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Funny that you should mention Animal Farm, an allegorical novella by George Orwell. Once the pigs were in charge of the farm, they started over-eating, well, like pigs. The GOP equivalent is over-paying: add Mick Mulvaney to the list of Big Spenders with Other People’s Money. He created a bunch of new positions that never were needed before and then paid his people $259,500 a year. That is more than the salaries of members of Congress, cabinet secretaries, and nearly all federal judges apart from those who sit on the Supreme Court. Republicans are Pigs.

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6ixStringJack, the USA imploded several times. The most famous occasion was the Civil War, where ultra-liberals were opposed to the perfectly biblical, time-tested for thousands of years, economically important institution of slavery.

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The Phantom of the make-believe Ultra-Liberal Republicans rises yet again, in the delusions of the Freedom-Hating Democraps.

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JewelStaiteFan, you lost your tiny mind. Now you've gone so far as to deny the Civil War was about slavery

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Funny that you should mention Animal Farm, an allegorical novella by George Orwell. Once the pigs were in charge of the farm, they started over-eating, well, like pigs. The GOP equivalent is over-paying: add Mick Mulvaney to the list of Big Spenders with Other People’s Money. He created a bunch of new positions that never were needed before and then paid his people $259,500 a year. That is more than the salaries of members of Congress, cabinet secretaries, and nearly all federal judges apart from those who sit on the Supreme Court. Republicans are Pigs.

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lol... so are Democratic politicians. I don't see any of them turning down their salaries or pay raises or cushy retirement benefits with the best healthcare taxpayer dollars can buy.


None of this changes the fact that Animal Farm was terrifying.

Why on earth would you label it as a Dark Comedy?

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“I Hacked An Election. So Can The Russians.”

Alex Halderman lays out the case for an audited paper trail — for what the world’s cybersecurity experts have been unanimously flailing their arms about for two decades — in terms so simple and vivid that even Congress should be able to understand them.

www.nytimes.com/2018/04/05/opinion/election-voting-machine-hacking-rus
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The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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I've been saying this since the early to mid 2000's. Sans the "Russia!" stuff.

Sure. Russia could probably hack it. So could anybody else. And I mean anybody.

You don't have to look half a globe away for bad people. As you often point out in this forum, Second, there are plenty of people with bad intentions right here with us.

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I've been saying this since the early to mid 2000's. Sans the "Russia!" stuff.

Sure. Russia could probably hack it. So could anybody else. And I mean anybody.

You don't have to look half a globe away for bad people. As you often point out in this forum, Second, there are plenty of people with bad intentions right here with us.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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One of those "people with bad intentions" is Trump. I would write it in all capital letters, but that makes it harder to read. Imagine me pointing a shotgun at Trump and screaming so loudly that my spit is flying everywhere. Now that you got that picture, I say: Trump, if you don't propose legislation that makes it illegal for states to use machines in Federal elections from a list of hack-able electronic voting machines, I am knee-capping you. Do you prefer left knee or right? Depends on your golf swing. Trump won't sponsor any legislation because that will call into question his victory in 2016. He is a person "with bad intentions".

Yesterday, Trump spent the afternoon watching TV about his lawyer's law office being raided by the FBI. I cannot make Trump do any work when he is at work, even if I had a shotgun. What I really need is the remote control on his TV. No TV for Trump until after work ought to be a law.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Germany ended electronic voting in 2009, with the German Federal Constitutional Court finding that the inability to have meaningful public scrutiny meant that electronic voting was unconstitutional. Does Trump care about Germany? No, it would call into question his election.

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Germany ended electronic voting in 2009, with the German Federal Constitutional Court finding that the inability to have meaningful public scrutiny meant that electronic voting was unconstitutional. Does Trump care about Germany? No, it would call into question his election.

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You REALLY need to stop doing this.

It would also call into question both of Obama's elections, as well as GWB and thousands upon thousands of lower level elections all the way down to local alderman.

I agree 100% that electronic voting needs to end. There's no reason to present it like this though. All you're doing is almost ensuring that anybody who voted for Trump is just going to tune you out.

Stop being a tool.

I would have said the same to anybody who was saying the exact same thing that you are now about Obama. It's stupid and counterproductive to the main issue.

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I'm starting to think that you were raped by a Texas Republican when you were little. You've got this strange fixation on Texas Republicans and you seem to completely classify people as either Republican or Good. It's freakin weird man.

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And he again finds himself hauled before a disciplinary body, this time the United States Congress, in order to once again apologize for reckless conduct and cavalier violations of privacy. And odds are that, once again, he will not face any concrete consequences beyond a solemn promise to do better. -SECOND

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Hmm.. SECOND, which party do YOU suppose will jump in and protect our privacy from online data-scrapers? Dems? Repubs?

My bet is: Neither one.


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I'm starting to think that you were raped by a Texas Republican when you were little. You've got this strange fixation on Texas Republicans and you seem to completely classify people as either Republican or Good. It's freakin weird man.

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Funny that you should mention Animal Farm, an allegorical novella by George Orwell. Once the pigs were in charge of the farm, they started over-eating, well, like pigs. The GOP equivalent is over-paying: add Mick Mulvaney to the list of Big Spenders with Other People’s Money. He created a bunch of new positions that never were needed before and then paid his people $259,500 a year. That is more than the salaries of members of Congress, cabinet secretaries, and nearly all federal judges apart from those who sit on the Supreme Court. Republicans are Pigs.

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lol... so are Democratic politicians. I don't see any of them turning down their salaries or pay raises or cushy retirement benefits with the best healthcare taxpayer dollars can buy.


None of this changes the fact that Animal Farm was terrifying.

Why on earth would you label it as a Dark Comedy?

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6ixStringJack, are you afraid of the pigs in Animal Farm? Old Major, the pig in Animal Farm, is Karl Marx. Snowball the pig is Trotsky. Napoleon the pig is Stalin. Squealer the pig is Molotov.

Orwell described the source of the idea of setting the book on a farm: I saw a little boy, perhaps ten years old, driving a huge carthorse along a narrow path, whipping it whenever it tried to turn. It struck me that if only such animals became aware of their strength we should have no power over them, and that men exploit animals in much the same way as the rich exploit the lower classes. 6ixStringJack is lower class. Is he afraid of being beaten like the gullible carthorse in Animal House, then sent to the slaughter house by Napoleon who fooled the other animals into believing that he is getting sent to the hospital? Is that why "Animal Farm was terrifying"?

https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Animal_Farm

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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I'm not lower class.

I'm just middle-class with very little ambition and zero desire to screw other people over for my own financial gain.

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It's scary what drugs can do to you. And no, I'm not talking about weed...

I've done cocaine 7 times in my life. Managed to say no to it until my 24th birthday, but finally gave in that night for some reason even though it had been around me all the time for 5 or 6 years before then.

I never did anything particularly stupid while on it, but when you're brain is shooting mega doses of serotonin into your system, everything you think sounds like the best idea in the world. I can't even imagine what the more hardcore drugs like Crack and Meth and any of these other drugs made from cooking pharmaceuticals will do to you.

Fortunately for me, I made it a point to never befriend any dealers so it wasn't readily available to me at any time. Even more fortunate that unlike some of my friends who regularly did it, I would crash extremely hard and be useless for a day or two afterward so even though it was pretty much the most amazing feeling in the world I would say no unless I was stupid drunk and didn't have any plans for the weekend, which was pretty rare back in those days.

This guy probably wasn't a genius before he got involved with them, but it might not be a question of intelligence here.

I know that you're as straight edged as they come, JSF, so you couldn't possibly understand.

I'm certainly not advocating anybody use any hard core drugs or condoning this behavior. Just giving a different perspective on the issue.

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Okay, SECOND ... speaking of slow learners ... what does your posting this article tell us about YOU?

Well, you hate Republicans with a passion. It's more than a passion, it's an idée fixe with you, an obsession that you return to over and over:

Republicans - especially Texas

boo hiss Republicans - are unspeakably evil and incapable of learning. And Trump belongs in a class of contempt all his own, but Democrats will save the day!

But apparently, according to the article, Trump is killing the GOP chances this election. So the logical conclusion is that you should LIKE Trump, because he is damaging the GOP, even more than the Democrats could. He might not be your friend, but a force for change .... in some fashion, even a force for good.

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America is an oligarchy
http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=57876

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Okay, SECOND ... speaking of slow learners ... what does your posting this article tell us about YOU?

Well, you hate Republicans with a passion. It's more than a passion, it's an idée fixe with you, an obsession that you return to over and over:

Republicans - especially Texas boo hiss Republicans - are unspeakably evil and incapable of learning. And Trump belongs in a class of contempt all his own, but Democrats will save the day!

But apparently, according to the article, Trump is killing the GOP chances this election. So the logical conclusion is that you should LIKE Trump, because he is damaging the GOP, even more than the Democrats could. He might not be your friend, but a force for change .... in some fashion, even a force for good. - SIGNY

Unless the Congressman in the story was a journalistic invention, that Congressman was saying some truths about Trump that Signym and other voters for Trump ought to know. I've known Trump-like characters in Texas. I would never do a second business deal with them because they break their promises, but Trump voters don't have much common sense about untrustworthy people. They talk about Trump as a "loose cannon" that will "drain the swamp". But Trump is never what his voters imagine he is.- SECOND

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Lets say Trump killz the GoP. I mean gon!

Or maybe the Demz will take America to a new level uv sivilization without the so-called conservativ ball & chain holding them back.

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Okay, SECOND ... speaking of slow learners ... what does your posting this article tell us about YOU?

Well, you hate Republicans with a passion. It's more than a passion, it's an idée fixe with you, an obsession that you return to over and over:

Republicans - especially Texas boo hiss Republicans - are unspeakably evil and incapable of learning. And Trump belongs in a class of contempt all his own, but Democrats will save the day!

But apparently, according to the article, Trump is killing the GOP chances this election. So the logical conclusion is that you should LIKE Trump, because he is damaging the GOP, even more than the Democrats could. He might not be your friend, but a force for change .... in some fashion, even a force for good. - SIGNY

Unless the Congressman in the story was a journalistic invention, that Congressman was saying some truths about Trump that Signym and other voters for Trump ought to know. I've known Trump-like characters in Texas. I would never do a second business deal with them because they break their promises, but Trump voters don't have much common sense about untrustworthy people. They talk about Trump as a "loose cannon" that will "drain the swamp". But Trump is never what his voters imagine he is.- SECOND

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So, this all seems to be about you hating people ... who do you hate more? Trump? Or the GOP? Because they don't seem to be going in exactly the same direction.

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America is an oligarchy
http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=57876

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I was going to let this pass, but decided not to. 6ixStringJack, you dropped below the income cutoff line. People think they are middle-class, whether they make $22k or $200k. The article for you is Everybody Thinks They Are Middle-class.

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Then there is 6ixStringJack's revealing self-confession, most definitely not Middle-Class:
http://fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=60807&mid=10513
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It's scary what drugs can do to you. And no, I'm not talking about weed...

I've done cocaine 7 times in my life. Managed to say no to it until my 24th birthday, but finally gave in that night for some reason even though it had been around me all the time for 5 or 6 years before then.

I never did anything particularly stupid while on it, but when you're brain is shooting mega doses of serotonin into your system, everything you think sounds like the best idea in the world. I can't even imagine what the more hardcore drugs like Crack and Meth and any of these other drugs made from cooking pharmaceuticals will do to you.

Fortunately for me, I made it a point to never befriend any dealers so it wasn't readily available to me at any time. Even more fortunate that unlike some of my friends who regularly did it, I would crash extremely hard and be useless for a day or two afterward so even though it was pretty much the most amazing feeling in the world I would say no unless I was stupid drunk and didn't have any plans for the weekend, which was pretty rare back in those days.

This guy probably wasn't a genius before he got involved with them, but it might not be a question of intelligence here.

I know that you're as straight edged as they come, JSF, so you couldn't possibly understand.

I'm certainly not advocating anybody use any hard core drugs or condoning this behavior. Just giving a different perspective on the issue.

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lol...

Obviously you've never been around kids before. Rich or poor. Rich kids are some of the hardest drug abusers out there. They just tend to be able to get their hands on more expensive designer drugs.

I'm assuming you didn't go to college either? Neither did I, to be fair, but I was at college parties so much that people who attended classes there saw me so much they would ask me what my major was.

Doing drugs is not at all an indicator of your "class status".



Taking my candor about my misguided past and trying to it against me in a personal attack tells us a lot about how classy you are though.

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lol...

Obviously you've never been around kids before. Rich or poor. Rich kids are some of the hardest drug abusers out there. They just tend to be able to get their hands on more expensive designer drugs.

I'm assuming you didn't go to college either? Neither did I, to be fair, but I was at college parties so much that people who attended classes there saw me so much they would ask me what my major was.

Doing drugs is not at all an indicator of your "class status".



Taking my candor about my misguided past and trying to it against me in a personal attack tells us a lot about how classy you are though.

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6ix, you missed the point, even though I underlined it. You are the perfect guest for The Jerry Springer Show. Unlike Jerry's guests, the Middle-Class don't make public confessions. It is the opposite of bourgeois. You have publicly excluded yourself from decency. Save the confessions for your therapist if you are middle class. There is slightly more to being Middle-Class than having a certain income.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Jerry_Springer_Show

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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This isn't a public confession. I don't know who you are anymore than you know who I am.

My confession, as you call it, was insight into something JSF said. He implied that somebody engaged in stupid behavior because they were stupid. I was coming from a different perspective to say that the drugs involved likely had a lot more to do with the behavior than the raw intelligence of the person who carried out the act.

You're just salty that I outed you for being raped by a Texas Republican in your youth.

It's not your fault man. That's a shitty thing to happen to a kid and you didn't have any control over the situation. My heart goes out to you.

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I hate Trump no more than I hate Trump-like businessmen that I have sued for breach of contract. Bankrupting some of them was a side effect of getting my money back plus interest and legal expenses. There was a suicide from one who couldn't live with the failure of his business. The part of me that knows Republicans are better than Democrats for lower taxes on the wealthy saw that death as well-deserved justice. That guy long had it coming and my attorneys made it happen. Three cheers for expensive Houston law firms and Robert Mueller!

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I hate Trump no more than I hate Trump-like businessmen that I have sued for breach of contract. Bankrupting some of them was a side effect of getting my money back plus interest and legal expenses. There was a suicide from one who couldn't live with the failure of his business. The part of me that knows Republicans are better than Democrats for lower taxes on the wealthy saw that death as well-deserved justice. That guy long had it coming and my attorneys made it happen. Three cheers for expensive Houston law firms and Robert Mueller!

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Wow, you ARE vindictive! Must be all that unresolved anger floating around in you like a bad stew. You, WISHY, and THUGR: Poster-children for what permanent anger does to people!

But, to the topic: What "contract" did you have with Trump that he broke? Because, yanno, you're just projecting your own problems on somebody that doesn't seem to have anything ot do with them.

SIX: I think SECOND was disabled in some way due to the helicopter accident that SECOND mentioned some time ago. Maybe he's blind, or impotent and in a wheelchair. That would explain all of the anger.

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http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=57876

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I hate Trump no more than I hate Trump-like businessmen that I have sued for breach of contract. Bankrupting some of them was a side effect of getting my money back plus interest and legal expenses. There was a suicide from one who couldn't live with the failure of his business. The part of me that knows Republicans are better than Democrats for lower taxes on the wealthy saw that death as well-deserved justice. That guy long had it coming and my attorneys made it happen. Three cheers for expensive Houston law firms and Robert Mueller!

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Wow, you ARE vindictive! Must be all that unresolved anger floating around in you like a bad stew. You, WISHY, and THUGR: Poster-children for what permanent anger does to people!

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From that helicopter crash I’ve got one leg shorter than the other and two ankles with reduced movement. Running is impossible, but I can limp kind of fast. Walking always reminds me that I burn to punch Nixon’s face through the back of his head. Since he is dead, that tasty and delicious animosity has diffused into a cloud around lying Republicans. It’s fun to go to court and fight the Vietnam War again, but this time I win and the Republican loses. I never had business dealings with Trump, but he is the biggest liar in business and the GOP. I want to see his downfall in court. I want to see him bankrupt. And if he will shoot himself in head, that would really make my entire month joyful, now that Nixon’s dead. I probably should be mad at LBJ over Vietnam, but I can’t. His Presidential Library is in Austin where I went to the University of Texas. I understand all too well what kind of monster LBJ was. I’m one, too, and I like him because I’m like him.

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Types of Stinking Thinking
Stinking thinking can include negative ideas such as:

* Resenting other people
* Bitterness about the past
* Self-centeredness
* Blaming other people
* Feeling superior to everyone else
* Feeling inferior to everyone else
* Grandiosity
* Ill-will towards strangers
* Focus on the faults of other people
* Viewing the world in black and white
* Being overly pessimistic
* Schadenfreude – getting enjoyment from watching other people fail
* Blowing things out of proportion
* Always attributing negative motives behind the actions of others

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The Republicans’ $1.5 trillion tax cut will increase the federal debt by $1.9 trillion.

This comes from Table B-3 in the Congressional Budget Office report, page 129, so far in the back that no one reads it. The exact figure is $1.854 trillion from 2018 to 2028. That number was promised by Trump to be zero dollars or even a negative number.
www.cbo.gov/publication/53651

In other words, the tax cut doesn’t pay for itself. It doesn’t even partially pay for itself.

www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2018/04/cbo-projects-1-5-trillion-tax-c
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I hope you realize that you've just outed yourself as a "monster" whose rants are nothing more than personal spew.

Your POV is radically off-kilter. Dood, you need to do something with yourself besides honing your long-burning hatred of a man who died more than 20 years ago! And while you're at it, get rid of all of that self-justification that's required when you're a rich asshole. If you can't see to giving your money away, at least stop being such as ass.

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The Republicans’ $1.5 trillion tax cut will increase the federal debt by $1.9 trillion.

This comes from Table B-3 in the Congressional Budget Office report, page 129, so far in the back that no one reads it. The exact figure is $1.854 trillion from 2018 to 2028. That number was promised by Trump to be zero dollars or even a negative number.
www.cbo.gov/publication/53651

In other words, the tax cut doesn’t pay for itself. It doesn’t even partially pay for itself.

www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2018/04/cbo-projects-1-5-trillion-tax-c
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Trump is calling backsies on exiting the Trans-Pacific Partnership trade deal
www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/4/12/17230058/trump-trans-pacific
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Trump has directed his economic advisers to look into renegotiating the US back into TPP.

President Donald Trump, who called the Trans-Pacific Partnership trade deal a “disaster” and pulled the United States out of the agreement in his first action as president, wants back in.

Trump has directed Larry Kudlow, his new top economic adviser, and US Trade Representative Robert Lighthizer to look into negotiating the US’s reentry into the TPP, Sens. Pat Roberts (R-KS) and Ben Sasse (R-NE) told reporters.

It’s a truly shocking reversal from Trump on one of his signature campaign promises.

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Trump is calling backsies on exiting the Trans-Pacific Partnership trade deal
www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/4/12/17230058/trump-trans-pacific
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Trump has directed his economic advisers to look into renegotiating the US back into TPP.

President Donald Trump, who called the Trans-Pacific Partnership trade deal a “disaster” and pulled the United States out of the agreement in his first action as president, wants back in.

Trump has directed Larry Kudlow, his new top economic adviser, and US Trade Representative Robert Lighthizer to look into negotiating the US’s reentry into the TPP, Sens. Pat Roberts (R-KS) and Ben Sasse (R-NE) told reporters.

It’s a truly shocking reversal from Trump on one of his signature campaign promises.

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Here’s one easy way to identify the distorted priorities of the TPP: the term “climate change” isn’t so much as mentioned once in all 30 chapters.

There’s a lot of talk about the Trans-Pacific Partnership because after years of absurd secrecy, the text of the deal was finally released in November 2015. Now, if Congress approves this deal, the TPP can trump common-sense protections for workers, the environment, public health, food safety and much more. It is a deal that strengthens the power of corporations and weakens our democratic institutions by putting global commerce ahead of the public.

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"In a series of broken promises Trump made to the working people of this country, rejoining the job-killing Trans-Pacific Partnership would be the biggest yet," warned Sen. Bernie Sanders.

Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D-Mass.) also weighed in, calling Trump's move "a ridiculous reversal and a slap in the face to the hard-working Americans Trump promised to fight for."

Negotiated under a veil of strictly-enforced secrecy by the Obama administration and so-called trade advisory committees stocked with corporate representatives, the TPP was never really even about establishing conditions for "free trade," as numerous analysts have noted.

Rather, as The Intercept's Zaid Jilani argued, the pact is primarily aimed at "protecting corporate profits" by "crafting regulatory regimes that benefit certain industries."

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How can you be a fan of TPP? I can understand why Democratic politicians are, because politicians are liars and don't care about the people anymore than Republican politicians do in general, but as a citizen who happens to be a Democrat, how do you support it?

A reversal on this will be devastating to Trump's reelection chances. If that's the reason why you support it though, that is just sad.

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Here’s one easy way to identify the distorted priorities of the TPP: the term “climate change” isn’t so much as mentioned once in all 30 chapters.

There’s a lot of talk about the Trans-Pacific Partnership because after years of absurd secrecy, the text of the deal was finally released in November 2015. Now, if Congress approves this deal, the TPP can trump common-sense protections for workers, the environment, public health, food safety and much more. It is a deal that strengthens the power of corporations and weakens our democratic institutions by putting global commerce ahead of the public.

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https://www.commondreams.org/views/2015/11/24/wtf-tpp

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"In a series of broken promises Trump made to the working people of this country, rejoining the job-killing Trans-Pacific Partnership would be the biggest yet," warned Sen. Bernie Sanders.

Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D-Mass.) also weighed in, calling Trump's move "a ridiculous reversal and a slap in the face to the hard-working Americans Trump promised to fight for."

Negotiated under a veil of strictly-enforced secrecy by the Obama administration and so-called trade advisory committees stocked with corporate representatives, the TPP was never really even about establishing conditions for "free trade," as numerous analysts have noted.

Rather, as The Intercept's Zaid Jilani argued, the pact is primarily aimed at "protecting corporate profits" by "crafting regulatory regimes that benefit certain industries."

The deal—which was signed in March by 11 Asia-Pacific nations amid fierce grassroots opposition—is particularly generous to Big Pharma, as it "expands monopoly protections and patents for various pharmaceutical drugs," Jilani observed.

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https://www.commondreams.org/news/2018/04/12/confirming-he-does-not-gi
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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
How can you be a fan of TPP? I can understand why Democratic politicians are, because politicians are liars and don't care about the people anymore than Republican politicians do in general, but as a citizen who happens to be a Democrat, how do you support it?

A reversal on this will be devastating to Trump's reelection chances. If that's the reason why you support it though, that is just sad.

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Here’s one easy way to identify the distorted priorities of the TPP: the term “climate change” isn’t so much as mentioned once in all 30 chapters.

There’s a lot of talk about the Trans-Pacific Partnership because after years of absurd secrecy, the text of the deal was finally released in November 2015. Now, if Congress approves this deal, the TPP can trump common-sense protections for workers, the environment, public health, food safety and much more. It is a deal that strengthens the power of corporations and weakens our democratic institutions by putting global commerce ahead of the public.

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"In a series of broken promises Trump made to the working people of this country, rejoining the job-killing Trans-Pacific Partnership would be the biggest yet," warned Sen. Bernie Sanders.

Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D-Mass.) also weighed in, calling Trump's move "a ridiculous reversal and a slap in the face to the hard-working Americans Trump promised to fight for."

Negotiated under a veil of strictly-enforced secrecy by the Obama administration and so-called trade advisory committees stocked with corporate representatives, the TPP was never really even about establishing conditions for "free trade," as numerous analysts have noted.

Rather, as The Intercept's Zaid Jilani argued, the pact is primarily aimed at "protecting corporate profits" by "crafting regulatory regimes that benefit certain industries."

The deal—which was signed in March by 11 Asia-Pacific nations amid fierce grassroots opposition—is particularly generous to Big Pharma, as it "expands monopoly protections and patents for various pharmaceutical drugs," Jilani observed.

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A. Who are you talking to?

B. Who said they were a fan of TPP?

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I'm a huge fan of Trump showing he's a brainless ass in public, especially on issues some Trump supporters hung their vote on. He's a lying sack of sh*t - when will Chump supporters wake up? He's ridden and abused them like a rented mule. It's one of the great political ironies of the last century that the base that keeps him in power is made up of the very people he's abused the most and done the least for. He could give a sh*t about any of them. I think there's a certain cruel, beautiful justice in that.

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

The TPP would have already happened long ago under Clinton. There is no justice for anybody if this goes through now.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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