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Tuesday, November 18, 2014 6:43 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
EC, just got back from watching Interstellar. Yes, watching. I did not get the feeling that I was experiencing a film, more like watching a series of attempts to tell a story. Oh, it started out well, but after a few minutes it started to become somewhat forced, the emotion I mean. By the way, that little girl who played McConahey's daughter was the best thing going for this film, even Chastain, who's usually solid, seemed a bit off, but she was better than most. Kudos to the actors who voiced the robots CASE and TARS.


SGG


Mackenzie Foy. I enjoyed her in Twilight and The Conjuring. She is a Black Belt, watched her take down Jimmy Fallon before seeing the film. Her performance here reminded me of Elle Fanning in Super8.

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Tuesday, November 18, 2014 7:26 PM

MAL4PREZ


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Originally posted by ecgordon:
Now you're arguing about whether a fictional word is spelled correctly even though you knew by the time you posted exactly what the word meant and how it was being used. Talk about gibberish.



LOL! Proof positive --> JSF = Raptard = trollzzzzzzz

Back to real topics: I do plan on seeing Interstellar again in a few weeks. I want to give myself time to forget my first impressions. Then I'll get back to this thread.


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Tuesday, November 18, 2014 7:52 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by ecgordon:
Now you're arguing about whether a fictional word is spelled correctly even though you knew by the time you posted exactly what the word meant and how it was being used. Talk about gibberish.


How in heck does NOT FINDING A WORD that DOES NOT EXIST equate to finding a definition, understanding, and correcting a spelling of a word that does not exist?

I know, I know, you'll say that I'm digging a hole by pointing out your illogic.

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Tuesday, November 18, 2014 8:27 PM

AURAPTOR

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I frelling liked the movie.

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Tuesday, November 18, 2014 10:00 PM

ECGORDON

There's no place I can be since I found Serenity.


I thought it was a frakking mess.



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Wednesday, November 19, 2014 1:52 PM

WISHIMAY


I thought it wasn't the WORST thing I'd seen, nor the BEST. I could have made it better

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Wednesday, November 19, 2014 2:25 PM

ECGORDON

There's no place I can be since I found Serenity.


Just admit it, it's felgercarb!



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Wednesday, November 19, 2014 6:33 PM

MAL4PREZ


Quote:

Originally posted by ecgordon:
Just admit it, it's felgercarb!



From http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=felgercarb

Felgercarb! A space aged swearword, originally from Battlestar Galactica back in the 70's. I've been saying it since about 1980. I bet we hear it in the new Battlestar Galactica movie.

"Oh Felgercarb! I think another one of those singing cylons is on my 6. No wait, that's Lipps, Inc., singing funkytown!"

From http://en.battlestarwiki.org/wiki/Felgercarb_%28TOS%29
(the original series)

Felgercarb is a euphemism for "crap" in the Colonial vernacular. The appeal of the word "felgercarb" would seem to extend across the lines of culture and species, as Lucifer uses the term several times in "The Young Lords."

An alternate spelling is "feldergarb"[1]

From http://en.battlestarwiki.org/wiki/Felgercarb_%28RDM%29
(the new series)

Felgercarb is a brand of toothpaste from Tauron. The last remaining tube of it in the known universe is offered as reward by Starbuck to any flight crew that discovers a habitable planet (Someone to Watch Over Me).

-- just so JSFRap's head doesn't explode, as it is wont to do.

From http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/wont?s=t

wont [wawnt, wohnt, wuhnt]

adjective
1.accustomed; used (usually followed by an infinitive): He was wont to rise at dawn.

noun
2.custom; habit; practice: It was her wont to walk three miles before breakfast.

verb (used with object), wont, wont or wonted, wonting.
3.to accustom (a person), as to a thing: That summer wonted me to a lifetime of early rising.



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Wednesday, November 19, 2014 8:22 PM

SHINYGOODGUY


I appreciate your response: on seeing Interstellar again in a few weeks.

I look forward to your 2nd impression. As for me, I got the same feeling I did when I saw Prometheus in the theater, disappointed. Ridley Scott and Nolan you come to expect high caliber, quality material and a film experience. Story, plot, score, cinematography, acting and pacing all contributing effortlessly to take you on the journey - seamlessly.


SGG


Quote:

Originally posted by MAL4PREZ:
Quote:

Originally posted by ecgordon:
Now you're arguing about whether a fictional word is spelled correctly even though you knew by the time you posted exactly what the word meant and how it was being used. Talk about gibberish.



LOL! Proof positive --> JSF = Raptard = trollzzzzzzz

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Wednesday, November 19, 2014 10:10 PM

SHINYGOODGUY


SPOILERS!!!!


I think of it this way. Kubrick, who is one of the best directors of all time, had his Barry Lyndon (not well received critically or in the box office), and Scott had Prometheus (both Prometheus and Interstellar had questionable scripts), Nolan now has his in Interstellar. He has no one to blame but himself and his brother, both co-script writers.

I would love to ask him about the trip to those planets on the other side of the black hole. Plus we were told about Brand being in love with, I don't remember his name. Does that tell you something? But at the time, I thought is this suppose to influence the trip? What was McConaughey's character's motivation?, to save the world!? Or was it to discover himself? You could almost see the writer's hand in this - "Ok, it's time to feel sorry for Brand" both when Professor Brand died and when we find out that her lover passed.

But there was no set up, which, without, just makes it that much more important to have a tight well written script. The film just lacked that intricately well-written script that serves the story. How can we care about both Brand and Cooper getting together. That ending. Did you think that they were going to end up together? I was, WTF!? To feel emotion, you must create emotion. That's why I was impressed by MacKenzie Foy as Murph, she was the most interesting character in the movie. What was the theme? Not quite sure. Love conquers time and space. Maybe. The bond between father and daughter is special. Another possibility.

But I digress. There just was too much time and too little cohesive story to call this movie a film with heart. Although it tried.


SGG


Quote:

Originally posted by Wishimay:
I thought it wasn't the WORST thing I'd seen, nor the BEST. I could have made it better


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Wednesday, November 19, 2014 10:34 PM

WISHIMAY


Quote:

Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
That ending. I was, WTF!?




I thought about that for a few days and I think most guys, whether or not they were in love/like with Ann's character, would have felt an obligation to "complete the mission." He already blew the timely return, and would have been a man out of place the rest of his life. He HAD to go, I think.




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Wednesday, November 19, 2014 11:38 PM

SHINYGOODGUY


Thanks, I saw that Jimmy Fallon episode, but good pick up on Super 8 and Elle Fanning. That young lady has Jennifer Lawrence type talent at her young age. So I'm with you on that one - both are very talented (performances are seamless).


SGG


Quote:

Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Quote:

Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
EC, just got back from watching Interstellar. Yes, watching. I did not get the feeling that I was experiencing a film, more like watching a series of attempts to tell a story. Oh, it started out well, but after a few minutes it started to become somewhat forced, the emotion I mean. By the way, that little girl who played McConahey's daughter was the best thing going for this film, even Chastain, who's usually solid, seemed a bit off, but she was better than most. Kudos to the actors who voiced the robots CASE and TARS.


SGG


Mackenzie Foy. I enjoyed her in Twilight and The Conjuring. She is a Black Belt, watched her take down Jimmy Fallon before seeing the film. Her performance here reminded me of Elle Fanning in Super8.


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Wednesday, November 19, 2014 11:50 PM

SHINYGOODGUY


Was it hard to take a second viewing SGG?

I only saw it the one time this past weekend. Onward to Hunger Games.


SGG


Quote:

Originally posted by MAL4PREZ:
Quote:

Originally posted by ecgordon:
I went to see it again yesterday, so I guess I'm a masochist.

Last week I would have invited my brother-in-law to see it since he is the only one I know who also likes SF movies, books too. But he and my sister were out of town. Then he calls me and asks if I wanted to go, I told him I had already seen it and wouldn't waste more money on it, but he was paying. I couldn't convince him to see Birdman instead, so I'll see that one later on in the week.

He is usually the one who nitpicks things that I like, and yet he was much more impressed with Interstellar than I was. I still admit it has some great visual set pieces, but the story is woefully thin.



I had some vague plan to see it again so I could cement my opinion, but I really don't think I can handle the length. Was it hard to take a second viewing SGG?

I read an article about how they layered the sound differently than most movies, so I am kind of curious about that. I do recall liking the sound. (Yay for a silent explosion in space!) And those visuals were so good. OK, I might get drawn back into the theater if it stays up for a while.

Or... I could just veer into the theater waaaaay upstairs in the Times Square AMC where Guardians is still playing. It was last week, anyway. Hunger Games might bump it out this weekend.



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Wednesday, November 19, 2014 11:50 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:

Originally posted by ecgordon:

I thought it was a frakking mess.





Ever see 'MOON', with Sam Rockwell ? Didn't get much play, but that was another movie I enjoyed. Not awesome, but well done. And yes, while there were some ... inconsistencies w/ Interstellar, I liked what the movie TRIED to be. It meant well, at least. And I liked the characters.

Sorry if you were less impressed. Maybe we both agree it COULD have been better.

I didn't regret going.

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Thursday, November 20, 2014 1:07 AM

SHINYGOODGUY


I noticed they strongly connect time and gravity, where the gravity singularity is also - or due to - the time singularity, where all time is one, or in the same place. I don't recall other works using this connection in this way - they seemed to stress the time is causing the gravity singularity, thus crushing pressure/gravity is not apparently an issue. Anybody else seen this concept fleshed out in this way before?


Actually no. I thought I was the only one to notice that theory, but I wonder if that's a scientific theory or a movie one. I have not heard of this before this picture. I must say that I could not make the connection, perhaps Nolan bit off more than he could chew on this. I found the theory interesting, but unexplained, at least sufficiently to the understanding of laymen, namely me.

Inception was brilliant because he stated his thesis, explained it so that we could grasp the concept, then went about showing us, all within the realm of the story - pure fantasy that felt so real. Nolan masterfully weaved concept, film and story and made it entertaining to boot. But with Interstellar he failed to present his story in an entertaining and cohesive way. The way in which Cobb convinces his fellow travelers to continue on his journey was truly inspiring to me as a film enthusiast. I did not get that feeling with Cooper as the "hero" of the film.
Maybe I missed something, but I only went for one bathroom break towards the final act of the movie, so I may have misunderstood the "meaning" of Interstellar.


SGG

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Thursday, November 20, 2014 1:19 AM

SHINYGOODGUY


I always heard it as "feldercarb"

Just sayin'


SGG


Quote:

Originally posted by MAL4PREZ:
Quote:

Originally posted by ecgordon:
Just admit it, it's felgercarb!



From http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=felgercarb

Felgercarb! A space aged swearword, originally from Battlestar Galactica back in the 70's. I've been saying it since about 1980. I bet we hear it in the new Battlestar Galactica movie.

"Oh Felgercarb! I think another one of those singing cylons is on my 6. No wait, that's Lipps, Inc., singing funkytown!"

From http://en.battlestarwiki.org/wiki/Felgercarb_%28TOS%29
(the original series)

Felgercarb is a euphemism for "crap" in the Colonial vernacular. The appeal of the word "felgercarb" would seem to extend across the lines of culture and species, as Lucifer uses the term several times in "The Young Lords."

An alternate spelling is "feldergarb"[1]

From http://en.battlestarwiki.org/wiki/Felgercarb_%28RDM%29
(the new series)

Felgercarb is a brand of toothpaste from Tauron. The last remaining tube of it in the known universe is offered as reward by Starbuck to any flight crew that discovers a habitable planet (Someone to Watch Over Me).

-- just so JSFRap's head doesn't explode, as it is wont to do.

From http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/wont?s=t

wont [wawnt, wohnt, wuhnt]

adjective
1.accustomed; used (usually followed by an infinitive): He was wont to rise at dawn.

noun
2.custom; habit; practice: It was her wont to walk three miles before breakfast.

verb (used with object), wont, wont or wonted, wonting.
3.to accustom (a person), as to a thing: That summer wonted me to a lifetime of early rising.



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Thursday, November 20, 2014 6:16 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:

Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
I noticed they strongly connect time and gravity, where the gravity singularity is also - or due to - the time singularity, where all time is one, or in the same place. I don't recall other works using this connection in this way - they seemed to stress the time is causing the gravity singularity, thus crushing pressure/gravity is not apparently an issue. Anybody else seen this concept fleshed out in this way before?


SGG



Saw this the other day...

http://arstechnica.com/science/2014/10/creating-hawking-radiation-in-a
-tabletop-black-hole
/

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Thursday, November 20, 2014 5:52 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
What was the one big paradox remaining?

I noticed they strongly connect time and gravity, where the gravity singularity is also - or due to - the time singularity, where all time is one, or in the same place. I don't recall other works using this connection in this way - they seemed to stress the time is causing the gravity singularity, thus crushing pressure/gravity is not apparently an issue. Anybody else seen this concept fleshed out in this way before?



SGG may have inadvertently implied this as his post, instead of mine from 13 November.

I had thought most space-time theories included gravity as an integral factor. I just had not seen film show the relationship so much as here, and I felt the assumed cause-effect relationship was reversed for Interstellar.

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Thursday, November 20, 2014 5:55 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
Thanks, I saw that Jimmy Fallon episode, but good pick up on Super 8 and Elle Fanning. That young lady has Jennifer Lawrence type talent at her young age. So I'm with you on that one - both are very talented (performances are seamless).


SGG


I felt that Chloe Grace Morentz stole the show in Kick Ass, but it was of different quality than Elle (Super 8) and Mackenzie (Interstellar).

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Friday, November 21, 2014 3:34 AM

SHINYGOODGUY


Yes, that's what happened. I forgot to put your name under your quote when answering. Mea Culpa!

Space-Time continuum in both movies and TV have, in my travels, always been about time, speed of light, that sort of thing (which they spoke about in Interstellar), but this was the first time I heard mention of gravity being included (well, gravity in a black hole has been mentioned as so dense that it could rip a ship apart) but as part of the equation of time travel, not so much.

That's my experience, but you guys my have come across it in your experience in film.


SGG


Quote:

Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Quote:

Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
What was the one big paradox remaining?

I noticed they strongly connect time and gravity, where the gravity singularity is also - or due to - the time singularity, where all time is one, or in the same place. I don't recall other works using this connection in this way - they seemed to stress the time is causing the gravity singularity, thus crushing pressure/gravity is not apparently an issue. Anybody else seen this concept fleshed out in this way before?



SGG may have inadvertently implied this as his post, instead of mine from 13 November.

I had thought most space-time theories included gravity as an integral factor. I just had not seen film show the relationship so much as here, and I felt the assumed cause-effect relationship was reversed for Interstellar.


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Friday, November 21, 2014 3:45 AM

SHINYGOODGUY


It is my belief that Elle Fanning will win an Oscar in her lifetime, she's that good. But I agree that Chloe stole Kick-Ass without breaking a sweat, and this with Nick Cage doing a HI-larious Adam West impression - that's talent.

My fav scene was when the baddies had Big Daddy and Kick-Ass tied up and she comes to the rescue. The moment she wraps her cape around his burning body, you could sense her emotion at losing her mentor, but more importantly her dad. She stopped momentarily and through her mask you could sense her grief for all of a few seconds, then his tough little girl carried on. That was such a poignant scene for both Chloe/Hit-Girl, and it was not easy to carry off after all that action. It is very subtle, but it was there nonetheless.

I'm not sure when, but she has the potential, like Elle, to win an Oscar, with the right role and director. I get the feeling that Elle would have an easier time of it. MacKenzie Foy though, gotta watch her. I loved her in this movie.


SGG


Quote:

Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Quote:

Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
Thanks, I saw that Jimmy Fallon episode, but good pick up on Super 8 and Elle Fanning. That young lady has Jennifer Lawrence type talent at her young age. So I'm with you on that one - both are very talented (performances are seamless).


SGG


I felt that Chloe Grace Morentz stole the show in Kick Ass, but it was of different quality than Elle (Super 8) and Mackenzie (Interstellar).


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Friday, November 21, 2014 5:30 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Saw the Craig Ferguson Show last night with Matthew McConaughey. Was taped 2 weeks ago, right after the Marion Cottilard show. Matthew carried over some jokes from the prior show, and yes, he did interrupt the impersonation of him, and played with it.
But the clip they played was of Prof trying to convince him to pilot the spacecraft. He says "Professor, I've got kids" and Professor replies "Well then go up there and save them."
I did not give that line the full measure the first 2 times I saw it in cinema, but it really does create a greater dawning. I suppose Caine under-delivered it, intentionally.
Alone, it was hard to envision that as the summary of the whole film.


Quote:

Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
It is my belief that Elle Fanning will win an Oscar in her lifetime, she's that good. But I agree that Chloe stole Kick-Ass without breaking a sweat, and this with Nick Cage doing a HI-larious Adam West impression - that's talent.

My fav scene was when the baddies had Big Daddy and Kick-Ass tied up and she comes to the rescue. The moment she wraps her cape around his burning body, you could sense her emotion at losing her mentor, but more importantly her dad. She stopped momentarily and through her mask you could sense her grief for all of a few seconds, then his tough little girl carried on. That was such a poignant scene for both Chloe/Hit-Girl, and it was not easy to carry off after all that action. It is very subtle, but it was there nonetheless.

SGG


I can still watch the Red Band trailer with Hit Girl, repeatedly. Never only once.

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Monday, November 24, 2014 12:46 AM

SECOND

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two




The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Monday, November 24, 2014 8:13 AM

AURAPTOR

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Alright, NOW I understand it.

Thanks for posting.


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Monday, November 24, 2014 10:33 AM

ZEEK


Quote:

Originally posted by MAL4PREZ:
blah blah childish bickering

Anyhow...

The big plot hole: How did humans escape their dead Earth the first time around? If humans hadn't gone through the wormhole because no humans had yet gone through it and been able to send their BDH Matthew M into the blackhole and so do all the science that let them get to the wormhole and survive long enough to, in the far future, create the wormhole...

How was the wormhole there the first time through the timeline?

Major plot fail there. Really big. You didn't see it JSF?

Moron.

I have fan-wank solutions, but I won't share quite yet.



SPOILERS BELOW

SERIOUSLY SPOILERS I WARNED YOU


First, Cooper was guessing that humans made the time construct thing that allowed him to communicate with Murphy. Second, even if he's right it's not a plot hole. They clearly showed Dr. Brand took the fertilized eggs and started a colony. It's not much of a stretch to imagine those people would hear stories from Dr. Brand about Earth and the mission that led to the founding of their colony. If they some day figured out a way to intervene and help save Earth it would make sense that they'd take action.


It's a much bigger plot hole that a watch somehow was programmed to repeat what must have been an incredibly long morse code message just by pushing the second hand. Watches don't work that way and I imagine it would be about as difficult as creating a wormhole for us to create an analog watch that size that could repeat such a long message.

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Monday, November 24, 2014 11:28 AM

SECOND

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two


Quote:

Originally posted by Zeek:

It's a much bigger plot hole that a watch somehow was programmed to repeat what must have been an incredibly long morse code message just by pushing the second hand. Watches don't work that way and I imagine it would be about as difficult as creating a wormhole for us to create an analog watch that size that could repeat such a long message.

The usual way scriptwriters handle statements like "watches don't work that way" is to claim "watches in the future do work that way." And the plot hole is closed tight again.

The next thing you will be questioning is the feasibility of Doctor Who's telepathically controlled sonic screwdriver. The screwdriver and the Interstellar wristwatch serve the same purpose: move the story forward, fast as possible. It is "feasible tech" only because the audience will accept it. Scriptwriters depend on audiences that will believe anything (and I do mean anything) that looks realistic on the screen.

The story didn't need a magical watch. Cooper could have personally carried the watch's message back to Murphy when she was 40 (the Nolan Brothers' tesseract can do anything), but that would have screwed up Cooper arriving when Murphy was 120 years old. The Nolan Brothers did think their movie needed a tearful deathbed reunion of father and daughter. So . . . the Magical Watch was written into the screenplay.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Monday, November 24, 2014 3:21 PM

MAL4PREZ


Quote:

Originally posted by Zeek:

SPOILERS BELOW

SERIOUSLY SPOILERS I WARNED YOU


First, Cooper was guessing that humans made the time construct thing that allowed him to communicate with Murphy. Second, even if he's right it's not a plot hole. They clearly showed Dr. Brand took the fertilized eggs and started a colony. It's not much of a stretch to imagine those people would hear stories from Dr. Brand about Earth and the mission that led to the founding of their colony. If they some day figured out a way to intervene and help save Earth it would make sense that they'd take action.



Hole not filled. Maybe you don't understand what I was saying, which isn't surprising because it's hard to explain clearly. (The previous not meant in a bitchy way.) The wormhole must exist first. Without it, the eggs have never gone to the colony. They can't have grown into future humans. So they don't exist to create the wormhole.

There has to be a source for the wormhole that does not depend on the existence of the wormhole. There is no other way.

A better wank, though it ruins much plot, is that a batch of eggs (or regular old humans) is sent out on a sub-light speed ship. In the many many millennia it takes them to reach the black hole, they evolve into Uber-Einstein's and so are able to build the wormhole. They sit back and watch their ancestors come through (Hi mom and dad!) and help our hero reach out to his daughter through the mega-info sharing watch (I agree, weak plot there). I like this, that a separate branch of humans have essentially become Gods to us.

It takes away the plot twist of daddy scientist (I've forgotten all the names) secretly carrying out plan B, but the movie could have been improved by having less plot.

Anyway, a big question for me while watching the movie was: who threw us poor humans the life-line in the form of the worm hole? My interpretation of the answer was: "We sent the lifeline to ourselves via our hero and his love for his daughter..." though I could be wrong. (Haven't watched the video above yet.)

If that really is the plot, then blech. Too Hollywood. Not logical. Big fail for a movie claiming to be all science-y.


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Monday, November 24, 2014 5:38 PM

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Big fail for a movie claiming to be all science-y.


Exactly. I wouldn't be so hard on the film except for the fact that Nolan and company had been promoting it as realistic hard science fiction, and then it turns out to be nothing more than a high-budget remake of The Black Hole.



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Tuesday, November 25, 2014 11:22 AM

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First, Cooper was guessing that humans made the time construct thing that allowed him to communicate with Murphy. Second, even if he's right it's not a plot hole. They clearly showed Dr. Brand took the fertilized eggs and started a colony. It's not much of a stretch to imagine those people would hear stories from Dr. Brand about Earth and the mission that led to the founding of their colony. If they some day figured out a way to intervene and help save Earth it would make sense that they'd take action.



Hole not filled. Maybe you don't understand what I was saying, which isn't surprising because it's hard to explain clearly. (The previous not meant in a bitchy way.) The wormhole must exist first. Without it, the eggs have never gone to the colony. They can't have grown into future humans. So they don't exist to create the wormhole.

There has to be a source for the wormhole that does not depend on the existence of the wormhole. There is no other way.

A better wank, though it ruins much plot, is that a batch of eggs (or regular old humans) is sent out on a sub-light speed ship. In the many many millennia it takes them to reach the black hole, they evolve into Uber-Einstein's and so are able to build the wormhole. They sit back and watch their ancestors come through (Hi mom and dad!) and help our hero reach out to his daughter through the mega-info sharing watch (I agree, weak plot there). I like this, that a separate branch of humans have essentially become Gods to us.

It takes away the plot twist of daddy scientist (I've forgotten all the names) secretly carrying out plan B, but the movie could have been improved by having less plot.

Anyway, a big question for me while watching the movie was: who threw us poor humans the life-line in the form of the worm hole? My interpretation of the answer was: "We sent the lifeline to ourselves via our hero and his love for his daughter..." though I could be wrong. (Haven't watched the video above yet.)

If that really is the plot, then blech. Too Hollywood. Not logical. Big fail for a movie claiming to be all science-y.


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I assume you mean the magic blackhole construct thingamabob had to exist first because that's how Cooper ended up on the mission. I sorta wank that away by thinking he still could have ended up on the mission by different means in an alternate "first" timeline. I mean we already know professor Brand knows him and thinks highly of his piloting skills. Maybe he seeks Cooper out the first time.

I think the "real" explanation is that "they" are 5 dimensional beings and all time happens at once for them. There is no causality in 5 dimensional space. So, there's no paradox of how something happened before something else.

Not that I buy that. Our world does have causality. Those 5 dimensional beings had to come from somewhere. I think the best most logical explanation is that Cooper was just wrong. Humans didn't create the black hole whatsit. It was aliens and they kicked off events in the initial timeline that got Cooper on the mission. Then he changed the timeline when he got into the blackhole.

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Tuesday, November 25, 2014 7:10 PM

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First, Cooper was guessing that humans made the time construct thing that allowed him to communicate with Murphy. Second, even if he's right it's not a plot hole. They clearly showed Dr. Brand took the fertilized eggs and started a colony. It's not much of a stretch to imagine those people would hear stories from Dr. Brand about Earth and the mission that led to the founding of their colony. If they some day figured out a way to intervene and help save Earth it would make sense that they'd take action.



Hole not filled. Maybe you don't understand what I was saying, which isn't surprising because it's hard to explain clearly. (The previous not meant in a bitchy way.) The wormhole must exist first. Without it, the eggs have never gone to the colony. They can't have grown into future humans. So they don't exist to create the wormhole.

There has to be a source for the wormhole that does not depend on the existence of the wormhole. There is no other way.

A better wank, though it ruins much plot, is that a batch of eggs (or regular old humans) is sent out on a sub-light speed ship. In the many many millennia it takes them to reach the black hole, they evolve into Uber-Einstein's and so are able to build the wormhole. They sit back and watch their ancestors come through (Hi mom and dad!) and help our hero reach out to his daughter through the mega-info sharing watch (I agree, weak plot there). I like this, that a separate branch of humans have essentially become Gods to us.

It takes away the plot twist of daddy scientist (I've forgotten all the names) secretly carrying out plan B, but the movie could have been improved by having less plot.

Anyway, a big question for me while watching the movie was: who threw us poor humans the life-line in the form of the worm hole? My interpretation of the answer was: "We sent the lifeline to ourselves via our hero and his love for his daughter..." though I could be wrong. (Haven't watched the video above yet.)

If that really is the plot, then blech. Too Hollywood. Not logical. Big fail for a movie claiming to be all science-y.


I assume you mean the magic blackhole construct thingamabob had to exist first because that's how Cooper ended up on the mission. I sorta wank that away by thinking he still could have ended up on the mission by different means in an alternate "first" timeline. I mean we already know professor Brand knows him and thinks highly of his piloting skills. Maybe he seeks Cooper out the first time.

I think the "real" explanation is that "they" are 5 dimensional beings and all time happens at once for them. There is no causality in 5 dimensional space. So, there's no paradox of how something happened before something else.

Not that I buy that. Our world does have causality. Those 5 dimensional beings had to come from somewhere. I think the best most logical explanation is that Cooper was just wrong. Humans didn't create the black hole whatsit. It was aliens and they kicked off events in the initial timeline that got Cooper on the mission. Then he changed the timeline when he got into the blackhole.


When humans travel to other systems, other worlds, where are these aliens?


As an aside, does anybody think that those seeded and raised on Edmond's planet would be "aliens" to us?

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Wednesday, November 26, 2014 10:51 AM

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When humans travel to other systems, other worlds, where are these aliens?


As an aside, does anybody think that those seeded and raised on Edmond's planet would be "aliens" to us?



In my fanwank it would happen a long long time in the future. Murphy's satellite environment things would begin to spread farther and farther into the universe and eventually end up encountering aliens.

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Wednesday, November 26, 2014 6:07 PM

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When humans travel to other systems, other worlds, where are these aliens?


As an aside, does anybody think that those seeded and raised on Edmond's planet would be "aliens" to us?



In my fanwank it would happen a long long time in the future. Murphy's satellite environment things would begin to spread farther and farther into the universe and eventually end up encountering aliens.


So the aliens create the black hole now, and then hide for centuries?

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Friday, November 28, 2014 11:32 AM

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When humans travel to other systems, other worlds, where are these aliens?

Clearly they are no where, because they don't exist in the movie's plot. ;)

In my wank, I imagine them having lived on one of the several other possibly habitable worlds the movie didn't visit. Or maybe they even lived on the tidal ocean world, but our hero doesn't see them because they haven't landed yet. Think about it! They get there the slow way, then get smart and figure out how to get their ancestors there quickly, by sending a wormhole back in time.

Hmm. So maybe after the rescued humans get out there, they'll continue their civilization for a bazillion years until their timeline catches up with my fanwank early escape from Earth...

There are paradoxes with this, but for me it's a far more interesting twist of the timeline than the heavy-handed uber-emotional crap the movie went with. I mean, really. The inner structure of a BH and survival of the human race is completely centered on one man's love for his daughter?

Hollywood. P-shah.


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I found this to be another plot fail, or maybe I misunderstood the ending. I thought that our hero saw his elderly daughter, then headed back out for a reunion with Anne Hathaway and all the eggs. I got the idea she was waiting for them all to arrive. But is she not time shifted at all? And why does our hero get 2 minutes with the daughter he bent space and time for, then suddenly it's like - oh well. Done with that. Blah. Guess he's more into a loving reunion with the astronaut who loved another man we know nothing about.

More Hollywood.

Although, I freely admit I could be completely misunderstanding it. I will see the movie again eventually and see if I can make progress.


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Friday, November 28, 2014 4:48 PM

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More Hollywood.

Although, I freely admit I could be completely misunderstanding it.

Hollywood is easy to understand.

This scene is pure Hollywood: "What happens when Dr Mann opens the airlock?" Cooper asks. TARS the robot answers, "Nothing good." What the hell! A real astronaut Cooper would have commanded TARS to amplify that, something like: "Tell me more or I'll rip your arm off and beat you to death with it." But . . .

Cooper didn't give the order because TARS's answer would destroy the movie's suspense about what happens next to the evil Dr Mann. Cooper is not acting like a real astronaut with a working brain. He is always the Nolan Brothers' puppet. The Nolans want Cooper to get out of the way so that Dr Mann can monologue himself to death about his duty to all Mann-kind, then step on the booby-trap and kill himself, ridding the movie of an annoyingly sanctimonious character.

In the next scene, TARS says "It's not possible." Cooper says "No, it's necessary." That's definitely a Nolan Brothers Hollywood moment. It's their movie. They can do the impossible. They are mighty.

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Friday, November 28, 2014 5:32 PM

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More Hollywood.

Although, I freely admit I could be completely misunderstanding it.

Hollywood is easy to understand.

This scene is pure Hollywood: "What happens when Dr Mann opens the airlock?" Cooper asks. TARS the robot answers, "Nothing good." What the hell! A real astronaut Cooper would have commanded TARS to amplify that, something like: "Tell me more or I'll rip your arm off and beat you to death with it." But . . .

Cooper didn't give the order because TARS's answer would destroy the movie's suspense about what happens next to the evil Dr Mann. Cooper is not acting like a real astronaut with a working brain. He is always the Nolan Brothers' puppet. The Nolans want Cooper to get out of the way so that Dr Mann can monologue himself to death about his duty to all Mann-kind, then step on the booby-trap and kill himself, ridding the movie of an annoyingly sanctimonious character.

In the next scene, TARS says "It's not possible." Cooper says "No, it's necessary." That's definitely a Nolan Brothers Hollywood moment. It's their movie. They can do the impossible. They are mighty.


Much of that could be attributed to a recalibration of TARS's interaction settings.

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Saturday, December 6, 2014 8:38 AM

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Interstellar paints its picture of a doomed Earth but never explains why super-physicists can save us by evicting us into space but super-biologists are powerless to save us on Earth. If it is possible, as the film’s ending posits, to create majestically perfect space colonies through the wonder of physics controlling gravity, why is it impossible to build (sealed) terrestrial colonies upon the Earth? Because frankly, being in space changes nothing here: if you can’t build sustainable self-contained colonies on the Earth's surface, you’re not going to be able to build them in space either.

This goes double for Firefly. If it was possible to build living space for a billion people on starships that go on century long voyages, why was it not possible to build sealed living space on old Earth?

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Saturday, December 6, 2014 2:57 PM

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If they had said the sun was burning out, that might take away from the message of man needing to , in OUR time, get the hell off this rock.

There are all manner of scenarios where we'd need to get out of here. Many might say 'global warming' is the most obvious, but to avoid the predictable nonsense which would erupt if this were tagged with some AlGore like ' The Day After Tomorrow ' crap, seems they chose to go a more obscure route.

I think they did the best the could to stick w/ the underlying theme of the movie, and not involve the politics of the day.

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Saturday, December 6, 2014 4:21 PM

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There are all manner of scenarios where we'd need to get out of here. . . .

I think they did the best they could to stick w/ the underlying theme of the movie, and not involve the politics of the day.

There is a simple and straightforward way to avoid all politics and have an interesting story that does not destroy life on Earth in the process.

I think the Nolan Brothers should have ditched the idea that secretly NASA is going Interstellar. It should not be a secret, but no sane & trustworthy pilots want to go on what has, repeatedly, been a suicide mission for other astronauts. NASA comes to Cooper, asking him to be the next pilot. NASA keeps that secret because the public hates it when NASA kills astronauts. Look to the two space shuttle crashes for an example of how the public reacts.

Nobody in his family wants Cooper to go, certainly not Murphy, not Cooper's son, not Grandpa. Only Cooper wants to go and he abandons his family, who never expect to see him again. But . . . Cooper returns with the most amazing story. And anti-gravity.

Cooper and TARS the robot still could have fallen into a black hole. Cooper still could have sent Morse Code to Murphy about anti-gravity. Cooper still could have stolen a spaceship at the end to go live with Anne Hathaway instead of Cooper's boring family.

Cooper could have acted as a real astronaut, without the Nolan Brothers adding a villain, Dr Mann the murderer and spaceship thief, to the story. Or a two miles high tsunami on a planet with a two feet deep ocean.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Saturday, December 6, 2014 4:43 PM

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Nobody in his family wants Cooper to go, certainly not Murphy, not Cooper's son, not Grandpa. Only Cooper wants to go and he abandons his family, who never expect to see him again. But . . . Cooper returns with the most amazing story. And anti-gravity.



The underlying theme that he had to go, and was willing to sacrifice it all, to save his family is what they were going for, obviously. He never wanted to 'abandon' them, but he did want them to survive. Even if he wasn't there to see them.

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Cooper and TARS the robot still could have fallen into a black hole. Cooper still could have sent Morse Code to Murphy about anti-gravity. Cooper still could have stolen a spaceship at the end to go live with Anne Hathaway instead of Cooper's boring family.

Cooper could have acted as a real astronaut, without the Nolan Brothers adding a villain, Dr Mann the murderer and spaceship thief, to the story. Or a two miles high tsunami on a planet with a two feet deep ocean.



Fully agree on the murderous part. Mankind is facing extinction, and all this dick head can think of is a safe boat home, while killing a fellow man , so he can make it back to...what ? A dying planet ? Makes less and less sense the more I think about it.

And the waves were fine. I just wish they weren't all wading around in the shallows. I think the directors took a short cut on that one.

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Interstellar paints its picture of a doomed Earth but never explains why super-physicists can save us by evicting us into space but super-biologists are powerless to save us on Earth. If it is possible, as the film’s ending posits, to create majestically perfect space colonies through the wonder of physics controlling gravity, why is it impossible to build (sealed) terrestrial colonies upon the Earth? Because frankly, being in space changes nothing here: if you can’t build sustainable self-contained colonies on the Earth's surface, you’re not going to be able to build them in space either.


Incorrect. The difference is simple, and presented in the film. The Morons of Earth who rule have made it impossible to save us. Instead of using science to save us, they follow junk science of the likes of algore. The Ruling Morons of Earth have brainwashed everybody to think space travel is not possible, and any attempts to use scientific solutions are "a waste of funds" like the moon missions. In Space, under NASA guidelines, the rulers are not navel-gazing stoners but scientists and engineers who do have a science-based solution, which would be rejected by the likes of algore, Obammy, other liberals in favor of the non-science but feel-good actions. Earth is ruled by Morons. Space, Science, and NASA are not. Yes, they are not honest with Cooper, or Brand, but they are not as stupid as the rulers of Earth.
Some have mentioned the Star Trek solution of Genesis - but seem to forget that that "solution" destroys every single form of life on the planet as it transforms it. That means that to use it on Earth would eradicate humankind from existence. Quite a genius solution, there.

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This goes double for Firefly. If it was possible to build living space for a billion people on starships that go on century long voyages, why was it not possible to build sealed living space on old Earth?




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There are all manner of scenarios where we'd need to get out of here. . . .

I think they did the best they could to stick w/ the underlying theme of the movie, and not involve the politics of the day.

There is a simple and straightforward way to avoid all politics and have an interesting story that does not destroy life on Earth in the process.

I think the Nolan Brothers should have ditched the idea that secretly NASA is going Interstellar. It should not be a secret, but no sane & trustworthy pilots want to go on what has, repeatedly, been a suicide mission for other astronauts. NASA comes to Cooper, asking him to be the next pilot. NASA keeps that secret because the public hates it when NASA kills astronauts.


Incorrect. It is the morons of revisionist history who have brainwashed everybody to believe that man has never left the surface of the Earth, man never went to the Moon. NASA is keeping the secret so the mission can be accomplished.
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Nobody in his family wants Cooper to go, certainly not Murphy, not Cooper's son, not Grandpa. Only Cooper wants to go and he abandons his family, who never expect to see him again. But . . . Cooper returns with the most amazing story. And anti-gravity.


Or a two miles high tsunami on a planet with a two feet deep ocean.


There was no tsunami. That was tide. On earth, tides exist even on shallow water bodies. Check out the Mackinaw Straits. Tides are caused by the gravitational pull of our miniscule Moon. Being next to a singularity, tides will obviously be of vastly greater magnitude.

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Saturday, December 6, 2014 7:17 PM

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The underlying theme that he had to go, and was willing to sacrifice it all, to save his family is what they were going for, obviously. He never wanted to 'abandon' them, but he did want them to survive. Even if he wasn't there to see them.

There are serious problems with that "theme". See "Interstellar as Self-Defeating Allegory" http://onlyagame.typepad.com/only_a_game/2014/12/interstellar-as-self-
defeating-allegory.html


In history, thousands of explorers have gone across oceans and died on the other side. Their search for glory and gold justified leaving their families. But the Nolan Brothers think their movie needed much more. That's Hollywood! It needed to END OF THE WORLD so that Cooper can justify his exploring. The Nolans ought not to write the end of the world into their screenplay until they have a specific idea how it ends.

The script could have stayed realistic by having Cooper be one more explorer risking death in the long, long history of mankind. Then there could be some worthwhile drama between Cooper and Murphy. She wants her Daddy to stay and he feels guilty going away to satisfy his curiosity about an alien wormhole.

Cooper's choice is either plow the dirt or go Interstellar. He oughta pick based on what he wants, not that the World's End makes for only one choice – go to the stars to save Murph. And when Cooper sends Murph the secret of anti-gravity that's more than enough for one trip.

That Murph's anti-gravity equation will save the world is too much more. It would be enough if Cooper returns to find Murphy Cooper Station orbiting Saturn.

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Sunday, December 7, 2014 12:34 AM

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This movie was a bit sloppy in it's presentation, Nolan tried to infuse the story with the emotional journey of the father/daughter relationship, throwing into the deep end to see if it would swim. The experiment failed.

To me, generally, it's good when the movie makes your mind wonder and wander a bit of field. Meaning that a good story invokes strong feelings for the characters, that one could easily imagine plots and subplots but ultimately get back to the story at hand - the way a good book does. But this is brief and usually serves the present story. I totally get what you're saying, but the story was so convoluted that it was hard to keep focus on the theme. Each scene should feed the next and build upon itself until we bond with the theme, then, well, sums it all up.

For example, the theme is the house and each brick leads us to the conclusion, in this case that love is the mortar that holds the house together, and we, humans that is, built the original house we are exploring. Nolan got heavily into the human condition and made a serious attempt at combining it with science, but somehow got caught up in the minutiae of both without making the connection and how they affect one another. It was a mess. You correctly point out Anne Hathaway's character had a love interest that we're supposed to believe she loved deeply, but it was thrown in there in a matter-of-fact kind of way. How are we to care with no set up?

It just doesn't work. There was also no set up between Cooper and Hathaway (notice I don't remember her character's name) for us to care at the end that Cooper returns to be with her. Seriously, we're to believe that! The one set up that seemed to work was that of Cooper and Murph (I kind of drew a parallel between Cooper and Murph with The Professor and Hathaway. Did you get that too?) The other scene that had me scratching my head was the one with Matt Damon. What was that?

As an aside, I read online somewhere that Spielberg was initially involved in this project years ago, but it didn't pan out. Anyway, there were some good moments - that young actress (MacKenzie) was the best thing going for this movie, I believed her - but the rest felt pieced together. As though they said, "Hey, let's give Anne a love interest" "Say, that sounds good. That'll tug their heartstrings."

Nolan's writing in Inception was so masterful that this pales in comparison. Maybe that isn't fair, but I expected more from Nolan.


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When humans travel to other systems, other worlds, where are these aliens?

Clearly they are no where, because they don't exist in the movie's plot. ;)

In my wank, I imagine them having lived on one of the several other possibly habitable worlds the movie didn't visit. Or maybe they even lived on the tidal ocean world, but our hero doesn't see them because they haven't landed yet. Think about it! They get there the slow way, then get smart and figure out how to get their ancestors there quickly, by sending a wormhole back in time.

Hmm. So maybe after the rescued humans get out there, they'll continue their civilization for a bazillion years until their timeline catches up with my fanwank early escape from Earth...

There are paradoxes with this, but for me it's a far more interesting twist of the timeline than the heavy-handed uber-emotional crap the movie went with. I mean, really. The inner structure of a BH and survival of the human race is completely centered on one man's love for his daughter?

Hollywood. P-shah.


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As an aside, does anybody think that those seeded and raised on Edmond's planet would be "aliens" to us?
I found this to be another plot fail, or maybe I misunderstood the ending. I thought that our hero saw his elderly daughter, then headed back out for a reunion with Anne Hathaway and all the eggs. I got the idea she was waiting for them all to arrive. But is she not time shifted at all? And why does our hero get 2 minutes with the daughter he bent space and time for, then suddenly it's like - oh well. Done with that. Blah. Guess he's more into a loving reunion with the astronaut who loved another man we know nothing about.

More Hollywood.

Although, I freely admit I could be completely misunderstanding it. I will see the movie again eventually and see if I can make progress.


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When humans travel to other systems, other worlds, where are these aliens?


As an aside, does anybody think that those seeded and raised on Edmond's planet would be "aliens" to us?



In my fanwank it would happen a long long time in the future. Murphy's satellite environment things would begin to spread farther and farther into the universe and eventually end up encountering aliens.


So the aliens create the black hole now, and then hide for centuries?


Pretty much. If they didn't initiate first contact it's reasonable to believe that they have no intention of doing so.

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When humans travel to other systems, other worlds, where are these aliens?


As an aside, does anybody think that those seeded and raised on Edmond's planet would be "aliens" to us?



In my fanwank it would happen a long long time in the future. Murphy's satellite environment things would begin to spread farther and farther into the universe and eventually end up encountering aliens.


So the aliens create the black hole now, and then hide for centuries?


Pretty much. If they didn't initiate first contact it's reasonable to believe that they have no intention of doing so.


Illogical. The premise put forth is that the aliens DO INITIATE FIRST CONTACT by creating the black hole before anything else happens.

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Monday, December 8, 2014 8:21 PM

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The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two


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Illogical. The premise put forth is that the aliens DO INITIATE FIRST CONTACT by creating the black hole before anything else happens.

Are they Vulcan? Spock should logically attach a note to the wormhole telling Earthlings which planet is habitable on the far side of the wormhole. That would be really helpful when Earth is desperate for help.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Tuesday, December 9, 2014 10:33 AM

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Pretty much. If they didn't initiate first contact it's reasonable to believe that they have no intention of doing so.


Illogical. The premise put forth is that the aliens DO INITIATE FIRST CONTACT by creating the black hole before anything else happens.



I disagree. Putting something somewhere is not the same as first contact. Otherwise we've initiated first contact with every alien race that ever finds space junk that we made. It's a little different because in this case it's assumed they wanted us to find it, but it's far from communication. They are merely leaving us a means to an end. That doesn't mean they want to sit down and swap stories over coffee.

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Tuesday, December 9, 2014 7:02 PM

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*snip*

Pretty much. If they didn't initiate first contact it's reasonable to believe that they have no intention of doing so.


Illogical. The premise put forth is that the aliens DO INITIATE FIRST CONTACT by creating the black hole before anything else happens.



I disagree. Putting something somewhere is not the same as first contact. Otherwise we've initiated first contact with every alien race that ever finds space junk that we made. It's a little different because in this case it's assumed they wanted us to find it, but it's far from communication. They are merely leaving us a means to an end. That doesn't mean they want to sit down and swap stories over coffee.


Wow. That is waaaaay beyond a stretch.

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Tuesday, October 25, 2016 11:41 AM

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The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two


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- for some reason I have become less critical of movies in general. Not sure why or when it happened. I think it finally dawned on me that I will never make a film so who am I to criticize? Sometimes I'm just grateful that we have people like Nolan taking these chances and risking utter public failure. That's just me though.

Behind Interstellar's mythos of “Flee the Planet” lies a more general mythos of “Science as Salvation”. But the sciences are utterly powerless to provide salvation in Interstellar because its entire premise is based upon aid from unknown beings that McConaughey’s character insists (with a total absence of evidence) are five-dimensional future descendants of humanity. McConaughey ought to have simply called them Gods.

These Gods open the wormhole and construct the tesseract that are the necessary plot devices for saving all of humankind in the story. This actually doesn’t make a lick of sense if you examine it too closely, but setting this aside the whole “Science as salvation” mythos fails if what actually saves you is a deus ex machina, or rather homo ex machina since we are supposed to believe that future descendants of humanity are the godlike aliens in this story.

The film rekindles interest in space travel by suggesting that we’ll need to escape the planet to live after we kill the Earth. It contradicts its own intentions by making such an outcome impossible without a faith in superpowered future post-humans manipulating events like the Greek Gods lowered by a crane into the theatre that gave us the god-in-the-machine metaphor in the first place.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Tuesday, October 25, 2016 6:25 PM

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There's no place I can be since I found Serenity.


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So get some wine and watch it again.


I'd pass out from the amount of wine it would take to get me to watch this a third time.



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Tuesday, October 25, 2016 10:33 PM

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2nd, your contradiction iz based on the idea uv an isolated single time-line universe. Sientists are starting to take the idea uv a multiverse seriously.

Its been a wile sins I watched the movie, but the only objection I recall having wuz that it took a big multistaje rocket to get off Earth, but then the spaseship and lander seem to hav limitless enerjy in spite uv the dialog. Az I recall, the tidal wave world had 1.5x Earth gravity, but the lander took off and escaped anyway.

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