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Debunking the myth that “identity politics” is bad for the Democratic Party

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Oh good. You followed up with another 15 paragraphs that did no such thing.

Thanks for wasting my time twice in one morning.

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Oh good. You followed up with another 15 paragraphs that did no such thing.

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White trash think that dividing money equally with people they despise will mean far less money for white trash. But the white trash of America will never get the money they think they deserve unless Mexicans, niggers, queers and women also get a much bigger share of the wealth.

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White trash think that dividing money equally with people they despise will mean far less money for white trash. But the white trash of America will never get the money they think they deserve unless Mexicans, niggers, queers and women also get a much bigger share of the wealth.

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It's not true that one group will prosper only if other groups prosper, which is the only argument in favor of identity politics.

That argument is the fallacy of identity politics. Through it we are being played by identity politics into an unstated zero-sum game. The notion is that it's OK to be pitted against each other for survival, as long as the fight is FAIR. But it doesn't matter how FAIRLY we are judged in the arena. There will be the winners at the expense of the losers. If some groups rise it will be because other groups fall. It's still the same zero-sum game.

Democrats - or some new party that rises up out of the ashes - need to specifically reject the notion that people being FAIRLY pitted against each other for survival is the end goal.

The end goal should be to raise us all up. Together.

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6ixStringJack, you have been given by 1kiki a lofty and inspiring explanation. Another, by Thomas Piketty: “without a strong egalitarian-internationalist platform, it is difficult to unite low-education, low-income voters from all origins within the same party.” Because I am crude, I’ll explain "identity politics" crudely: White trash think that dividing money equally with people they despise will mean far less money for white trash. But the white trash of America will never get the money they think they deserve unless Mexicans, niggers, queers and women also get a much bigger share of the wealth. I am in the sweet position of a wealthy person where I can tell the white trash that their understanding of how America works is erroneous. I don’t expect they will understand their error, but that’s great for me. The choice is between getting almost nothing more for anyone but the already wealthy or else everyone gets more, that is everyone except rich people. Wealthy people like me will get far less because they will be paying more taxes and paying higher minimum wages. You might have noticed that higher taxes and higher wages are not on the political agenda. That is a clever choice made by the wealthy – to never pay extra until they absolutely must.

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Who is supposed to benefit from the existence of society? Corporations, or people? When you answer that question you'll be able to make a straightforward argument.

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I'll say everybody benefits from living in a society when, by group, everyone has the same lifespan. But that's not true, so - obviously - some people are being killed by society to benefit others.

In any case, we have strayed from the topic of identity politics. I see you don't have a rebuttal to my proposal.

Which to reiterate briefly is this: since identity politics accepts the current zero-sum game, one group can only advance at the expense of another. If the democrats or some other party is going to succeed at creating a broad coalition of voters, it needs to reject identity politics and advance the broad economic interests of people as a whole.

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I'll say everybody benefits from living in a society when, by group, everyone has the same lifespan. But that's not true, so - obviously - some people are being killed by society to benefit others.

In any case, we have strayed from the topic of identity politics. I see you don't have a rebuttal to my proposal.

Which to reiterate briefly is this: since identity politics accepts the current zero-sum game, one group can only advance at the expense of another. If the democrats or some other party is going to succeed at creating a broad coalition of voters, it needs to reject identity politics and advance the broad economic interests of people as a whole.

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1kiki, remember those accusations of you being a Russian Troll? I truly do not believe you are even living in North America, let alone that you are a voting American citizen. It is a pure form of identity politics, I can't identify you as anything other than a distraction. I do not trust you in any way, shape, or form. I can't even verify you are in any group, from anywhere on earth, let alone one that I wish to be in a coalition.

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No. It's not. It's all just an illusion that's maintained to make the people believe they have any say in what goes on. There might be two parties that look different than they do today in the future. There might even be three or four. That's not going to make things change at all.

Our perception of what the Two-Party System is may be Doomed. But whatever form it morphs into will continue on as it always has.

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"I truly do not believe you are even living in North America, let alone that you are a voting American citizen. It is a pure form of identity politics, I can't identify you as anything other than a distraction."

I started out fairly poor. By hard work, the luck of the genetic draw, and advantages like a poor to mediocre but not terrible schooling system, (though hobbled with a couple of significant disadvantages), I'm now relatively wealthy. Not like you of course, but far ahead the vast majority of Americans.

I do have one major difference, I believe, from most people in my position. I would give up everything I have - in a heartbeat, as they say - if it would guarantee a fair world. It won't of course, so I maintain my work schedule and my frugality. But my basic mindset is damn peculiar from other people with money, who become greedy, and suspicious of everyone, because they categorize everyone as trying to 'get' 'their stuff'. I don't.

And I want, more than anything else, to be able to give up 'my stuff' because we've achieved a fair world.

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White trash think that dividing money equally with people they despise will mean far less money for white trash. But the white trash of America will never get the money they think they deserve unless Mexicans, niggers, queers and women also get a much bigger share of the wealth.

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It's not true that one group will prosper only if other groups prosper, which is the only argument in favor of identity politics.

That argument is the fallacy of identity politics. Through it we are being played by identity politics into an unstated zero-sum game. The notion is that it's OK to be pitted against each other for survival, as long as the fight is FAIR. But it doesn't matter how FAIRLY we are judged in the arena. There will be the winners at the expense of the losers. If some groups rise it will be because other groups fall. It's still the same zero-sum game.

Democrats - or some new party that rises up out of the ashes - need to specifically reject the notion that people being FAIRLY pitted against each other for survival is the end goal.

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The zero-sum game that should be played is the one where the wealthy lose to everyone poorer. But that is not the game that Congress will allow to be played.

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No. It's not. It's all just an illusion that's maintained to make the people believe they have any say in what goes on. There might be two parties that look different than they do today in the future. There might even be three or four. That's not going to make things change at all.

Our perception of what the Two-Party System is may be Doomed. But whatever form it morphs into will continue on as it always has.

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6ixStringJoker, when the Federal government started in 1789, people like you had absolutely no say in picking George Washington or what the laws were. No slaves voted. No women voted. No men voted unless they owned significant property. We are still living in that exact same system with the same Constitution that George Washington signed, with a few minor adjustments. Why are you surprised that nobody will listen to you? The Constitution was never designed to make life comfortable for people like you or to give your life any meaning.

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6ixStringJoker, when the Federal government started in 1789, people like you had absolutely no say in picking George Washington or what the laws were. ... Why are you surprised that nobody will listen to you? The Constitution was never designed to make life comfortable for people like you or to give your life any meaning.

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I'm not surprised that nobody will listen to me. Your voice is going to get drowned out when there's 7 billion other voices.
What I find funny is when anybody thinks that their own voice matters to anybody but themselves.
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All I was saying was that nobody has any power when it comes to doing anything against whatever the Government ultimately wants. There is no two party system. Only the illusion of one.

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All I was saying was that nobody has any power when it comes to doing anything against whatever the Government ultimately wants. There is no two party system. Only the illusion of one.

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I guess it depends if we're intelligent or if we're mixed bacteria on a petri dish, on a mindless path to doom. If we're just mixed bacteria on a petri dish then some strains will temporarily overtake others and all will gobble up the food, excreting waste, until there's nothing left but a dead, waste-filled petri dish. But if we're intelligent we'll understand the problem, communicate the solution, use the power of numbers, and reverse what we're doing.

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Your endorsement of Communism and your redistribution fantasies are not shared by as many as you imagine.

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I guess it depends if we're intelligent or if we're mixed bacteria on a petri dish, on a mindless path to doom. If we're just mixed bacteria on a petri dish then some strains will temporarily overtake others and all will gobble up the food, excreting waste, until there's nothing left but a dead, waste-filled petri dish. But if we're intelligent we'll understand the problem, communicate the solution, use the power of numbers, and reverse what we're doing.

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Your endorsement of Communism and your redistribution fantasies are not shared by as many as you imagine.

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My other fantasy is that Texas never joined the Union. Long live the Republic of Texas! Long live Sam Houston, our first President! I would much prefer a national holiday celebrating Houston's Birthday to Washington's Birthday.

The reason for that fantasy is that Texas is trapped within the 1788 Constitution by the whims of the Senators from the other 49 states. Do you realize how difficult it is to get 67 people out of 100 to all agree on something substantial? About the only time is when it's war, and even then the Senators prefer not to vote on that because they don't want the blame when the war goes badly. Let the President of the United States take the blame years and years after most Senators cheered for more war.

The U.S. Senators from Texas can be pretty cavalier about war since most of the dead soldiers will be coming from 49 other states. But if Texas was a nation going to war, all the dead would be Texans. The whole war is completely paid for and fought by Texans. That would certainly cool the Texas President's enthusiasm for war. It also explains why U.S. Presidents are very enthusiastic about wars where most of the casualties and costs will be paid by 49 other states, states where the President was not born. U.S. Presidents are more cautious when their own children fight the war the President started. There is an editorial about that by the son of President Eisenhower. www.nytimes.com/2008/09/28/opinion/28eisenhower.html

A short quote for those who need everything explained, but seldom click the links: As the time for my deployment to the Korean War approached, I discussed my intentions with my father, future President Eisenhower. We met at the Blackstone Hotel in Chicago, just after the Republican convention, and I explained my position. My father, as a professional officer himself, understood and accepted it. However, he had a firm condition: under no circumstances must I ever be captured. He would accept the risk of my being killed or wounded, but if the Chinese Communists or North Koreans ever took me prisoner, and threatened blackmail, he could be forced to resign the presidency. I agreed to that condition wholeheartedly. I would take my life before being captured.

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I guess it depends if we're intelligent or if we're mixed bacteria on a petri dish, on a mindless path to doom. If we're just mixed bacteria on a petri dish then some strains will temporarily overtake others and all will gobble up the food, excreting waste, until there's nothing left but a dead, waste-filled petri dish. But if we're intelligent we'll understand the problem, communicate the solution, use the power of numbers, and reverse what we're doing.

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In China, that "we" was people like The Most Wanted Man in China: My Journey from Scientist to Enemy of the State by Fang Lizhi
www.nybooks.com/articles/2016/05/26/fang-lizhi-heritage-great-man/

Why did communism grow deep roots and survive in China, while it withered and died in Russia? This is one of the central questions of modern history. A plausible answer to the question is that communism in China resonated with the two-thousand-year-old Confucian tradition of the wise ruler governing a harmonious society of peaceful citizens, while communism in Russia was undermined by the Russian tradition of ruthless tsars like Ivan the Terrible ruling a lawless society of oligarchs and serfs. (If you are comparing, the American tradition is too much like the Russian and not at all like the Chinese tradition.)

This answer may be valid, but the recently published autobiography of Fang Lizhi suggests a different answer to the question. Fang’s book is the personal story of a scientist whose life was shaped by Chinese history. From the evidence provided by this book, I am led to believe that communism survived in China because the brutal reeducation of the elite, by exile to coal mines and villages and forced sharing of hardships with dirt-poor workers and peasants, was to some extent a genuine reeducation. A great many members of the elite endured a period of gross abuse and humiliation, so severe as to drive many of them to suicide. Fang — who died in 2012 — describes four of these personal tragedies that he remembered vividly when he wrote his book thirty years later. But the majority of the victims, like Fang, survived the physical and mental battering, and returned to pursue careers as leaders of society. They became a privileged and corrupt class, but had acquired some indelible firsthand knowledge of the real needs and desires of the Chinese people.

In Russia there was much talk of reeducation of the elite, but the reality was different. In Russia the purges killed large numbers of the elite and condemned others to long years of imprisonment in the gulag archipelago, but those who survived were not re-educated. The intellectuals who survived in Russia remained isolated from the realities of working-class existence. The working class in the minds of the rulers of Russia remained an intellectual abstraction, detached from contact with reality. (The American ruling class is detached from the reality of working-class existence. Why would American rulers do more than the minimum to get elected? Doing more would lower the income of the rulers, cause extra work for the rulers, and it would all be for the benefit of working-class people the rulers don't identify with, except on election day. And America has always been this way. George Washington and Thomas Jefferson would have taken better care of their slaves if slaves could vote, but the day after election the slaves have to return to the cotton fields while their owners return to the mansions. The owners refuse to live at the level of their slaves and refuse to work along side their slaves. The result is the owners have false beliefs about slavery. It is the same today where politicians opposed to raising the minimum wage, for one example, never try to live on the minimum wage.)

Unlike the majority of his contemporaries, Fang became a dissident. His reeducation was too successful, pushing him all the way to a final rejection of communism. But he was the exception who proves the rule. The rule is demonstrated by the majority of Chinese intellectuals who climbed back into the system after reeducation, not by the small minority who became dissidents. The historical fact is that reeducation generally succeeded in its avowed purpose. It produced a governing class that combined a formal acceptance of the regime’s Communist dogma with some understanding of the people it was governing.

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Golly, is this the delusion where President Eisenhower started the Korean War?
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Maybe super-patriots Trump Jr. and Eric Trump should join the Army in protecting America? They go big game hunting in Africa, so why not join the Army and hunt the most dangerous big game animals in the world: humans. That would give their daddy something to think about before he starts threatening Fire and Fury the likes of which the World has never seen before.

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I see you changed the subject without replying to me.

I'll consider that another checkmate.

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{Second, you have:} No empathy. No understanding. No appreciation.

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I used to think that people on Food Stamps were worthless and didn't deserve them until I made a less than livable wage and found new empathy for . . .

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The one percenters do have a little bit of those qualities. But America is built on extraordinary selfishness. It is number one on the list. Even if Americans became extraordinarily empathetic (which they aren’t once you look at what percent of their income they give to charity) they will fight against helping anyone beneath them if Americans think helping will reduce their own income. It is pure and extreme American selfishness that Americans don’t want to acknowledge in themselves.

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To bring the lower 50% of Americans up to the level of upper 50%, the median-priced American’s level, will cost a whole lot more than 10%. Selfish Americans are NOT that generous. They already bitch endlessly about their taxes to support the old, you know Medicare and Social Security. I remember 6ixStringJack has bitched about his FICA tax. At least middle-class Americans pay the tax because they can imagine themselves being old someday, but they cannot imagine being poor. They really don’t want to help the poor. Americans want somebody, not themselves, to pay. Preferably the poor will pay for raising the poor out of poverty. That is not a practical way to end poverty, but people who are not poor are too selfish to admit it is impractical. They just refuse to pay more than 2 cents to do a job that will benefit somebody other than themselves.

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There's two things to learn when you've lived that way for a while that you can't just explain to somebody because they just wouldn't actually get it unless they had to really live with it for a period of time.

1. Basic things like food and heat during the winter should not be a problem for anybody to acquire. We're supposedly the greatest nation the world has ever seen and yet we still have people starving and freezing to death. . . .

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My arguments with JSF recently surrounding the DOW and Food Stamps are reflections of my own evolution of thought on these issues based off of my new perspective. I used to think that the DOW was great for everybody, until I realized that it is a catalyst for the loss of jobs and wages and benefits, and the money that investors make is off the backs of the American working class.

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until I made a less than livable wage and found new empathy for those who actually have to try to make ends meet on the same pay scale while also paying for housing and oftentimes even raising children on it.

No empathy. No understanding. No appreciation.

There would be no 1% without the 99%.

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Since then, no President has told a son to commit suicide because no President had children actually fighting a war. That makes it so much easier for America to go to war when the President has no skin in the game. Maybe super-patriots Trump Jr. and Eric Trump should join the Army in protecting America?

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Selfish Americans are NOT that generous. They already bitch endlessly about their taxes to support the old, you know Medicare and Social Security.

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2. You've got to really have problems (mental or otherwise) if you actually want to stay on government programs for any prolonged period of time.

Aside from the fact that the Government wants to know everything about you while you're on them, it's actually a lot of effort to get them and maintain them over time. You also have to purposefully curb your work hours to maintain them, by doing things like actively turning down extra shifts.

I make too much money hourly to get them even if I were to intentionally curb my hours, because you can't get them unless you work 20 hours per week.


With all the terrible spending choices our government makes with our tax dollars, you'll never hear me bitching again about food stamps. I don't envy any person who makes so little that they can be eligible to get them, and I'm happy to know that a part of my taxes go to help feed them.

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There's two things to learn when you've lived that way for a while that you can't just explain to somebody because they just wouldn't actually get it unless they had to really live with it for a period of time.

1. Basic things like food and heat during the winter should not be a problem for anybody to acquire. We're supposedly the greatest nation the world has ever seen and yet we still have people starving and freezing to death. . . .

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America can already afford to change its mind about starving and freezing to death, but the majority voter opinion doesn't change. I checked about affordability: the GDP is $20 trillion. https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/GDP

No, we don’t spend $1 trillion on welfare each year
https://goo.gl/tgWHLs

Even if America did spend $1 trillion on welfare (it doesn’t) a trillion is only 5% of the GDP. To get everyone up into the middle class, much more ambitious than preventing everyone from freezing and starving to death, will cost much more than 5%. The people already in the middle class do not want to pay even to prevent starving and freezing. They sure as hell won't pay to raise everyone into middle class. The lower 50% of the Americans will continue struggling until the upper 50% will pay enough to end the struggle. But the upper 50% vote more than the lower 50%. As their incomes approach the upper 1%, voter participation approaches 100%. As their incomes approach the bottom 10%, voter participation approaches 0%. Bernie said poor people don't vote. Poor people are screwed by those voters in the middle class.
www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2016/apr/24/bernie-s/berni
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What does the government spend most money on? It is not on poverty programs:
www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2015/aug/17/facebook-posts
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2. You've got to really have problems (mental or otherwise) if you actually want to stay on government programs for any prolonged period of time.

Aside from the fact that the Government wants to know everything about you while you're on them, it's actually a lot of effort to get them and maintain them over time. You also have to purposefully curb your work hours to maintain them, by doing things like actively turning down extra shifts.

I make too much money hourly to get them even if I were to intentionally curb my hours, because you can't get them unless you work 20 hours per week.


With all the terrible spending choices our government makes with our tax dollars, you'll never hear me bitching again about food stamps. I don't envy any person who makes so little that they can be eligible to get them, and I'm happy to know that a part of my taxes go to help feed them.

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Maybe they just resent being lied to. The Ponzi Scheme called Social Security was never presented, proposed, discussed, or enacted as a Tax. It was presented as a contribution to a fund which you, yourself would draw from, depending upon how much you contributed. Only Taxaholic Libtards and other Democraps would consider it a Tax, completely divorcing it from it's legislation.

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I used to think that people on Food Stamps were worthless and didn't deserve them until I made a less than livable wage and found new empathy for . . .

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Americans at all levels are selfish as can be. It is not surprising that those at the top are as selfish as those in the middle and bottom. That is why Food Stamps are part of the agriculture bill – the program has to be sold as helping the farming states make money. The idea can’t be sold as exclusively for helping the hungry.
Selfish Americans are NOT that generous. They already bitch endlessly about their taxes to support the old, you know Medicare and Social Security.

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Maybe they just resent being lied to. The Ponzi Scheme called Social Security was never presented, proposed, discussed, or enacted as a Tax. It was presented as a contribution to a fund which you, yourself would draw from, depending upon how much you contributed. Only Taxaholic Libtards and other Democraps would consider it a Tax, completely divorcing it from it's legislation.

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I remember 6ixStringJack has bitched about his FICA tax.

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I can't really argue any of what you posted here. Sure, it's all generalizations and there are going to be exceptions to the rule, but not enough to argue any points you made.

I think everybody should be poor once in their lives.

There's two things to learn when you've lived that way for a while that you can't just explain to somebody because they just wouldn't actually get it unless they had to really live with it for a period of time.

1. Basic things like food and heat during the winter should not be a problem for anybody to acquire. We're supposedly the greatest nation the world has ever seen and yet we still have people starving and freezing to death.

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If they don't like it they should return to their Mexico home, where it is warm.

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2. You've got to really have problems (mental or otherwise) if you actually want to stay on government programs for any prolonged period of time.

Aside from the fact that the Government wants to know everything about you while you're on them, it's actually a lot of effort to get them and maintain them over time. You also have to purposefully curb your work hours to maintain them, by doing things like actively turning down extra shifts.

I make too much money hourly to get them even if I were to intentionally curb my hours, because you can't get them unless you work 20 hours per week.


With all the terrible spending choices our government makes with our tax dollars, you'll never hear me bitching again about food stamps. I don't envy any person who makes so little that they can be eligible to get them, and I'm happy to know that a part of my taxes go to help feed them.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Such an advocate for Illegal Alien parasites, you are.

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Though I don't support the idea of a physical wall that is nothing more than a ridiculously expensive form of "security theater", there are plenty of ways to make it so that nobody who wasn't a citizen would ever want to even be here. Most of them would be a very cheap addition to what the IRS already does, so it would start paying for itself from day one.

Should we make sure nobody starves that doesn't live here? Sure. We'll keep them well fed on their ride back home. Then when the laws are sufficiently changed and upheld so that nobody without a valid social security number can get free education and medical care or be able to make any wages here, they won't bother coming back.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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I see you changed the subject without replying to me.
I'll consider that another checkmate.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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6ixStringJack wrote
I used to think that people on Food Stamps were worthless and didn't deserve them until I made a less than livable wage and found new empathy for . . .

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Americans at all levels are selfish as can be. It is not surprising that those at the top are as selfish as those in the middle and bottom. That is why Food Stamps are part of the agriculture bill – the program has to be sold as helping the farming states make money. The idea can’t be sold as exclusively for helping the hungry.
Selfish Americans are NOT that generous. They already bitch endlessly about their taxes to support the old, you know Medicare and Social Security.

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Maybe they just resent being lied to. The Ponzi Scheme called Social Security was never presented, proposed, discussed, or enacted as a Tax. It was presented as a contribution to a fund which you, yourself would draw from, depending upon how much you contributed. Only Taxaholic Libtards and other Democraps would consider it a Tax, completely divorcing it from it's legislation.

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I remember 6ixStringJack has bitched about his FICA tax.

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I can't really argue any of what you posted here. Sure, it's all generalizations and there are going to be exceptions to the rule, but not enough to argue any points you made.

I think everybody should be poor once in their lives.

There's two things to learn when you've lived that way for a while that you can't just explain to somebody because they just wouldn't actually get it unless they had to really live with it for a period of time.

1. Basic things like food and heat during the winter should not be a problem for anybody to acquire. We're supposedly the greatest nation the world has ever seen and yet we still have people starving and freezing to death.

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If they don't like it they should return to their Mexico home, where it is warm.

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2. You've got to really have problems (mental or otherwise) if you actually want to stay on government programs for any prolonged period of time.

Aside from the fact that the Government wants to know everything about you while you're on them, it's actually a lot of effort to get them and maintain them over time. You also have to purposefully curb your work hours to maintain them, by doing things like actively turning down extra shifts.

I make too much money hourly to get them even if I were to intentionally curb my hours, because you can't get them unless you work 20 hours per week.


With all the terrible spending choices our government makes with our tax dollars, you'll never hear me bitching again about food stamps. I don't envy any person who makes so little that they can be eligible to get them, and I'm happy to know that a part of my taxes go to help feed them.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Such an advocate for Illegal Alien parasites, you are.

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I see what the problem is here.

You're saying the only people who live here without heat and food in this country are Mexicans.

I don't know... Maybe that's as racist as it is untrue?

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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No, you are incorrect yet again. No, you do not see.
You keep claiming there is no waste, Fraud, abuse, meaning there are no Illegal Alien parasites consuming our resources.
I keep pointing out that Illegal Aliens fraudulently consume these resources, and for at least this portion of the Food Stamp program, this is waste, fraud, and abuse - diverting resources from legitimate needy Citizens.

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I see you changed the subject without replying to me.
I'll consider that another checkmate.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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6ixStringJack wrote
I used to think that people on Food Stamps were worthless and didn't deserve them until I made a less than livable wage and found new empathy for . . .

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Americans at all levels are selfish as can be. It is not surprising that those at the top are as selfish as those in the middle and bottom. That is why Food Stamps are part of the agriculture bill – the program has to be sold as helping the farming states make money. The idea can’t be sold as exclusively for helping the hungry.
Selfish Americans are NOT that generous. They already bitch endlessly about their taxes to support the old, you know Medicare and Social Security.

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Maybe they just resent being lied to. The Ponzi Scheme called Social Security was never presented, proposed, discussed, or enacted as a Tax. It was presented as a contribution to a fund which you, yourself would draw from, depending upon how much you contributed. Only Taxaholic Libtards and other Democraps would consider it a Tax, completely divorcing it from it's legislation.

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I remember 6ixStringJack has bitched about his FICA tax.

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I can't really argue any of what you posted here. Sure, it's all generalizations and there are going to be exceptions to the rule, but not enough to argue any points you made.

I think everybody should be poor once in their lives.

There's two things to learn when you've lived that way for a while that you can't just explain to somebody because they just wouldn't actually get it unless they had to really live with it for a period of time.

1. Basic things like food and heat during the winter should not be a problem for anybody to acquire. We're supposedly the greatest nation the world has ever seen and yet we still have people starving and freezing to death.

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If they don't like it they should return to their Mexico home, where it is warm.

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2. You've got to really have problems (mental or otherwise) if you actually want to stay on government programs for any prolonged period of time.

Aside from the fact that the Government wants to know everything about you while you're on them, it's actually a lot of effort to get them and maintain them over time. You also have to purposefully curb your work hours to maintain them, by doing things like actively turning down extra shifts.

I make too much money hourly to get them even if I were to intentionally curb my hours, because you can't get them unless you work 20 hours per week.


With all the terrible spending choices our government makes with our tax dollars, you'll never hear me bitching again about food stamps. I don't envy any person who makes so little that they can be eligible to get them, and I'm happy to know that a part of my taxes go to help feed them.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Such an advocate for Illegal Alien parasites, you are.

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I see what the problem is here.

You're saying the only people who live here without heat and food in this country are Mexicans.

I don't know... Maybe that's as racist as it is untrue?

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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No, you are incorrect yet again. No, you do not see.
You keep claiming there is no waste, Fraud, abuse, meaning there are no Illegal Alien parasites consuming our resources.
I keep pointing out that Illegal Aliens fraudulently consume these resources, and for at least this portion of the Food Stamp program, this is waste, fraud, and abuse - diverting resources from legitimate needy Citizens.

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You brought up illegals leaching off the system three times now. I've already said twice that I'm against this, and this will make it the third time. Are you stupid or something?

Do I have to re-quote my post a third fucking time about how we can keep them well fed for their trip back home as they're deported?

What the fuck is wrong with you man? Really.

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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
No, you are incorrect yet again. No, you do not see.
You keep claiming there is no waste, Fraud, abuse, meaning there are no Illegal Alien parasites consuming our resources.
I keep pointing out that Illegal Aliens fraudulently consume these resources, and for at least this portion of the Food Stamp program, this is waste, fraud, and abuse - diverting resources from legitimate needy Citizens.

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As a voting Democrat, I think Trump should get his $25 billion to build the Texas/Mexico wall. Trump will do much more than $25 billion in damage if he shuts down the government, as he promised for September, should Congress not pass funding for the wall.
www.telegraph.co.uk/news/0/mexico-border-wall-donald-trump-planning-mu
ch-will-cost-will/

Trump has all the authority he needs to deport 12 million illegals. What is he waiting for? Why hasn't he done it already? Is it because Republicans don't want to work at the jobs the illegals do?
http://money.cnn.com/2017/03/16/news/economy/immigrant-workers-jobs/in
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White Republicans are always whining about that wall and are howling mad about the 12 million illegal aliens doing the low pay jobs of America. Give the Whites the wall and hire all the unemployed White Republicans for those low pay jobs so that the whining and howling will stop. Maybe when 12 million Republicans are working in those low pay jobs left by the illegals, the Republicans will support the Democrats' goal for a higher minimum wage? Seems very fair to me.

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I used to think that people on Food Stamps were worthless and didn't deserve them . . .



Food Stamps are part of the agriculture bill – the program has to be sold as helping the farming states make money. The idea can’t be sold as exclusively for helping the hungry.

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I can't really argue any of what you posted here. Sure, it's all generalizations and there are going to be exceptions to the rule, but not enough to argue any points you made.

I think everybody should be poor once in their lives.

There's two things to learn when you've lived that way for a while that you can't just explain to somebody because they just wouldn't actually get it unless they had to really live with it for a period of time.

1. Basic things like food and heat during the winter should not be a problem for anybody to acquire. We're supposedly the greatest nation the world has ever seen and yet we still have people starving and freezing to death.

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If they don't like it they should return to their Mexico home, where it is warm.

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2. You've got to really have problems (mental or otherwise) if you actually want to stay on government programs for any prolonged period of time.

Aside from the fact that the Government wants to know everything about you while you're on them, it's actually a lot of effort to get them and maintain them over time. You also have to purposefully curb your work hours to maintain them, by doing things like actively turning down extra shifts.

I make too much money hourly to get them even if I were to intentionally curb my hours, because you can't get them unless you work 20 hours per week.


With all the terrible spending choices our government makes with our tax dollars, you'll never hear me bitching again about food stamps. I don't envy any person who makes so little that they can be eligible to get them, and I'm happy to know that a part of my taxes go to help feed them.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Such an advocate for Illegal Alien parasites, you are.

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I see what the problem is here.

You're saying the only people who live here without heat and food in this country are Mexicans.

I don't know... Maybe that's as racist as it is untrue?

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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No, you are incorrect yet again. No, you do not see.
You keep claiming there is no waste, Fraud, abuse, meaning there are no Illegal Alien parasites consuming our resources.
I keep pointing out that Illegal Aliens fraudulently consume these resources, and for at least this portion of the Food Stamp program, this is waste, fraud, and abuse - diverting resources from legitimate needy Citizens.

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You brought up illegals leaching off the system three times now. I've already said twice that I'm against this, and this will make it the third time. Are you stupid or something?

Do I have to re-quote my post a third fucking time about how we can keep them well fed for their trip back home as they're deported?

What the fuck is wrong with you man? Really.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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