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Friday, September 5, 2025 8:25 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Got a good one for you guys. Especially if you like time loop movies.

Triangle (2009)



It's no Edge of Tomorrow, and unless I'm missing something it's not going to leave you with many questions at the end like a lot of time loop/time travel movies do, but for a $12 Million budget, I thought it was pretty excellent.

The "lesser" Hemsworth Liam was the only name I recognized from it, and I'm pretty sure it's the first time I've actually seen him in anything. Lead actress Melissa George and did a great job... and she was gorgeous. Australian actress, which is probably why we don't see too much of her here. Did a search on IMDB though and was surprised to see that I've seen her at least three times before. She did an episode of House. She was in 5 episodes of the TV show ROAR from 1997 starring Heath Leger even before he was in 10 Things I hate about you.

But the one that got me was Mulholland Drive. She played Camilla Rhodes. Not the Camilla Rhodes that got more screen time as played by Laura Harring who also played Rita, but the blonde glammed up version of Camilla Rhodes that only showed up early in the movie, if memory serves. No wonder I didn't realize that was her though. It was 12 years earlier and this was very much a different character. I can't even remember if she really had any lines in Mulholland Drive, actually. I don't know... been too many years since I've seen it.

She was also in 23 episodes of Alias, but I never watched that show.



As always, I recommend going in blind and not checking out the trailer first.

IMDB blurb doesn't give anything away, so here it is:

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Five friends set sail and their yacht is overturned by a strange and sudden storm. A mysterious ship arrives to rescue them, and what happens next cannot be explained.


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Friday, September 5, 2025 8:30 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


I should mention too, that this movie was made in a time when we kept the movies at a reasonable length. With credits included, the runtime was only 1 hour and 39 minutes.

This lead to what I would call nearly perfect pacing. Today they would have made this movie 2 1/2 hours long and filled us in with all the unnecessary backstory for all the characters that was not at all necessary to the plot.

I was thrilled that just about 15 minutes into the story we're already getting to the action, and I didn't have to sit through 45 minutes to an hour of douchey rich people gabbing away about douchey rich people bullshit on a yacht before we get to the meat of the story.

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Saturday, September 6, 2025 2:57 AM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


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Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
Got a good one for you guys. Especially if you like time loop movies.

Triangle (2009)



It's no Edge of Tomorrow, and unless I'm missing something it's not going to leave you with many questions at the end like a lot of time loop/time travel movies do, but for a $12 Million budget, I thought it was pretty excellent.

The "lesser" Hemsworth Liam was the only name I recognized from it, and I'm pretty sure it's the first time I've actually seen him in anything. Lead actress Melissa George and did a great job... and she was gorgeous. Australian actress, which is probably why we don't see too much of her here. Did a search on IMDB though and was surprised to see that I've seen her at least three times before. She did an episode of House. She was in 5 episodes of the TV show ROAR from 1997 starring Heath Leger even before he was in 10 Things I hate about you.

But the one that got me was Mulholland Drive. She played Camilla Rhodes. Not the Camilla Rhodes that got more screen time as played by Laura Harring who also played Rita, but the blonde glammed up version of Camilla Rhodes that only showed up early in the movie, if memory serves. No wonder I didn't realize that was her though. It was 12 years earlier and this was very much a different character. I can't even remember if she really had any lines in Mulholland Drive, actually. I don't know... been too many years since I've seen it.

She was also in 23 episodes of Alias, but I never watched that show.


As always, I recommend going in blind and not checking out the trailer first.

IMDB blurb doesn't give anything away, so here it is:
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Five friends set sail and their yacht is overturned by a strange and sudden storm. A mysterious ship arrives to rescue them, and what happens next cannot be explained.

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I don't recall if I saw Triangle.
If so, I might have thought it similar to Virus. There were a few ghost ship films out around then, IIRC.
Melissa George is gorgeous. She also had a character arc on Good Wife, which I saw on reruns.
That role had similar feel to Alexandria Daddorio in Modern Family.
This was Liam's first year of films.
2009 also had Chris Hemsworth as George Kirk in Star Trek, and in Cabin In The Woods.

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Saturday, September 6, 2025 6:20 AM

JAYNEZTOWN


the original Alien back in 1979 before Xenomorph Aliens became a thing, I mentioned it on the previous page a Budget $8.4–14 million

update on the 'franchise'

Fede Álvarez Will Not Direct ‘Alien: Romulus’ Sequel
https://bloody-disgusting.com/movie/3898455/fede-alvarez-will-not-dire
ct-alien-romulus-sequel
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Saturday, September 6, 2025 8:31 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
I don't recall if I saw Triangle.
If so, I might have thought it similar to Virus. There were a few ghost ship films out around then, IIRC.
Melissa George is gorgeous. She also had a character arc on Good Wife, which I saw on reruns.
That role had similar feel to Alexandria Daddorio in Modern Family.
This was Liam's first year of films.
2009 also had Chris Hemsworth as George Kirk in Star Trek, and in Cabin In The Woods.



You ain't kidding. Melissa George is gorgeous.

I mean, she's almost 50 now, so I hope she aged like a fine wine like Jennifer Conneley did. But I got 10 teeth left and I'm a only a few years younger, so what do I know.

I only know Alexandria Daddorio from a few episodes of It's Always Sunny, but talk about another stunner. Never watched Modern Family, or The Good Wife either. I did see that Melissa was in that though because I looked her up on IMDB while my old man was still here and mentioned some of the things I know I'd heard of and he said he never watched that show but he remembered that it was a pretty big deal when it was out.

Triangle was pretty damn good, and I would give it a solid recommendation to anybody who likes movies about time. I wouldn't call it a "Ghost Ship" movie though, but I really don't want to say much more because I like going into movies knowing as little as possible myself.


I'll have to see if there's a good movie called Square or Rectangle now. I know years back I recommended a movie called Circle, so maybe there's a good movie for all the shapes.

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Sunday, September 7, 2025 2:35 AM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Pretty sure there are some pyramids released. I think Sphere was made into film. Cube films that I recall were not good. Don't recall if trapezoid was made into film. How about Star, curve, arc?

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Sunday, September 7, 2025 3:43 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


I was thinking more along the lines of 2D flicks.

Looks like there aren't going to be any winners with Squares, Rectangles or Pentagons though, unless you like romcoms, woke DEI trash movies, or bullshit about Ukraine/Russia.

Bummer.

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Sunday, September 21, 2025 5:20 PM

JAYNEZTOWN


not sure if good...its possible these Japanese cartoons are dumb but...

Japan Demon Slayer, it makes these cinema toons for something between 10-20 Million

https://web.archive.org/web/20201231165034/https://www.the-numbers.com
/movie/Kimetsu-no-Yaiba-Mugen-Ressha-Hen-(2020-Japan)#tab=summary


Box Office = $505 million - 510m box office (so far ...and for each movie)

does not even include the whole Anime / Manga / Tshirt merch sales, which Marvel, DC and StarWars no longer has


Pixar / WB / Disney is currently looking at the movie and not understanding WTF is going on
they will launch another SJW DEI Black islamo transexual version of Superman, Captain Marvel and Ironman and expect the audience to eat it up

the days of launching another bla bla X-Men, Wonder Woman movie and expecting an easy 200 Million Domestic and 200 Million international are over, the days of easy money are long gone

Budgets should be lower and WTF happened with Snow White 270 million remake budget?

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Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:

He's made a lot of poor decisions, sure, but he owns up to them. He had every right at one point to file for Bankruptcy, but he never did that. He just went back to work and took literally any role he was offered to dig himself out of all that debt.

Gotta give him respect for that.

I liked Willy's Wonderland. It wouldn't even be watchable without him in it, and the fact that he doesn't say a single word in the whole movie is a good gimmick for him.

The Color Purple was Okay. I didn't realize it was an H.P. Lovecraft movie until after my dad and I started watching it and when his name popped up I had to pause the movie and apologize ahead of time that it probably wasn't going to be very good. I'd say it's better than your average Lovecraft movie, but still not very good. Another movie that would have been terrible had Cage not been in it, but the movie itself was so crazy that it overshadowed Nic's crazy acting.

I can't even remember the name of the one where he was showing up in people's dreams now. That one had so much potential, but the last 15 minutes were terrible and the ending sucked hard.

And then there's The Surfer. God awful movie that nobody should ever watch.




Raising Arizona Budget $5.5 million
https://www.ranker.com/list/nicolas-cage-movies-and-films-and-filmogra
phy/ranker-film

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Monday, September 22, 2025 5:01 AM

JAYNEZTOWN


10 Fantastic Low-Budget Horror Movies That Made Millions, Ranked
https://collider.com/most-successful-low-budget-horror-movies-ranked/

10 low-budget movies that are still surprisingly popular
https://www.aol.com/lifestyle/10-low-budget-movies-still-175700101.htm
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Thursday, September 25, 2025 8:11 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Anybody ever see Enemy (2013) and not absolutely hate it?

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt2316411/reviews/?featured=rw4854262&r
ef_=tt_ururv_c_3


I think me and the old man walked away from this one even more pissed off at the ending than we did The Surfer, only because as fucking weird as the entire thing was, it was at least intriguing right up until the end.

I don't hate this movie. I know that I'm missing something to be walking away from it without feeling like I have any of the answers. The Surfer made me feel stupid for wasting 90 minutes of my time and my old man's time. The more I think about Enemy, the more I feel stupid for not automatically getting it...


Minor "spoilers" ahead, although I don't think they really matter with a movie like this.

It's a VERY yellow movie. Something I commented on within the first couple of minutes. As much as The Matrix is a Green movie, Enemy is a Yellow movie. However there are several scenes in the movie that do not have this yellow filter applied to them. If I were to watch it again, that is something I would for sure be keeping track of, and figuring what was going different in those scenes compared to the rest of the movie.

Google search tells me that "Yellow in cinema can represent anxiety, madness, frenzy, action, vitality, and can be associated with disease, and is used in action scenes."

Heh... I'd say yellow was "Madness" for the people on the screen, and "Anxiety" for the people watching the screen.

Soundtrack I'm undecided on. Lots of low horns, and at some point I said it reminded me of the OLD Warner Bros. Bugs and Daffy cartoons when they'd use the horns to comedic effect. Many times in the film I was thinking we were just one or two beats away from this turning into a full blown Looney Tunes 40's-50's era cartoon. It never did turn to wacky though, and it probably was a good choice to help manipulate you into a sense of unease and anxiety while watching it. Did I mention this is a weird fucking movie? Oh... and spiders.


This is a movie that I really, really want to like, but I'm going to have to work at it if that's going to happen.

You've got to hand it to them to make something this weird with so few characters. Mullholand Drive and Donnie Darko had a lot of other characters to work off of, and so much more going on.

There are essentially 4 or 5 people in this movie depending on how you count them. And 2 of them have pretty small roles and the 3rd one's screen time is almost non-existent. Jake Gyllenhall is the main focus of the entire run time, and it feels as though the other characters were written in just to be an extension of him.

I know at one point I said "Alright... Can everybody just stop being so fucking weird?". And that was when I'd asked earlier in the movie if anybody in the movie was going to start acting like a human being.

The very rare instance you see an "extra" it's not people doing stuff in the background, but it is somebody who is actually going to interact with the main character(s) with a line or two. That dialogue is either going to be something that seems totally normal but entirely inconsequential on first viewing, or is going to be something so out of left field that I kept thinking "yeah. That's exactly what we needed now. Let's make this nonsense movie even more nonsensical. And the way that Jake takes either type of dialogue in stride with the same same muted and unfazed demeanor makes it all the weirder.

The only part of the movie I can think of where there is more than 2 people on screen at the same time is when Jake's college professor character is speaking in front of his class.

I do think that narcissism plays a very large part of this flick, and the viewer only being witness to any more than one other character in every scene would make a lot of sense here, since he was teaching a class, and it would be one time in a narcissist's life where they actually notice more people in a room than the one or two they're trying to manipulate.


I have to admit, as much as I hated that the movie ended the way it did, I also immediately thought that I hated the movie itself. But I don't. I'm actually really starting to enjoy it now.

It's really got me thinking. I don't know how I'm going to go about figuring this movie. My first thought was to go on YouTube and see some people who's opinions I respect explain it the way they saw it. But I think now I want to watch it again very soon and see if I can pick apart anything more on a 2nd viewing without being tainted by other people's opinions.

I can't give it a rating, and I can't tell you not to watch it anymore than I could advocate that you do. I would say that anybody who filled up their personal top 10 list of favorite flicks with Marvel movies or rom coms probably isn't going to find anything to like here and I could even see quite a few people being angry when the credits abruptly roll. I would ONLY recommend this movie for people who appreciate weird stuff like Lynch and Lovecraft, and even then I still think people in those crowds could leave this one a little miffed.

I have to admit that while I was writing my thoughts about Enemy here my own opinion of the movie was morphing as recollections popped up into my mind.

It's so disjointed. Nothing off the rails like time trips or anything like that. Everything save for one scene is told in chronological order. But the editing... The things that the director focused on... Everything is so strange.

For example, there was a scene where he spends about 12 to 15 seconds in front of two sunglasses carousels while trying on a few pairs of sunglasses and checking them out in a mirror. This happens wordlessly, inside of a muted and nameless storefront, without any other shoppers in the background or employees trying to help him out.

I said "There better be a payoff to that scene. We just watched Jake Gyllenhaal try on sunglasses out of the blue for half a minute and now we're somewhere totally different doing something totally different."

And now that I've seen the whole movie and I know what little I know and I think what little I think, I'd really be paying attention to the significance of the sunglasses on a 2nd viewing as well. He does wear shades quite a bit in the movie, and it probably did ultimately mean something. But you just got hit with 15 more weird edits or lines of dialogue in the last 5 minutes and you already forgot that you were demanding a payoff for the sunglasses scene until 3 hours after you watched the movie.



Oh... and before I posted this, I had gotten to the theory about narcissum and it made me think to ask Google if yellow can symbolize narcissisum.

Here's what I got...

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Yes, yellow can symbolize narcissism, though it is not a direct or universal symbol. This association is based on several symbolic connections and psychological interpretations, from Greek myth to color psychology.

The myth of Narcissus

The most direct link is through the myth of Narcissus, the character from whom the term "narcissism" is derived.

In the myth, Narcissus falls in love with his own reflection and is eventually turned into a flower—the narcissus flower, a genus that includes daffodils.

Daffodils are known for their bright, usually yellow, blooms, which connects the color directly to the origin story of narcissism.

Color psychology and symbolism

In psychological frameworks and cultural interpretation, yellow's duality lends itself to both positive and negative associations.

A "sickly" or deceptive yellow: Some interpretations of narcissistic manipulation identify a "sickly yellow" as a symbol for projection, the defense mechanism where a narcissist blames others for their own flaws.

The dark triad: In the "Atlas of Personality, Emotion and Behaviour," narcissism is visually represented with the color yellow. This framework charts personality and emotional descriptors, including the Dark Triad traits of narcissism, psychopathy, and Machiavellianism.

Ego and confidence: On the positive side, yellow is often associated with confidence, optimism, and ego. In the context of narcissism, a charismatic or charming narcissist might exude a bright, appealing "orange" or "yellow" energy during the love-bombing phase to draw people in. This bright outward appearance masks their deceptive nature, similar to how yellow has historic associations with deceit and cowardice.




Yeah... I'm definitely on to something here.

I don't even want to say anything more because then we'd be headed into major spoiler territory if we go there.


If you like weird shit, check out Enemy. I'd love to hear your thoughts before I figure it out or break down and watch a YouTuber explain it.


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Friday, September 26, 2025 1:23 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


MAJOR SPOILERS FOR ENEMY (Seriously, don't read these if you haven't seen it and you think you'd have any desire to see it):

I watched it again. I don't think I've ever done that and watched the same movie twice in one day. I'm going to now put a TL;DR here, which is repeated at the very bottom of this post and is my final assessment of what this movie actually was after my 2nd viewing. I'd consider the rest of my post "showing the work" to get to this answer.

FINAL RATING: 8.5/10, but this is a very subjective rating on my part. I don't recommend Enemy (2013) to anyone because most people who watch it are going to hate it. Of that I have no doubt. But if you love it, you're really going to love it.



TL;DR

"Enemy"...

Yanno what I think...

I think this was a story about a man that got so good at manipulating everyone around him that before the movie started he got it into his head to use manipulation techniques on himself and was experimenting, possibly with a combination of hypnosis and psychedelic drugs like mushrooms or LSD with the goal of either killing off or walling off a part of himself that he rightfully didn't find desirable, and up until that point had no ability to control. Not only the memory and guilt of his infidelity, but the lust and desire for the infidelity itself as well...

And I think when the movie began, he had already somehow accomplished this. For at least long enough to have gotten close enough back in with his wife that it looked like he probably was going to be able to save the marriage if he played his cards right.

But this version of him was really jealous of the idea that the other version had sex with his wife (to the viewer's knowledge at least, this had not happened up to this point). And he used that belief as justification to take the "other" version's mistress out on a date and have his way with her as revenge. (Possibly emphasizing beyond him just kind of being a Dickhead to this point that he had managed to bury his sinful Lust, with equally sinful Wrath). Petty and what amounts to total nonsense if you were still looking at this movie as if both Jakes were two different people as almost everyone certainly was the first time viewing it.

My point is, until there was a rage inside of "Dickhead" and a desire for revenge, it didn't appear that this version of Jake had any real recollection let alone remorse for cheating on his wife. I don't think whatever he did to himself left a great personality behind for his wife to deal with overall, but the guilt of his infidelity as well as the desire for more was successfully gone.

... until it wasn't.

And our mild-mannered "good guy" protagonist comes out of the woodwork of the deep, dark recesses of Jake's suppressed mind. The "good guy" version is actually the "bad guy".

Sure... he was the suppressed guilt. He was the part of Jake that his wife literally sat up and took notice of as she could immediately tell that he had changed and he was genuinely sorry for what he did. The part of Jake that she could believe actually felt sorry for what he did and would do anything to make it up to her.

But at the same time, he was also the suppressed lust. Though old boy "Dickhead" never had it in him to give his wife a genuine apology, he probably would have remained faithful to her for the rest of his life.

But once our "hero" Jake takes over and says he was sorry and had himself a good cry, it didn't take very long for his entire persona to shift right back to where it was before he got caught cheating. New secret plans to go out and fuck around on her at another meeting had fallen literally into his lap, and were waiting for him all the while, and his wife again became the spider.



If that is the movie I just watched twice, or something very close to it, well played, Sirs.

Even if it isn't, it probably gets the same grade out of me. I don't think I can give it less than an 8/10 either way. It's not the first movie that made me think this much, but it's the first movie I've seen in a long time that made me want to try and figure it out. As much as I liked Under the Silver Lake, I don't think I've ever watched it a 2nd time to try to figure out all the mysteries years later.

That's right. I give it an 8/10. Just for the experience I got out of it. Maybe even a 9/10.

But that still isn't a recommendation from me. Far from it, in fact. I really do believe that most people who watch this movie are going to hate this movie.









My notes that got me to that conclusion...

I'd really have to watch 3rd time with a notebook and be constantly writing down new things as I saw them, and really track things down by the minute to figure this one out.

The sunglasses thing didn't appear to have any payoff actually, other than him using them on several occasions where he might be doing something that would warrant at least a small attempt at blending in unseen... is what I thought until I see them late in the movie on a nightstand where they shouldn't have been. Continuity errors like that happen all the time in movies and shows and none of us even notice it, but in a film like this I don't believe anything showed up on camera that wasn't intentionally there for you to see if you were looking for it.

I can't say for sure if this is a story of a guy who went nutty and developed two distinct personalities and somehow managed to live two different lives simultaneously or not, but I'm certainly leaning towards no on that. I don't believe this is a "Fight Club" situation. It just couldn't possibly be.

I'm like 99.9999% on two things here.

1. There is no doppelganger situation going on here. There is only One Body that Jake Gyllenhaal is playing in this movie.

2. Jake cheated on his pregnant wife some time before the movie, and she's very much aware of it.


Things I'm not clear on are stuff that people in his life say to him that would make certain things seem like they actually ARE real, while much of the things we're seeing from our lying narrator are fabrications.

When his mom calls him in the beginning (in his professor persona), she thanks him for having her over and talks down about his apartment... You get the sense that it was a downgrade from whatever his previous place was or something similar. This is over the phone so you don't see her at all, but when you do meet her one time during the middle of the film, you see that she is living a rather opulent lifestyle, and on my 2nd viewing I noticed there was a piece of art she had hung on one of her walls that showed what looked to be a painting of her face when she was much younger in what was clearly a movie poster from a long time ago. Mom came from money and probably would look down on that apartment. And that's after dealing with the fact that her son's marriage is on the rocks because he couldn't keep his fly up.

What you think is his live-in girlfriend appears to be the actual woman he was cheating on his wife with, and she didn't even live with him after he got kicked out of his wife's much nicer apartment.


I said after the first watch that everything was being told in chronological order, but that was when I was thinking this was a split personality "Fight Club" scenario.

I think the split personality angle is really possible here too, but in order for that to work, everything would have to be coming together out chronological order. If this was a story about a man figuring out he had a split personality...

Oh wow... Yeah... I think that's probably it.

And the personality that initially won and was in control was the more aggressive, assertive and the bigger dick of the two.

THAT is how the movie begins for us.

The mild mannered version of him that he was trying to leave behind with his ex-Mistress that he nearly ruined his marriage with was waking up and trying to get out.

The "Dickhead" version of him was married. He was also a teacher all along, which would explain some of the weird shit that people in his life said to him when it didn't make any sense at all from our vantage point and when we were being led to believe there were two distinct people here... One being a college professor and the other being a not very successful actor who you assume had to do a lot of side gigs or was a trust fund baby.

His very much in control "Dickhead" side was a Professor at a college, but he also made his own website with some Glamorshots of his mug on it, and was still trying to chase that dream of being a movie star like Mom was, even though he was getting pretty old at this point and I think the idea was that people in his life were starting to think it was getting a little pathetic that he wouldn't just focus on his teaching job and finally let that dream die. After all, he'd only had 3 minor film credits to his name like "Bellhop #3", and you could tell that the headshot he was still using on his website was from quite a few years younger than he currently was too.


This explains some of the things that his wife said to him when he was the "mild mannered professor", and some of the looks she was giving him while she was getting him to come to bed with her...

She knew. She probably didn't know that she was dealing with two distinct personalities here, but she noticed a true change in her husband. A real sense of remorse for what he did to her. Something that "Dickhead" version never expressed to her. She asked him how school was, and not long after she told him that she wanted him to stay.

And while that was going on, "Dickhead" version was arguing in the car with the ex-mistress before they both got in a car crash and died, and the camera zooms in on one of the destroyed windows which is cracked so badly from a focal point that it looks like a spider web (something I didn't realize until the 2nd viewing).

But we quickly figure out the new personality wasn't any better than the old one... and the Spiders never went away.



Bah... It's just still too open ended though. That's not wrapping it up in a tight little bow. If our narrator is a liar, who knows what was real and what wasn't? His wife couldn't have possibly gone to the school to check out the "Doppleganger" that worked there and be so shocked when she saw him and he didn't recognize her at all. It could make sense when we believed they were two different people, but he IS a school teacher. That entire scene all had to be part of the fever dream. The part of him he was trying to bury away in his mind with his mistake. His GUILT.


Man... I don't know...

Then there is the symbolism of the strange "meetings" we see in the beginning that are referenced twice more in the film. Even stranger when they directly and very purposefully attach themselves to the overall theme of spiders in the movie.

I was going to say that they probably weren't meant to be taken literally as we were shown in the beginning of the movie because it wouldn't make any sense for a man of his "caliber" would ever be invited to something like that... But then I just remembered his mom was a faded Hollywood starlet herself. I think it would be very unlikely she would be setting him up with the people having those meetings, but he would have grown up in the lifestyle and certainly could have made some friends that could get him into rich people club events from time to time, even if they couldn't land him any decent movie roles.


SERIOUS SPOILER ALERT (Whether I'm right or wrong, reading anything below will ruin the movie for you if you haven't watched it yet):

Strippers at the "Grove" style meeting stepping on the obscenely large spider in the beginning of the movie was something that those men all saw as part of an act at what was probably a semi-regular weekend get away with a lot of cheating going on... Rich men with wives back home that probably all knew what their husbands did, but were willing to put up with it because of the lifestyle they have and what could happen to it if they didn't look the other way.

The spider was symbolic of his marriage. Of his wife. Of all of their marriages and their wives. This scene was probably the very beginning of a weekend full of adventure, and the stepping on of that massive spider was symbolic of leaving their wives and lives behind, if only for the weekend.

Woman walking past him down a very yellow lit hotel corridor, naked save for what would look like a motorcycle helmet if it weren't a spider head appears as if she's walking on the ceiling, but if you were looking closely enough you realized the camera was filming at 180 degrees and it was actually Jake that was walking on the ceiling past her.

Terrifying monster looking spider walking across the skyline we've seen several times earlier in the movie, as if this just turned into another unexpected Cloverfield tie-in. But the last time we see that skyway, the spider isn't there anymore.

But then SPIDER!!!!! THE END.




This is a hugely metaphoric story about a deeply flawed narcissus nepo-baby, who is possibly also dealing with Dissociative Identity Disorder or is just extremely imaginative. Who finally accepted, wrestled with and moved past the guilt of cheating on his wife and somehow managed to fix the relationship. But then immediately after finally finding the forgiveness he had been seeking for quite some time before the movie begins, he wastes no time and goes right back to cheating and betraying all the promises he just made to her and their wedding vows a 2nd time.


Quote from the movie:

Quote:

"It was Hegel that said that all the greatest world events happen twice. And then Karl Marx added: the first time it was a tragedy and the second time it was a farce."


Jake is a Narcissist in this movie and OF COURSE one of the GREATEST WORLD EVENTS would be in his own life.



And this brings up memories of other quotes. Though he changes the words up in the two scenes and you get the sense that they took place at least 1 semester apart with a new class hearing it the second time, he is wrapping up class both times while speaking about dictatorships and control, and some of the methods by which dictators successfully control their people.



"Enemy"...

Yanno what I think...

I think this was a story about a man that got so good at manipulating everyone around him that before the movie started he got it into his head to use manipulation techniques on himself and was experimenting, possibly with a combination of hypnosis and psychedelic drugs like mushrooms or LSD with the goal of either killing off or walling off a part of himself that he rightfully didn't find desirable, and up until that point had no ability to control. Not only the memory and guilt of his infidelity, but the lust and desire for the infidelity itself as well...

And I think when the movie began, he had already somehow accomplished this. For at least long enough to have gotten close enough back in with his wife that it looked like he probably was going to be able to save the marriage if he played his cards right.

But this version of him was really jealous of the idea that the other version had sex with his wife (to the viewer's knowledge at least, this had not happened up to this point). And he used that belief as justification to take the "other" version's mistress out on a date and have his way with her as revenge. (Possibly emphasizing beyond him just kind of being a Dickhead to this point that he had managed to bury his sinful Lust, with equally sinful Wrath). Petty and what amounts to total nonsense if you were still looking at this movie as if both Jakes were two different people as almost everyone certainly was the first time viewing it.

My point is, until there was a rage inside of "Dickhead" and a desire for revenge, it didn't appear that this version of Jake had any real recollection let alone remorse for cheating on his wife. I don't think whatever he did to himself left a great personality behind for his wife to deal with overall, but the guilt of his infidelity as well as the desire for more was successfully gone.

... until it wasn't.

And our mild-mannered "good guy" protagonist comes out of the woodwork of the deep, dark recesses of Jake's suppressed mind. The "good guy" version is actually the "bad guy".

Sure... he was the suppressed guilt. He was the part of Jake that his wife literally sat up and took notice of as she could immediately tell that he had changed and he was genuinely sorry for what he did. The part of Jake that she could believe actually felt sorry for what he did and would do anything to make it up to her.

But at the same time, he was also the suppressed lust. Though old boy "Dickhead" never had it in him to give his wife a genuine apology, he probably would have remained faithful to her for the rest of his life.

But once our "hero" Jake takes over and says he was sorry and had himself a good cry, it didn't take very long for his entire persona to shift right back to where it was before he got caught cheating. New secret plans to go out and fuck around on her at another meeting had fallen literally into his lap, and were waiting for him all the while, and his wife again became the spider.

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Friday, September 26, 2025 2:11 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


FINAL SPOILER ALERT FOR ENEMY:

One more thing I thought of regarding the spiders. Though they make no mention or even any hint that I could tell that Upper Class/Rich ex-Hollywood (possibly wannabe) Starlet Mom was a "Black Widow" herself, she's wearing all black and there is a LOT of black in the decor surrounding her in Isabella Rossellini's only on-screen scene. And there is never an appearance or even mention of Jake's father in the movie.

Perhaps there's even deeper levels here and our boy Jake saw his mom do something pretty heinous when he was too young to really process it, and subconsciously he worries that one day his own wife will have enough of his bullshit and do the same thing to him. Or maybe he didn't see anything and was completely oblivious to it when he was young, but once it happened a few more times a lot of people started whispering things that I would imagine would be quite damaging to a young impressionable mind when they're all saying it about his mother.

It would easily work into the story and would at least put a 2x multiplier on the meaning of the spiders in the film. Now we're not only talking about the spider luring him into the web (his subconscious feelings about being married to anyone in general, and not specifically his wife), but now we're also talking about the woman he married having her way with him while he's stuck in her web until the eventual day finally comes around where he is decapitated and eaten by her in the end. And with the amount of guilt he feels for what he does he seems to be content resigning himself to that fate because he feels that he deserves it.



I mean... come on...

I just went back to look at that scene again on YT to see if it really was as black as I remember it.



Just look at that thumbnail.

Mom's all dressed in black. There's black on the outskirts (and you can see the framed movie poster of Mom when she was young on the left side).

But it's all bright and lit up white in the center of the room. Jake is sitting in the Black Widow's den, but the only reason he's safe is because he's her son. I think those black lights above the dining room table might even signify her fallen prey. Do I count 1, 2, 3 dead husbands hanging up there?

And all that white behind them, right behind the DINING ROOM TABLE is her Webbing.

Take a look at what's back there in the White. I see shelves with paint and brushes on them. Easels... Canvas... Ornate picture frames waiting to be fit over the finished work.

The spider, always weaving her web.






And then... On the flip side... I don't recall his pregnant wife he cheated on wearing much of anything besides white. The mistress wears black. All the time. Blue jeans at times, but always with a black top. Sometimes wearing a sexy black dress.

Maybe this goes even one step further and insinuates that he's following exactly in his father's footsteps and he will end up just like his father did. And it also means that he is destined to damage his wife so badly that he will turn what is only his projections onto her into reality, and that was what happened to his mother.

After you realize what is really going on in this movie and Jake's wife doesn't come off as an alien life form or A.I. program that doesn't quite understand how human interactions work for saying the things that she does when she says them, she actually comes off as quite a sweet woman and somebody that most any man would proudly call a wife. Maybe they're saying that Isabella Rosselini's character was once just like her, until her cheater of a husband turned her heart cold and after years of emotional abuse, betrayal and infidelity she killed him... and then found out that she kind of liked it and made it a regular thing, especially since it seems to have been quite lucrative. Perhaps my earlier assumptions were wrong and the reason he got into a few of those "Grove" meetings wasn't because of his Mom being an ex-starlet, and the much more likely scenario is that one or both of his two deceased step-fathers were powerful Harvey Weinstein types before they met their untimely demise?

And maybe they're saying that if Jake keeps doing what he's doing that he's dooming his once and currently still virtuous wife to the same fate as what befell his own mother, and himself to the same fate of his father?

And history repeating itself, in this instance generationally, is something I already mentioned above when I referenced this quote this from the movie:

Quote:

"It was Hegel that said that all the greatest world events happen twice. And then Karl Marx added: the first time it was a tragedy and the second time it was a farce."

Jake is a Narcissist in this movie and OF COURSE one of the GREATEST WORLD EVENTS would be in his own life.






Man... this was a really good movie.




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Friday, September 26, 2025 3:32 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Another quote from the movie, which was just words put on the screen in the beginning of the movie and never quoted by one of the characters stuck out to me for that very reason, and I rewound and paused it just so I could take it in before the movie started...

"Chaos is order yet undeciphered."


And they did not attribute that quote to anyone... So I just looked it up on Google:

Quote:


Understanding the concept

Order within chaos:
The phrase suggests that chaos isn't a lack of order, but rather an unknown or complex form of it.

Limited perception:
Our inability to grasp this underlying order is due to the limitations of our perception or current knowledge. We see things from a subjective viewpoint, which can make complex systems appear chaotic.

A call to decipher:
The phrase challenges people to look beyond the surface of apparent disorder and seek the hidden structure or meaning within it.


Examples and Context

The film Enemy:
The quote appears in the movie Enemy (2013), which explores themes of duality and identity. It's used to set up the idea that the protagonist's seemingly chaotic life might have a hidden, underlying pattern.

Philosophical implications:
The idea has philosophical roots, such as in José Saramago's The Double (from which the film is adapted), and relates to the idea that what seems messy is just order that hasn't been deciphered.

Figurative meaning:
In a broader sense, it can apply to any complex situation, like a messy system or historical event, where deeper insight could reveal a hidden order



Seems as though the philosophical idea itself has been around a long time, but the direct quote was made up by somebody who was involved with this movie, or at least Google's AI didn't see fit to attribute it to anyone or mention that it was used somewhere else in those exact words before Enemy was released.


If I'm right about all of this, than bringing order to chaos is what I just did with my Thursday night.

How'd you spend yours?



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Monday, September 29, 2025 6:46 AM

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the Fool 2014

Dima Nikitin, a plumber, is a municipal repair-crew chief living in an unnamed Russian town

https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x8hrjxj

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Monday, September 29, 2025 6:50 AM

JAYNEZTOWN


Shifty Living in Britain at the End of the Twentieth Century...a movie and tv series, a 2025 five-part British documentary television series created by Adam Curtis


or

Africa Blood and Guts from 1966, Africa Addio the Italian mondo documentary film


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Monday, September 29, 2025 6:55 AM

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2004 Darwin's Nightmare


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Monday, September 29, 2025 6:56 AM

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American Factory Trailer



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Wednesday, October 1, 2025 11:06 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


So nobody's ever seen Enemy?




I'm actually glad my TV was small enough where the thumbnail for the movie poster wasn't really decipherable. It would have really blunted the impact of one scene in particular that made me think this movie was going somewhere completely different on the first viewing. Possibly many more.

I really do prefer knowing as little as I possibly can going into a movie, and taking the word of somebody who's opinion I respect, both on their taste in movies and just life in general, before devoting my time to watching one.

Going in blind is the only way you can have the genuine experience.

Movie trailers are for movies I know I'm never going to watch, or for digging up relics of my past.




I would love to hear what anybody else thinks about Enemy if they have already seen it or they decide to devote the time to watching it.

I still haven't watched a video explaining it or looking up anything written about it online. I haven't made up my mind whether or not I want devote more time to unraveling it all on my own, and I see no reason to rush it. I don't want to be tainted by theories of other people who have already spread their theory out there, but I'd enjoy hearing the thoughts of somebody else who saw it and what they think is going on.


If it's as tightly crafted as I suspect it might have been, this is a pretty cool puzzle they made which requires you to shape all the pieces yourself and end up with a perfect rectangle without any missing, extra or overlapping pieces.

Even with all that figuring the other night, I know that I haven't succeeded in that.

I'll be pissed at myself one day if I find out that I'm giving this film way more credit than it deserves and there wasn't any care put into any sort of "puzzle" and they just threw a bunch of weird shit in any old way to make a weird movie that makes all the critic fart sniffers give it their flowery prose about how Stunning and Intellectual it was.


I don't know why, but I don't think that's the case here.

I can't remember when or how, but at some point while looking up the movie on IMDB I gleaned that the director that made this was kind of a big deal (most likely a sidebar thumbnail or something I saw when I was grabbing the link for my first post about the movie).

I heard he directed "Arrival". I know a lot of people thought very highly of that, although I've never seen it. I remember my Dad being especially impressed with it. I should ask him if he wants to watch that next and then tell him that it was the same director that did Enemy and see what he thinks when I drop that truth bomb on him.

So... I just looked now, and Denis Villeneuve did both of the recent Dune movies, Blade Runner 2049, something called Prisoners (which I definitely have to see), and a few others that I've actually heard of earlier in his career.

I've never seen one of his movies before Enemy. Never even knew his name until after I saw it, and only committed it to memory in the last 20 minutes.

Now I just have to decide if I watch Arrival next, or if I go with one of his earlier, lesser known works before I go straight to his critically acclaimed and fairly mainstream works.


This dude made my Old Man really think after he'd watched Arrival years ago. I don't exactly remember why and what he specifically said he liked about it, but I think he told me that it had the idea that because most people only know one language they are very limited in their capacity to think? Maybe something involving human beings learning the alien's language and all of the sudden it's like they're geniuses that are thinking on a higher plane than any human who hadn't learned the language. I think that's right. It's an interesting premise for sure, and I'm not surprised that would have stuck with me from some random phone conversation I had with Dad the better part of a decade ago.

I'm really hoping that I'm right here and that every plot point, every strange cinematography choice, every odd line of dialogue, every set piece... just the whole thing, was meticulously planned out and designed in such a way where when you actually figure it out, there is not a single one of the above that can't be explained within the context of all the other puzzle pieces and what they mean in relation to each other.

A Perfect Rectangle.

I'm usually way more cynical than this...

I want to know why I'm not just assuming the worst here and figuring that it was all just a bunch of weird bullshit thrown in a blender for the retards that give out awards at shows that everybody stopped watching a long time ago.



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