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Amazon (dot com not Wondy) Interviews Joss

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Tuesday, August 7, 2007 4:49 AM

DAVESHAYNE


Via Whedonesque an interview with the Josster.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/blog/post/PLNK3NNSANTIMBEUW

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Tuesday, August 7, 2007 7:09 AM

JWHEDONADDICT


Will no longer go to Amazon if I can help it. I'm very much the animal lover and ever since I found out that they sell and refuse to stop selling, dogfighting and cockfighting videos, I refuse to support them.

But thanks for the info.
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Tuesday, August 7, 2007 8:08 AM

DAVESHAYNE


Quote:

Originally posted by jwhedonaddict:
Will no longer go to Amazon if I can help it. I'm very much the animal lover and ever since I found out that they sell and refuse to stop selling, dogfighting and cockfighting videos, I refuse to support them.



You don't have to buy anything; it's just a short streaming audio clip. Up to you I guess but if I never did business with people who disagree with me in any way I'd starve to death naked.

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Tuesday, August 7, 2007 8:13 AM

JWHEDONADDICT


It's not a simple disagreement to me though. Animal cruelty is something I'm very passionately against.

Dogfighting and Cockfighting does not feed or clothe anyone. It fills up pockets of greedy, disgusting neanderthals.

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Tuesday, August 7, 2007 8:19 AM

SISTER


...IMO some of the stuff you hear is not true. There was a concerted campaign a year ago that a certain store chain would not support US soldiers and it was all over the Internet. However, it proved to be false. Not to start an argument, but have you researched this as I am a very strong animal lover as well...work in new media and have never heard of this.

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Tuesday, August 7, 2007 8:30 AM

JWHEDONADDICT


It was in a Humane Society magazine my aunt brought over that was given to her by her cousin. They are not stupid. They know they can't believe anything they read, and so do I. But I kind of have to believe the Humane Society is a legit thing. I heard about this over a month ago. Maybe things have changed since then, I don't know. Anyway, what it said was that of about three companies that were doing things like this (not the same things but similar), Amazon was one of the ones that were supposedly unwilling to stop what they were doing.

I'm not judging those who eat meat and wear leather...I'm only passing judgement on cruelty that's absolutely UNNESSESARY.

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Tuesday, August 7, 2007 8:39 AM

DAVESHAYNE


Quote:

Originally posted by jwhedonaddict:
Dogfighting and Cockfighting does not feed or clothe anyone. It fills up pockets of greedy, disgusting neanderthals.



I agree with you regarding the blood sports but I disagree that Amazon is particularly to blame for their existence. Yes they do sell magazines and videos related to those so called entertainments. They sell a lot of merchandise that supports or condones behaviors I disagree with. Won't stop me from listening to a short interview on their site.

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Tuesday, August 7, 2007 8:39 AM

CAPTAINCOUPI


Sorry to subvert the subject of this thread for a moment or two.

JWA, I'm intersted about this Amazon thing. There are many people here in the UK who would stop using Amazon if it came out that they were selling such rubbish. Do you have any evidence apart from the Humane Society article?

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Tuesday, August 7, 2007 8:43 AM

DAVESHAYNE


Quote:

Originally posted by CaptainCoupi:
Sorry to subvert the subject of this thread for a moment or two.



Oh this thread has been thoroughly hijacked.

Quote:

JWA, I'm intersted about this Amazon thing. There are many people here in the UK who would stop using Amazon if it came out that they were selling such rubbish. Do you have any evidence apart from the Humane Society article?


Amazon (in the US at least) does sell game fighting material. Not sure if the UK variety does.

http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_ss_gw/103-2508551-1265447?initialSearch
=1&url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=cock+fighting&Go.x=9&Go.y=8&Go=Go


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Tuesday, August 7, 2007 8:56 AM

JWHEDONADDICT


I don't believe they're the cause for it's existence either. But I won't support them as long as they support IT by selling it.


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Tuesday, August 7, 2007 9:00 AM

DAVESHAYNE


Quote:

Originally posted by jwhedonaddict:
I don't believe they're the cause for it's existence either. But I won't support them as long as they support IT by selling it.



That's certainly your right.

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Tuesday, August 7, 2007 9:03 AM

JWHEDONADDICT


Captain Coupi: No I do not have any evidence myself, but it's a charity I don't believe would make this up. I haven't gone to Amazon myself to look it up and find out if it's true either because frankly, I don't want to see it anymore than I need to actually see images of animal abuse on the news (i have a particular image of a cat with an arrow through it's body it carried around for at least three days imbedded into my brain from my local news last week).

If someone else wants to look it up that's fine. Let me know how it turns out. Hopefully they stopped it.

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Tuesday, August 7, 2007 9:16 AM

DESKTOPHIPPIE


Looks like it's true.

http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_ss_gw/102-8771311-5482534?initialSearch
=1&url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=dogfighting&Go.x=8&Go.y=15&Go=Go


Guess I'll be getting my Dresden files DVD from Play.com so!

In other news, the Interview with Joss is cool




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Tuesday, August 7, 2007 9:28 AM

CAPTAINCOUPI


OK, enough hijacking. I'm gonna have a look into this myself.

Back to the origian subject... Carry on.

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Tuesday, August 7, 2007 9:29 AM

JWHEDONADDICT


Since it's definitely still happening, I'm definitely done doing business with them until (hopefully) they change their ruthless moneymaking ways.

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Tuesday, August 7, 2007 9:44 AM

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Hey! 2 threads in one - cool!

Dave - thx for the link, interesting interview. The man is just plain laugh out loud funny (though he did sound a might tired). I think maybe the person who was suppose to do the interview was sick and they had to get someone from the mailroom - guy was not exactly a "lit match" if you know what I mean.

And Amazon - sheesh! I had no idea, thx for bringing that to my attention too (other poster). I can't believe they would sell that junk. I really can't believe there's enough of a market for all that junk!
Maybe they're afraid of law suits if they don't? Ok, that's weak, but it just doesn't figure - seems amazingly stupid on their part.

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Tuesday, August 7, 2007 12:38 PM

DAVESHAYNE


Quote:

Originally posted by pizmobeach:
Hey! 2 threads in one - cool!

Dave - thx for the link, interesting interview. The man is just plain laugh out loud funny (though he did sound a might tired). I think maybe the person who was suppose to do the interview was sick and they had to get someone from the mailroom - guy was not exactly a "lit match" if you know what I mean.



I think he was going for "public radio impartial" rather than "morning show huckster". Feels a little flat I suppose but really we aren't listening for the interviewer we're listening to the interviewee.

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Tuesday, August 7, 2007 12:43 PM

TVCHICK


When things get a little quieter around here, I'll take a listen. If I'm feeling all energetic & useful, I may even try to transcript it.

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Wednesday, August 8, 2007 7:24 AM

KOILA


Hi

Thanks for the interview link, I downloaded it and have yet to listen to it.


I am shocked and appalled that Amazon does that. I checked the Canadian site and yes it is there as well for anyone.


I also just got off of the phone with them and this is what they had to say:

"They have a policy of non-sensor ship," we also talked about adult material and said yes some people do get into that kind of material, (not me) but it is consenting adults buying it and it isn't hurting any one. She said very nicely she would pass my concerns on to the management.

This is the toll free number I called:

1-877-586-3230

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Wednesday, August 8, 2007 8:59 AM

JWHEDONADDICT


Wow, it's so great that they're not letting a little thing like supporting cruel, barbaric behavior to animals get in the way of a stand against censorship and oh yeah money...maybe I should give them some of mine after all--NOT!!!

Sorry, Koila, that sarcasm wasn't directed at you, but Amazon's ridiculous attempt at justifying what they do.


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Wednesday, August 8, 2007 9:01 AM

GROTZ


I have to say, I disagree with your action, respectfully. I am not for said thing at all. But I think, that people buying this stuff is the apalling thing, not the sellers.
I believe in freedom, I am a browncoat, and this one of the prizes of freedom. Who is to say what is ok. The alternative is censorship, smells like Alliance to me.
I know it is a fine line, because there must be rules, else soon there will be manhunting dvds sold at amazon.
I have respect for your follow through.
But I will keep trading with Amazon.

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Wednesday, August 8, 2007 9:12 AM

JWHEDONADDICT


Please understand, I am against censorship and an Alliance-like world also, but I do believe a line is being crossed here that should absolutely not be crossed. Case in point: what if it were CHILD porn being sold by Amazon? Actual children being used and abused for adult entertainment? No, am not taking a stand against porn itself (although it does tend to make me ill, I believe, as long as it's consenting adults involved, they should be able to do what they want). Would you feel differently?

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A.V.Club Interviewer: "What can you say about Goners, the horror-fantasy film you're developing?"
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