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Edge of Tomorrow
Monday, August 4, 2014 5:12 PM
JEWELSTAITEFAN
Monday, August 4, 2014 7:07 PM
Monday, August 4, 2014 9:29 PM
Quote:Originally posted by MAL4PREZ: Has no one else gone to see this? Hey, I'm in large part overjoyed at the poor ratings because I want to see the Cult Man's movie returns go to crap as a message of what the USA thinks of his cult way of living. FAIL you Scientology freak LOL! Get a real life before you try selling us a movie! And yet... The goodness of this movie is not the the lead actor cult freak with the nice hair. I'm sad to say that anyone who avoids this movie based on Tom Cruise disgust is really missing something worthwhile, something created by a whole bunch of non-cult folks who deserve recognition. If only they had cast it differently, I would love this movie all out. *sigh* *-------------------------------------------------* What trolls reveal about themselves when they troll: http://fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=57532 *-------------------------------------------------*
Tuesday, August 5, 2014 4:43 AM
SHINYGOODGUY
Tuesday, August 5, 2014 4:54 PM
Quote:Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY: Hey JSF, it'll be a while before I get to answer your post, at least until I get the DVD, but I will attempt to respond in some form in the next few days. One thing is certain, EoT is a keeper and my new "Matrix." SGG
Tuesday, August 5, 2014 6:07 PM
Quote:Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY: Class is in session (boy that was cocky) I'm feeling the flow.............. "I think you have it backwards." Perhaps I do, but let's dig a little deeper, shall we!? The Theme: The heart of the matter Skipping on down to his first encounter with Master Sgt. Farrell Farrell sizes him up and, through his vast experience, he instinctively knows the type he's dealing with. He's a liar (ad man) and a coward, putting himself above others. Selfish, etc.
Quote: Why am I going this way? Patience grasshopper, it will all come together. Farrell strips him of his rank - he is now a private. The military routinely does this, I'm sure I don't need to elaborate.
Quote: It's about to get real! He goes to battle and, just as the sergeant said, thought of himself and used the bomb to survive. Little did he know that was the beginning of his "baptism" and hence to the beginning of his journey and his fate. Not battle (Ooo, I have goosebumps) but to meet Rita. Damn, I'm good!
Quote: More on that later. let me answer your question directly. She trains him because he's their only hope for survival. She must do everything in her power to give him her experience, and hope that he will
Quote: Now, each time he resets, he sees her bus poster and she's becoming more to him than just his trainer. We all know that, so on to the helicopter scene where she dies. Yes, he realizes that they cannot get past that point, and "we" see that he cares for her. He doesn't want to live in a world without her, so I agree with you. But it is her determination, coupled with his emotional connection to her, that drives him now. He is no longer thinking of self. He has become HERO.
Quote: Now, at the bridge he does come to a realization. He must train harder and focus like never before. He has something to fight for - Rita. She had poured into him everything she was, and he wants this in his life. He is HERO and it was forged within him by her sheer will and strength of character. He falls for her and wants desperately to save her, at all costs. So, he does what he needs to to save her and goes it alone - not for combat, but for love of her and what he has become - A better man.
Quote: His fate was sealed the moment he clapped eyes on her at base camp. But he wasn't ready. SGG (there was more but somehow it got erased. That will have to come back to me)
Thursday, August 7, 2014 6:14 PM
Quote:Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY: I agree with you that the scene in the bar is not him deserting, but rather him taking a break to regroup, recharge and see what angle he could approach the battle from. Even when the old codgers insult him by calling him a coward, it doesn't phase him, I'm a little fuzzy on the timeline myself, but that moment on the bridge was a crucial moment. During his training by Rita, he constantly complains whenever she goes to "reset" because he's hurt or wounded.
Quote: By the helicopter/Rita scene he's already in love with her, and, for the life of him, he can't figure out how to save her.
Quote: JSF's opinions notwithstanding............. To me the bridge scene was saying to us and to Cage - the battle at the beach was lost and now the aliens were IN London. The look on his face was "Shit, this is serious. I gotta do something NOW!" Then he resets. If I remember it correctly, it is then that he gets his game face on and bares down on his training that even Rita looks at him and says "Wow, look at him go."
Quote: There is a great sequence where he's so focused that he destroys all the practice robots with such ease and assuredness.
Quote: The Bridge Scene (as I call it) was when he sees "this is it," as I stated above, but yeah it's been establish by brilliant writing. But remember Rita tells him that it was a trap,
Quote: so that's in the back of everyone's mind. Could they be setting Cage up for another trap? You see how that is worked in so smoothly by the writers. The seed is planted. But what Cage realizes is that the aliens must have won at the beach because here they are in London. it's like the final chess piece.
Quote: The Rita/Helicopter Death scene: Again the writing. It is here where we come to see just how much Cage cares for Rita. The coffee, the little details, the wanting to know her middle name. But there's more and "we" find out as Rita does, that Cage is holding out. In an attempt to save her, he withholds the keys to the copter. With all his fussing over her, she figures it out. He's trying to hard to have her stay there, because he knows she dies and he can't stop or change it. Remember back when the Big guy with no underwear gets smushed by the transporter and Cage turns away as if saying, what the hell he's toast. Well, he comes to that same reality with Rita at this point. It here where I think he decides, "I'm not going to find her and go it alone." The writing was so good there because we find out at the same moment that Rita does.
Quote: They show us, the visual equivalent of showing us in a novel....only better. So yes, the Final Battle was supposed to be on the beach, and both Rita and Cage know this, but they change their fate. And now the Omega must set up another trap to rid himself of Cage.
Quote: And........The attack on London and the middle-name helicopter death of Rita are what turned him around internally, because he has that connection to her and something to fight for.
Quote: So he saves the world, including her, so they could meet and fall in love.
Quote: It is subtle, but nonetheless there. Like I said, brilliant writing. It reminds me of the Terminator. Sarah inspires Reese, who's in love with her; he teaches her to become a soldier, through one night of passion they conceive John, whom Sarah teaches to be the leader of the rebels in the future who sends him back in time to save his mother before he's born. Not exactly the same, but the whole time jumping paradox is present.
Friday, August 8, 2014 6:01 PM
Quote:Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY: Yes, I had read that the book's ending was too dark for public consumption. Tom Cruise "suggested" the happier ending, another take on the romantic comedy boy-meets-girl syndrome.
Quote: To me it felt like Tom Terrific set it up for Cage to be the ultimate hero, again saving the day. In my ending both top the hill, both are heroes. She saves him (the training) which allows him to save her (reset the day). Like they would listen to little old me.
Quote: SGG
Wednesday, August 13, 2014 4:41 PM
Friday, August 29, 2014 5:08 PM
Monday, September 8, 2014 4:23 PM
Quote:Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN: Quote:Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY: Hey JSF, it'll be a while before I get to answer your post, at least until I get the DVD, but I will attempt to respond in some form in the next few days. One thing is certain, EoT is a keeper and my new "Matrix." SGG this thread feels so lonely
Tuesday, September 9, 2014 1:21 AM
Quote:Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN: Quote:Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN: Quote:Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY: Hey JSF, it'll be a while before I get to answer your post, at least until I get the DVD, but I will attempt to respond in some form in the next few days. One thing is certain, EoT is a keeper and my new "Matrix." SGG this thread feels so lonely still lonely. But DVD release date is set for October 7th.
Tuesday, September 9, 2014 7:39 AM
SECOND
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two
Quote:Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY: Be patient grasshopper!
Tuesday, September 9, 2014 4:39 PM
Quote:Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY: Yeah, I know.............ya miss me,
Quote: but I would really like to discuss the film intelligently so I'm waiting on the DVD so we can get into it - Firefly style. Obviously we both have a hankering for movie-buff debate, it's just a month away. One thing's for sure we both like this movie and the great potential for great storytelling in the future. Plus the fact that there's not much else, maybe Guardians, worth discussing. Be patient grasshopper! SGG Quote:Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN: Quote:Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN: Quote:Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY: Hey JSF, it'll be a while before I get to answer your post, at least until I get the DVD,
Quote:Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN: Quote:Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN: Quote:Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY: Hey JSF, it'll be a while before I get to answer your post, at least until I get the DVD,
Quote:Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN: Quote:Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY: Hey JSF, it'll be a while before I get to answer your post, at least until I get the DVD,
Quote:Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY: Hey JSF, it'll be a while before I get to answer your post, at least until I get the DVD,
Quote:Quote:Quote:Quote: but I will attempt to respond in some form in the next few days.
Quote:Quote:Quote: but I will attempt to respond in some form in the next few days.
Quote:Quote: but I will attempt to respond in some form in the next few days.
Quote: but I will attempt to respond in some form in the next few days.
Quote:Quote:Quote:Quote: One thing is certain, EoT is a keeper and my new "Matrix." SGG this thread feels so lonely still lonely. But DVD release date is set for October 7th.
Quote:Quote:Quote: One thing is certain, EoT is a keeper and my new "Matrix." SGG this thread feels so lonely still lonely. But DVD release date is set for October 7th.
Quote:Quote: One thing is certain, EoT is a keeper and my new "Matrix." SGG this thread feels so lonely
Quote: One thing is certain, EoT is a keeper and my new "Matrix." SGG
Wednesday, September 10, 2014 3:01 AM
Quote:Originally posted by second: Quote:Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY: Be patient grasshopper! Edge of Tomorrow is today for sale on iTunes. $19.99 for HD, $14.99 for SD Where iTunes go, there be pirates, Matey. http://sceper.ws/2014/09/edge-of-tomorrow-2014-720p-web-dl-x264-ac3-zikas.html The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
Wednesday, September 10, 2014 6:50 AM
Quote:Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY: Got it on Amazon................
Thursday, September 11, 2014 2:38 AM
Quote:Originally posted by second: Quote:Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY: Got it on Amazon................ Amazon has two versions of the digital download. The longer version is plus bonus features! Runtime: 1 hour 54 minutes www.amazon.com/Live-Die-Repeat-Edge-Tomorrow/dp/B00KW25MFY/ Runtime:2 hours 8 minutes www.amazon.com/Live-Die-Repeat-Tomorrow-features/dp/B00N45UAZS/ Edge of Tomorrow will be available to rent on October 7, 2014. FROM AMAZON REVIEW: What I like about the book over the movie is it took the time to tell the reader what Mimics are.. On a planet far, far away, a race of highly advance and intelligent beings on an over populated planet sent out nanobots to terraform a distant planet they felt could sustain their life. That planet being Earth. Upon arriving Earth the ship broke into eight parts while the mothership remained in orbit. 4 parts fell into the sea, the rest on land. All communications from Earth were ignored. After the world's nations finished auguring among themselves it was decided that they blasted the mothership to space bits with missiles. Meanwhile In the depths of the oceans, the machines chanced upon echinoderms—starfish The nanobots penetrated the rigid endoskeletons of the starfish and began to multiply in symbiosis with their hosts. The resulting creatures fed on soil. They ate the world and spat out poison. Toxic to earth life but suitable to the beings that sent them. When the machines arrived on land, they concluded that in order to fulfill their objective of xenoforming the planet, they would have to remove the obstacles standing in their way. That's where the movie starts. The name change from "Edge of Tomorrow" to "Live Die Repeat" makes it sound like a made-for-TV movie, not a huge motion picture. Talk about a marketing department that has no idea what they're doing.
Thursday, September 11, 2014 5:23 PM
Quote:Originally posted by second: Quote:Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY: Got it on Amazon................ Amazon has two versions of the digital download. The longer version is plus bonus features! Edge of Tomorrow will be available to rent on October 7, 2014. FROM AMAZON REVIEW: What I like about the book over the movie is it took the time to tell the reader what Mimics are.. On a planet far, far away, a race of highly advance and intelligent beings on an over populated planet sent out nanobots to terraform a distant planet they felt could sustain their life. That planet being Earth. Upon arriving Earth the ship broke into eight parts while the mothership remained in orbit. 4 parts fell into the sea, the rest on land. All communications from Earth were ignored. After the world's nations finished auguring among themselves it was decided that they blasted the mothership to space bits with missiles. Meanwhile In the depths of the oceans, the machines chanced upon echinoderms—starfish The nanobots penetrated the rigid endoskeletons of the starfish and began to multiply in symbiosis with their hosts. The resulting creatures fed on soil. They ate the world and spat out poison. Toxic to earth life but suitable to the beings that sent them. When the machines arrived on land, they concluded that in order to fulfill their objective of xenoforming the planet, they would have to remove the obstacles standing in their way. That's where the movie starts.
Friday, September 12, 2014 6:12 AM
MOOSE
Quote:Originally posted by second: Quote:Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY: Got it on Amazon................ Amazon has two versions of the digital download. The longer version is plus bonus features! Runtime: 1 hour 54 minutes www.amazon.com/Live-Die-Repeat-Edge-Tomorrow/dp/B00KW25MFY/ Runtime:2 hours 8 minutes www.amazon.com/Live-Die-Repeat-Tomorrow-features/dp/B00N45UAZS/]
Quote: The name change from "Edge of Tomorrow" to "Live Die Repeat" makes it sound like a made-for-TV movie, not a huge motion picture. Talk about a marketing department that has no idea what they're doing.
Saturday, September 13, 2014 2:39 AM
Quote:Originally posted by Moose: Quote:Originally posted by second: Quote:Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY: Got it on Amazon................ Amazon has two versions of the digital download. The longer version is plus bonus features! Runtime: 1 hour 54 minutes www.amazon.com/Live-Die-Repeat-Edge-Tomorrow/dp/B00KW25MFY/ Runtime:2 hours 8 minutes www.amazon.com/Live-Die-Repeat-Tomorrow-features/dp/B00N45UAZS/] Only 14min of bonus content? The VUDU bonus release has well over an hour's worth. I wonder why Amazon cut so much. Quote: The name change from "Edge of Tomorrow" to "Live Die Repeat" makes it sound like a made-for-TV movie, not a huge motion picture. Talk about a marketing department that has no idea what they're doing. I agree about that.
Saturday, September 13, 2014 8:33 AM
Quote:Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY: Thanks Moose for the heads up about the Bonus features on Amazon and Vudu. I mistakenly bought the regular theatrical release digital copy from Amazon. Somehow I clicked on the wrong button. I was thinking of waiting for the DVD release in Oct., but with the info you gave regarding Vudu, I think I'll get their version. I just gotta work some overtime to get it.
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Saturday, October 4, 2014 2:33 PM
Quote:Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN: But DVD release date is set for October 7th.
Monday, October 6, 2014 6:01 PM
Quote:Originally posted by MAL4PREZ: Did you not listen to Paxton? “You’re a coward and a liar putting your life above theirs. The good news is there’s hope for you, private. Hope in the form of glorious combat. Battle is the great redeemer. The fire and crucible in which the only true heroes are forged. The one place where all men truly share the same rank, regardless of what kind of parasitic scum they were going in. … I envy you, Cage. Tomorrow morning you will be baptized — born again.” That line is not accident, JSF. It is the theme of the movie! Good lord, open your eyes!
Monday, October 6, 2014 7:11 PM
ECGORDON
There's no place I can be since I found Serenity.
Thursday, October 9, 2014 4:32 AM
Quote:Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN: Quote:Originally posted by MAL4PREZ: Tell you what else JSF: instead of getting into some silly "I'm right, no I'm right" here, let's wait until the DVD with all the extras comes out. Let's watch the commentary and such, and then let's see what the writers, directors, and actors have to say about the arc of TC's character. What do you say? In case you are interested, I'll try to explain some things. Also, if using films and screenwriters as accurate comprehenders of military such as the ludicrous Few Good Men as our standard, then don't read further and stay in the fantasy world. Do you think that a doctor, an MD, should be placed in command of a combat battalion? Even if he is a Colonel? Even if he has never attended War College or Potential Command Course? If he were, his battalion would be massacred at the first exchange of fire. He is not trained for the combat, he has been trained for the medical application of his talents and knowledge. Do you think military personnel respect him less because he is not "earned" rank, as you imply? The combat injured would much rather have a War College graduate without a smidgen of medical training cut him open and repair his insides? A person would have to be insane to suggest either. MDs are not placed in command of combat units, infantry units, tanks, air or sea squadrons unless they are separately trained for those tasks and commands. That would be disasterous for all concerned, and the military would fail along with the government behind it. JDs are not placed in command of combat units for the same reason, yet doctors and JAG officers raise in rank. Those are earned rank, regardless of what you wish to claim. Magor Cage was not trained in combat tactics, techniques, strategy, just like JAGs and Medical Officers are not, unless they specifically pursue those courses. He has no business being in command of any size or level of combat unit, as the criminally despicable General assigned him to be, at least until he has had some training and experience at command, yet he has earned his rank. The reason the Sgt said all that was because he had been given a stack of lies, a frame-up of a deserter profile, which had no basis in fact. He was lied to about the training and capabilities Cage had, although he had not had any. Any reasonable person should be able to understand this. If I was not clear, please point out what I didn't explain.
Quote:Originally posted by MAL4PREZ: Tell you what else JSF: instead of getting into some silly "I'm right, no I'm right" here, let's wait until the DVD with all the extras comes out. Let's watch the commentary and such, and then let's see what the writers, directors, and actors have to say about the arc of TC's character. What do you say?
Thursday, October 9, 2014 10:27 AM
MAL4PREZ
Quote:Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN: He has no business being in command of any size or level of combat unit, as the criminally despicable General assigned him to be Any reasonable person should be able to understand this. If I was not clear, please point out what I didn't explain.
Thursday, October 16, 2014 7:04 PM
Quote:Originally posted by MAL4PREZ: Quote:Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN: He has no business being in command of any size or level of combat unit, as the criminally despicable General assigned him to be Any reasonable person should be able to understand this. If I was not clear, please point out what I didn't explain.
Thursday, October 16, 2014 7:08 PM
Quote:Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY: Yeah, I know.............ya miss me, but I would really like to discuss the film intelligently so I'm waiting on the DVD so we can get into it - Firefly style. Obviously we both have a hankering for movie-buff debate, it's just a month away. One thing's for sure we both like this movie and the great potential for great storytelling in the future. Plus the fact that there's not much else, maybe Guardians, worth discussing. Be patient grasshopper! SGG Quote:Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN: Quote:Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN: Quote:Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY: Hey JSF, it'll be a while before I get to answer your post, at least until I get the DVD, but I will attempt to respond in some form in the next few days. One thing is certain, EoT is a keeper and my new "Matrix." SGG this thread feels so lonely still lonely. But DVD release date is set for October 7th.
Thursday, October 16, 2014 8:39 PM
STORYMARK
Quote:Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN: Quote:Originally posted by MAL4PREZ: Quote:Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN: He has no business being in command of any size or level of combat unit, as the criminally despicable General assigned him to be Any reasonable person should be able to understand this. If I was not clear, please point out what I didn't explain. Oh, you explained your fantasy quite well, but that has absolutely nothing to do with the movie. Cage was never in command of any kind of combat unit. How do you make this stuff up? Have you actually seen the movie? Anyhow, I haven't gotten the DVD yet. Hope to make it to the store tonight.
Saturday, October 18, 2014 5:16 PM
Saturday, October 18, 2014 7:23 PM
Quote: ...A bunch of fictional BS... Any reasonable person should be able to understand this. If I was not clear, please point out what I didn't explain.
Quote:some of my recollections were faded and/or fuzzy
Monday, October 20, 2014 7:56 PM
Quote:Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN: Quote:Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY: Yeah, I know.............ya miss me, but I would really like to discuss the film intelligently so I'm waiting on the DVD so we can get into it - Firefly style. Obviously we both have a hankering for movie-buff debate, it's just a month away. One thing's for sure we both like this movie and the great potential for great storytelling in the future. Plus the fact that there's not much else, maybe Guardians, worth discussing. Be patient grasshopper! SGG Quote:Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN: Quote:Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN: Quote:Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY: Hey JSF, it'll be a while before I get to answer your post, at least until I get the DVD, but I will attempt to respond in some form in the next few days. One thing is certain, EoT is a keeper and my new "Matrix." SGG this thread feels so lonely still lonely. But DVD release date is set for October 7th. So have you given up? Or just too embarrassed by what you've realized?
Wednesday, October 22, 2014 3:03 AM
Quote:Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN: Quote:Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN: Quote:Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY: Yeah, I know.............ya miss me, but I would really like to discuss the film intelligently so I'm waiting on the DVD so we can get into it - Firefly style. Obviously we both have a hankering for movie-buff debate, it's just a month away. One thing's for sure we both like this movie and the great potential for great storytelling in the future. Plus the fact that there's not much else, maybe Guardians, worth discussing. Be patient grasshopper! SGG Quote:Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN: Quote:Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN: Quote:Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY: Hey JSF, it'll be a while before I get to answer your post, at least until I get the DVD, but I will attempt to respond in some form in the next few days. One thing is certain, EoT is a keeper and my new "Matrix." SGG this thread feels so lonely still lonely. But DVD release date is set for October 7th. So have you given up? Or just too embarrassed by what you've realized? ???
Wednesday, October 22, 2014 4:24 AM
Friday, October 24, 2014 5:52 PM
Quote:Originally posted by Moose: Ummm....errr...I laughed when Cruise got hit by the truck.
Friday, October 24, 2014 5:53 PM
Quote:Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY: No, just got other things on my plate right now, besides, in movies, as an art medium, there is no wrong or right - just different shades of color. Of course, it depends from which side of the rainbow you're looking from. SGG
Saturday, October 25, 2014 7:08 AM
Quote:Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN: Quote:Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY: No, just got other things on my plate right now, besides, in movies, as an art medium, there is no wrong or right - just different shades of color. Of course, it depends from which side of the rainbow you're looking from. SGG That sounds like no more discussion.
Saturday, October 25, 2014 5:54 PM
Quote:Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY: No, just means I haven't had time. Tell you what, I'm going to re-watch it and then comment this weekend. I need to refresh my memory. SGG
Monday, October 27, 2014 6:34 PM
Quote:Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN: Quote:Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY: No, just means I haven't had time. Tell you what, I'm going to re-watch it and then comment this weekend. I need to refresh my memory. SGG OK.
Saturday, November 1, 2014 5:17 PM
Sunday, November 2, 2014 1:06 AM
Quote:Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN: Quote:Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY: No, just means I haven't had time. Tell you what, I'm going to re-watch it and then comment this weekend. I need to refresh my memory. SGG You meant last weekend?
Sunday, November 2, 2014 9:30 AM
Quote:Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY: 24:41 - He kills the Alpha and gains the Reset capability; totally by accident
Sunday, November 2, 2014 1:53 PM
Quote:Originally posted by second: Quote:Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY: 24:41 - He kills the Alpha and gains the Reset capability; totally by accident Not accidental. Cage had to know what a Claymore mine is, lunge for it, aim and trigger it. Accidental would be the Alpha triggering the Claymore when it bites off Cage's head.
Quote: The movie opened on the 70th anniversary of D-Day. But crash-landing helicopters on the beach at Normandy in order to repeat D-Day was a stupid strategy. Boats stop at the shore; helicopters need not stop. The nice beach at Normandy was the only reason to send boats there, but if you're not in a boat Normandy is not where an Army crosses into France. Pick a better spot, General Brigham! Look at a goddamn map for Christ's sake!
Quote: Crossing into France at Normandy must have been the idea of General Brigham (Brendan Gleeson), expecting a repeat of General Eisenhower's historic victory. It's just another reason to hate General Brigham.
Quote: The only thing the General did that wasn't reprehensible was to NOT claim for himself personal credit for Paris. He probably feared the media would eventually ask questions about the easy victory and find out he is a big, fat, fast-talking know-nothing. That would be bad for Brigham's future in politics, a future that Cage predicted.
Sunday, November 2, 2014 2:12 PM
Quote:Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY: Okay: 1:11:11 - Cage decides to go after the Omega alone when he goes to see Rita. He knows that if she goes along w=she will not stop. SGG
Sunday, November 2, 2014 2:44 PM
Quote:Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY: Okay: 19:37 - Cage lands on the beach for the first time as a
Quote: coward, an impostor 20:45 - Rita's ship crash lands 21:15 - Cage loses his helmet 21:21 - Cage sees Rita in action for the first time 21:51 - They look at each other 21:58 - Rita is shot right in front of cage 22:01 - Rita lands dead by Cage's side 22:05 - Cage begins to run away in fear for his life
Quote: 22:17 - Sgt. Farrell stops Cage from
Quote: running away and resets his destiny (the first time Farrell sets his destiny is when he tells Cage he will be baptised in glorious battle/fiery crucible) 22:21 - Sgt. Farrell tells him he's going to miss his moment (Farrell stops him from being
Quote: selfish and a coward, to lead him to his destiny) Farrell is the key. 22:23 - Griff gives us the jist of the story: "There not supposed to know we're coming" Farrell does his best to lead J Squad and all ignore Cage regarding his safety. Cage wanders about completely lost in battle, until....... 23:10 - A mimick pops out of the ground and begins to slaughter J Squad, but they seemingly ignore Cage in the skirmish, until.......
Quote: 24:00 - Cage kills a mimick. He was not part of the battles before, so he changes the future by affecting the beach landing - Rita is killed, but Cage surprises them instead.................
Quote: 24:41 - He kills the Alpha and gains the Reset capability; totally by accident Sgt. Farrell was right, he was baptised. Born Again! He's still a coward, but he begins his journey toward becoming a hero and (I agree with your assessment) the redemption of J Squad in becoming a fighting unit. It is still my contention that Cage falls in love with Rita upon seeing her on the side of the bus at FOB. The battle scene only presented him with his destiny which Farrell prophesized. Cage now controls the reset. The next key moment is when Farrell introduces Cage to J Squad and reveals the playing cards................
Quote: 27:02 - Farrell asks Nance why he hates gambling. "It entertains the notion that our fate is in the hands others than our own." Is slipped by me several times, but I caught it once and it seemed to remind me of Terminator 2 regarding Fate. Through discipline we are masters of our Fate. Farrell tells Cage he'll come around. He is the harbinger of future actions, as well as the Narrator, the Point of view within the film. He's telling Cage, and us, that he will be the hero. 33:35 - Cage saves Rita in battle and he tells her that she needs to lead them to get off the beach. Rita tells Cage to come find her. So now comes the ground rules, they explain about the mimicks and what's happening to Cage.
Quote: 54:33 - Tavern (here's the section that I mention about the Bridge Scene) Cage is drinking because he's frustrated that they haven't made progress in probably hundreds of attempts to defeat the mimicks.
Quote: 55:29 - The chap in the pub calls Cage a coward, his former self, and he grimaces because he's no longer a coward. The lights flicker. He runs out of the pub and over to the bridge (This is the scene to which I refer) 55:58 - Cage sees the mimicks in the water by the bridge. 56:05 - The mimicks kill Cage on the bridge. 56:06 - Rita walks into the Training Facility and finds Cage training on his own (this is the sequence of scenes that I was talking about, when Cage rededicates himself to training) 56:45 - Carter finds the Omega. 57:11 - Rita tells Cage "You can do this"
Quote: After she tells him her middle name he decides to go it alone. 1:10:40 - Even the D.I. that yells at him "on your feet maggot" sees a difference in him 1:11:11 - Cage decides to go after the Omega alone when he goes to see Rita. He knows that if she goes along w=she will not stop. 1:12:00 - He becomes as determined as Rita, tells Griff to get him more ammo.
Quote: After that it becomes an army mission for him and Rita SGG
Sunday, November 2, 2014 3:47 PM
Quote:Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN: The pertinent question is: was he just a moron, or was he a traitor? . . . only J-squad agreeing to go on the suicide mission stopped Brigham from successfully giving victory to the Omega.
Monday, November 3, 2014 3:12 PM
Quote:Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN: Quote:Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY: Okay: 1:11:11 - Cage decides to go after the Omega alone when he goes to see Rita. He knows that if she goes along w=she will not stop. SGG I don't get this. Did you complete your thought? What do you mean? She will stop when she gets killed. She will get killed in every scenario. When he goes alone, this means she will die on the beach, long before he gets to the helicopter. What are you talking about here?
Monday, November 3, 2014 3:32 PM
Quote:Originally posted by second: Quote:Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY: 24:41 - He kills the Alpha and gains the Reset capability; totally by accident Not accidental. Cage had to know what a Claymore mine is, lunge for it, aim and trigger it. Accidental would be the Alpha triggering the Claymore when it bites off Cage's head. The movie opened on the 70th anniversary of D-Day. But crash-landing helicopters on the beach at Normandy in order to repeat D-Day was a stupid strategy. Boats stop at the shore; helicopters need not stop. The nice beach at Normandy was the only reason to send boats there, but if you're not in a boat Normandy is not where an Army crosses into France. Pick a better spot, General Brigham! Look at a goddamn map for Christ's sake! Crossing into France at Normandy must have been the idea of General Brigham (Brendan Gleeson), expecting a repeat of General Eisenhower's historic victory. It's just another reason to hate General Brigham. The only thing the General did that wasn't reprehensible was to NOT claim for himself personal credit for Paris. He probably feared the media would eventually ask questions about the easy victory and find out he is a big, fat, fast-talking know-nothing. That would be bad for Brigham's future in politics, a future that Cage predicted. The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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