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10 Cloverfield Lane
Saturday, March 19, 2016 7:55 PM
AURAPTOR
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Sunday, March 20, 2016 11:41 AM
WISHIMAY
Sunday, March 20, 2016 3:43 PM
JEWELSTAITEFAN
Quote:Originally posted by AURaptor: John Goodman rocked. Mary Elizabeth Winstead is a doll. The movie ? Suspenseful, to be sure. I won't even comment on the title , but the movie does leave ya guessing , through out. Kinda reminded me of MOON, for those who saw that flick. It was and wasn't what I expected, which doesn't explain much. I liked it.
Sunday, March 20, 2016 4:50 PM
SHINYGOODGUY
Sunday, March 20, 2016 5:08 PM
Quote:Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN: Quote:Originally posted by AURaptor: John Goodman rocked. Mary Elizabeth Winstead is a doll. The movie ? Suspenseful, to be sure. I won't even comment on the title , but the movie does leave ya guessing , through out. Kinda reminded me of MOON, for those who saw that flick. It was and wasn't what I expected, which doesn't explain much. I liked it. I normally enjoy and seek out Mary Elizabeth Winstead flicks, at least since Quinten and DH4, but from what trailers I've seen, her role appears like window dressing. But I should check it out after your post. Should I see the first film beforehand?
Sunday, March 20, 2016 5:16 PM
Sunday, March 20, 2016 7:23 PM
SECOND
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two
Quote:Originally posted by Wishimay: I'd like to know the end of the story, but I won't see it in theater.
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Monday, March 21, 2016 4:53 AM
Quote:Originally posted by second: Quote:Originally posted by Wishimay: I'd like to know the end of the story, but I won't see it in theater. The review at http://moria.co.nz/sciencefiction/10-cloverfield-lane-2016.htm says, in part: A point of comparison might by Xavier Gens’s The Divide (2011), a brutally harrowing story that had a group of people imprisoned in a cellar after the advent of a nuclear war. That was a film that pushed as far as it could go and scoured the depths of the human condition. By contrast, 10 Cloverfield Lane seems far tamer. Dan Trachtenberg generates a reasonable level of tension but Mary Elizabeth Winstead’s feeling of imprisonment, of just how much we feel we should not trust John Goodman never seems to hang on a knife-edge (although there is at least one good shock three-quarters of the way through the film). And then there is the ending. Many audiences called it a WTF ending but I have seen too many similar things done in recent years. {PLOT SPOILERS}. Select to view spoiler: We get alien ships of ill-explained purpose, there is a moderately upbeat finale where Mary Elizabeth Winstead destroys one of the ships and then sets off to join the resistance. A good WTF ending either comes as a jaw-dropping surprise or throws everything that has gone before on its head but this is more one that leaves you with a dissatisfied feeling of wanting to know more about what is going on. The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
Monday, March 21, 2016 9:27 AM
Quote:Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY: I totally disagree with the review and what is said about the ending. Plus there is a way of reviewing the film without giving away spoilers, this one, I feel, was an amateurish attempt at critiquing the film and including audience reactions to justify the overall critique. SGG
Monday, March 21, 2016 6:05 PM
Quote:Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY: Quote:Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN: Quote:Originally posted by AURaptor: John Goodman rocked. Mary Elizabeth Winstead is a doll. The movie ? Suspenseful, to be sure. I won't even comment on the title , but the movie does leave ya guessing , through out. Kinda reminded me of MOON, for those who saw that flick. It was and wasn't what I expected, which doesn't explain much. I liked it. I normally enjoy and seek out Mary Elizabeth Winstead flicks, at least since Quinten and DH4, but from what trailers I've seen, her role appears like window dressing. But I should check it out after your post. Should I see the first film beforehand? Mary Elizabeth Winstead, how do I love thee? Let me count the ways. First saw her in Scott Pilgrim v. The World and I was hooked. Then in Live Free or Die Hard, furthered my undying love for her. She is awesome! And no, she is not window dressing..........she is just fine. I won't say more than that, NO Spoilers. SGG
Thursday, March 24, 2016 3:49 AM
Quote:Originally posted by second: Quote:Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY: I totally disagree with the review and what is said about the ending. Plus there is a way of reviewing the film without giving away spoilers, this one, I feel, was an amateurish attempt at critiquing the film and including audience reactions to justify the overall critique. SGG The http://moria.co.nz reviewer did rate the movie 3 stars, meaning “Fair But Not Great”. I guess it is hard to keep up your enthusiasm for 10 Cloverfield Lane when it is not an outright Cloverfield sequel but rather, as Abrams has put it, a “spiritual successor,” which is pure marketing BS. It would have been the same movie if honestly called 10 Cornfield Lane. The original Cloverfield got only 2½ stars in a much more detailed review. http://moria.co.nz/sciencefiction/cloverfield-2008.htm After reviewing one genre movie a day for 20 years, all Science Fiction or Horror or Fantasy, http://moria.co.nz has seen every cinematic and marketing trick humanity knows for those kinds of movies. Some old tricks and recycled story endings are not appreciated by a critic after the tenth time. Critic's Amnesia is the only cure for a certain kind of movie jadedness. The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
Thursday, March 24, 2016 3:55 AM
Thursday, March 24, 2016 5:17 AM
MOOSE
Thursday, March 24, 2016 9:23 AM
Quote:Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY: I agree with the capsule review in moria.co.nz but I have a much better review from the website Roger Ebert.com by Brian Tallerico................ http://www.rogerebert.com/reviews/10-cloverfield-lane-2016 Now that's how you present a review with little to no spoilers. I really thought he hit the mark regarding the movie. . . . I would lean toward that secret ingredient that makes the Colonel's fried chicken so finger-licking good. SGG
Friday, March 25, 2016 8:56 PM
Quote:Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN: I normally enjoy and seek out Mary Elizabeth Winstead flicks, at least since Quinten and DH4, but from what trailers I've seen, her role appears like window dressing. But I should check it out after your post. Should I see the first film beforehand?
Saturday, March 26, 2016 1:57 AM
Quote:Originally posted by Moose: She was the one in the cheerleader outfit in Death Proof. I had to be dragged to see Cloverfield Lane as the trailers really didn't do much for me. But ultimately, I enjoyed it. Not great enough to buy for my home library, but I'll rent it to see what I missed the first time around.
Saturday, March 26, 2016 2:54 AM
Quote:Originally posted by second: Now I understand why you dislike the Moria website. It is for people making movies, not people casually watching movies. Take for example the review of The Little Prince (2015), a movie that Moria covered the day after 10 Cloverfield Lane. http://moria.co.nz/fantasy/little-prince-2015.htm Notice that the very first thing in the review is a list of the people who made the movie: Director, Writer, Producer. Then Actors. Then a one paragraph summary of the plot. That plot summary ought to make you think of SPOILERS! That is nothing like how thousands of reviewers or www.rogerebert.com are organized, where rogerebert actually wrote about 10 Cloverfield Lane: "I will tread very lightly in the review to follow, but I won’t be hurt if you want to click away right about now. Come back after you've seen it." If www.rogerebert.com is analogous to eating KFC fried chicken out of the bucket, moria is watching the chicken being slaughtered and fried and then tasting it.Quote:Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY: I agree with the capsule review in moria.co.nz but I have a much better review from the website Roger Ebert.com by Brian Tallerico................ http://www.rogerebert.com/reviews/10-cloverfield-lane-2016 Now that's how you present a review with little to no spoilers. I really thought he hit the mark regarding the movie. . . . I would lean toward that secret ingredient that makes the Colonel's fried chicken so finger-licking good. SGG The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
Saturday, March 26, 2016 4:26 PM
Quote:Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY: You saw her first in Pilgrim (2010) and then in DH4 (2007)? Reverse that...............DH4, then Pilgrim. I don't remember her in Death Proof, I must go back and watch it again. I know that she was in Final Destination 3, but it's not my cup of tea. I think she would make an awesome action hero, perhaps one of those YA novels turned blockbuster franchise. SGG
Saturday, March 26, 2016 4:29 PM
Quote:Originally posted by second: Now I understand why you dislike the Moria website. It is for people making movies, not people casually watching movies. Take for example the review of The Little Prince (2015), a movie that Moria covered the day after 10 Cloverfield Lane. http://moria.co.nz/fantasy/little-prince-2015.htm Notice that the very first thing in the review is a list of the people who made the movie: Director, Writer, Producer. Then Actors. Then a one paragraph summary of the plot. That plot summary ought to make you think of SPOILERS! That is nothing like how thousands of reviewers or www.rogerebert.com are organized, where rogerebert actually wrote about 10 Cloverfield Lane: "I will tread very lightly in the review to follow, but I won’t be hurt if you want to click away right about now. Come back after you've seen it." If www.rogerebert.com is analogous to eating KFC fried chicken out of the bucket, moria is watching the chicken being slaughtered and fried and then tasting it.Quote:Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY: I agree with the capsule review in moria.co.nz but I have a much better review from the website Roger Ebert.com by Brian Tallerico................ http://www.rogerebert.com/reviews/10-cloverfield-lane-2016 Now that's how you present a review with little to no spoilers. I really thought he hit the mark regarding the movie. . . . I would lean toward that secret ingredient that makes the Colonel's fried chicken so finger-licking good. SGG
Saturday, March 26, 2016 4:37 PM
Quote:Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY: For instance, someone might mention Mary Elizabeth's other movies, but may not do so for Jennifer Lawrence, a more well-known actor. SGG
Sunday, March 27, 2016 2:58 AM
Quote:Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN: Quote:Originally posted by second: Now I understand why you dislike the Moria website. It is for people making movies, not people casually watching movies. Take for example the review of The Little Prince (2015), a movie that Moria covered the day after 10 Cloverfield Lane. http://moria.co.nz/fantasy/little-prince-2015.htm Notice that the very first thing in the review is a list of the people who made the movie: Director, Writer, Producer. Then Actors. Then a one paragraph summary of the plot. That plot summary ought to make you think of SPOILERS! That is nothing like how thousands of reviewers or www.rogerebert.com are organized, where rogerebert actually wrote about 10 Cloverfield Lane: "I will tread very lightly in the review to follow, but I won’t be hurt if you want to click away right about now. Come back after you've seen it." If www.rogerebert.com is analogous to eating KFC fried chicken out of the bucket, moria is watching the chicken being slaughtered and fried and then tasting it.Quote:Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY: I agree with the capsule review in moria.co.nz but I have a much better review from the website Roger Ebert.com by Brian Tallerico................ http://www.rogerebert.com/reviews/10-cloverfield-lane-2016 Now that's how you present a review with little to no spoilers. I really thought he hit the mark regarding the movie. . . . I would lean toward that secret ingredient that makes the Colonel's fried chicken so finger-licking good. SGG Does rogerebert discuss the endings of every film, or are there some films that are not SPOILERed?
Sunday, March 27, 2016 3:32 AM
Quote:Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN: Quote:Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY: For instance, someone might mention Mary Elizabeth's other movies, but may not do so for Jennifer Lawrence, a more well-known actor. SGG This strikes me as a narrow point of view. All of the Mary Elizabeth films I mentioned above are 2011 or prior, and few would argue that Jennifer Lawrence was as well known prior to 2012 with the release of Hunger Games.
Monday, March 28, 2016 6:57 PM
Quote:Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY: Quote:Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN: Quote:Originally posted by second: Now I understand why you dislike the Moria website. It is for people making movies, not people casually watching movies. Take for example the review of The Little Prince (2015), a movie that Moria covered the day after 10 Cloverfield Lane. http://moria.co.nz/fantasy/little-prince-2015.htm Notice that the very first thing in the review is a list of the people who made the movie: Director, Writer, Producer. Then Actors. Then a one paragraph summary of the plot. That plot summary ought to make you think of SPOILERS! That is nothing like how thousands of reviewers or www.rogerebert.com are organized, where rogerebert actually wrote about 10 Cloverfield Lane: "I will tread very lightly in the review to follow, but I won’t be hurt if you want to click away right about now. Come back after you've seen it." If www.rogerebert.com is analogous to eating KFC fried chicken out of the bucket, moria is watching the chicken being slaughtered and fried and then tasting it.Quote:Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY: I agree with the capsule review in moria.co.nz but I have a much better review from the website Roger Ebert.com by Brian Tallerico................ http://www.rogerebert.com/reviews/10-cloverfield-lane-2016 Now that's how you present a review with little to no spoilers. I really thought he hit the mark regarding the movie. . . . I would lean toward that secret ingredient that makes the Colonel's fried chicken so finger-licking good. SGG Does rogerebert discuss the endings of every film, or are there some films that are not SPOILERed? One that comes to mind is not revealing spoilers (he was careful not to). SGG
Monday, March 28, 2016 7:06 PM
Quote:Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY: Quote:Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN: Quote:Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY: For instance, someone might mention Mary Elizabeth's other movies, but may not do so for Jennifer Lawrence, a more well-known actor. SGG This strikes me as a narrow point of view. All of the Mary Elizabeth films I mentioned above are 2011 or prior, and few would argue that Jennifer Lawrence was as well known prior to 2012 with the release of Hunger Games. Jennifer Lawrence (finally freed of having to play a perpetual teenager in the Hunger Games series) stars as Joy, In the above review, the writer mentions the Hunger Games, but the context is providing a juxtaposition to the film being reviewed. The Hunger Games is YA movie and Joy is more of an adult movie who's character, may or may not, provide a more sophisticated POV. A more complex portrayal. SGG
Tuesday, March 29, 2016 5:42 AM
Quote:Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN: Quote:Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY: Quote:Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN: Quote:Originally posted by second: Now I understand why you dislike the Moria website. It is for people making movies, not people casually watching movies. Take for example the review of The Little Prince (2015), a movie that Moria covered the day after 10 Cloverfield Lane. http://moria.co.nz/fantasy/little-prince-2015.htm Notice that the very first thing in the review is a list of the people who made the movie: Director, Writer, Producer. Then Actors. Then a one paragraph summary of the plot. That plot summary ought to make you think of SPOILERS! That is nothing like how thousands of reviewers or www.rogerebert.com are organized, where rogerebert actually wrote about 10 Cloverfield Lane: "I will tread very lightly in the review to follow, but I won’t be hurt if you want to click away right about now. Come back after you've seen it." If www.rogerebert.com is analogous to eating KFC fried chicken out of the bucket, moria is watching the chicken being slaughtered and fried and then tasting it.Quote:Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY: I agree with the capsule review in moria.co.nz but I have a much better review from the website Roger Ebert.com by Brian Tallerico................ http://www.rogerebert.com/reviews/10-cloverfield-lane-2016 Now that's how you present a review with little to no spoilers. I really thought he hit the mark regarding the movie. . . . I would lean toward that secret ingredient that makes the Colonel's fried chicken so finger-licking good. SGG Does rogerebert discuss the endings of every film, or are there some films that are not SPOILERed? One that comes to mind is not revealing spoilers (he was careful not to). SGG Gotta throw the Challenge Flag on that one. You are totally full of poo. He prominently SPOILERED Kick-Ass and proudly proclaimed that he did so intentionally. The only way to avoid having the movie ruined for viewers was to avoid rogerebert and any and all discussion with or about him - which I have faithfully done ever since. And have been the better off for it. He was a disgraceful sack of poo and you should feel the same for promoting him.
Tuesday, March 29, 2016 5:48 AM
Quote:Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN: Quote:Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY: Quote:Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN: Quote:Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY: For instance, someone might mention Mary Elizabeth's other movies, but may not do so for Jennifer Lawrence, a more well-known actor. SGG This strikes me as a narrow point of view. All of the Mary Elizabeth films I mentioned above are 2011 or prior, and few would argue that Jennifer Lawrence was as well known prior to 2012 with the release of Hunger Games. Jennifer Lawrence (finally freed of having to play a perpetual teenager in the Hunger Games series) stars as Joy, In the above review, the writer mentions the Hunger Games, but the context is providing a juxtaposition to the film being reviewed. The Hunger Games is YA movie and Joy is more of an adult movie who's character, may or may not, provide a more sophisticated POV. A more complex portrayal. SGG I guess the "reviewer" may have not noticed such portrayals in films like American Hustle or Silver Linings Playbook, not like she won any MAJOR AWARDS for her work in those. For providing examples of your counterpoint, you are kinda dragging, dude. It seems JLaw is not a well-known actor to this reviewer.
Tuesday, March 29, 2016 7:01 PM
Quote:Originally posted by second: Quote:Originally posted by Wishimay: I'd like to know the end of the story, but I won't see it in theater. The review at http://moria.co.nz/sciencefiction/10-cloverfield-lane-2016.htm says, in part: A point of comparison might by Xavier Gens’s The Divide (2011), a brutally harrowing story that had a group of people imprisoned in a cellar after the advent of a nuclear war. That was a film that pushed as far as it could go and scoured the depths of the human condition. By contrast, 10 Cloverfield Lane seems far tamer. Dan Trachtenberg generates a reasonable level of tension but Mary Elizabeth Winstead’s feeling of imprisonment, of just how much we feel we should not trust John Goodman never seems to hang on a knife-edge (although there is at least one good shock three-quarters of the way through the film). And then there is the ending. Many audiences called it a WTF ending but I have seen too many similar things done in recent years. {PLOT SPOILERS}. Select to view spoiler: We get alien ships of ill-explained purpose, there is a moderately upbeat finale where Mary Elizabeth Winstead destroys one of the ships and then sets off to join the resistance. A good WTF ending either comes as a jaw-dropping surprise or throws everything that has gone before on its head but this is more one that leaves you with a dissatisfied feeling of wanting to know more about what is going on.
Tuesday, March 29, 2016 7:06 PM
Quote:Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY: Quote:Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN: Quote:Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY: Quote:Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN: Quote:Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY: For instance, someone might mention Mary Elizabeth's other movies, but may not do so for Jennifer Lawrence, a more well-known actor. SGG This strikes me as a narrow point of view. All of the Mary Elizabeth films I mentioned above are 2011 or prior, and few would argue that Jennifer Lawrence was as well known prior to 2012 with the release of Hunger Games. Jennifer Lawrence (finally freed of having to play a perpetual teenager in the Hunger Games series) stars as Joy, In the above review, the writer mentions the Hunger Games, but the context is providing a juxtaposition to the film being reviewed. The Hunger Games is YA movie and Joy is more of an adult movie who's character, may or may not, provide a more sophisticated POV. A more complex portrayal. SGG I guess the "reviewer" may have not noticed such portrayals in films like American Hustle or Silver Linings Playbook, not like she won any MAJOR AWARDS for her work in those. For providing examples of your counterpoint, you are kinda dragging, dude. It seems JLaw is not a well-known actor to this reviewer. Did you actually read the review? His context? His POV? It is exactly the example I referred to. Joy, American Hustle were rather weak entries. She was good, but the films themselves were weak. Not so with Silver Linings Playbook. True, no awards, but solid acting (although I was not impressed with the diner scene so much). SGG
Thursday, March 31, 2016 6:03 PM
Quote:Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN: I was mistaken earlier - I had thought Cloverfield was a different film, but the actual film with Odette Yustman I did see. The biggest advantage the viewer will have by having seen this first installation is an idea of the direction of the next one, the common theme. Quote:Originally posted by second: Quote:Originally posted by Wishimay: I'd like to know the end of the story, but I won't see it in theater. The review at http://moria.co.nz/sciencefiction/10-cloverfield-lane-2016.htm says, in part: A point of comparison might by Xavier Gens’s The Divide (2011), a brutally harrowing story that had a group of people imprisoned in a cellar after the advent of a nuclear war. That was a film that pushed as far as it could go and scoured the depths of the human condition. By contrast, 10 Cloverfield Lane seems far tamer. Dan Trachtenberg generates a reasonable level of tension but Mary Elizabeth Winstead’s feeling of imprisonment, of just how much we feel we should not trust John Goodman never seems to hang on a knife-edge (although there is at least one good shock three-quarters of the way through the film). And then there is the ending. Many audiences called it a WTF ending but I have seen too many similar things done in recent years. {PLOT SPOILERS}. Select to view spoiler: We get alien ships of ill-explained purpose, there is a moderately upbeat finale where Mary Elizabeth Winstead destroys one of the ships and then sets off to join the resistance. A good WTF ending either comes as a jaw-dropping surprise or throws everything that has gone before on its head but this is more one that leaves you with a dissatisfied feeling of wanting to know more about what is going on.
Friday, April 1, 2016 5:24 PM
Quote:Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN: Select to view spoiler: I don't have an answer for this. He says that he saw the attack flash, and was driving recklessly. If this is true, it argues he is telling the truth about the reason they are in the bunker. But if true, why did she not see the flash as well, prior to the accident? If his account is not true, the flash did not occur prior to the abduction, so how to explain the ending? Mere coincidence? The mother of all coincidence? The other coincidence is the possibility that the bunker was completed enough just in time for such a major event. I did not consider the ending to be Whiskey Tango Foxtrot, but the paradox I just mentioned has me puzzled for the moment.
Wednesday, April 6, 2016 6:32 PM
Sunday, April 10, 2016 3:38 PM
Quote:Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN: SPOILER ALERT This question was already posted above, but I don't see a response. For anybody who has not seen the film, don't bother, the question won't even make sense. For those who have seen the film, do you have any ideas? Did you notice it while viewing? Did it seem inconsistent? Quote:Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN: Select to view spoiler: I don't have an answer for this. He says that he saw the attack flash, and was driving recklessly. If this is true, it argues he is telling the truth about the reason they are in the bunker. But if true, why did she not see the flash as well, prior to the accident? If his account is not true, the flash did not occur prior to the abduction, so how to explain the ending? Mere coincidence? The mother of all coincidence? The other coincidence is the possibility that the bunker was completed enough just in time for such a major event. I did not consider the ending to be Whiskey Tango Foxtrot, but the paradox I just mentioned has me puzzled for the moment.
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