the privilege pyramid, responsible for the oppression of all other groups. His original sin condemns him to everlasting shame. While it is true that straight white men (as a group) have faced less obstacles than females, non-straight men or ethnic minorities, the majority of straight white men, past and present, also struggle to survive from paycheck to paycheck and are not personally involved in the oppression of any other group. While most of the world’s wealthiest individuals are Caucasian males, millions of white men exist who are both poor and powerless
Saturday, August 4, 2018 3:51 PM
THG
Sunday, August 5, 2018 2:33 AM
Quote:You're dealing with Q SECOND
Sunday, August 5, 2018 7:08 AM
Quote:Originally posted by THG: You're dealing with Q SECOND. Nothing but deniers of facts and promoters of conspiracies. Nuts and Russian trolls SECOND, nuts and Russian trolls. T
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