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Why Are Global Warmists Denying Science?

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Wednesday, November 14, 2018 11:13 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Global Warming Alarmists have touted declines in Polar Bear population as a result of Global Warming, or "weather" as some know it.

So now that the Canadian Government has reported that Inuit population is falling because too many Polar Bears are interloping on Inuit turf, Global Warmists are claiming this scientific research is Fake.

Why won't Global Warming Alarmists accept science?

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Wednesday, November 14, 2018 11:56 PM

SIGNYM

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LINKS PLEASE?

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Thursday, November 15, 2018 6:59 AM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
LINKS PLEASE?

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Can't do linkies right now, sorry.

Gobs of results for search Nunavut polar bear Inuit Canada report population. Dated 13 November apparently.

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Thursday, November 15, 2018 7:25 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Is the copy and paste feature broke on your computer?

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Thursday, November 15, 2018 7:26 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Here. Mine works...

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-6388557/Polar-bears-th
reatening-native-Inuit-populations-warns-controversial-government-report.html


Quote:

Images and footage of starving polar bears often result in public outcry about human impacts on the natural world. At the end of last year harrowing footage emerged of an emancipated polar bear stumbling through a terrain devoid of snow and ice


I think they meant emaciated.

Jesus Christ. These people have jobs?

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Thursday, November 15, 2018 11:02 AM

SIGNYM

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Polar bears are now spending more time on land ... and being seen by humans ... because the polar ice (where they used to spend nearly all of their time) is getting smaller and smaller. There was a whole TV show about this more than 10 years ago about polar bears foraging through Native American garbage dumps when they would normally have gone off across the sea ice to hunt.



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Thursday, November 15, 2018 11:06 AM

REAVERFAN


God, you trolls are stupid.

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Thursday, November 15, 2018 11:27 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Quote:

Originally posted by reaverfan:
God, you trolls are stupid.



You'll have to be more elaborate.

Or did you see the thread title and your pre-programmed and involuntary response kicked in?

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Friday, November 16, 2018 5:13 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
LINKS PLEASE?

Some Linkies:

http://www.climatedepot.com/2018/11/15/polar-bear-numbers-are-so-high-
they-threaten-native-inuit-populations-finds-canadian-government-report
/

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/canada/article-so-many-bears-draft-pla
n-says-nunavuts-polar-bear-population-is
/

https://globalnews.ca/news/4655426/nunavut-polar-bear-population-clima
te-change
/

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/nov/13/polar-bear-numbers-canad
ian-arctic-inuit-controversial-report


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-6388557/Polar-bears-th
reatening-native-Inuit-populations-warns-controversial-government-report.html


https://nationalpost.com/news/canada/despite-vanishing-sea-ice-canadas
-polar-bears-appear-to-be-hanging-on-in-the-arctic-study-says


https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/north/polar-bear-management-arviat-1.49
04164



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Friday, November 16, 2018 5:59 PM

SIGNYM

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From your first linky

Quote:

Polar bear numbers are so HIGH they threaten native Inuit populations, claims controversial Canadian government report bitterly contested by environmentalists who have made creature the icon of global warming
Polar bears are one of the enduring symbols of the environmental cause
However, a controversial report has claimed their populations are increasing
Report found the growing bear population poses a threat to native population
However, scientists say that climate change has pushed bears closer to humans
Warming has caused ice to melt forcing the creatures to hunt further afield
They dispute government claims that polar bear populations are growing



It's exactly as I said:

Quote:

However, scientists say that climate change has pushed bears closer to humans


We would need a lot more information from the Nunavut government to figure out of the bear population was really increasing or not. For example, did they have estimates of the number of bears on POLAR ICE five, ten, twenty years ago? Do they have CURRENT estimates for bears on polar ice? Or are they simply reacting to the number of bears IN THEIR SHORELINE COMMUNITIES, where polar bears wait for the sea ice to start forming?

It's impossible to tell from the info provided, and not worth concluding on.

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Saturday, November 17, 2018 4:54 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Polar bears are now spending more time on land ... and being seen by humans ... because the polar ice (where they used to spend nearly all of their time) is getting smaller and smaller. There was a whole TV show about this more than 10 years ago about polar bears foraging through Native American garbage dumps when they would normally have gone off across the sea ice to hunt.





Far easier to wander across land to a known site where food is readily available than to swim , search and hunt...


But the myth of drastically smaller ice caps in the Arctic is just that. A myth. It's not real.



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Saturday, November 17, 2018 8:26 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:

But the myth of drastically smaller ice caps in the Arctic is just that. A myth. It's not real.

You lost touch with reality, AURaptor, a long time ago. You missed your point because the minimum ice is in late September, not August. But do you understand? Hell no, you don't. You've been wrong for years. No reason you will ever be right.
https://nsidc.org/arcticseaicenews/2018/09/arctic-sea-ice-extent-arriv
es-at-its-minimum
/

The September satellite photos show what is happening, and it is NOT what AURaptor says is happening:



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Saturday, November 17, 2018 9:56 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by second:
Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
But the myth of drastically smaller ice caps in the Arctic is just that. A myth. It's not real.

You lost touch with reality, AURaptor, a long time ago. You missed your point because the minimum ice is in late September, not August. But do you understand? Hell no, you don't. You've been wrong for years. No reason you will ever be right.
https://nsidc.org/arcticseaicenews/2018/09/arctic-sea-ice-extent-arriv
es-at-its-minimum
/

The September satellite photos show what is happening, and it is NOT what AURaptor says is happening:



You're saying the lowest extant on record was August 2012,
but September 2012 had less extent than the lowest extent?

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Saturday, November 17, 2018 10:11 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Polar sea ice obvious varies over the year, as it melts in summer and refreezes in winter.
It also varies from year to year, since some years (or short series of years) are colder, or warmer, than another year (or short series of years).

So if you want to compare sea ice from year-to-year, you probably should look at it same-time every year ... in this case, in the month of September.

One of the things that the graphic hints at- but doesn't make explicit- is that not only does the surface area shrink, so does the ice THICKNESS.

People who regularly ply the polar waters are actually looking forward to trans-polar routes in the winter, with the help of ice breakers which can NOW break thru the thinner ice.

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Saturday, November 17, 2018 11:07 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Quote:

Originally posted by second:
Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
But the myth of drastically smaller ice caps in the Arctic is just that. A myth. It's not real.

You lost touch with reality, AURaptor, a long time ago. You missed your point because the minimum ice is in late September, not August. But do you understand? Hell no, you don't. You've been wrong for years. No reason you will ever be right.
https://nsidc.org/arcticseaicenews/2018/09/arctic-sea-ice-extent-arriv
es-at-its-minimum
/

The September satellite photos show what is happening, and it is NOT what AURaptor says is happening:



You're saying the lowest extant on record was August 2012,
but September 2012 had less extent than the lowest extent?

And now Siggy is also saying September 2012 had less extent than the lowest
ever extent in recorded history?
Meaning the not-lowest extent has less than the lowest extent?

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Sunday, November 18, 2018 1:09 AM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Polar bears are now spending more time on land ... and being seen by humans ... because the polar ice (where they used to spend nearly all of their time) is getting smaller and smaller. There was a whole TV show about this more than 10 years ago about polar bears foraging through Native American garbage dumps when they would normally have gone off across the sea ice to hunt.

Is this movement of the goalposts?
It seemed that all Global Warmists had universally agreed that the standard for measurement was population of Polar Bears.
Are a splinter group now claiming that population is of no importance, but only how much they avoid Inuits?
Antisociability may be the goal of Global Alarmists, but not sure Polar Bears are on that bus.

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Sunday, November 18, 2018 1:50 AM

SIGNYM

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JSF, one of us is not understanding what the other is posting. I'm just not sure who's in the dark here.

Quote:

Is this movement of the goalposts? It seemed that all Global Warmists had universally agreed that the standard for measurement was population of Polar Bears.
Ok, but WHERE and HOW do you measure the [total] number of polar bears? If twenty years ago the polar bears were on the sea ice and you measured them only on shore, you wouldn't find very many. If twenty years later the sea ice had not yet accumulated enough for polar bears to move off land and you measured them on shore, you'd find a crap-ton. It seems pretty clear to me that you need to be able to make apples-to-apples measurements by measuring all polar bears everywhere, and I'm not sure that was done by the Nunavut government.


Quote:

And now Siggy is also saying September 2012 had less extent than the lowest
ever extent in recorded history? - JSF

No of course not. There are several good ways to present polar ice. You can look at the lowest levels recorded each year, or you can look at the maximum levels recorded each year or you can look at the ice levels at a certain time of year. If you look at the posted graphic, it's pretty clear that OVERALL the amount of ice has reduced since recording began. Just because it's reducing doesn't mean that every year you'll hit a new record low, but (FYI) the second-record low was in 2016, demonstrating that sea ice loss is ongoing.

Irregular Arctic climate reduces sea ice to another record low (2016)
https://news.mongabay.com/2016/10/irregular-arctic-climate-reduces-sea
-ice-to-another-record-low
/







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