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Saturday, June 30, 2018 3:57 PM
SIGNYM
I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.
Saturday, June 30, 2018 4:05 PM
SECOND
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: Quote:As we're finding out today, though, this might actually be a pretty prescient story about how democracies and the international (or interplanetary) order they've created fall apart. - SECOND And a good thing, too! There is nothing "democratic" about the WTO, or other "free trade" deals, or the BIS and it's coterie of central banks, or the Troika and its administration of the EU currency, or the various western military alliances.
Quote:As we're finding out today, though, this might actually be a pretty prescient story about how democracies and the international (or interplanetary) order they've created fall apart. - SECOND
Saturday, June 30, 2018 4:42 PM
Quote: Too bad for Signym and Trump. None of your rants matter even slightly since Congress is not going to withdraw from the WTO. It’s just another story about all the weird stuff idiot Trump (and ignorant Signym) rant about. Someone should make a list.- SECOND
Saturday, June 30, 2018 5:30 PM
JJ
Quote:Originally posted by second: Too bad for Signym and Trump. None of your rants matter even slightly since Congress is not going to withdraw from the WTO. It’s just another story about all the weird stuff idiot Trump (and ignorant Signym) rant about. Someone should make a list. www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2018/06/donald-trump-is-not-going-to-withdraw-from-the-wto/ The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly]
Saturday, June 30, 2018 5:56 PM
Quote:Too bad for SECOND and THUGR. None of your rants matter even slightly since Trump didn't collude with Russia. It’s just another story about all the stuff that Trump supposedly did. Someone should make a list.- THUGR
Tuesday, July 3, 2018 7:38 AM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: FIFY
Tuesday, July 3, 2018 10:19 AM
Tuesday, July 3, 2018 1:04 PM
1KIKI
Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.
Wednesday, July 4, 2018 10:15 AM
Wednesday, July 4, 2018 10:19 AM
REAVERFAN
Wednesday, July 4, 2018 10:53 AM
Quote:Originally posted by reaverfan: Why yes. Yes, they do.
Thursday, July 5, 2018 9:17 AM
Thursday, July 5, 2018 12:20 PM
Quote:Originally posted by second: The real question, then, is whether the narrow range Trump has settled into represents success or failure. And so we need to establish a baseline: Are Trump’s poll numbers high given what we might expect, or low? 3.8 percent unemployment and 42 percent approval. Is that “winning”? Here’s another way to think about this question: Would President Marco Rubio or Hillary Clinton or Bernie Sanders or Mitt Romney be at 42 percent amidst 3.8 percent unemployment? I doubt it. But I also can’t prove it.
Thursday, July 5, 2018 2:32 PM
CAPTAINCRUNCH
... stay crunchy...
Quote:Originally posted by JJ: Quote:Originally posted by second: The real question, then, is whether the narrow range Trump has settled into represents success or failure. And so we need to establish a baseline: Are Trump’s poll numbers high given what we might expect, or low? 3.8 percent unemployment and 42 percent approval. Is that “winning”? Here’s another way to think about this question: Would President Marco Rubio or Hillary Clinton or Bernie Sanders or Mitt Romney be at 42 percent amidst 3.8 percent unemployment? I doubt it. But I also can’t prove it. I can't see him winning a second term. Time will tell but I just can't see it.
Friday, July 6, 2018 7:37 AM
Friday, July 6, 2018 4:30 PM
Friday, July 6, 2018 11:18 PM
Saturday, July 7, 2018 7:59 AM
6IXSTRINGJACK
Saturday, July 7, 2018 2:21 PM
Saturday, July 7, 2018 3:49 PM
Saturday, July 7, 2018 3:54 PM
Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: No such thing as Nazis in 2018. Do Right, Be Right. :)
Saturday, July 7, 2018 4:02 PM
Quote:Originally posted by 1kiki: Since there are so many places I could post this exonerating tidbit, I'll post it in a few places: https://www.cnn.com/2018/07/06/politics/paul-manafort-trial-public/index.html Prosecutors says any alleged collusion with the Russian government won’t come up at the trial.
Saturday, July 7, 2018 7:09 PM
Quote:Originally posted by reaverfan: Not because there wasn't any.
Quote:Looks like he cut a deal.
Quote: "Manafort faces trial on bank fraud and other financial charges in the Eastern District of Virginia beginning July 25. Until now, there had been no indication that his role in the Trump campaign would become part of the trial, and he had asked the judge to keep details about his ties to President Donald Trump out of the trial. Prosecutors say any alleged collusion with the Russian government won't come up at the trial." They'll prove that later.
Saturday, July 7, 2018 9:14 PM
Sunday, July 8, 2018 6:11 AM
Quote:Originally posted by 1kiki: Whatever. We have a trial of one of the supposed principals of said supposed collusion, not being tried for collusion. In fact, this supposed key player of the supposed collusion is having any reference at all to the supposed collusion being barred from the proceedings. I guess the judge is just a really nice guy or gal who musta' gone along with that request just because Manafort's lawyers asked so sweetly. And not because it was unproven or prejudicial.
Sunday, July 8, 2018 7:19 AM
Sunday, July 8, 2018 7:54 AM
Quote:Originally posted by second: How the modern world fell in love with money Alston, who acts as a watchdog on extreme poverty, said Trump’s administration had passed tax laws that “overwhelmingly benefited the wealthy and worsened inequality”. He said Trump’s policies “seem deliberately designed to remove basic protections from the poorest, punish those who are not in employment and make even basic health care into a privilege”. But Greenfield says the chasm between rich and poor was widening well before the reality TV star’s 2016 election. “The American dream – that everyone has equal opportunity – became a fiction long before Trump,” she says. “Americans don’t hate the rich, as they imagine they could become the rich. They don’t want high taxes as they think they could become rich and won’t want to pay them. But what they dream of is an increasingly unbelievable fantasy.” She says that while examining her photos it became clear to her that “We have left behind the American dream of my dad’s generation where there was the possibility of social mobility and the belief that anyone could make it. The things that were valued then – discipline, hard work and frugality – are not so important now. We have a culture that prizes celebrity, bling and narcissism.” Trump, she says, “is the apotheosis of wealth. With Trump you have wealth and celebrity achieving the ultimate goal. Trump is the natural evolution of the values of our culture.” www.theguardian.com/global/2018/jul/08/generation-wealth-how-the-modern-world-fell-in-love-with-money The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
Sunday, July 8, 2018 8:13 AM
Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: At this point I can dictate my schedule at work. I've been very clear that if they want me full time they have to pay me more. There's a lot more to life than money. Seriously. Fuck money. Do Right, Be Right. :)
Sunday, July 8, 2018 8:53 AM
Quote:Originally posted by second: Sammy "The Bull" Gravano was flipped to prosecute mob boss John Gotti. Why did Sammy flip? Because he made a deal where, if he testified, he would not be prosecuted for murder, although he had killed 19, so that the "Teflon Don" John Gotti could be convicted of one murder. The prosecutor was Mueller. What does this have to do with Manafort? Manafort is Sammy. Trump is Gotti. Mueller is still Mueller. And instead of not prosecuting Sammy for murder, it's not prosecuting Manafort for Russia. Sammy did get some jail time, but not for 19 murders and he is now out and was interviewed by Vanity Fair after Gotti died in jail. Maybe Manafort will be interviewed by Vanity Fair after Trump dies. As fat and old as Trump is, that could be sooner than Gotti rather than later. HOW SCARED SHOULD TRUMP BE OF MUELLER? ASK JOHN GOTTI OR SAMMY “THE BULL” www.vanityfair.com/news/2017/12/how-scared-should-trump-be-of-mueller-ask-john-gotti-or-sammy-the-bull
Sunday, July 8, 2018 9:46 AM
Quote:Originally posted by second: Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: At this point I can dictate my schedule at work. I've been very clear that if they want me full time they have to pay me more. There's a lot more to life than money. Seriously. Fuck money. Do Right, Be Right. :)I’ve got a story about Amazonian tribesmen who have little money but they have their health. They made the same trade-off 6ixStringJack did. Your next step, 6ix, is to stop wearing shoes, start carrying bundles on a banana plantation (or whatever the Indiana equivalent is) and live in a thatch-roof house, which is so inexpensive. Get your bare feet in touch with the rich soil. www.cbsnews.com/news/amazon-tsimane-tribe-diet-lifestyle-habits-healthy-hearts/ Matthew 6:26 6ixStringJack, look at the birds of the air; they do not sow or reap or store away in barns, and yet your heavenly Father feeds them. Are you not much more valuable than they? www.biblestudytools.com/topical-verses/bible-verses-about-animals/ The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
Sunday, July 8, 2018 10:01 AM
Quote:Originally posted by 1kiki: Quote:Originally posted by second: Sammy "The Bull" Gravano was flipped to prosecute mob boss John Gotti. Why did Sammy flip? Because he made a deal where, if he testified, he would not be prosecuted for murder, although he had killed 19, so that the "Teflon Don" John Gotti could be convicted of one murder. The prosecutor was Mueller. What does this have to do with Manafort? Manafort is Sammy. Trump is Gotti. Mueller is still Mueller. And instead of not prosecuting Sammy for murder, it's not prosecuting Manafort for Russia. Sammy did get some jail time, but not for 19 murders and he is now out and was interviewed by Vanity Fair after Gotti died in jail. Maybe Manafort will be interviewed by Vanity Fair after Trump dies. As fat and old as Trump is, that could be sooner than Gotti rather than later. HOW SCARED SHOULD TRUMP BE OF MUELLER? ASK JOHN GOTTI OR SAMMY “THE BULL” www.vanityfair.com/news/2017/12/how-scared-should-trump-be-of-mueller-ask-john-gotti-or-sammy-the-bull] Whatever. All your intense interest in speculation doesn't make it more than speculation. It's a lot like the Douma/ Sarin claims you *thought* were so important. Until the facts came in. And then all that time and effort and thought and belief became so much chaff, to be blown away in the breeze like the wastage it was. A complete waste of your time, and anyone who bothered with your posts. Honestly, life's too short to treat you as anything but a source of amusement. One would think you'd have learned by now - you're being lied to every day. A narrative is being played over and over and over AND over - while zero evidence is presented. You need to seek facts, and if you can't find them, wait for them. And learn by experience who the liars are.
Quote:Originally posted by second: Sammy "The Bull" Gravano was flipped to prosecute mob boss John Gotti. Why did Sammy flip? Because he made a deal where, if he testified, he would not be prosecuted for murder, although he had killed 19, so that the "Teflon Don" John Gotti could be convicted of one murder. The prosecutor was Mueller. What does this have to do with Manafort? Manafort is Sammy. Trump is Gotti. Mueller is still Mueller. And instead of not prosecuting Sammy for murder, it's not prosecuting Manafort for Russia. Sammy did get some jail time, but not for 19 murders and he is now out and was interviewed by Vanity Fair after Gotti died in jail. Maybe Manafort will be interviewed by Vanity Fair after Trump dies. As fat and old as Trump is, that could be sooner than Gotti rather than later. HOW SCARED SHOULD TRUMP BE OF MUELLER? ASK JOHN GOTTI OR SAMMY “THE BULL” www.vanityfair.com/news/2017/12/how-scared-should-trump-be-of-mueller-ask-john-gotti-or-sammy-the-bull] Whatever. All your intense interest in speculation doesn't make it more than speculation. It's a lot like the Douma/ Sarin claims you *thought* were so important. Until the facts came in. And then all that time and effort and thought and belief became so much chaff, to be blown away in the breeze like the wastage it was. A complete waste of your time, and anyone who bothered with your posts. Honestly, life's too short to treat you as anything but a source of amusement. One would think you'd have learned by now - you're being lied to every day. A narrative is being played over and over and over AND over - while zero evidence is presented. You need to seek facts, and if you can't find them, wait for them. And learn by experience who the liars are.
Sunday, July 8, 2018 11:31 AM
Quote:Originally posted by 1kiki: Whatever. All your intense interest in speculation doesn't make it more than speculation. It's a lot like the Douma/ Sarin claims you *thought* were so important. Until the facts came in. And then all that time and effort and thought and belief became so much chaff, to be blown away in the breeze like the wastage it was. A complete waste of your time, and anyone who bothered with your posts. Honestly, life's too short to treat you as anything but a source of amusement. One would think you'd have learned by now - you're being lied to every day. A narrative is being played over and over and over AND over - while zero evidence is presented. You need to seek facts, and if you can't find them, wait for them. And learn by experience who the liars are.
Monday, July 9, 2018 6:23 AM
Quote:Originally posted by reaverfan: Quote:Originally posted by 1kiki: Whatever. All your intense interest in speculation doesn't make it more than speculation. It's a lot like the Douma/ Sarin claims you *thought* were so important. Until the facts came in. And then all that time and effort and thought and belief became so much chaff, to be blown away in the breeze like the wastage it was. A complete waste of your time, and anyone who bothered with your posts. Honestly, life's too short to treat you as anything but a source of amusement. One would think you'd have learned by now - you're being lied to every day. A narrative is being played over and over and over AND over - while zero evidence is presented. You need to seek facts, and if you can't find them, wait for them. And learn by experience who the liars are. You've gone from "there's nothing there" to "it doesn't matter." Just like all the Russian trolls have.
Monday, July 9, 2018 9:39 AM
Quote:Originally posted by second:I "love" that 1kiki says that I need to identify the liars who continuously mislead me. The nicest explanation for Signym's and 1kiki's writing is they are Russian trolls. The saddest and most likely explanation is that they are Americans believing the lies they spread. In the real world of Texas, in areas far from politics, the people that lie constantly and seem unaware of it, are the Trump voters. Maybe they are faking belief in what they say? Maybe they're sincere, yet stupid? It is mixture of both. But if I make a business deal with a Trump voter, it will probably end up in court, eventually, because those guys are no more trustworthy businessmen than Trump himself. They will take shortcuts, they will cheat you, they get on their high horse and insist they are good people of integrity. When the judge or the arbitrator tells them they aren't good, they always seem genuinely amazed. And it is amazing, it is incredible! how little self-knowledge actual Trump voters have. At least with Russian trolls, they know they are faking it for Putin. But genuine American Trump defenders don't know they are fake! So sad for them and America that the country is afflicted with these dimwits. They impoverish the USA, but they have convinced themselves they enrich it.
Monday, July 9, 2018 12:31 PM
Quote:Originally posted by JJ: Trump says this DOJ report proves there was no collusion with the Russians. One of the charges against his former campaign manager, who by the way was running Trumps campaign for 144 days and not 49 days as Trumps is saying, is conspiracy. In other words, collusion.
Monday, July 9, 2018 12:35 PM
Quote:Originally posted by second: Quote:Originally posted by reaverfan: Quote:Originally posted by 1kiki: Whatever. All your intense interest in speculation doesn't make it more than speculation. It's a lot like the Douma/ Sarin claims you *thought* were so important. Until the facts came in. And then all that time and effort and thought and belief became so much chaff, to be blown away in the breeze like the wastage it was. A complete waste of your time, and anyone who bothered with your posts. Honestly, life's too short to treat you as anything but a source of amusement. One would think you'd have learned by now - you're being lied to every day. A narrative is being played over and over and over AND over - while zero evidence is presented. You need to seek facts, and if you can't find them, wait for them. And learn by experience who the liars are. You've gone from "there's nothing there" to "it doesn't matter." Just like all the Russian trolls have.I "love" that 1kiki says that I need to identify the liars who continuously mislead me. The nicest explanation for Signym's and 1kiki's writing is they are Russian trolls. The saddest and most likely explanation is that they are Americans believing the lies they spread. In the real world of Texas, in areas far from politics, the people that lie constantly and seem unaware of it, are the Trump voters. Maybe they are faking belief in what they say? Maybe they're sincere, yet stupid? It is mixture of both. But if I make a business deal with a Trump voter, it will probably end up in court, eventually, because those guys are no more trustworthy businessmen than Trump himself. They will take shortcuts, they will cheat you, they get on their high horse and insist they are good people of integrity. When the judge or the arbitrator tells them they aren't good, they always seem genuinely amazed. And it is amazing, it is incredible! how little self-knowledge actual Trump voters have. At least with Russian trolls, they know they are faking it for Putin. But genuine American Trump defenders don't know they are fake! So sad for them and America that the country is afflicted with these dimwits. They impoverish the USA, but they have convinced themselves they enrich it. The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
Monday, July 9, 2018 12:37 PM
Monday, July 9, 2018 12:40 PM
Quote:Originally posted by captaincrunch: Quote:Originally posted by second:I "love" that 1kiki says that I need to identify the liars who continuously mislead me. The nicest explanation for Signym's and 1kiki's writing is they are Russian trolls. The saddest and most likely explanation is that they are Americans believing the lies they spread. In the real world of Texas, in areas far from politics, the people that lie constantly and seem unaware of it, are the Trump voters. Maybe they are faking belief in what they say? Maybe they're sincere, yet stupid? It is mixture of both. But if I make a business deal with a Trump voter, it will probably end up in court, eventually, because those guys are no more trustworthy businessmen than Trump himself. They will take shortcuts, they will cheat you, they get on their high horse and insist they are good people of integrity. When the judge or the arbitrator tells them they aren't good, they always seem genuinely amazed. And it is amazing, it is incredible! how little self-knowledge actual Trump voters have. At least with Russian trolls, they know they are faking it for Putin. But genuine American Trump defenders don't know they are fake! So sad for them and America that the country is afflicted with these dimwits. They impoverish the USA, but they have convinced themselves they enrich it. Post of the week.
Monday, July 9, 2018 1:00 PM
Monday, July 9, 2018 1:14 PM
Monday, July 9, 2018 1:23 PM
Quote:Originally posted by JJ: Quote:Originally posted by captaincrunch: Quote:Originally posted by second:I "love" that 1kiki says that I need to identify the liars who continuously mislead me. The nicest explanation for Signym's and 1kiki's writing is they are Russian trolls. The saddest and most likely explanation is that they are Americans believing the lies they spread. In the real world of Texas, in areas far from politics, the people that lie constantly and seem unaware of it, are the Trump voters. Maybe they are faking belief in what they say? Maybe they're sincere, yet stupid? It is mixture of both. But if I make a business deal with a Trump voter, it will probably end up in court, eventually, because those guys are no more trustworthy businessmen than Trump himself. They will take shortcuts, they will cheat you, they get on their high horse and insist they are good people of integrity. When the judge or the arbitrator tells them they aren't good, they always seem genuinely amazed. And it is amazing, it is incredible! how little self-knowledge actual Trump voters have. At least with Russian trolls, they know they are faking it for Putin. But genuine American Trump defenders don't know they are fake! So sad for them and America that the country is afflicted with these dimwits. They impoverish the USA, but they have convinced themselves they enrich it. Post of the week. Seconded, hey I made a funny. Seconded, get it. T
Monday, July 9, 2018 1:31 PM
Monday, July 9, 2018 4:53 PM
Quote:Originally posted by JJ: Quote:Originally posted by captaincrunch: Quote:Originally posted by second:I "love" that 1kiki says that I need to identify the liars who continuously mislead me. The nicest explanation for Signym's and 1kiki's writing is they are Russian trolls. The saddest and most likely explanation is that they are Americans believing the lies they spread. In the real world of Texas, in areas far from politics, the people that lie constantly and seem unaware of it, are the Trump voters. Maybe they are faking belief in what they say? Maybe they're sincere, yet stupid? It is mixture of both. But if I make a business deal with a Trump voter, it will probably end up in court, eventually, because those guys are no more trustworthy businessmen than Trump himself. They will take shortcuts, they will cheat you, they get on their high horse and insist they are good people of integrity. When the judge or the arbitrator tells them they aren't good, they always seem genuinely amazed. And it is amazing, it is incredible! how little self-knowledge actual Trump voters have. At least with Russian trolls, they know they are faking it for Putin. But genuine American Trump defenders don't know they are fake! So sad for them and America that the country is afflicted with these dimwits. They impoverish the USA, but they have convinced themselves they enrich it. Post of the week. Seconded, hey I made a funny. Seconded, get it.
Monday, July 9, 2018 5:03 PM
Quote:Originally posted by JJ: Quote:Originally posted by JJ: Quote:Originally posted by captaincrunch: Quote:Originally posted by second:I "love" that 1kiki says that I need to identify the liars who continuously mislead me. The nicest explanation for Signym's and 1kiki's writing is they are Russian trolls. The saddest and most likely explanation is that they are Americans believing the lies they spread. In the real world of Texas, in areas far from politics, the people that lie constantly and seem unaware of it, are the Trump voters. Maybe they are faking belief in what they say? Maybe they're sincere, yet stupid? It is mixture of both. But if I make a business deal with a Trump voter, it will probably end up in court, eventually, because those guys are no more trustworthy businessmen than Trump himself. They will take shortcuts, they will cheat you, they get on their high horse and insist they are good people of integrity. When the judge or the arbitrator tells them they aren't good, they always seem genuinely amazed. And it is amazing, it is incredible! how little self-knowledge actual Trump voters have. At least with Russian trolls, they know they are faking it for Putin. But genuine American Trump defenders don't know they are fake! So sad for them and America that the country is afflicted with these dimwits. They impoverish the USA, but they have convinced themselves they enrich it. Post of the week. Seconded, hey I made a funny. Seconded, get it.
Monday, July 9, 2018 5:05 PM
Tuesday, July 10, 2018 6:20 AM
Quote:Originally posted by 1kiki: SECOND ALL I POSTED WAS THE OPCW REPORT. THEY SAY there were no organophosphates, no Sarin, no nerve agents of any kind at Douma. But the US government said there was. And the media said the same thing many times over. Is the OPCW lying to you now when they say there were no organophosphates, no Sarin, no nerve agents? Are THEY Russian trolls? Or did the US government and the media lie when they said there was? I'd appreciate an answer, because SOMEBODY LIED TO YOU. And I'm curious if you can figure out who.
Tuesday, July 10, 2018 6:22 AM
Wednesday, July 11, 2018 7:05 AM
Wednesday, July 11, 2018 7:46 AM
Wednesday, July 11, 2018 8:08 AM
Quote:Originally posted by second: The midterm elections will be about whether Trump’s proposed new justice thinks the president can pardon himself.
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