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Saturday, December 28, 2013 10:43 PM
AURAPTOR
America loves a winner!
Saturday, December 28, 2013 10:55 PM
SHINYGOODGUY
Saturday, December 28, 2013 11:32 PM
Saturday, December 28, 2013 11:57 PM
BYTEMITE
Sunday, December 29, 2013 12:14 AM
Quote:Originally posted by BYTEMITE: I liked it, even if it wasn't exactly faithful to the books, he brought in a lot of ideas from other sources and tried to make sense of what was going on. I was impressed he even brought in the Necromancer thing, even if it's a little out of order.
Quote: Some artistic liberties were made for the sake of the audience, but he tied things in with the future LotR books pretty well.
Sunday, December 29, 2013 11:00 AM
SECOND
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two
Quote:Originally posted by AURaptor: A LITTLE out of order? It's COMPLETELY out of order, and make a cluster fuck of Fellowship! Gandalf riding to Gondor, consulting the ancient manuscripts, and finally piecing together the clues, and going to Saruman is now utterly pointless !!!
Sunday, December 29, 2013 11:52 AM
STORYMARK
Sunday, December 29, 2013 12:09 PM
Sunday, December 29, 2013 12:57 PM
MAL4PREZ
Sunday, December 29, 2013 1:15 PM
Sunday, December 29, 2013 1:32 PM
Quote:Originally posted by AURaptor: I don't know who he's making this movie for, if not for the avid Tolkien fan.
Sunday, December 29, 2013 1:38 PM
Quote:Originally posted by BYTEMITE: For a quaint children's story, you're taking this pretty seriously.
Sunday, December 29, 2013 1:39 PM
Quote: He actually does go and confront the necromancer in the Silmarillion before the White Council is ever organized. In the Silmarillion the Necromancer withdraws that time, but Gandalf is left with the distinct impression that it actually was Sauron and not a Nazghul. Which is why he does suggest the council be formed, and Saruman is made the leader of the council. This has already happened by the time of The Hobbit, which is why we have that scene with Galadriel in the first movie.
Quote: Then, to get the key to Erebor, Gandalf goes AGAIN to Dol Guldur and determines it really is Sauron. Technically this should have happened BEFORE the story of The Hobbit even STARTED, but all Peter Jackson did is make it implicit, and with Gandalf inexplicably leaving in the middle of The Hobbit, it's not unbelievable that Gandalf would then go to Dol Guldur again by himself and try to confront Sauron again and Sauron might have gained enough power to reveal himself. Or that after The Hobbit is over, Gandalf would go to Gondor not to determine if it is Sauron, because he already knows that even in the books, but rather to determine a way to defeat Sauron.
Quote: Basically, my thoughts in regards to the Dol Guldur subplot amounted to "eh, close enough."
Quote: And I liked the she-elf Tauriel because she added to the story. The Legolas cameo went on a little too long, but Tauriel helped add some dimension to the dwarf characters, which is a good thing.
Sunday, December 29, 2013 1:44 PM
Quote:Originally posted by AURaptor: Quote:Originally posted by BYTEMITE: For a quaint children's story, you're taking this pretty seriously. And your point is... ? Quote: He actually does go and confront the necromancer in the Silmarillion before the White Council is ever organized. In the Silmarillion the Necromancer withdraws that time, but Gandalf is left with the distinct impression that it actually was Sauron and not a Nazghul. Which is why he does suggest the council be formed, and Saruman is made the leader of the council. This has already happened by the time of The Hobbit, which is why we have that scene with Galadriel in the first movie. I don't recall it that way. His later trip to Gondor, consulting of the scrolls and dusty, dry parchment ( right near his open candle flame, no less - ha ha ) WAS suppose to be the tippoing point for Gandalf. If he'd already convinced himself that it was Sauron, even before the White Council, then why make such a fuss over it when he finally goes to see Saruman ? OK - this is getting off the movie a bit, in wading hip deep into TOLKIEN fanboy stuff, I know )
Sunday, December 29, 2013 2:01 PM
Quote:Originally posted by MAL4PREZ: The trip to gondor was to convince himself that bilbos ring was the one ring,it wasn't about sauron. I'm pretty sure gandalf did leave the hobbit gang to do some dol guldor business. But damn if it hasn't been so long that I can't recall the details. Shame! I'm going to read the white council meeting chapter of fellowship again.
Sunday, December 29, 2013 6:30 PM
Quote:Originally posted by MAL4PREZ: Quote:Originally posted by BYTEMITE: For a quaint children's story, you're taking this pretty seriously. Who you talking to? Funny that you start your post this way, then kick back with all the detail. What is a review thread for, if not to take a movie seriously? Maybe you mean he's taking it personally to a silly degree, which it agree with. As I agree with the rest of your post.
Sunday, December 29, 2013 6:35 PM
Quote:True. He was reading up on the known history of the one ring. But the movie is playing up the ties between Sauron, his servants far too early in the whole timeline, imo. If Gandalf truly suspected Sauron was back in business, at the time of Dol Guldur, and it wasn't just some random Necromancer, then he absolutely had grown too fond of the Halfling's leaf.
Quote:If he'd already convinced himself that it was Sauron, even before the White Council, then why make such a fuss over it when he finally goes to see Saruman ?
Sunday, December 29, 2013 10:12 PM
Quote:Originally posted by BYTEMITE: Because Gandalf hadn't been able to get the other Ishtar and elven leaders to believe him yet, and they all figured The One Ring was lost anyway. Saruman was appointed leader of the White Council, so it makes sense Gandalf would go to him. And then Saruman had his own reasons for dismissing Gandalf's concerns. Imagine if you will that Gandalf is the magical grey-bearded Fox Mulder of the Middle Earth realm.
Monday, December 30, 2013 2:38 PM
Quote:Originally posted by BYTEMITE: Because Gandalf hadn't been able to get the other Ishtar ...
Monday, December 30, 2013 4:30 PM
Tuesday, December 31, 2013 5:56 AM
FREMDFIRMA
Tuesday, December 31, 2013 3:55 PM
Tuesday, December 31, 2013 11:21 PM
Wednesday, January 1, 2014 9:55 AM
Quote:Originally posted by FREMDFIRMA: The dialogue of that whole scene between Smaug and Bilbo was so well done in that version though, cause it really brings out not only how vain and arrogant dragons are, but also that they are not whatever human in thought and conduct, which is something most folk trying to write one seem to forget - they have totally different and often alien motivations and behaviors.
Quote:"I have always understood," said Bilbo in a frightened squeak, "that dragons were softer underneath, especially in the region of the–er–chest; but doubtless one so fortified has thought of that." The dragon stopped short in his boasting. "Your information is antiquated," he snapped. "I am armoured above and below with iron scales and hard gems. No blade can pierce me." "I might have guessed it," said Bilbo. "Truly there can nowhere be found the equal of Lord Smaug the Impenetrable. What magnificence to possess a waistcoat of fine diamonds!" "Yes, it is rare and wonderful, indeed," said Smaug absurdly pleased. He did not know that the hobbit had already caught a glimpse of his peculiar undercovering on his previous visit, and was itching for a closer view for reasons of his own. The dragon rolled over. "Look!" he said. "What do you say to that?" "Dazzlingly marvellous! Perfect! Flawless! Staggering!" exclaimed Bilbo aloud, but what he thought inside was: "Old fool! Why there is a large patch in the hollow of his left breast as bare as a snail out of its shell!" After he had seen that Mr. Baggins' one idea was to get away. "Well, I really must not detain Your Magnificence any longer," he said, "or keep you from much needed rest. Ponies take some catching, I believe, after a long start. And so do burglars," he added as a parting shot, as he darted back and fled up the tunnel. It was an unfortunate remark, for the dragon spouted terrific flames after him, and fast though he sped up the slope, he had not gone nearly far enough to be comfortable before the ghastly head of Smaug was thrust against the opening behind. Luckily the whole head and jaws could not squeeze in, but the nostrils sent forth fire and vapour to pursue him, and he was nearly overcome, and stumbled blindly on in great pain and fear. He had been feeling rather pleased with the cleverness of his conversation with Smaug, but his mistake at the end shook him into better sense.
Wednesday, January 1, 2014 10:10 AM
Wednesday, January 1, 2014 10:17 AM
Quote:Originally posted by second: The movie Bilbo is far more cautious around the dragon than the book Bilbo.
Wednesday, January 1, 2014 10:36 AM
Quote:Originally posted by AURaptor: If Gandalf truly suspected Sauron was back in business, at the time of Dol Guldur, and it wasn't just some random Necromancer, then he absolutely had grown too fond of the Halfling's leaf.
Wednesday, January 1, 2014 11:16 AM
Quote:Originally posted by MAL4PREZ: Quote:Originally posted by second: The movie Bilbo is far more cautious around the dragon than the book Bilbo. Yeah, I found it a bit annoying that they had to turn the dragon encounter into a big action fight scene. I miss the days where movies could rely on a good story well told rather than the action pieces, which Peter Jackson has bought into completely. Maybe the next round of remakes will back off the excesses a bit.
Wednesday, January 1, 2014 11:27 AM
Quote: See timeline: Gandalf knew it was Sauron before Bilbo was even born. Admit it - in this you are definitively and with no wiggle room WRONG. ;)
Quote: As for your other criticisms: I've dealt with the riding to Gondor issue. That had nothing to do with figuring out Sauron or Saruman, and everything with ID'ing Bilbo's ring. This is clear in both the books and the movies.
Quote: It's really the simplest way to solve several story-telling problems. Works for me, and really not worth such kvetching IMHO.
Wednesday, January 1, 2014 11:53 AM
Quote:Originally posted by second: There could be other reasons for Jackson to rewrite Tolkien's dragon/Bilbo conversation, besides Jackson going completely Hollywood. Psychological reasons.
Quote:In atom bomb building history "Tickling the Dragon's Tail" was an experiment that killed twice. Jackson could know this since the accidents have been dramatized in several fictional and non-fiction accounts. What Bilbo did with the dragon in the book written before atom bombs is damn foolishness to modern sensibilities such as Peter Jackson's, so (pure speculation) Jackson rewrote the story for that reason -- he didn't want his Bilbo to be an overconfident idiot around a dragon. Times change, you know. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louis_Slotin
Wednesday, January 1, 2014 12:00 PM
Quote:Originally posted by AURaptor: Well, I WAS wrong. I now stand CORRECTED. Thanks to you. Nicely done.
Quote:Yep. I had that confused, and already realized that. I use to be more familiar w/ this stuff, but time has fogged some of the details. And in fact, some of it I never knew in the first place either. I guess my geekdom in such matters could stand an update.
Quote:And thanks to your due diligence, I too agree. I still have problems w/ some things PJ has done,( like Elves coming to the aid of Aragorn and Theoden, at Helms Deep ) but over all, he's done a decent job.
Quote:And I agree w/ the capturing of Gollum, and the questioning stuff too. As much as I think PJ would love to put that in, I suspect it won't make the final cut. Maybe something for the DVD set?
Wednesday, January 1, 2014 12:53 PM
Quote:Originally posted by MAL4PREZ: My kvech is more about how the Return of the King became an all-out war movie. My interest in that book was more in exploring Mordor, and how evil destroyed or perverted nature. Seeing inside Mordor was like being able to see inside a nuclear reactor, a glimpse of something so beyond normal "real" life. He could have cut 10 minutes of film time and a few million of budget from the battle at Minas Tirith and spent it on Mordor.
Wednesday, January 1, 2014 11:40 PM
ECGORDON
There's no place I can be since I found Serenity.
Thursday, January 2, 2014 12:14 AM
Quote:Originally posted by ecgordon: I had debated not reviewing this one, but I relented - http://templetongate.net/hobbit2.htm
Thursday, January 2, 2014 9:36 AM
Friday, January 3, 2014 10:08 AM
Friday, January 3, 2014 10:59 AM
Quote:Faramir.
Quote:Aragorn.
Quote:Elrond.
Friday, January 3, 2014 11:54 AM
Quote:Originally posted by BYTEMITE: He wasn't playing Agent Smith. He was playing Elrond. Playing different characters is something actors do. For example, Jack Nicholson, who was mentioned in that utterly inane rant, has played both a man gone murderously crazy in The Shining as well as characters in friggin' romantic comedies.
Friday, January 3, 2014 12:03 PM
ZEEK
Friday, January 3, 2014 4:21 PM
Quote:Charm is an essential secret to The Hobbit, and to some extent The Lord of the Rings. Tolkien’s myth depends on the response of ordinary creatures to horrific threats against their comfortable lives. The hobbits prove uncommonly strong and resistant to harm because they carry the warmth of their home inside them, and they repeatedly summon its charms in the darkest times, while facing the most dangerous foes.
Quote:Elrond. By the blazing flames of Sammath Naur, how do you cast Agent Smith as Elrond?! I mean, what the hell? If you want a scary psychopath, why not cast Jack Nicholson? Does Jackson have any idea who this character is? “He was as noble and as fair in face as an elf-lord, as strong as a warrior, as wise as a wizard, as venerable as a king of dwarves, and as kind as summer.” He’s not a bitter, racist, computer virus, that’s for damn sure.
Friday, January 3, 2014 8:56 PM
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