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Monday, October 9, 2017 7:35 PM
SECOND
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: Wrong. BOTH Dems and Repubs . . .
Monday, October 9, 2017 8:49 PM
Monday, October 9, 2017 9:59 PM
1KIKI
Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.
Monday, October 9, 2017 11:58 PM
SIGNYM
I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.
Quote:Originally posted by 1kiki: old info and not relevant, nobody's thought of people as rational deciders for over a decade And once again you posted something that failed to address the actual ideas of the person you're pretending to have a discussion with. Which is what makes you completely useless as a factor in changing anyone's mind --- except of course to make them think less, and less, and less of you, as time goes on. You're certainly changing people's minds about you.
Tuesday, October 10, 2017 12:44 AM
JEWELSTAITEFAN
Quote:Originally posted by 6stringJoker: Hillary would never have run as VP. Way too big of an ego. She technically did win the popular vote. I think a lot of people who voted for Trump were simply voting against the Clinton family and the status quo. I think say, a female version of Bernie Sanders would have won by a landslide against Trump. I don't think it had much to do with a fact she was a woman in the end. Sure, there are some people who were voting against that, but they generally speaking would have been voting against any democrat these days for a lot of other reasons anyhow. You guys (and gals) just put the wrong woman up. She's just a shitty person all around. If you put another woman up next time, I suggest that it be somebody people actually like. Don't want to make a streak of females losing in that race and set a precedent of it.
Tuesday, October 10, 2017 6:13 AM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: KIKI gets the Nobel Prize for the funniest post! SECOND, if YOU think that I take the atomistic, rational (indeed prescient) actor of standard economic theory at all seriously, then your head is up your ass. MOST economic theory today is sheer bunk, which is ... wait, hold the presses! .... exactly what that article about "algorithmic" flaws said! Don't you understand or even read your own posts?? There is a serious problem with the underpinnings of today's economic theory, about how an economy works and what makes an economy run well. I have three books on the ten (in total) wrong assumptions underpinning today's economic theory, and the "rational actor" assumption is only one of them.
Tuesday, October 10, 2017 6:50 AM
Quote:Originally posted by 1kiki: And once again you posted something that failed to address the actual ideas of the person you're pretending to have a discussion with. Which is what makes you completely useless as a factor in changing anyone's mind --- except of course to make them think less, and less, and less of you, as time goes on. You're certainly changing people's minds about you.
Tuesday, October 10, 2017 8:33 AM
Quote: The Republican Party swears on a stack of Bibles that the Market place is rational. When the GOP voters see that blah blah blah and blah blah blah ... - SECOND
Quote: And once again you posted something that failed to address the actual ideas of the person you're pretending to have a discussion with. Which is what makes you completely useless as a factor in changing anyone's mind --- except of course to make them think less, and less, and less of you, as time goes on. You're certainly changing people's minds about you. - KIKI There is no discussion because I think you are inauthentic.- SECOND
Quote: Remember the accusations that 1kiki and Signym are Russian trolls? That is one of the nicest theory about what you really are:- SECOND
Tuesday, October 10, 2017 9:35 AM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: If you're not interesting in having a discussion, why the hell would anyone want to converse with you? All YOU'RE doing is pushing your religion. You're boring as shit, did you know that? Quote: Remember the accusations that 1kiki and Signym are Russian trolls? That is one of the nicest theory about what you really are:- SECOND Oh, hon, you wouldn't believe the theories that we have about you. One of the nicest ones is that you're pro-illegal immigration because you hate America and you hate Americans, you're really loyal to Mexico.
Tuesday, October 10, 2017 10:40 AM
Quote: If you're not interesting in having a discussion, why the hell would anyone want to converse with you? All YOU'RE doing is pushing your religion. You're boring as shit, did you know that? - SIGNY
Quote: Remember the accusations that 1kiki and Signym are Russian trolls? That is one of the nicest theory about what you really are:- SECOND Oh, hon, you wouldn't believe the theories that we have about you. One of the nicest ones is that you're pro-illegal immigration because you hate America and you hate Americans, you're really loyal to Mexico. - SIGNY I'll give you facts so you can create a theory about me: I was raised as a Jehovah's Witness. www.jw.org - blah blah blah- SECOND
Tuesday, October 10, 2017 12:35 PM
THGRRI
Tuesday, October 10, 2017 12:59 PM
Quote: While talking about being objective at the Times, Dudich replies candidly, "No I'm not, that's why I'm here." Dudich considers himself an important player at the New York Times, telling the Project Veritas Journalist "my voice is on... my imprint is on every video we do." Dudich goes on to explain what he might do to target President Trump: "I'd target his businesses, his dumb fuck of a son, Donald Jr., and Eric... "Target that. Get people to boycott going to his hotels. Boycott... So a lot of the Trump brands, if you can ruin the Trump brand and you put pressure on his business and you start investigating his business and you start shutting it down, or they're hacking or other things. He cares about his business more than he cares about being President. He would resign. Or he'd lash out and do something incredibly illegal, which he would have to." When the undercover journalist asks Dudich if he could make sure that the anti-Trump stories make it to the front, he replied, "Oh, we always do."
Tuesday, October 10, 2017 7:09 PM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: So, no answer to the question as to why anyone would even want to talk to you because you're not interested in having a discussion, you just want to push your political religion?
Tuesday, October 10, 2017 7:15 PM
Quote:Originally posted by second: There is no discussion because I refuse to discuss anything because I'm a troll and RUSSIA! and blah blah blah
Tuesday, October 10, 2017 7:44 PM
Tuesday, October 10, 2017 7:55 PM
JO753
rezident owtsidr
Tuesday, October 10, 2017 7:57 PM
Tuesday, October 10, 2017 8:51 PM
Quote:Originally posted by 1kiki: So, to get back to what's wrong with the ironically-named 'democratic' party. For a start, SECOND is what's wrong with the party. SECOND and its wealthy ilk who don't like republicans but really don't want to change the way things are: where the rich get richer and more powerful by the day, and everyone else gets screwed. 'Third-way' politicians like the Clintons are what's wrong with the party. These deeply cynical people have no interest in the rest of us. SGG and people like him are what's wrong with the party. Those are people who are permanently wedded to the party's identity politics because it gives them 'special victim' status. They'd rather go home with the plastic consolation prize, instead of finding common cause to change the system - or seeking true fairness and justice for all. Do-gooder organizations like the Sierra Club are what's wrong with the party. They are so deeply entrenched that they, too, refuse to give up their little, meaningless piece of turf, to join forces to move the system.
Tuesday, October 10, 2017 8:58 PM
Quote:You're actually not struggling against a few thousand people in the hierarchy of the Democratic and Republican parties who will not accept your superior ideas. ... it takes more to change society than convincing party leadership to change their ways.
Tuesday, October 10, 2017 9:05 PM
Quote:Originally posted by 1kiki: I don't care what the party leadership does, SECOND. BTW 61,943,670 voted for Trump. Republicans COULD have voted for more of the same in the primaries. But they didn't. Americans COULD have voted for more of the same in the general election. But 61,943,670 didn't. A lot of people are seeking change. I think what people of both parties fear, more than anything else, is a rogue candidate getting elected - which is what happened.
Tuesday, October 10, 2017 9:14 PM
Quote:Originally posted by 1kiki: I don't care what the party leadership does, SECOND.
Tuesday, October 10, 2017 9:36 PM
Quote:Originally posted by JO753: I jenerally agree with you. Exept for the attack on 2nd and SGG. If you 2 can state your pozition on hiz complaints, we can all hav a good laff at hiz unfair karakterization.
Quote:DUZ XaT SEM RiT TQ YQ?
Tuesday, October 10, 2017 9:41 PM
Quote: Most monkeys operate in troupes of 50 or so. But somebody slipped them a slightly larger brain and they estimated the ideal group or society for this particular animal was about 150. That brain, of course, was human. Probably from a homeless man they snatched off the streets. "So that's the big news? That humans are God's big-budget sequel to the monkey? Who didn't know that?" It goes much, much deeper than that.
Tuesday, October 10, 2017 10:23 PM
Tuesday, October 10, 2017 11:15 PM
Tuesday, October 10, 2017 11:42 PM
Quote:Originally posted by 1kiki: That said, catering to identity politics is not, in my opinion, a way to garner broad-based support.
Wednesday, October 11, 2017 8:18 AM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: You see? I said you hated the USA and here you are: hating the USA, hating democracy, and especially hating Americans.
Wednesday, October 11, 2017 10:20 AM
Quote:I remember a conversation I had with Walt Mossberg in which he recounted a conversation he had with Steve Ballmer who, at the times, was the CEO of Microsoft. He told me he’d said, "Steve, if you guys would be 5 percent less greedy, the world would like you 100 percent more." I'm now watching that dynamic play out again with Google where, despite their "don't be evil" philosophy, they're becoming the focus of antitrust investigations. I look at these patterns in platforms in which they start out with a burst of optimism and creation of public value, then gradually they start turning away from that. I'm trying to understand why that is.
Quote: It seems to me that the same pattern we've seen with technology platforms is playing out today in our broader economy, where financial markets in particular have turned into an extractive monopoly rather than a support system for our economy. Something like 85 percent of all corporate "investment" today goes to dividends and share buybacks. Very little goes to actual investment in people, building things, and R&D. It's all going into financial gamesmanship. Looking at the pattern of algorithmic systems like Google and Facebook, I started thinking about how that applies to financial markets. A system like Google has hundreds of factors that are being taken into account, but they all have a master objective function, a fitness function, which is relevance in search results and ads. Facebook's fitness function, their objective function, is to produce content that's engaging. We saw how that went wrong with fake news. Mark and the Facebook team are trying to deal with that. They're wrestling with the fact that they had this idea about how to build an engaging product, and it's been subverted.
Quote:I look at our economic system where inequality is increasing, and I ask myself: Is that also a system that's dominated by an algorithm? What are they trying to optimize for? I started to realize that thirty or forty years ago was the point we told companies that there's only one thing to optimize for, and that is shareholder value. That's the point in the '70s where you see this great divergence between the increased productivity brought on by technology and the actual benefit to the economy, where you see inequality soar, where you see people not doing as well as their parents. I came around to thinking that in some ways financial markets are that rogue AI that people like Elon Musk have been talking about. Nick Bostrom and Elon Musk and everybody use these artificial thought experiments, like the AI which follows its objective function of making paperclips. Musk used one recently about the strawberry-picking robot that decides humans are in the way of its picking strawberries. Those aren't realistic. What is realistic is a world in which you have an increasingly algorithmic financial system saying, "Hey, optimize for corporate profit because it drives stock price. Never mind what happens to the people. Never mind what happens to society." We're in that AI-driven situation. What do we do about that? How do we debug the objective function of an increasingly automated economy, of an economy that's dominated by systems that are, to use a great quote from Wallace Stevens, "without human feeling, without human meaning, a foreign song"? We're living in a world which is dominated by a system that disregards human value. A great quote comes to mind from a guy named Andrew Singer. Many years ago he said to me, "The art of debugging a computer program is to figure out what you really told the computer to do instead of what you thought you told it to do." Right now, Facebook is engaged in this struggle, as is Google.
Quote: We have to do the same thing in our society. We had a theory that if we optimized for shareholder value and corporate profit, and if we aligned the interest of shareholders and the interests of management, companies would prosper and the economy would prosper. Now, thirty or forty years on, we're looking at it and realizing it didn't quite work out that way. So what do we replace it with? If you think back to the Middle Ages, everybody believed in the divine right of kings. Right now, everybody believes in the divine right of capital. It's only “natural” that the owners of businesses and the owners of capital should try to extract as much as possible for themselves and leave society in the lurch, and that they should basically treat people as a cost to be eliminated. We accept that. We simply believe that that's the way the world works. We ignore things that run contrary to that. We have this sense that the way the world is today, that the story we tell ourselves about the world is somehow true.
Wednesday, October 11, 2017 10:55 AM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: There is no reason or logic behind your intense and irrational focus on the "stupidity" of people, Republicans in general, Texas Republicans in particular, and Trump specifically. What's driving YOU, my friend, is that . . .
Wednesday, October 11, 2017 11:13 AM
Wednesday, October 11, 2017 1:05 PM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: SECOND, you have ENDLESSLY splattered the board with your anti-Trump schiess, on everything from his pink hair to his orange skin to his small hands and nude portrait; blaming Trump for being rich, for cheating on his taxes, for getting peed on by a prostitute, for colluding with Russia, for "racism", for warmongering (also see Obama, Bush, Clinton, Bush, Reagan, and Carter), and for the process of advancing wealth inequality, which (as I've pointed out) has been going on for centuries (including being aided and abetted by Bill Clinton and Barack Obama) not just the past nine months. You've posted so much anal-splatter on the board, about how bad Trump is, how bad Texas Republicans are, how "stupid" people are ... I can't even keep track of all the bullshit that you posted, most of which makes no sense at all. Clearly, you're just obsessively and selectively looking for anything and everything that puts Trump in a bad light. If you should happen to hit on one or two real issues, that doesn't explain or excuse all the rest of the crap that you posted. You're still an elitist butt hurt globalist shill. AND your allegiances are STILL elsewhere. It's like you can't even talk about "America" or "Americans", as if the very concept offends you.
Wednesday, October 11, 2017 1:30 PM
Quote: Clearly, you are not interested in what Trump's North Korean strategy is. Remember his "Only one thing will work" in dealing with North Korea? What is Trump's "thing"? It will be a surprise! - SECOND
Wednesday, October 11, 2017 2:04 PM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: . . . to repeat myself, forwarding a "globalist" agenda which puts everyone else's interests ahead of ours, and which diminishes the role of democracy in the USA by handing off our sovereignty to faceless international bankers, nameless commissions, and secret trade tribunals.
Wednesday, October 11, 2017 2:31 PM
Quote: You've been reading too much propaganda written in Russia for American consumption, comrade Signym. I would never question your loyalty or patriotism to Russia/America/I have no idea what country you logged in from, you big fake.
Wednesday, October 11, 2017 3:06 PM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: What a fucking douche.
Wednesday, October 11, 2017 3:11 PM
Wednesday, October 11, 2017 3:29 PM
Quote:Originally posted by 1kiki: Trolling AGAIN SECOND-RATE?Quote:Originally posted by second: There is no discussion because I refuse to discuss anything because I'm a troll and RUSSIA! and blah blah blah
Wednesday, October 11, 2017 3:59 PM
Quote:Originally posted by second: There is no discussion because I refuse to discuss anything because I'm a troll and RUSSIA! and blah blah blah ... - KIKI One tool of trolling is posting from zerohedge. All non trolls know that. All trolls do it regardless of the fact that the writers there hide their identities. - THUGR
Friday, October 13, 2017 10:03 PM
Saturday, October 14, 2017 1:16 AM
Saturday, October 14, 2017 2:01 AM
Saturday, October 14, 2017 6:42 AM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: SECOND, I'm not losing my cool. I'm simply describing you as I see you: You're a hypocritical liar and a phony patriot who can't even seem to imagine that "Americans" might actually have many things in common. Instead, you seem more intent on splitting people apart, looking down on an awful lot of people, denigrating democracy, and pandering to victim subgroups, your favorite of which is "the poor illegal immigrant". Until you learn to DISCUSS things with people instead of constantly proselytizing with an endless stream of mostly bullshit, there's not much point in discussing much of anything with you.
Quote: Trump is stoking a particularly destructive form of rage — and his followers don’t just allow themselves to be stoked, they attack Trump’s targets with glee. Contrary to the stereotype of journalists who live in the Beltway and spend their nights at those allegedly omnipresent “cocktail parties,” I live in rural Tennessee, deep in the heart of Trump country. My travels mainly take me to other parts of Trump country, where I engage with Trump voters all the time. If I live in a bubble, it’s the Trump bubble. I know it intimately. And I have never in my adult life seen such anger. There is a near-universal hatred of the media. There is a near-universal hatred of the so-called “elite.” If a person finds out that I didn’t support Trump, I’ll often watch their face transform into a mask of rage. Partisans are so primed to fight — and they so clearly define whom they’re fighting against — that they often don’t care whom or what they’re fighting for….Don’t like the media? Shut it down. Don’t like kneeling football players? Make them stand. Tired of American weakness overseas? Cheer incoherent and reckless tweets as evidence of “strength.”
Saturday, October 14, 2017 7:54 AM
Quote:Originally posted by 1kiki: It's interesting - despite being for Hillary, second hasn't posted here at all, and sgg's only posted one post which didn't say anything about her. It's almost like they're afraid to discuss their candidate.
Saturday, October 14, 2017 9:28 AM
Saturday, October 14, 2017 3:01 PM
Quote: Originally posted by 1kiki: It's interesting - despite being for Hillary, second hasn't posted here at all, and sgg's only posted one post which didn't say anything about her. It's almost like they're afraid to discuss their candidate.
Quote: Originally posted by SECOND: Then that makes Trump your candidate.
Saturday, October 14, 2017 5:35 PM
Sunday, October 15, 2017 5:19 AM
Quote:Originally posted by 1kiki: No, that makes Jill Stein my candidate. Or maybe Gary Johnson. Or Darrell Lane Castle (Constitution Party), or Rocky De La Fuente (Reform Party), or Evan McMullin (Independent), or Gloria Estela La Riva (Party for Socialism and Liberation). After all, I didn't discuss them either. Logic fail much, SECOND?
Sunday, October 15, 2017 5:21 AM
Quote:Originally posted by 1kiki: So, to start to summarize what's been wrong with Hillary for years, and by extension, what's wrong with the Democratic party:
Sunday, October 15, 2017 5:41 AM
Quote:Originally posted by 1kiki: So, to start to summarize what's been wrong with the Democratic party: So instead of trying to unite people to foster the common good, they focus on creating multiple special status victimhoods. For example, you'll find that in the the DNC platform LGBT Rights, Disability Rights, Agricultural Communities, Poverty / Communities Left Behind, Honoring Indigenous Tribal Nations, People of the Territories, and Puerto Rico all get their own special sections of special mention. And let's not forget Student Debt, Minority-Serving Institutions, Women and Girls, Young People, Religious Minorities and Refugees, which also get their own sections. And I'm sure if i looked harder, I'd find more. What could be so terribly hard about setting a goal that everyone, regardless of sex, age, health, race, religion, location, culture or background will all have opportunities for meaningful employment that supports a secure lifestyle?
Sunday, October 15, 2017 10:20 AM
Quote: What could be so terribly hard about setting a goal that everyone, regardless of sex, age, health, race, religion, location, culture or background will all have opportunities for meaningful employment that supports a secure lifestyle? - KIKI
Quote: niggers, queers and Mex-skins.
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